24-70 L Mk II (a Stealthy Prophecy)

[Stealthy Ninja]

I am going on record as saying I am predicting the 24-70 2.8L Mkii (or very similar replacement) will be released/announced some time in the next few months.

The current lens is very difficult to find in Hong Kong, which usually indicates production has stopped in Japan.

Canon Hong Kong said to wait 2-3 months for it (the "current version") to be "in stock" again.

Remember, I was right about the 5D mkii ;)

[Trainboy]

Any other predictions that would make me perk up?
I was just looking at the prospects of renting this lens for certain occasions...

[Stealthy Ninja]

I suspect the 70-200 2.8L IS is going to be replaced... because I'm going to buy it soon... :lol:

I'd say the 70-200 2.8L IS is due for an update, but there are plenty of these in stock, so I guess they're still in production.

I think the 70-200 will be replaced after the 24-70 (next year is my prediction).

[darosk]

It will be - significant.

[timnosenzo]

I am going on record as saying I am predicting the 24-70 2.8L Mkii (or very similar replacement) will be released/announced some time in the next few months.

That would be nice, it could certainly use a refresh.

[lukeap69]

good ninja.

i will be holding my purchase for this one and will wait for your prophecy to come true.

remember, only a ninja knows the way of a ninja :)

[Gunter]

Can't get them in Australia either. Been trying to get a new one for 3 months.

[davewolfs]

Well they are available in the US, rumor is Canon is allocating stock to America because Obama keeps giving out free money. Even lower income households can afford a 5D Mark II now.

[lddw]

And what about the 135L because i don't find it awaible in stores in swizerland and in amazon.com ?

[Erik S. Klein]

I am going on record as saying I am predicting the 24-70 2.8L Mkii (or very similar replacement) will be released/announced some time in the next few months.

That'd be cool.


The current lens is very difficult to find in Hong Kong, which usually indicates production has stopped in Japan.

So what about the 24-105? I can't find those anywhere. . . ;)

[j00sten]

Man, I just got one of these. I should check in w/ the ninja more often before I make purchases.

[S.Horton]

I do not see anything wrong with the 24-70 as it is!

What could they do to it?

IS?

[drisley]

I do not see anything wrong with the 24-70 as it is!

What could they do to it?

IS?
Yeah that's about it... IS. I guess any lens could be made sharper with less CA etc, but the 24-70L is already very good in those areas, even wide open (http://www.mts.net/~lftbrain/24_70_28_02.jpg).

As for the 70-200/2.8IS, I don't know what they could update really. It's already very sharp wide open (http://www.mts.net/%7Elftbrain/6K2J9838-2.jpg), it's optimized for full frame already (unlike the Nikon version), IS is very good, and it's weather sealed. I guess they could put in the latest IS that the 24-105 has, to give it an extra 1 stop, but otherwise I can't think of anything to change (maybe quality control improvement on the lens?)

[S.Horton]

I think the only reason to update the Ls is to prepare for the next generation of sensors which could out-resolve them.

[Stealthy Ninja]

That'd be cool.



So what about the 24-105? I can't find those anywhere. . . ;)

That's because they're all being put in 5Dmkii kits.

Also, they are freely available in Hong Kong... which is closer to Japan, so by my logic (ninjas have been known to defy all logic at times... and the laws of physics, but that's another story) it won't be replaced soon.

[NeoTokyo]

Thanks SN, a new 24-70mm with IS and other features would probably make me buy one :) Dot get me wrong, I like my 24-105mm but an extra stop would be awesome :P

Bring it on! " The Brick Mark II "

davewolfs: That's not funny in any way, in fact its the damn multimillion dollar corps that helped put us in this mess are the ones that got the bailout, not the "Low Income" working family.

And why should it be a joke that a lower income family could afford a 5DII now? If a paperboy can save his meager earnings to buy a car then why cant a hard working lower class family or individual do the same?

I just wrote a lot more probably enough to stretch into a page. #2 but I dont want to eat up SN's thread with my feelings any more than I have already.

-Eric-

[darosk]

If they're putting out a new brick with IS I'm getting one - not even a question.

[Ovany]

Just looking to buy one, I ill keep my eyes peeled for an update before I hand over my hard earned cash.

[Tom W]

I do not see anything wrong with the 24-70 as it is!

What could they do to it?

IS?

I'm quite fond of mine, though there has been talk about there being some "less-than-stellar" copies around. I would think that Canon would probably develop one with IS and with perhaps some tweaked optical formula to gain consistency.

It's pretty hard to beat a good copy of the present version now - for a zoom, it offers low distortion, low flare, and good general sharpness even wide open. Bokeh is decent as well. Plus a hood that actually gives good coverage across the zoom range.

[drisley]

Bokeh is decent as well.

That's one area I LOVE this lens... the bokeh is better than any zoom I've ever seen... better than most primes, but a hair behind good L primes.

As far as the hood goes, I think the design is ingenious (Nikon even copied Canon with their new lens). I've never had flare problems with the current hood, on 1.3x crop. Does it not cover properly on a FF camera?

[Stealthy Ninja]

I think the fact that the 24-70 HSM from Sigma "beats" the L would make Canon work hard to "beat" the Sigma. ;)

[The Fox]

I think we should all put bets down on Stealthy Ninja for his predicting skills.
Nick

[GMCPhotographics]

Yes the new Sigma 24-70 EX HSM beats the current Canon 24-70L optically...but can it focus as well? I've owned a lot of Sigma glass over the years and most of them can't focus as fast or as accuarately as Canon's finest. Then there's the matter of flare control, which in my opionion, Sigma still haven't cracked. Plus their hoods are generally rubbish compared to Canon's...which is probably why they are free.
The older non HSM 24-70 was slightly superior to the Canon L lens too, which brings me to my next point: If I shoot 2 images side by side, one from the Canon and one from the Sigma...will anyone notice that the Sigma is slightly better optically? I doubt it, because the Canon isn't that far behind. Which is quite admirable considering that it is the original 24-70/2.8 lens and therefore the oldest.

