Profile Load on system startup

[Romeo26222]

I have winxp sp3 and my laptop has the inter 965 graphic accelerator, I can't seem to get it to load the
colour profile (user defined) at system startup. This is because
using the default settings, my display looks too bright - so I created
a colour profile in which I reduced the gamma to cut down the
brightness. I saved the colour profile.

However whenever I log onto windows after a reboot - the profile does
not get applied.

Is there any way to get the profile applied after the reboot?

thanks

[In2Photos]

You need to go into the display settings and click on advanced. FRom there choose the Color Management tab and set the profile you created as the default.

[Romeo26222]

You need to go into the display settings and click on advanced. FRom there choose the Color Management tab and set the profile you created as the default.

thats exactly what i did but still can't be loaded at startup..

[ChasP505]

This is because
using the default settings, my display looks too bright - so I created
a colour profile in which I reduced the gamma to cut down the
brightness.

Sounds kind of convoluted... Why not just lower the display Brightness?

[gcogger]

I have winxp sp3 and my laptop has the inter 965 graphic accelerator, I can't seem to get it to load the
colour profile (user defined) at system startup. This is because
using the default settings, my display looks too bright - so I created
a colour profile in which I reduced the gamma to cut down the
brightness. I saved the colour profile.

However whenever I log onto windows after a reboot - the profile does
not get applied.

Is there any way to get the profile applied after the reboot?

thanks

How did you create the profile?

When you associate a profile with the monitor, Windows does nothing with it except to record the fact that it has been associated. That in itself will cause no change in the way the monitor looks. If you view an image in a colour-managed application then the profile will be used by that application, and the image will be displayed accordingly. In Windows, office applications, most web browsers etc. the profile will have no effect at all.

You may be thinking about the effect you see when using most hardware calibration systems. In addition to creating a profile they also set up a LUT (lookup table) to adjust the graphics card on startup. This causes the display to change as Windows starts, which many people (incorrectly) think of as 'loading the profile'. In fact, the change is something caused by the calibration software you used, and usually done by an application (e.g. the i1 Logo Calibration Loader) that runs on startup.

Am easier way to lower the screen brightness on a laptop that doesn't have hardware controls might be to go into the advanced display properties. There's often some scope for adjustment in there somewhere.

[Romeo26222]

gcogger
thanks to clear up the profile management in windows because i thought that once i make it default profile i should see the difference on windows permanently
I created the profile with adobe gamma cpl. i downloaded it and it comes only as .cpl file with no setup or gamma loader at startup.
i tried the microsoft color applet from here
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=1E33DCA0-7721-43CA-9174-7F8D429FBB9E&displaylang=en
and when i apply the profile to the monitor i can see the changes but also i can't make it loads to LUT in system startup.
maybe i need any small peogram that loads that info to the display card at startup..anyone have any recommendation.
and about the color managed applications like photoshop, when i make a default profile to my display should i see the changes in photos colors and brightness inside this application??
thanks

[gcogger]

gcogger
thanks to clear up the profile management in windows because i thought that once i make it default profile i should see the difference on windows permanently
I created the profile with adobe gamma cpl. i downloaded it and it comes only as .cpl file with no setup or gamma loader at startup.
i tried the microsoft color applet from here
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=1E33DCA0-7721-43CA-9174-7F8D429FBB9E&displaylang=en
and when i apply the profile to the monitor i can see the changes but also i can't make it loads to LUT in system startup.
maybe i need any small peogram that loads that info to the display card at startup..anyone have any recommendation.

Adobe Gamma used to be capable of creating a LUT, but only the Adobe Gamma Loader would know how to load it (there's no standard way of creating these things). Unless you can get hold of Adobe Gamma Loader then it's unlikely you could load a LUT. In fact, if Adobe Gamma is only available as a .cpl file nowadays, without the loader, then I doubt it even creates a LUT (it would make no sense for it to do so).

