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condyk
26th of April 2005 (Tue), 12:49
OK, my 50-500mm Bigma and 70-200mm F2.8 finally arrived today, so after three big fat blokes helped me carry them both through the door (yes, they are quite substantial!) I unpacked them half expecting to see quite a bit of wear and tear. But no, both are absolutely MINT, even better than the seller had described them and boxed with tripod rings, hoods, caps, manual, the lot. King sized bargains from a fellow forum member :D

Things are looking good already and I look out the window and even the weather is improving. MAYBE if I'm a good boy we'll see some sun in the afternoon. Drizzling at the moment ...

... twiddle thumbs, more twiddling, twiddle again ... and then the clouds start to clear and I'm off to Longleat Safari Park in Wiltshire! Not exactly the Etosha Pan but at least there is something worth a look there!

Pay the required entry and within 30 seconds of handing the cash over I feel a first spit of rain on my arm. Quick check to make sure it's not the Baboons mating on the car roof. It's not! So, the next hour and a half we have rain, stops, rain, stops, rain, stops .... Grrrr. In between the rain and the areas where you can't open the car window it's a bit frustrating, but manage to grab a few shots of the animals I am interested in.

Both lenses work beautifully. The HSM motors are smooth and fast, no hunting around and very easy to operate manual focus too. No stiffness at all. Build quality is hefty to say the least: a bit more rugged than my previous Canon 70-200 F4 L and with a very good overall feel of quality. 70-200 F2.8 amazingly fast focusing, maybe a tiny, tiny tad slower than my old Canon 70-200 F4 ... splitting hairs tho'. Nothing in it at all. Is a touch noisier for sure, but again nothing I would be concerned about myself.

I can feel the shake when hand holding: the 50-500 is heavy, but a couple of shots taken with the lens rested on the car door give plenty of reason for optimism. I need to get a beanbag tho'.

So, I have uploaded the first two 50-500mm shots I've processed and the original straight from the camera JPG's:

http://www.buzzdns.com/lion1.jpg (cropped and reduced to ease loading)
http://www.buzzdns.com/lion2.jpg (100% crop of head/whiskers detail)
http://www.buzzdns.com/IMG_0342.jpg (100%, straight from the camera 3.3MB)

The 100% crop gives an idea of sharpness potential. I'd maybe give it 8/10 sharp, as a hand held shot, and I think I can get sharper when the lens is properly supported and I'm not confined to shooting through the car and out the pasenger window. Colour nice and rich with good contrast. No real processing needed in PS, just a tiny bit of contrast. Done on my laptop so may need more work when I check them on my proper monitor.

Very happy with my purchases ... the 50-500mm is definately much more usable for wildlife work than the 400mm L prime I was saving for. Framing shots is so much easier and very smooth and fast. Enjoyed it so much that I forgot to play with the 70-200mm. :lol: :lol:

mrclark321
26th of April 2005 (Tue), 13:11
Very nice shots...

Niall
26th of April 2005 (Tue), 16:30
My god that's some clear shooting there. Wish I could afford that lens :( I'm getting a Sigma 12-24 tomorrow and that's pushing my budget :D


Ooo I just found that lens second hand for £450. Shame I need a wide angle lens more :p

blue_max
26th of April 2005 (Tue), 16:33
Nout wrong with them. I think I can see what he had for lunch!

Seeing the shots magnified so much and with such clarity makes getting the pics home like seeing it all again in much better detail.

Brill.

Graham

nitsch
26th of April 2005 (Tue), 16:52
Wow. Very impressive indeed. Thanks for sharing Condyk.

Philh04
27th of April 2005 (Wed), 03:50
Hi Dave,


Nice first shots, glad you are pleased, get that 50-500 stopped down to at least f8 in good light and I think you will get a surprise ;)

The Bigma works really well with a beanbag as it rests well on it and is well balanced.

Looking forward to seeing some more.

All the best

Phil

MAD DOG
17th of May 2005 (Tue), 04:24
Looks promising.
Post a couple more from the 50-500 when you can.

condyk
17th of May 2005 (Tue), 04:45
Sorry Mad Dog, but the Bigma was a beauty but I wanted a 80-400 OS for a walking safari I'm planning at the end of the year and so sold it to Muzz.

Sorry to say the new OS arrived with front focus isses so I got a refund :rolleyes: I would have liked another, but then decided to wait to year end and see what options there are then.

Meanwhile, just got the Sigma 100-300mm F4 and 1.4 TCon, which is a super fast and sharp, somewhat lighter lens, even with the Tcon!

Had I known the OS problems I'd have happily kept the Bigma ... a superb bang per buck lens, but maybe Muzz will post a few once he's built his muscles enough to lift it ;-) NAh, not that heavy really. I even used it as a walk around one day. Here's just a couple of images I took .. hand held again with one of them 100% crop to show details! Little post processing needed. Highly attractive lens and recommended 110%

Muzz
17th of May 2005 (Tue), 05:17
maybe Muzz will post a few once he's built his muscles enough to lift it ;-) NAh, not that heavy really.