[Tom W]

That's one area I LOVE this lens... the bokeh is better than any zoom I've ever seen... better than most primes, but a hair behind good L primes.

As far as the hood goes, I think the design is ingenious (Nikon even copied Canon with their new lens). I've never had flare problems with the current hood, on 1.3x crop. Does it not cover properly on a FF camera?

The hood works well on full frame, for which the lens was designed. Comparisons I've seen show less light falloff at f/2.8 and 24 mm than the 24-105 has at f/4 and 24 mm (both wide open).

[drisley]

Doh, oh yes, right, on FF, the hood is great, I guess problems may arise on a 1.6x crop.

As far as the Sigma is concerned... how new is this lens? My friend and I did a comparison of his new Sigma 24-70 last year and compared to my 24-70L and the Canon beat it in every single category . He thought his Sigma was a great lens, but after this day of shooting, he sold it soon after and got a Canon.

[KenjiS]

I think the only reason to update the Ls is to prepare for the next generation of sensors which could out-resolve them.

Well actually the current sensors can give most of these lenses a run for the money..Theres very few of the non-primes that can keep up with the 5D Mk2 and the 50D...

The 24-70 is one that struggles a little....the 70-200 f/2.8 IS is another sadly..

[mikekelley]

I question this- seeing as how the 24-70 I bought two weeks ago has a UX05 - May 2009 - date code.

[Stealthy Ninja]

I question this- seeing as how the 24-70 I bought two weeks ago has a UX05 - May 2009 - date code.

:shock:

I guess you call that an extended warranty. ;)

[jdizzle]

I love my 24-70 L and I could definitely see myself getting an updated version of this lens. If your prediction is right SN, I'll ask you to buy me one. :)

[Stealthy Ninja]

I've seen you're knife fighting videos.... lucky I'm all the way over here. ;)

[kandyredcoi]

someone wanna buy my Mark1...lol

i mean i dont think IS is necessary, but if it comes out with it, im pretty sure it would be pretty bada$$

it wouldnt be the "Brick" anymore, esp with a 3stop IS, it can be renamed "Cinder Block"

hahahaha

thanx for the heads up SN!

[roli_bark]

I wish that a Mark-II version will have:
1. A better (consistent) QA
2. IS

[Stealthy Ninja]

Just want everyone to know... this is a prediction (not set in stone) based on observations.

Don't sell your 24-70Ls right now. ;)

One of these days I'll go chat to the dude at Canon. He's usually good for some "hints" on these things.

My guess is that there are people out there (under Non-disclosure agreements) that know about the up and coming lenses.

How Canon keeps them quiet I don't know?! Must be one heck of a piece of paper!

[nuffi]

Do that, SN. I ordered a bunch of stuff from Canon in March. I am still waiting on half of it. My 24-70L arrived within about 4 days.

Since that time, my store mentioned that they've now got about 5 backorders. ATM I am queitly cheering to myself cause it has hardly left the front of my camera, but I will be a teeny tiny trifling bit sad if they all get a new mark II version.

[Stealthy Ninja]

I'm currently saving to get a 70-200 2.8L IS and a 16-35 2.8 mkii

I'm hesitant to get the 70-200 because I have a sneaking suspicion that a replacement for that lens will be announced around August. Though, that lens is pretty easy to get here, so maybe not.

Some time this week I might go to work via TST (that's where the Canon centre is in Hong Kong). I'll see if the nice guy is there and I'll have a little chat with him.

[Stealthy Ninja]

Seems this thread is spreading around a bit:
http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/Canon_new_lenses.html

For me, this is a hard time to buy a new lens. I just wish Canon would announce its new lenses sooner... but then, you don't want to have to wait another 6 months for the lens to finally get in stock. ;)

Especially since Canon have sort of out resolved a lot of its current L lenses (with the 5Dmkii) and there are some holes in their lineup in a way.

I think the following lenses will be announced soonish to go with the 1D mk4 release.

14-24 2.8L (Canon's answer to the Nikon 14-24... because Canon can't have people buying a Nikon lens to put on their cameras ;) ).
24-70 2.8L (I suspect the 1Ds4 will well out resolve this lens and it seems like a nice "kit" lens for it).
70-200 2.8L IS (a lot of people say the f/4 IS version is better... which is true in that it's sharper and has better IS)
100-400 IS (though this has improved lately - in terms of QQ - it is due for an update in many people's opinion).

That's it I think.... probably some lower end lenses too, maybe some new EF-S lenses, but I'm not too interested in that. ;)

[kandyredcoi]

oh wow i would totally dig a new 70-200-2.8IS and the 14-24!

[lukeap69]

Seems this thread is spreading around a bit:
http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/Canon_new_lenses.html

For me, this is a hard time to buy a new lens. I just wish Canon would announce its new lenses sooner... but then, you don't want to have to wait another 6 months for the lens to finally get in stock. ;)

Especially since Canon have sort of out resolved a lot of its current L lenses (with the 5Dmkii) and there are some holes in their lineup in a way.

I think the following lenses will be announced soonish to go with the 1D mk4 release.

14-24 2.8L (Canon's answer to the Nikon 14-24... because Canon can't have people buying a Nikon lens to put on their cameras ;) ).
24-70 2.8L (I suspect the 1Ds4 will well out resolve this lens and it seems like a nice "kit" lens for it).
70-200 2.8L IS (a lot of people say the f/4 IS version is better... which is true in that it's sharper and has better IS)
100-400 IS (though this has improved lately - in terms of QQ - it is due for an update in many people's opinion).

That's it I think.... probably some lower end lenses too, maybe some new EF-S lenses, but I'm not too interested in that. ;)

what?? no 200-400 f/4L IS?

