New Canon EOS?

[.me]

Is there something coming up?
I really wanned to buy 20D before 350D came out.
It was the BEST.
Right now I'm paying extra only for the body -- for the rubbery feel.. And I'm a student.. I cant really afford to spend $$$ for a feel.
because the sensor is the same ((

Maybe something is coming out, or dropping price?

[defordphoto]

The 20D has dropped in price. People are yakking about it all over the forums. Nothing new has been announced and we expect nothing new until Fall, if even then. If you see what you want, buy it. If you wait for the greatest, latest you will never buy anything.

[.me]

Hahahah :) Yeh, thats true.. Ok.. thanks :)

[.me]

Well... thats the diffirence - I can buy cheap-looking camera (350D) that does all that 20D does. but the price diff. is 700 bucks

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/compare/compare.asp?comPage=prodlist&cat=&comparecat=22553&page=0&sort=1&sku_id=0665000FS10049955&atab=3&catid=22553&logon=&langid=EN&dept=14

[defordphoto]

Well... thats the diffirence - I can buy cheap-looking camera (350D) that does all that 20D does. but the price diff. is 700 bucks

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/compare/compare.asp?comPage=prodlist&cat=&comparecat=22553&page=0&sort=1&sku_id=0665000FS10049955&atab=3&catid=22553&logon=&langid=EN&dept=14

But, it does not do all the 20D does. Check your specs.

[deedas]

I wouldn't expect anything new for at least a year. And I don't see how much better a 30D could be that would warrant the kind of wait.

[bauerman]

I think that anyone in the market would be well served to ask themselves if the $700 dollar difference between the XT and the 20D is going to pay off for them.........for some people it might.......others it may not. One thing I can say - a framed 8X10 from a 20D is not $700 better looking than a framed 8X10 from an XT!! - Guaranteed.

[robertwgross]

But if you can get a thousand better prints like that from the 20D, then the economics swing around.

---Bob Gross---

[defordphoto]

I think that anyone in the market would be well served to ask themselves if the $700 dollar difference between the XT and the 20D is going to pay off for them.........for some people it might.......others it may not. One thing I can say - a framed 8X10 from a 20D is not $700 better looking than a framed 8X10 from an XT!! - Guaranteed.

Ahhh, but you print retail prices grasshopper. Smart shoppers can find the 20D for much, much, MUCH less that the $700 retail price difference you allege to. ;)

[bauerman]

I find that difficult to believe as being a possibility. The 20D may allow you to get a "keeper" in a few more situations with added features - but if someone never finds themselves in those situations - we are right back to my point. Again - highly dependent on the user.

[PacAce]

I think that anyone in the market would be well served to ask themselves if the $700 dollar difference between the XT and the 20D is going to pay off for them.........for some people it might.......others it may not. One thing I can say - a framed 8X10 from a 20D is not $700 better looking than a framed 8X10 from an XT!! - Guaranteed.
A beatup old Volkwagen beetle can get me from point A to point B just as well as a brand new BMW can. And you'll find some people who'll take the Volkwagen over the BMW and you'll find some others that'll take the BMW over the beetle. Different horses for different courses, as someone here used to (or still does) say. :)

[felix21685]

as long as you dont need AC in the beetle :)

[defordphoto]

I find that difficult to believe as being a possibility. The 20D may allow you to get a "keeper" in a few more situations with added features - but if someone never finds themselves in those situations - we are right back to my point. Again - highly dependent on the user.

Exactly. Don't buy a hammer when all you really need is a screwdriver. Again, smart shopping wins here. ;)

[defordphoto]

as long as you dont need AC in the beetle :)

NB's have that! Having owned two OB's, AC is all windows down and drive like hell! :lol:

[DSMITH131]

Ahhh, but you print retail prices grasshopper. Smart shoppers can find the 20D for much, much, MUCH less that the $700 retail price difference you allege to. ;)
yes cause i paid $1289.00 for mine 20D that is so if you can find a XT for $700.00 less than that let me know

[scsmith10D]

Get a 10D!

[Volatile]

No, don't get a 10D, it's too slow. That's like going from DSL back to dialup.

[Hellashot]

because the sensor is the same ((

Maybe something is coming out, or dropping price?

The XT and 20D do NOT have the same sensor. The 20D has a slightly better one.

[Tom W]

The XT and 20D do NOT have the same sensor. The 20D has a slightly better one.

I suspect that the design of both sensor is nearly the same, but I'd bet that the sensor for the XT is made in a different factory, in a different country than that of the 20D.

[PacAce]

I suspect that the design of both sensor is nearly the same, but I'd bet that the sensor for the XT is made in a different factory, in a different country than that of the 20D.
The manufacturing process is probably different, too, to keep the cost for the XT down. Maybe more lenient toleration spec?

[Tom W]

The manufacturing process is probably different, too, to keep the cost for the XT down. Maybe more lenient toleration spec?

