1D Mark II: What Does 'Tone' Adjustment Do?

[DwightMcCann]

There isn't much of an explanation on the effect of the 'Tone' settings for my 1D Mark II. Is this similar to Gamma or Levels? I didn't find an explanation Googling it. Recommendations?

[PacAce]

If you're talking about what I think you are, the tone varies the degree of redness of the skin tones. Set it to less than 0 and the skin tone gets redder. Set it to greater than 0 and the skin tone leans more towards yellow.

[DwightMcCann]

So 'Color Tone' is redness? Seems odd. Went to Canon's website and couldn't find any information. Anybody know where there is documentation?

[robertwgross]

For red colors, the difference between crimson red and pink is tone. For blues, the difference between royal blue and pale sky blue is tone. Often, this gets applied to skin color shading, but it could be anything.

---Bob Gross---

[primoz]

There's really just a little little bit about this here: http://home.earthlink.net/~ladlueck2/Tone%20Curves.htm
It's not explained what exactly it is and I have never played with this before so I'm trying to find more about this myself too.

[PacAce]

So 'Color Tone' is redness? Seems odd. Went to Canon's website and couldn't find any information. Anybody know where there is documentation?
If you have the EVU manual, it's there in page W-43. If you don't have the manual, you can download it from the Canon website for the 1DmkII.

http://consumer.usa.canon.com/ir/controller?act=DownloadDetailAct&fcategoryid=325&modelid=9808

[DwightMcCann]

Primoz: Thanks ... an interesting article and HowTo and I can see that I have a ways to go to get a complete handle on this! There are too many options! :)

PacAce: OK, I'm old and slow ... which manual is 'EVU'?

So, what do you guys do? Do you set this at all? Do you create new ones?

[PacAce]

Primoz: Thanks ... an interesting article and HowTo and I can see that I have a ways to go to get a complete handle on this! There are too many options! :)

PacAce: OK, I'm old and slow ... which manual is 'EVU'?

So, what do you guys do? Do you set this at all? Do you create new ones?
Oops! Sorry, I should have been a little more specific. Click on "Drivers/Software". This will open up a new window (if you don't have pop-up block enabled). In the new window, click on the appropriate EOS Viewer Utility version. Click through the Disclaimer page and on the download page, scroll all the way down where the link for the sofware download is. Click on EVUIM-EN.pdf to start the download.

Attached is a screen print of the page if you don't want to go through the trouble of downloading the manual.
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[DwightMcCann]

I still think it is a bit odd that the way to get information about settings on this camera should be through inference from the Viewer Utility. I do think I have the EVU manual but would not have thought to look in it.

And again, what do you guys do with this setting?

[PacAce]

I still think it is a bit odd that the way to get information about settings on this camera should be through inference from the Viewer Utility. I do think I have the EVU manual but would not have thought to look in it.

And again, what do you guys do with this setting?
I have mine set to 0 since that gives me the most natural skin tone colors. If you don't change anything else, the Standard (sRGB) and the Adobe color matrix selections will give you this by default. However, since I have other parameters which are set different from the default values, I use Set 1 to specify my parameters.

BTW, you can find the info on Color Tone in the 1DmkII User's manual at the bottom of page 57. It's a little terse but does say practically the same thing as the EVU manual. :)

[mgash]

Doesn't the tone button add more bass or treble?

[DwightMcCann]

OH, Geez, M, that's helpful! :-)

[PacAce]

Doesn't the tone button add more bass or treble?
Yes it does. And a few "gifted" people "see" sound in colors. Bass is reddish and treble is yellowish. LOL :lol: ;)

[PaulB]

I always thought that bass was just darker shades of colour and treble was lighter shades, but with all gradations between.
Does this mean that we all see sound differently?
Does this mean that we all see colour differently? Which I have always suspected, judging by the way some people describe colours - and choose colours for their clothes!

[DwightMcCann]

Hey, Paul, you can't even see my clothes so I'm not sure why you're casting aspersions on me ... sheesh, I just wanted to know how to run this damn camera and now I'm being labelled as clothes-color-style challenged. Screw it, I'm setting the damn thing back to 0 and I'll look at it again next quarter! :-)

And since the boxing match I need to go back to the discussion on "registering" an AF point and switching back and forth from 'All Points'. When I can stick my lens under/through the ropes I want 'closest object' but when they are on the ropes near me I need to shoot through the ropes and switching to the center point and back instantly is clearly useful.

[PacAce]

Hey, Paul, you can't even see my clothes so I'm not sure why you're casting aspersions on me ... sheesh, I just wanted to know how to run this damn camera and now I'm being labelled as clothes-color-style challenged. Screw it, I'm setting the damn thing back to 0 and I'll look at it again next quarter! :-)

And since the boxing match I need to go back to the discussion on "registering" an AF point and switching back and forth from 'All Points'. When I can stick my lens under/through the ropes I want 'closest object' but when they are on the ropes near me I need to shoot through the ropes and switching to the center point and back instantly is clearly useful.
I'm not sure if you're asking us or telling us but just in case you're asking how you can switch between "All Points" and single point, here's a link to such a discussion:

http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=54606&highlight=button

[DwightMcCann]

Leo, I was suggesting that this color tone business is more chewing than I wanted to bite off at the moment, but I think I can handle the AF Point registering. I had previously asked a question about changing the focus point vertically without taking the camera away from my eye and got a superb answer as well as someone who thought I was asking about the registered point. I couldn't see a use for it at the time, but I shot a boxing match since then and realize it would be great when I have to shoot through the ropes ... all such pictures from this last match have the ropes in excellent focus but the boxers are way out of focus! 80% of the time the nearest object is what I want in focus so the registered AF point sounds like the cure. Anyway, thanks for the link! :)

[mvonditter]

Yes it does. And a few "gifted" people "see" sound in colors. Bass is reddish and treble is yellowish. LOL :lol: ;)

Actually, there is color to sound.:D To bad that most people think it means loud bass.:cry:

[DwightMcCann]

I suppose mappings from one linear modality to another are common, but I doubt that a colored image is easily translated to a symphony. Hmm, I'm gonna check out more than three exposures for bracketing, too ... man, this 1D Mark II could entertain me for months. :)

[Deckyon]

Nah - Tone adjustment changes the treble and bass of the mirror/shutter noise. very usefull if it is just a bit off for the kind of sound you are looking for ;-)

[kufel]

my question...does it affect the RAW???