[kandyredcoi]

what?? no 200-400 f/4L IS?

should be a 200-600 f4 L IS

but i figured the price would jump a lot from the current 100-400

[tgara]

Personally, I'm waiting for the 10-1000 f/1.0 DO IS USM.

[k_wakasugi]

And a flatbed truck to carry it with?

[Tom W]

How Canon keeps them quiet I don't know?!

Canon has a Ninja staff as well....

[Stealthy Ninja]

Personally, I'm waiting for the 10-1000 f/1.0 DO IS USM.

LOL good luck with that. Better invest in cryogenics. ;)

[KenjiS]

I wonder if there will ever be another DO lens?

I mean from what i understand, the large disadvantage is poor contrast, which is easily fixed in digital post process

[Karl Johnston]

Canon has a Ninja staff as well....
Duh! They're ....japanese...or chinese...I think

[Stealthy Ninja]

http://www.canonrumors.com/2009/06/t1i2000d-announcement-next-tuesday-cr2/

OK... according to that, next week some time Canon will announce the 2000D... if so, I suspect we have a 50D situation on our hands....

The 50D was released last year (sort of surprisingly) with little fanfare. People were pretty surprised at this approach. BUT it turned out that Canon was just trying to keep the focus on the BIG thing that was coming (remember examining the MOON?! :rolleyes: ).

I guess something big is coming around the corner. :D Hopefully not just the 60D ;)

[kandyredcoi]

^forgive my ignorance but what is a t1/2000d?

and is there any more news about the "new" 24-70?

[Stealthy Ninja]

You've never heard of the 1000D?!

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos1000d/

It's like a cheaper 450D!

The 2000D will be the next version.

I have no news on the 24-70. Here in Hong Kong the kindergartens and primary schools had to close earlier because of H1N1 (swine flu) so I need to look after my kids in the morning and work in the evening. :)

Soon as I have time, I'll duck into the Canon showroom and talk to the dudes... see what info I can gleam from them.

[kandyredcoi]

You've never heard of the 1000D?!

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos1000d/

It's like a cheaper 450D!

The 2000D will be the next version.

I have no news on the 24-70. Here in Hong Kong the kindergartens and primary schools had to close earlier because of H1N1 (swine flu) so I need to look after my kids in the morning and work in the evening. :)

Soon as I have time, I'll duck into the Canon showroom and talk to the dudes... see what info I can gleam from them.

oh i used to have the 1000D aka as the rebel XS duh...

and yes please get more 411 on the 24-70

stay safe out there that H1N1 is a b*&^h

[Stealthy Ninja]

Honestly the H1N1 is like nothing... I went through SARS in Hong Kong. That was way worse.


The government is just being overly cautious.

I'll give any information I can find here when I get it. :)

[Alexei TND]

AM i the only one who would liek this lens with IS?
who said is is only good at the tele end,
considering theoretically you could handhold 1/30th or so at 24 mm, 4 stop is would give you 1/3rd.(ish)

personally id love it :D

[Stealthy Ninja]

In theory. So long as nothing moved during that time. ;)

[Alexei TND]

I have extremely shaky hands ( drink too much caffeine probably) and mainly use wide angles for landscapes and evening shots, so for me a 24-70 f2.8 IS USM L would be magic

[j00sten]

I wonder if they are really updating this lens. I just received my copy last week, and I noticed the date code is UX05, meaning it was mfg in May. Why would they continue to mfg. this lens if they intend to update it?

[KenjiS]

I wonder if they are really updating this lens. I just received my copy last week, and I noticed the date code is UX05, meaning it was mfg in May. Why would they continue to mfg. this lens if they intend to update it?

Could be the last batch they made just to fill orders for the next few months

Keep in mind that if they replace it, it will likely be months before its in stock anywhere

Ie, if its announced next month, I doubt we'll see any in stores till xmas, and it will likely have a few hundred dollar price increase..

[Stealthy Ninja]

More rumours surfacing:
http://www.canonrumors.com/2009/06/ef-24-70-f2-8l-is-cr1/

[NeoTokyo]

I cant wait till something REAL pops up :D

[kandyredcoi]

ok peeps, went to a big filipino event today, had a chance to cover it for a friends newspaper and guess what i saw?

YES its coming 24-70L IS was mounted and was already snapping...didnt get a chance to really talk to the guy, just that he confirmed that what he had was a 24-70L IS

i was stunned when i saw it

it basically looks the same as the current brick, but that it has the IS switch under the AF/MF switch

and i dont know but it also looks a bit slimmer

the zoom is still external meaning the lens still extends out of the lens body

i wish i had more time to look and ask questions, but i ha a feeling it was a hush hush thing and of course i couldnt take pics of it either

i really need to sell my 24-70L non-IS

[Stealthy Ninja]

WOW! That's amazing news dude.

Stealthy is right again. ;)

Any 70-200 2.8L IS mkIIs around?

[Stealthy Ninja]

Northern Lights dude is watching this thread.

http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/Canon_new_lenses.html ;)

Hey there Keith. :)

[mikekelley]

lol so is my brand new 24-70 value going to tank now? thx canon!

[kandyredcoi]

WOW! That's amazing news dude.

Stealthy is right again. ;)

Any 70-200 2.8L IS mkIIs around?

nope was not looking for that, just got lucky cus the dude with the 24-70IS stood right next to me next to the stage and i glanced over at his gear and saw it

i hope im not trippin'

[Trainboy]

You be trippin' balls
I might have to get one of those...

[kandyredcoi]

the balls or the lens? :D

[j00sten]

Man, just when I picked up the 24-70 this shows up. And my next lens WAS going to be the 70-200 2.8 IS (trend maybe? lol). As soon as the new IS version comes out, The market will be flooded w/ older MkI's, including mine.

