Missing the Speed with my 1DSMII

[MDJAK]

Having had the 20D (5fps) and never really taking advantage of the continuous shooting mode, I thought the 4fps of my 1dsmII would be more than enough. Well, when I was shooting wrestling it was. Now that I'm doing track and field and baseball, it isn't. Sure would have been nice if they made it faster if just shooting medium jpegs.

Now, I'm contemplating getting the 1dmII. Man, this sure can get expensive.

[ssim]

The FPS on the 1DMKII is awesome. Like music to the ears.

If you thought that you needed the speed why did you chose the 1Ds. The additional resolution of the 1Ds would be nice but I have printed my MKII up to 20X30 and quite easily could go bigger.

[Longwatcher]

Given the number of pixels, Canon apparently made it as fast as they could get away with. The opposite was apparently the case with the 1DM2, The got it to 8FPS and then gave it as many pixels as they could. I am guessing about 2 more cameras before the two merge. So wait for the 1D4. They might make it by the 1D3, but that would be better then I expect.

In the meantime, you probably should have kept the 20D (if you didn't). I have kept my 10D and actually also my D60 (although for different reasons). The main reason being in case there was a situation I needed the 1.6x format for, but also for backup just in case.

[MDJAK]

The FPS on the 1DMKII is awesome. Like music to the ears.

If you thought that you needed the speed why did you chose the 1Ds. The additional resolution of the 1Ds would be nice but I have printed my MKII up to 20X30 and quite easily could go bigger.

Actually, I didn't think I needed the speed. (And I did sell the 20d to the baseball coach, along with the 550ex and the 28-135IS for $1600.00) I never used the speed before the new sports I began shooting. Guess I'll have to live with it for now.

[primoz]

Fps on 1d is nice but still not enough to rely on it. I'm shooting bunch of alpine skiing world cup races and most of times 8fps is not enough. With skiing you need to get photo of skier when hitting pole. And with speed of about 100km/h (+/- 10-20km/h depends on discipline), 8fps is not enough, since if you just press shutter and let camera do the rest you won't get right moment most of times. Ok you can be lucky but most of times you miss right moment and you have one photo which is taken a bit to early and next one which is a bit too late. This photo is what I'm talking about: http://www.mgdfx.com/news/050227/slides/01.jpg
I would assume with baseball it's same thing, since I have same problems shooting golf too. For slower sports it's fine and with stuff like handball, basketball etc. 8fps is coping just fine.

[MDJAK]

That's a great shot. I can't tell if it's too soon or too late though.
But I know exactly what you mean about it depends on when you begin to press the shutter.

Has there in the past, perhaps with film, been cameras that are even faster? Is there a practical limit that it will reach? Is faster than 10 fps doable?

[Belmondo]

FWIW, I'd rather have the resolution than the speed. When you take lots of train pictures things don't move fast enough to ever take advantage of the 1D MkII's speed.

I guess I'm offering you a trade. I'll even hand carry the 1D Mk II to New York. :lol:

[primoz]

This shot is actually quite at right moment :) Otherwise with 1v and booster you get 10fps, but it's still too slow. Not to mention it's quite expensive having your roll done in 3.5sec :) I would say for sports like skiing and especially for baseball and golf (getting ball on bat) something like 30fps would be enough, but I don't think we will see camera like that anytime soon.

[CyberDyneSystems]

30 FPS is faster than moton picture! :shock:

[PacAce]

This shot is actually quite at right moment :) Otherwise with 1v and booster you get 10fps, but it's still too slow. Not to mention it's quite expensive having your roll done in 3.5sec :) I would say for sports like skiing and especially for baseball and golf (getting ball on bat) something like 30fps would be enough, but I don't think we will see camera like that anytime soon.
Hmm. 30 fps, huh? Might I interest you in this new Canon camera that can do just that? It's the Powershot S2 IS. Now, don't let the fact that it only shoots at a rez of 640x480 at that speed bother you. We can easily fix that after the fact. ;)

:mrgreen: :lol:

[karusel]

At 30 fps, the mirror would be a very weak link, it would require a stronger spring, a larger and (much) more powerful spring-motor, so the mirror would flip faster, and as it would, the g-forces, I imagine, would be pretty high, I doubt regular glass would do; there would probably be increased vibrations and it would definetely be much louder. It would probably make more sense to invent a mirrorless SLR then. Oh, not to mention the necessity for huge and superfast buffer, a superfast processor and a large and powerful battery. If it'll happen, surely not anytime soon. There were speculations, that for sports, SLR's would at one point become obsolete, being substituted by high resolution video cameras so that the editor would simply choose the frame from the clip.


primoz: in drugac? :D

[primoz]

Actually you can't :) Video is not same thing, what you can see yourself when pressing pause button on your vcr or dvd. And it's too long for this late hour to explain why it's like that :)

[karusel]

I think know what you mean, but suppose the video camera was capable of capturing actually sharp pictures with no sort-of-blur. It would probably be easier to do than 30 flips per second mirror. :D

[MDJAK]

FWIW, I'd rather have the resolution than the speed. When you take lots of train pictures things don't move fast enough to ever take advantage of the 1D MkII's speed.

I guess I'm offering you a trade. I'll even hand carry the 1D Mk II to New York. :lol:

Belmondo, that sure is mighty nice of ya, partner, but at this time I'll decline. If I decide I really have a need for speed, I'll buy a 1DMKII, or wait until the MKIII comes out.

[mvonditter]

Fps on 1d is nice but still not enough to rely on it. I'm shooting bunch of alpine skiing world cup races and most of times 8fps is not enough. With skiing you need to get photo of skier when hitting pole. And with speed of about 100km/h (+/- 10-20km/h depends on discipline), 8fps is not enough, since if you just press shutter and let camera do the rest you won't get right moment most of times. Ok you can be lucky but most of times you miss right moment and you have one photo which is taken a bit to early and next one which is a bit too late. This photo is what I'm talking about: http://www.mgdfx.com/news/050227/slides/01.jpg
I would assume with baseball it's same thing, since I have same problems shooting golf too. For slower sports it's fine and with stuff like handball, basketball etc. 8fps is coping just fine.

That's a great photo, even if the guy doens't ski as well as I in my day.:lol:

[primoz]

Yeah I guess it would be easier. With 30fps I guess shutter would also be problem (or at least it's durability). About mirrorless cameras. Canon had one already and it was called Eos 1nRS. Ok it wasn't mirrorless but it was done different so mirror wasn't flipping up and down. I don't remember right word in english what it was called, but mirror was fixed and light went through it to film. There was about 1stop loss (if I remember right) because of that and I guess that was reason why they didn't keep it in newer cameras. But it was interesting camera to shoot. Especially for pannings and stuff like that :)

[Jon]

Yeah I guess it would be easier. With 30fps I guess shutter would also be problem (or at least it's durability). About mirrorless cameras. Canon had one already and it was called Eos 1nRS. Ok it wasn't mirrorless but it was done different so mirror wasn't flipping up and down. I don't remember right word in english what it was called, but mirror was fixed and light went through it to film. There was about 1stop loss (if I remember right) because of that and I guess that was reason why they didn't keep it in newer cameras. But it was interesting camera to shoot. Especially for pannings and stuff like that :)

More than one. They go back to the Pellix in 1965. Two Pellix models, a HS motor drive F-1 (classic), HS motor drive New F-1, EOS RT, and then, finally the Eos 1N RS.