I've not used the MS colour applet, but it doesn't sound like it would do anything different to what you've done already. It will have no knowledge of any LUT created by Adobe Gamma, as only Adobe knows how that is defined.

and about the color managed applications like photoshop, when i make a default profile to my display should i see the changes in photos colors and brightness inside this application??
thanks

Yes, when you change the monitor profile then Photoshop should change the way it displays the image. Photoshop, however, only knows about the profile itself - the LUT is a separate issue. I'm not sure exactly how you're trying to cause a brightness change, or how Adobe Gamma deals with it, but Photoshop ignores the LUT and that may be where the effects you want would come from.

Forgive me, bit it doesn't sound like a good approach to try and control monitor brightness via Adobe Gamma. Does your laptop have no way of reducing the monitor brightness or backlight level? If not, have you tried the advanced display properties as I suggested?

[Romeo26222]

well gcogger
maybe i wasn't clear at first but the problem iam facing is that after editing photos in photoshop on my laptop i see the colors and brightness very good but when see it on the lab monitors and after printed its darker than what i see on my laptop screen.
I searched and read topics here talking about calibrate your monitor to see proper colors and proper black and white points.
i used adobe gamma for this and thats all.
i've ordered a spyder3 elite to make good hardware based monitor calibration.
but now I am confused about the profiles which will be generated by spyder3..
i know that it will be my monitor default in winxp system and photoshop will use it too but is that enough!!
shouldn't I care about the LUT and the gamma levels too which will affect how i see the black,white and grays?
spyder3 has its own loader I know, but what will happens if it fails to write the lut to my display adapter?? will i still be calibrated that way but just applying the profile to windows and to photoshop without applying the lut to the display??
thanks

[ChasP505]

The most common cause of dark prints is that your display is much too bright. Simply reduce the backlight brightness and use softproofing in Photoshop before printing.

[gcogger]

well gcogger
maybe i wasn't clear at first but the problem iam facing is that after editing photos in photoshop on my laptop i see the colors and brightness very good but when see it on the lab monitors and after printed its darker than what i see on my laptop screen.

As Chas said, this is usually because your monitor is too bright (not usually related to gamma, unless you've done something weird!). Generally you should reduce the brightness/backlight first, then calibrate the monitor. Does your laptop screen have the ability to do this?

I searched and read topics here talking about calibrate your monitor to see proper colors and proper black and white points.
i used adobe gamma for this and thats all.
i've ordered a spyder3 elite to make good hardware based monitor calibration.
but now I am confused about the profiles which will be generated by spyder3..

A hardware solution is the best way to go, but be aware that many laptop screens do not calibrate well. By the way, if you're going via this route then ignore what I said about adjusting the brightness via the display properties in Windows, as those changes will be overwritten by the calibration software.

i know that it will be my monitor default in winxp system and photoshop will use it too but is that enough!!
shouldn't I care about the LUT and the gamma levels too which will affect how i see the black,white and grays?
spyder3 has its own loader I know, but what will happens if it fails to write the lut to my display adapter?? will i still be calibrated that way but just applying the profile to windows and to photoshop without applying the lut to the display??
thanks

I'm not sure what you're asking here? All this business of the LUT loading at startup should be transparent to you as a user. Many people have a calibrated system but are not even aware that it happens. If the loader fails to load the LUT then no, you are no longer calibrated, but there's no reason this should happen. As to the gamma, just choose 2.2 when you calibrate and you'll be in step with 99% of the rest of the world :)

[ChasP505]

Romeo... I think you're elevating something fairly simple and automatic into a complex worrisome issue. Stop listening to those compulsive voices in your head and focus on the simple words of advice offered by Graeme.

1. When you finally use a hardware calibrator, it will be a simple procedure involving only the backlight control.
2. Don't expect to get the same quality results from a laptop display that you would from a high quality desktop display.
3. Once calibrated, loading the profile and LUT, etc. is done automatically at startup. Resist the voices that compel you to mess with other adjustments after calibrating.

[Romeo26222]

Graeme, Chas
thanks so much for your help, lets continue this topic after i get my spyder and share my experience here with you..
thanks again