[Kryptix]

So come on then guys, price predictions? I'm in the UK (GBP). What do we reckon, about £1,200 on Amazon?

[S.Horton]

More rumours surfacing:
http://www.canonrumors.com/2009/06/ef-24-70-f2-8l-is-cr1/

That's because those people picked up on YOUR thread.

I just don't see the need for IS at that focal length.

So, here's my prediction: Sure, they'll update it, bump the price about 50%, and it won't be as sharp, in general.

:cool:

[maxblack]

Actually, they are discontinuing it because of it's terrible contrast,
lousy image quality, didn't focus close enough and it was too light.















...yeah right. :p

[yuriyo923]

The price on the original 5D did not tank when the MK2 came out, so the originals 24-70 should hold it's value for a while...

[kandyredcoi]

That's because those people picked up on YOUR thread.

I just don't see the need for IS at that focal length.
no need, but if it was released it will sell like hot cakes, its for the added security esp in low light conditions
So, here's my prediction: Sure, they'll update it, bump the price about 50%, and it won't be as sharp, in general.
a lot of the current bricks arent too sharp to begin with anyway, or so i heard, i know my needed a tune, but its all good now!
:cool:

we will just have to wait and see, and actually try it out once it gets released :D

[drisley]

Yeah, L's often hold their value for years, regardless if they are discontinued or not. In fact, some GAIN value... especially if the new lens isn't optically as good as the old one.

[Gibbo]

So come on then guys, price predictions? I'm in the UK (GBP). What do we reckon, about £1,200 on Amazon?

Considering the 24-70 is £1109 right now in Jessops, i predict it will go for a bit more than 1,200.

I'll guess £1,300 at least. Lenses are far too expensive now here in the UK, it's ridiculous how bad the £ is at the moment.

[S.Horton]

LOL -- After a while, I realized that with lenses there is a "sharp enough" threshold and, after that, it just doesn't matter 99.9% of the time.

[Stealthy Ninja]

Photoshopped photo below, don't get too excited...

nope was not looking for that, just got lucky cus the dude with the 24-70IS stood right next to me next to the stage and i glanced over at his gear and saw it

i hope im not trippin'

Did you actually see 24-70mm and NOT 24-105mm on it?! ;)

What I mean... it looked like the pic below, right?!

This:

[S.Horton]

^^ Just a side bet -- That photo will end up on the canon rumors page....

[Stealthy Ninja]

^^LOL that's what I was thinking. Will half the people saying it's fake the other half saying it looks real to them. LOL.

It's not a perfect photoshop work, the IS isn't leaning slightly to the right (EDIT: it is now ;) ). But hey, I'm not getting paid by Canon here. (or AM I?!) :lol:

[kandyredcoi]

Photoshopped photo below, don't get too excited...



Did you actually see 24-70mm and NOT 24-105mm on it?! ;)

What I mean... it looked like the pic below, right?!

This:

well i have a 24-70L now, my eyes cant be that bad can it? :D

[Jim G]

I think that this lens will sell like hotcakes... and that it's a pretty logical step for Canon. It'd neatly one-up Nikon's newer 24-70 2.8.

If you picked the 5D II and pick 24-70L IS accurately.... well... with great power comes great responsibility... ;)


Going off what was said about the 24-70L when it replaced the 28-70L (see commentary on Luminous Landscape and whatnot)... if I recall correctly one of the main reasons for the new lens then was the 1ds II and its sensor resolution. Seems to make sense that with another couple of generations comes another mainstay lens upgrade to keep up.

[Stealthy Ninja]

well i have a 24-70L now, my eyes cant be that bad can it? :D

I wonder why the dude had one... must be one of the testers. If he had it at an event he must trust it enough to use it for 'real'.

Hope Canon confirm this soon. :D

Not that I'm in the market for one right now, but I just hope I'm right. :)

I actually want a 70-200 2.8L IS mark II a lot more than the 24-70 IS, but I can see why Canon might bring this one (the 24-70 IS) out first as it would sell, sell, sell.

It might be a "kit lens" with the 1DmkIV. ;)

[kandyredcoi]

I wonder why the dude had one... must be one of the testers. If he had it at an event he must trust it enough to use it for 'real'.
well it needs to be tested in the "real world"

Hope Canon confirm this soon. :D
i do too

Not that I'm in the market for one right now, but I just hope I'm right. :)

I actually want a 70-200 2.8L IS mark II a lot more than the 24-70 IS, but I can see why Canon might bring this one (the 24-70 IS) out first as it would sell, sell, sell.
yes i like the 24-70L as it is now, i dont need an IS version, at least not before i get a long lens which i also wouldnt mind a 70-200 2.8IS mk2
It might be a "kit lens" with the 1DmkIV. ;)
that would make it super baller


c'mon cannon make the announcement already

[Stealthy Ninja]

I wonder why the dude had one... must be one of the testers. If he had it at an event he must trust it enough to use it for 'real'.
well it needs to be tested in the "real world"


True, but if I were being paid to cover an event I would use a prototype lens... unless the cheque were coming from CANON, then I understand. :)

Hope Canon confirm this soon.
i do too


They might as well... I'm sure the people at DP review etc. know about it, but can't break their NDA.

Not that I'm in the market for one right now, but I just hope I'm right.

I actually want a 70-200 2.8L IS mark II a lot more than the 24-70 IS, but I can see why Canon might bring this one (the 24-70 IS) out first as it would sell, sell, sell.

yes i like the 24-70L as it is now, but i dont need an IS version, at least not before i get a long lens which i also wuldnt mind a 70-200 2.8IS mk2

True, I need a 70-200 2.8L IS (yes need) but not right now, I will buy one as soon as a gig comes up that needs it... with a bit of luck a mark II version will be out by then (I can get away with the 200 2.8L for now I think).

