for r strap users RE d-ring

[junji98]

hi all.

just got an R strap and was just making sure that it is NOT recommended to use the D ring from a manfrotto tripod QR plate in place of the fastenR2 correct? i am so tempted to use the D-ring (even shown in their demo video) but i do remember reading that disasters can happen with the manfrotto D-ring right?

thanks :)

[82NoMe]

I use my Manfrotto D-Ring. It looks like the same ring as on the new Rapid 2fastener. The best thing is just unclippng it to mount on a tripod or monopod. I wish I had an extra plate to test how strong the rings are, but seem solid enough for me.

[M3Rocket]

You can use the D-Ring on the Manfrotto plates, but use it at your own peril. They were not designed to hold the kind of weight that a 1D and 70-200 f2.8L IS hanging off it, and there have been reports of dropped cameras because of the D-Ring separation.

[djmorgan]

I think that the old hooks could open on any ring, as a stop gap they sent them out with a piece of plastic to lock the hook closed, now they have a new hook that has a screw locking mechanism, it was nothing to do with the D ring

[Jon]

The hook opening and the Manfrotto RC2 D-ring failing were two distinct problems. The D-ring on an RC2 baseplate isn't a single continuous loop; the ends are not welded together, and under moderately heavy loads or stress they can pull out of the mounting screw, letting your camera fall. There was also an R-strap replacement program for one version of their attachment rings.

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=701764&highlight=BlackRapid
and quite a long thread discussing the several product recalls/replacements/service notices/problems they've been encountering over time here:
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=498345&highlight=R-Strap

[djmorgan]

I'm trying to answer the OP's question with facts, reading both those lenghty threads nobody actually has experienced a Manfotto base plate malfunction, there are a few 'engineers' who say it is risky, there is one user who tried to open the D ring and found it exceeded any weight/force requirements under normal use.

I've used my R strap with 70-200 and 100-400 glass and never had a problem hiking up and down hill and climbing through bush land having the camera snag on trees.

Still at the end of the day the OP must way up the risk, but I have not read of anybody loosing a camera and lens from the D ring opening.

[M3Rocket]

I'm trying to answer the OP's question with facts, reading both those lenghty threads nobody actually has experienced a Manfotto base plate malfunction, there are a few 'engineers' who say it is risky, there is one user who tried to open the D ring and found it exceeded any weight/force requirements under normal use.

I've used my R strap with 70-200 and 100-400 glass and never had a problem hiking up and down hill and climbing through bush land having the camera snag on trees.

Still at the end of the day the OP must way up the risk, but I have not read of anybody loosing a camera and lens from the D ring opening.

Is this proof enough for you? :rolleyes:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/759672/0#6939345

Just because you didn't read it, and it hasn't happened to you, doesn't mean it hasn't happened at all. The D-Rings underneath those Manfrotto plates were NOT designed to hold the weight of the camera and lens. What is so hard to understand about that?

[djmorgan]

Is this proof enough for you? :rolleyes:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/759672/0#6939345

Just because you didn't read it, and it hasn't happened to you, doesn't mean it hasn't happened at all. The D-Rings underneath those Manfrotto plates were NOT designed to hold the weight of the camera and lens. What is so hard to understand about that?

What proof? that's one user making an assertion that his broke! I've not seen it reported anywhere else.

And Blackrapid continue to show their video using the Manfrotto base plate.

Me thinks the sky is falling! :rolleyes:

Let the OP make his mind up based on the facts at hand not theory or unsubstantiated claims

[M3Rocket]

What proof? that's one user making an assertion that his broke! I've not seen it reported anywhere else.

And Blackrapid continue to show their video using the Manfrotto base plate.

Me thinks the sky is falling! :rolleyes:

Let the OP make his mind up based on the facts at hand not theory or unsubstantiated claims

There is one first hand post about this, and you're denying it's proof? Where's your proof that the D-Ring never fails?

No one said the sky was falling--just a caution that the D-Ring was not designed for the type of use that BlackRapid intends for it. You telling me you have proof that Manfrotto designed the D-Ring for use with the BlackRapid system? :rolleyes:

The OP can make up his own mind without you trying to tell him what is fact and what isn't. The Manfrotto D-Ring on their plates were never designed to be used with the BR strap the way it is being shown. Get it? Using it in that fashion is risky. It's already bad enough that a lot of the BlackRapid parts came apart and sent cameras crashing to the ground. And that was with parts that are supposedly designed exactly for that intended purpose, but failed due to manufacturing or design flaws of the BlackRapid parts. And you wanna add a recommendation for using a third party part that wasn't designed for that purpose?

Absence of proof is not proof of absence.

[djmorgan]

There is one first hand post about this, and you're denying it's proof? Where's your proof that the D-Ring never fails?

No one said the sky was falling--just a caution that the D-Ring was not designed for the type of use that BlackRapid intends for it. You telling me you have proof that Manfrotto designed the D-Ring for use with the BlackRapid system? :rolleyes:

The OP can make up his own mind without you trying to tell him what is fact and what isn't. The Manfrotto D-Ring on their plates were never designed to be used with the BR strap the way it is being shown. Get it? Using it in that fashion is risky. It's already bad enough that a lot of the BlackRapid parts came apart and sent cameras crashing to the ground. And that was with parts that are supposedly designed exactly for that intended purpose, but failed due to manufacturing or design flaws of the BlackRapid parts. And you wanna add a recommendation for using a third party part that wasn't designed for that purpose?

Absence of proof is not proof of absence.

You drink a lot of coffee! right? get very hyped up about things don't you, or maybe I just found your 'on' button :rolleyes:

Yes your right, I don't find one comment in a very large community proof of concept.

Yes your right Manfrotto did not design their plate with this use in mind, BUT I bet Blackrapid did!

I would also bet that if Blackrapid had any reports of this NON Event, then they would pull their recommendation to use the strap with a manfrotto quick release plate.

Now chill out :p

[M3Rocket]

You drink a lot of coffee! right? get very hyped up about things don't you, or maybe I just found your 'on' button :rolleyes:

Yes your right, I don't find one comment in a very large community proof of concept.

Yes your right Manfrotto did not design their plate with this use in mind, BUT I bet Blackrapid did!

I would also bet that if Blackrapid had any reports of this NON Event, then they would pull their recommendation to use the strap with a manfrotto quick release plate.

Now chill out :p

The notion that BlackRapid designed the strap to use the D-Ring on the Manfrotto plate is laughable. Your proof is where? And the notion that they would pull their recommendation to use the Manfrotto plate? They NEVER recommended it officially anywhere--at least not in writing--in the first place. It just so happened that some shots of their straps in videos show the strap being used with the Manfrotto plates.

For someone so concerned about facts, you sure use a lot of conjecture and personal attacks. Just stick to the facts, Jack.

[djmorgan]

Watch the video all the way through

http://www.blackrapid.com/video/instructions.php

Moving on, you now bore me. :mad:

[M3Rocket]

C-ya! Bye! Good riddance!

[junji98]

whoa. my thanks to both parties airing their opinions! i certainly have enough info to make an informed decision. the discussion is appreciated.