Maybe manufactured in a lower-wage country instead of Japan was my train of thought. But you're probably right - a little more tolerance, from what I understand, can greatly improve yield.

[bauerman]

I see the 20D as a "bridge" camera between hobbyists and professionals. The 20D is the top "hobby" camera in Canon's lineup. Once the 20D cannot keep up with your needs - then you are going to have to spend the big bucks and go with a "1" series camera - a truly professional tool. Canon says that the 20D is for the "advanced amateur" - in their own words.

[d123]

Maybe manufactured in a lower-wage country instead of Japan was my train of thought. But you're probably right - a little more tolerance, from what I understand, can greatly improve yield.

Actually not, all the 350D's I have seen are made in Japan.

[Medic1]

The 20D is alot more than just a mag alloy bodied XT. Check this thread out for a quick look at where the 20D accels. Scroll halfway down to fatrat's post.

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=70837

[foobar]

To whoever posted that the 20D is the end all, is probably just a newbie to SLR's as a whole.

If you had actually used a *real* full-frame SLR (like Olympus OM or the like), you would realize there is plenty that can be improved:

- viewfinders still look like tunnels in DSLRs. Look at a film SLR viewfinder and it's like looks like the 40in plasma widescreen to the 20D's 15in TV viewfinder.
- improved focusing screens for manual focus?
- eye-focus anyone? Been in the film SLR's for years, has yet to show up in dSLRs.
- better weatherproofing
- on-sensor dust reduction ala Olympus
- 100k+ activation shutters that can keep up with digital
- on-sensor IS ala Minolta (every lens becomes an IS lens!)
- improved AF accuracy for low-light

And that doesn't even cover the crazy stuff you can do with modern networked computers:
- wireless or LAN access on-camera, for cheap, and without a bulky add-on
- better yet, crazy features now possible with digital systems, like on-camera GPS (already out, but in a cheap digital camera). Think what you can do with this in terms of software.
- stuff like cellular data access direct from the SLR (the battery and the form factor are big enough for sure...heck the little phones can do it, it seems only a matter of time until xfer speeds get to the point where it can be done.

In short, there's *plenty* of convergence possible with cameras in general, it's being done already, no particular reason why SLR's will be exempt from the trend (if anything they'll get there first). Yea, plenty of existing improvements that can be had beyondthe 20D. Even compared to modern film cam's, the 20D for all the breathless hype put on it is still far from a pro camera; it's definitely an amateur SLR, and not even a really good one at that...it lacks a lot of the usability of EOS SLRs from the 80s for crying out loud.

[lostdoggy]

Buy the XT and within a few month like me with 300D long for a 20D. And XT is not the same as a 20D. Its like saying that a Jetta and a Porche Carrera is the same. They both have four wheels and both drive and use gasoline, but the difference is how you look when you get to the destination. But, if you could only afford the XT then buy the XT. Oh by the way the difference is not $700. You can get the 20D w/ lens for $1440 less $100 Rebate from Dell, free shipping and no Tax for most States. The XT w/ lens for $999 at your local Best Buy no rebate. Thats a difference of less then $340. Thats more then 1/2 of $700.

[grego]

No, don't get a 10D, it's too slow. That's like going from DSL back to dialup.

Compared to the 20D, yes, it's slower,

but its still a valuable camera that you can find for a good price compared to the Rebels, which are limited a little bit. 3fps is still pretty good. The old Rebel got 2.5 and the new one gets 3. So speed wise, its pretty even there.

If you are on a budget and want something at the midlevel range, its a good camera to get if you can get it.

[Carzee]

When "the latest" is about 2 years old, its half the new price (as a general rule). In 2005 you get 1 x 20D or 2 x 10D for the money... so you make your choice, I would prioritise the glass investment first. I am typical in that I get more thrills from using quality glass than "the latest" body. So, what is your priority?

[puttick]

If the XT fits your bill, it will produce results indistinguishable from the 20d in almost every conceivable situation. And you could spend the money saved on a trip (I would suggest Venice, but then I'm in the UK and biased!) and take a whole load of photos.

[CanonAndy]

[QUOTE=lostdoggy] Its like saying that a Jetta and a Porche Carrera is the same. They both have four wheels and both drive and use gasoline, but the difference is how you look when you get to the destination.

I think the XT and 20D are closer than a Jetta and Porche. Its more like a Mustang GT vs. Mustang Cobra. They share a lot of the same features, and the same base powerplant. Its the tweaks and slight differences that drive buyers to make their decision.

For some reason, I now feel the urge to head to the parking lot do some power-braking...

CanonAndy

[Titus213]

Add the real issue between the XT and 20D - after 5 years of picture taking which one would you have rather had? If you took 10000 pictures in that 5 years your answer will be different from the guy who took 100000.

Carzee - wasn't it you that noted the different countries of manufacture between the XT and 20D? That says something for sure and I own a 300D (because it's what I could afford at the time).