It might be a "kit lens" with the 1DmkIV.

that would make it super baller

I assume that's a good thing ;)

Go Canon, GO!

[angryhampster]

The price on the original 5D did not tank when the MK2 came out, so the originals 24-70 should hold it's value for a while...



The 5D's price has dropped about 25% since the introduction of the mkII.

[showtm490]

hmmm i think i'll hold off on my 24-70 purchase a bit longer now.

[travinh]

Me too.

hmmm i think i'll hold off on my 24-70 purchase a bit longer now.

[hungt23]

Darn, I just ordered mine (the non-IS one). Still not in hand yet.

[yuriyo923]

Once the new mk2 version comes out, I suspect it will be out of reach of alot of people who would love to have one, making the original 24-70 more apealing :)

[DarthVader]

If the current 24-70 is already that expensive and heavy, what would be the price and weight with the IS ?. Sounds impossible to me.

[Tom W]

Price will be a little higher, weight a little less.

[Stealthy Ninja]

It will have a new coating. ;)

[Tom W]

It will have a new coating. ;)

Yep. And a new optical formula. Consider the 16-35 Mk II vs the original. An improved lens overall IMHO (and I've had both). Throw in IS. If they do for the 24-70 what they did for the 24/1.4, the 24 tilt-shift, or the 16-35L, then it will be a significant improvement.

If it's optically better (and if it even exists, which I think it does), then I will sell my original 24-70 for the new version.

[Stealthy Ninja]

All the new lenses "possibly" coming out are making people quite hesitant to buy a new lens now.

If I were Canon, I'd announce the new lenses sooner rather than later and get them out...

BUT if they did it too soon before being able to release them properly (ie keep the QC standards) there would be too large a gap where people wouldn't buy them... so I guess Canon have their reasons for secrecy (to keep people buying up current stock).

Personally, I want to but the following lenses:
16-35 mkii
24-70 IS (or Mkii if it comes out that way)
70-200 2.8L IS (mark 2??)

The only one I feel confident to buy is the 16-35 mkii. Since I will keep the lenses for many, many years, I can't see the point in not waiting a few months to see if new ones are actually coming out.

So, again I say... HURRY UP CANON! :)

[DarthVader]

What they need is actually 50L II.

[Stealthy Ninja]

50L II... I guess so, a lot of people say the 50 1.4 is better in some ways... and (apparently) the Sigma 50 1.4 beats the 50 1.4... so I think they need to get a new 50L AND a new 50 1.4 :)

[drisley]

50L II... I guess so, a lot of people say the 50 1.4 is better in some ways... and (apparently) the Sigma 50 1.4 beats the 50 1.4... so I think they need to get a new 50L AND a new 50 1.4 :)
This is rather interesting. Telephoto primes from Canon are so sharp and spectacular... yet they have a hard time making a similarly amazing "normal" prime like the 50mm.

[Stealthy Ninja]

This is rather interesting. Telephoto primes from Canon are so sharp and spectacular... yet they have a hard time making a similarly amazing "normal" prime like the 50mm.

LOL yeah, 85mm and above seems OK. :lol:

[Tom W]

This is rather interesting. Telephoto primes from Canon are so sharp and spectacular... yet they have a hard time making a similarly amazing "normal" prime like the 50mm.

I think that they could do very well to just revamp the 50/1.4. The things that they've done at the wide end lately are great (the shots I've seen from the 14/2.8 II, the 17 TSE, and the 24 TSE II are excellent), and I really don't think that they'd have much trouble improving the standard 50. Perhaps the only thing holding them back is that although it's popular here in the forum, the "standard" 50 mm lens isn't as big a seller as the zooms (I'm speculating here). If they aren't selling many, they either have to price the lens high (not good for the regular 50) or they won't spend the money to redesign and retool.

[Thunderbird33]

With the sooo much better high ISO perfomance on the 5D and 5DII and the newer 1D's.....wouldn't paying hundreds extra for IS for an already great lens that is quite handholdable start becoming redundant???

We already spend a fortune for bodies with great high ISO now..

[kandyredcoi]

^every little thing you can gain as a positive esp when you need it is worth it

yes the 24-70 does NOT need it in most cases, but the last event i shot at, most of the photogs were using 24-70L in the dark and would have benefited a lot if it had IS< since mostly everyone was hand holding

[GMCPhotographics]

In the post-high iso era, an IS system is getting less and less usefull. I can use iso 4000 quite happily with my 5DII and still get very usable results. With my old 5D, I wouldn't venture over iso 1250, so that's well over a stop and a half improvement. Sure the IS will help steady a photographer's hand but it won't stabilise the subject and in my experience, if they move then there's motion blur.
I'd hope that this new lens offers an improvement in weight and size, the current unit is an old design and overly heavy. It's rare for Sigma to design an optically superior and lighter product, but they have and quodos to them for showing the way. Optically, the existing lens is good enough, but there's always room for improvement (wide open).

[GrandesComplications]

ok peeps, went to a big filipino event today, had a chance to cover it for a friends newspaper and guess what i saw?

YES its coming 24-70L IS was mounted and was already snapping...didnt get a chance to really talk to the guy, just that he confirmed that what he had was a 24-70L IS

i was stunned when i saw it

it basically looks the same as the current brick, but that it has the IS switch under the AF/MF switch

and i dont know but it also looks a bit slimmer

the zoom is still external meaning the lens still extends out of the lens body

i wish i had more time to look and ask questions, but i ha a feeling it was a hush hush thing and of course i couldnt take pics of it either

i really need to sell my 24-70L non-IS

Canon rumors has a new post on the 24-70 IS and says the lens hood is very different. Did you happen to see this too?

http://www.canonrumors.com/2009/07/odds-ends-7/

[kandyredcoi]

Canon rumors has a new post on the 24-70 IS and says the lens hood is very different. Did you happen to see this too?

http://www.canonrumors.com/2009/07/odds-ends-7/

yes its a lot smaller than the original one

[RovinHoot]

yes its a lot smaller than the original one

This doesn't sound right at all :( It means the hood extends with the lens like the 24-105mm. I actually like the current 24-70 style hood better.