I just need to do as you said and eat some/more porridge ;)

And going on a little trip of my own tommorow with the Bigma so stay tuned i guess.

Thanks again Dave.

MazerRakhm
17th of May 2005 (Tue), 07:37
Looks great! I've heard some good things about the Bigma here, if I didn't have my sights set for an L I'd probably try and pick one up!

UK_Terry
17th of May 2005 (Tue), 10:17
Had I known the OS problems I'd have happily kept the Bigma ...

what were the problems?

condyk
17th of May 2005 (Tue), 10:50
As I mentioned, it had front focus issues ... not a single shot from 120+ taken where in focus, most focused a few inches in front of the actual focus point. A nice lens potentially, but not my copy. Just bad luck. I may try another at the end of this year.

UK_Terry
18th of May 2005 (Wed), 09:27
I see you are useing a Tokina 20-35mm f2.8 AT-X AF Pro

i was looking at their 80 - 400

are you happy with the quality of the Tokina?

condyk
18th of May 2005 (Wed), 10:31
Yes, the Tokina is great ... it's pricey new, £400-500, but as a second hand option it is superb. Built like a tank, nice and crisp to use and with image quality as good as anything else wide-ish I've seen. Never been much of a wide shooter, but I saw the benefits immediately I puit it on.

Andrew Pratt
18th of May 2005 (Wed), 10:50
Terry I just got a Tokina 80-400 that I bought used from a member here. It only arrived this morning so I haven't even seen it yet but I plan on giving it a good test as soon as I got home from work. These (http://www.pbase.com/mrlabs/birds&page=all) images were all taken with that lens.

UK_Terry
18th of May 2005 (Wed), 15:30
Terry I just got a Tokina 80-400 that I bought used from a member here. It only arrived this morning so I haven't even seen it yet but I plan on giving it a good test as soon as I got home from work. These (http://www.pbase.com/mrlabs/birds&page=all) images were all taken with that lens.

Fantastic shots (i take it they are from the previous owner)
please post some of yours soon.

and give a review on your thoughts on the ease of use of the lens. (weight etc)

Medic1
18th of May 2005 (Wed), 17:01
very nice.....

Andrew Pratt
18th of May 2005 (Wed), 20:50
Here's a few samples of the Tokina lens that I was playing with briefly tonight. These are just resampled down to 800 * 600 so there's been no USM applied or any other edits to improve the image etc. I didn't have a lot of time and all were hand held in AV mode for the most part (a few in sports for the servo when my daughter was running around).

http://www.pbase.com/apratt/tokina_test

As for the lens itself its built MUCH better then the Canon 75-300 USM that I traded on this Tokina. The Tokina is all metal for one, has a nice smooth tripod mount, comes with a hood and seems very sturdy. It is heavy compared to the 75-300 and i've really only played with it for a brief moment but so far I don't think the weight's going to be an issue for me...it might be for my wife though. It did hunt for the focus lock several times going pretty much from macro to full zoom and back but most of the time it was fine. It takes 72mm filters so its big and will hopefully gather more light then the smaller Canon which should help I'd imagine. One thing that I'm not fond of so far is that the zoom ring is too narrow esp with the tripod mount being so close...I'd have prefered it to be a wider grip but I suppose I'll adjust my grip and get used to it. If the weather co-operates I'll take it to work tomorrow and shoot some birds etc at lunch time.

UK_Terry
19th of May 2005 (Thu), 12:00
Looks good, i look forward to more postings.
i think you have sold me on the lens..i now have to try and find a good 2nd hand one.

Andrew Pratt
19th of May 2005 (Thu), 12:30
Here's a slightly sharpened crop of one of the photo's I shot at lunch time.

UK_Terry
20th of May 2005 (Fri), 11:51
great shot andrew, i will definately be looking for one.

by the way what is a Canon ESO ???

a typo i think

Andrew Pratt
20th of May 2005 (Fri), 12:20
Yes a typo :o Here's two more that I took at lunch. As nice as this seems to be I'm thinking that I might need more reach to get some of the shots I am faced with.

condyk
20th of May 2005 (Fri), 12:55
As this is a Bigma thread ... it might be worth opening a new thread asking for input on the Tokina rather than running a thread within a thread.

I have to say none of the images shown here taken by the Tokina, nor those linked to off forum, are at all of the standard of a typical Bigma shot, in terms of 'life', colour, constrast or sharpness. If you're after good quality then the Bigma has the best bang per buck of any lens going in my view, other than the 50mm II Canon.

The Tokina seems to produce shots similar quality to something like a Sigma 70-300 APO at the long end. Maybe you should check out that lens and the 100-300mm USM Canon if you're on a tighter budget.