[friz]

IS would be more useful if it would get the people to quit moving. Honestly with the brick on my rebel, camera movement is a non issue because of the sheer mass of the whole mess. I have found that I am much more confident shooting at low Tv but people and animals generaly don't hold still enough to make this useful. I have quite a few pics of sharp stationarry objects next to blurry kids. I think my kids vibrate when they appear to be still.

[Electrical]

This doesn't sound right at all :( It means the hood extends with the lens like the 24-105mm. I actually like the current 24-70 style hood better.

one of the main reasons for me to buy the lens in the first place. i need a big lens hood, looks awesome and i want my stuff to look beautiful. that's why i could never go to nikon, even if their stuff would be 3x as good. nikon gear is so damn f-ugly...

[GMCPhotographics]

I think that they could do very well to just revamp the 50/1.4. The things that they've done at the wide end lately are great (the shots I've seen from the 14/2.8 II, the 17 TSE, and the 24 TSE II are excellent), and I really don't think that they'd have much trouble improving the standard 50. Perhaps the only thing holding them back is that although it's popular here in the forum, the "standard" 50 mm lens isn't as big a seller as the zooms (I'm speculating here). If they aren't selling many, they either have to price the lens high (not good for the regular 50) or they won't spend the money to redesign and retool.

What like a 24IIL? I'm sure that's not a big seller either. Or a 14IIL...I'm sure Canon shift truck loads of those each year (not!), or how about a 24mm TS-e II?

[Tom W]

What like a 24IIL? I'm sure that's not a big seller either. Or a 14IIL...I'm sure Canon shift truck loads of those each year (not!), or how about a 24mm TS-e II?

My point was, those are all expensive lenses (relatively speaking) as is the 50/1.2L. Their high price offsets their relative lack in popularity (relative in comparison to, say, the 18-55 IS zoom or the 70-300 IS). Canon can more easily amortize the cost of R&D when they can command a premium price per unit as they do on an "L" lens. Granted, that price brings superior build quality and such, but it also usually provides Canon with a higher net per lens.

On the other hand, with a "standard" 50 mm lens like Canon's 50/1.4, it may not be worth Canon's cost and effort to redesign the lens if they can't sell it for more than around $350 or so. They'd have to spread the R&D cost over a larger quantity if the per-unit net is too low. And if their sales projections don't show a sufficient quantity of lenses sold in the future, they may not spend the effort to improve that particular product.

[KenjiS]

On the other hand, with a "standard" 50 mm lens like Canon's 50/1.4, it may not be worth Canon's cost and effort to redesign the lens if they can't sell it for more than around $350 or so. They'd have to spread the R&D cost over a larger quantity if the per-unit net is too low. And if their sales projections don't show a sufficient quantity of lenses sold in the future, they may not spend the effort to improve that particular product.

My objection to this is the sales of the new Sigma 30mm and 50mm lenses, They have sold VERY VERY well, I see a lot of photogs using them, if Sigma can develop and sell those lenses for the price [$350 and 500 respectively] Canon should be able to develop and sell at a similar price point...

Heck the new Nikon 35 and 50 have sold fairly well too from my understanding....

I'd pay $500 for a Mk2 50 f/1.4 with quick ring-usm and better optical quality wide open...I think theres many others who would too

[tkbslc]

So are you implying that Canon's current 28, 35 and 50mm lenses are NOT selling well? Because I think they are. It may not be worth a whole redesign to them to gain 5% more sales on those lenses.

I do think a 30 or 35mm f1.8 for APS-C is coming soon, though. :)

[Stealthy Ninja]

So are you implying that Canon's current 28, 35 and 50mm lenses are NOT selling well? Because I think they are. It may not be worth a whole redesign to them to gain 5% more sales on those lenses.

I do think a 30 or 35mm f1.8 for APS-C is coming soon, though. :)

Personally I think it won't be a EF-S lens. I actually think a EF-S prime would be a waste of Canon's time (I know there is a 60mm macro that's EF-S) and would just restrict possible sales (more and more people are getting into FF these days, the 5Dmkii is a pretty popular camera).

If they make a 30 or 35mm EF lens that works well (ie isn't out resolved by) on the 5Dmkii, I'm sure it will be more than good enough for a crop body. ;)

Another arguement for EF-S is that it can be made lighter. However, a 35mm version of the 50 1.4 (you know, the same level of quality) wouldn't be all that heavy at all and anyone complaining about it should really think hard about an Ixus. :lol:

[KenjiS]

Personally I think it won't be a EF-S lens. I actually think a EF-S prime would be a waste of Canon's time (I know there is a 60mm macro that's EF-S) and would just restrict possible sales (more and more people are getting into FF these days, the 5Dmkii is a pretty popular camera).

If they make a 30 or 35mm EF lens that works well (ie isn't out resolved by) on the 5Dmkii, I'm sure it will be more than good enough for a crop body. ;)

Another arguement for EF-S is that it can be made lighter. However, a 35mm version of the 50 1.4 (you know, the same level of quality) wouldn't be all that heavy at all and anyone complaining about it should really think hard about an Ixus. :lol:

I think unless you have a disability or say, a 300 f/2.8 you have no reason to complain about the size/weight of a DSLR...

[Stealthy Ninja]

Personally I have THIS (http://www.gearfuse.com/wp-content/uploads/andrew/4_mar07/sigma200500mm_big_1.jpg) lens as a walk about.

;)

[Karl Johnston]

Northern Lights dude is watching this thread.

http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/Canon_new_lenses.html ;)

Hey there Keith. :)
I thought you were talking about me for a minute...I was also watching this thread.

That'd be some serious ninja skills if you could tell that.

[Stealthy Ninja]

I thought you were talking about me for a minute...I was also watching this thread.

That'd be some serious ninja skills if you could tell that.

You're the Northern Lights MASTER. ;)

[kandyredcoi]

has the mark1 been discontinued? if so that can be a good indication of a new model coming soon

[Sfordphoto]

mai 24-70's zoom ring is slightly broken...it only goes to 25mm and 64mm...won't go to either extreme. sadness! i guess i need to get it repaired regardless of a new one coming out.

[xMClass]

I'm still good with mine. Don't think I'll be buying a new one if/when it comes out even with IS.

[scermat]

i think IS would benefit me on this lens which is why i decided to go with the 70-200 first and invest in this later on (i was initially planning to do the opposite). I find it quite useful on the lenses i tried with it.

as a result i wouldn't be surprised if canon decide to update the 70-200 before the 24-70. :lol:

[nuffi]

The thing is, a guy that I know who's opinion I trust has been banging on about the current zoom lineup not being up to parr on the new bodies, and the top of his list is this brick. If he's right then an update of all these lenses will be announced over the next year or two.

Personally I am not convinced yet. I think there's a shortage of all sorts of lenses ebcause canon pared their staff back to the bone expecting that the GFC would hurt their business really hard.

Turns out that, in Australia at least, they've had their biggest quarter ever which followed their third biggest quarter ever. And they exceeded their projections for 5dii sales by something massive.

Anyways, I can confirm that they're still supplying orders for 24-70mm f/2.8L here in Australia, so they haven't ceased production. Demand is just vey very high right now.

[Stealthy Ninja]

Just because they're taking orders doesn't (necessarily) mean they are still producing them. I'm sure Canon would be willing to sell of their current stockpile.

I read somewhere that they have back orders in Australia that need to be filled too, so maybe Australia is the dumping ground for the last of the current 24-70s Canon have in stock. :p

[Jannie]

When I first switched from the 24-105 to the 24-70, I thought it should have IS but having relied on it for a year now, I can say that I've never felt the need for the IS.

Not really sure what people feel needs to change in the 24-70 to make it better, certainly not the color or sharpness, I might guess that Canon could make it with a fixed front element instead of moving in and out and if they could drop a pound off of the weight, I'm sure that would appeal to a lot of people, also by now, Canon may have found a better way to design this lens for their manufacturing needs. So I guess there are some things that could be changed, it would also be neat if they could make it faster, even a third of a stop helps.

[bigcountry]

i think people think IS is a must.

northern lights does have some awesome images, but when it comes to future camera specs, i dont think he has a clue.

[Jannie]

Well when a new technology is introduced we tend to think it "has" to be applied to everything. I think that at least has been my case but I never think today that I wish my 24-70 had IS at all, if it had it of course I'd turn it on because it was there but I'd rather have less size and weight with the same image quality. I'd rather have a faster lens than IS; having a smaller profile would cause me to grab it even more often than a prime when I'm just out shooting and if it is faster, I'd more often leave the primes at home. I like this lens a lot, it's just very handy so if they do make any of these changes I'll seriously consider it, but not if it just offers IS.

[friz]

I buy equipment for a lifetime of use. One of the reasons I picked the 24-70 was that it didn't have IS. Added complexity = added repair issues. My next lens will be a non IS 70-200 more then likely.

[bomzai]

I buy equipment for a lifetime of use. One of the reasons I picked the 24-70 was that it didn't have IS. Added complexity = added repair issues. My next lens will be a non IS 70-200 more then likely.

As in 24-70 is so simple without IS? :D

Your argument has very little substance, because breakages are a matter of chance or usage. And I have not heard of any substantial number of problems with IS stop working with otherwise perfect lens (there definitely should be cases like this, but comparing to AF issues for example I am sure they are negligible).

That said, 24-70 does not need IS, who would want a lens that weighs 1.5kilo with normal zoom range?!

[yuriyo923]

I buy equipment for a lifetime of use. One of the reasons I picked the 24-70 was that it didn't have IS. Added complexity = added repair issues. My next lens will be a non IS 70-200 more then likely.


I think for 70-200 hand-held shooting IS is a must...

[keithcooper]

i think people think IS is a must.

northern lights does have some awesome images, but when it comes to future camera specs, i dont think he has a clue.

Thanks - I'd actually much rather people found some the Northlight articles/reviews of use, or just enjoyed some of the pictures... :-)

I started a rumour page about 5 years ago and the pages do have a bit of a life of their own. I'd always emphasise that apart from the more absurd suggestions I get sent (and I've had some truly awful Photoshoped fakes sent ;-) ) I'll put much of it up. The rumour health warnings do apply - take with a big pinch of salt! It's very rare that I get any cast iron stuff, but I know that a lot of people are amused by the rumours, and it's certainly not bad for the web site as a whole - I've noted the proliferation of rumour only sites with interest over the last few years, particularly the way a typo in one of my recent posts spread it's way round the net :-)

[Markitos]

This is rather interesting. Telephoto primes from Canon are so sharp and spectacular... yet they have a hard time making a similarly amazing "normal" prime like the 50mm.

The 50mm f/1.8 and 50mm f/1.4 are fantastically sharp lenses for very cheap. The 50 f/1.2L has some focusing issues, not optical issues, so not sure what you're talking about. I agree, though, that I'd LOVE to have a 50mm f/1.4L for a better price point.


I'd pay $500 for a Mk2 50 f/1.4 with quick ring-usm and better optical quality wide open...I think theres many others who would too

I sure would!


I do think a 30 or 35mm f1.8 for APS-C is coming soon, though. :)

Why do you think that? They've had a 35 f/2 for years, while Nikon has had nothing! Just because Nikon's decided to get back in the game with their primes doesn't mean Canon has to pointlessly reiterate things. I'm not saying it won't happen, but I'm curious what your logic is.

Personally, I think it's stupid to wait around for a new lens that might or might not be released, and deprive yourself of a lens that you might want or need. I've been able to sell just about all of my L lenses for ~90% of their value, and others I've bought used and could probably sell for a profit, so it's not hard to buy the 24-70 now and dump it when the new one comes out. Everyone will want the new lens, you say? Well, with IS it will be closer to ~$2k, and there will be tons of people who will be just fine with the older, cheaper lens.

I, for one, have never missed IS on my normal zoom, and I am a HUGE advocate of IS generally.

Finally, just because a new, better lens is coming out, doesn't mean the old ones suck. I have been using a 16-35 f/2.8L mkI quite happily for months, and don't feel any need to upgrade to the mkII, even though it exists. Similarly with the 24L--I don't have it, but I'd get the mkI over the mkII, just because for ME, the quality increase doesn't justify the price increase.

In some cases, like with the 50L or the 85L, a mkII makes sense--for the 85L, the mkII gives you faster focus, which is important. For the 50L, we can only hope that it fixes the focus issues.

Just my 10 cents!

[Stealthy Ninja]

Thanks - I'd actually much rather people found some the Northlight articles/reviews of use, or just enjoyed some of the pictures... :-)

I started a rumour page about 5 years ago and the pages do have a bit of a life of their own. I'd always emphasise that apart from the more absurd suggestions I get sent (and I've had some truly awful Photoshoped fakes sent ;-) ) I'll put much of it up. The rumour health warnings do apply - take with a big pinch of salt! It's very rare that I get any cast iron stuff, but I know that a lot of people are amused by the rumours, and it's certainly not bad for the web site as a whole - I've noted the proliferation of rumour only sites with interest over the last few years, particularly the way a typo in one of my recent posts spread it's way round the net :-)

Well, you're better than Mr. Ken R. ;)

I like your site dude. It's one of my rumour sources. As you suggested, rumours are for fun and possible future lens planning, it's not life and death. ;)

[keithcooper]

Well, you're better than Mr. Ken R. ;)
Now that, I -do- appreciate ;-) Thanks!

[zaathrus]

Have a June 09 24-70L - so knowing my luck there's an update on the way guaranteed...

[aaronkneile]

Who knows with the rumors? It's encouraging to hear of people spotting what we assume are test models in the wild. I was planning to pick up a 24-70 a couple of months ago and the guy I go to at the local shop told me to hold off. He didn't say why, but I suppose I could infer that a new one was on the way. He worked for Canon for a lot of years, but maybe it was just intuition.

The thing is, I've been renting the 24-70 for jobs now so I could hold off and buy the new one, and I have not been crazy about the image quality on the original. Barrel distortion is out of control on the wider angles. I shot a couple of test shots with the 24-70 at around 35mm. Then compared it to the 16-35ii at 35mm. The difference was kind of shocking. From 24 to 35mm (where I could make a comparison) you really saw just how distorted the 24-70 is. The images looked almost wrinkled near the corners. And yes, it was definitely a bit soft. So there is room for improvement from what I can see.


As to what's "sharp enough" or what sensors can "outresolve" which lenses, I have little comment. How you shoot, what you print, and a million other variables would factor in to that, I suppose. Sharp enough for one person might not be for another, and it depends on the job.

[JD1476]

Put me down for one of those also...





JD

what?? no 200-400 f/4L IS?

[kandyredcoi]

sold my brick, replacing it with some primes

gonna wait and see when the new 24-70L gets released, maybe ill pick it up as a walkaround if the primes wont cut it on a "daily" basis

[Stealthy Ninja]

Coi, next time you spot one, take a photo dude. You'll be famous! :)

[kandyredcoi]

Coi, next time you spot one, take a photo dude. You'll be famous! :)

i will def try to...1st time i was really caught off guard...:cool:

[Stealthy Ninja]

Next time you go to one of those things, don't worry about the show or whatever, just photograph the photographers. :lol:

[kandyredcoi]

^hahaha, i actually thought about it, i got my neice a 20D, so maybe she can be my lil spy :D

[Stealthy Ninja]

You need a 400mm lens at least. :lol: Stalk the packs of photos around, secretly spying on their lenses.

Shoot in full RAW too. 21MP means we can get a nice look at the "IS" on top of the lens or the IS switch on the side. ;)

[kandyredcoi]

yup!

[GMCPhotographics]

What's happened to Canonrumours.com today? Looks like their site is down.

[Stealthy Ninja]

yep, apparently he had trouble with his hosting service and it should be up tomorrow (which is today?).

[nicksan]

I am salivating at the very thought of a 24-70 f2.8 IS lens with Canon's latest 4 stop IS system, improved optics, etc.
$1500 sounds about right no? Count me in. See you later 24-105L and its fugly bokeh!!!

[kandyredcoi]

^im thinking it would be more than $1500, think 70-200 2.8 IS price range $1700+

[thatkatmat]

I'll take one for sure if it's anywhere under $2000 US
I will say to those who think you don't need IS on a 24-70.......Have you shot with a 17-55IS ? If you have and you've shot static subjects in low light with it, you'd understand....Just makes it WAY more versatile......and as such, worth the extra snap...to me anyways.

[RyanQ]

ill be ready to get the current one for a low price.

[mikekelley]

won't be happening

[kidfiji]

Dammit.. my dad just got the 24-70 too.

[KenjiS]

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?p=8259886#post8259886 Congrats, your 24-70 IS prediction ended up in there :)

[RyanQ]

if it's right, then thats too long to wait.

[tkbslc]

I was really surprised Sigma didn't add stabilization to their new 24-70 HSM lens. They missed a golden opportunity and they have a pretty good IS system that should have been easy to add.