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tstowe
20th of June 2009 (Sat), 09:37
I've found a 28-80mm Mk II for $70 or the Mk I for $120. Which is better? I know sometimes the older model is better (like with the 50 1.8).

gasrocks
20th of June 2009 (Sat), 10:03
Did you look over at the FredMiranda reviews? Myself, I'd pass on both models.

summerwind4
20th of June 2009 (Sat), 10:05
hold a piece of wax paper over your eyes and look at the results as you look through it.............that's what either of these 2 coke bottles will give you............

tstowe
20th of June 2009 (Sat), 10:26
My wife wants to start using my backup camera. I'd rather buy a kit lens and let her use that.

gasrocks
20th of June 2009 (Sat), 10:28
Great idea. Kit lens it is. Ef-s 18-55 IS !!

The Moose
20th of June 2009 (Sat), 10:29
Great idea. Kit lens it is. Ef-s 18-55 IS !!

This. It's the best kit lens on the market. If she wants something longer, buy the 55-250 IS as well.

tstowe
20th of June 2009 (Sat), 10:35
She teaches high school and is going to sit in on a photography class next school year. She wants to use my 30D. I don't want to give her a 2.8 zoom or a prime. I bought the 30D without a lens.

But back to the original question. Is the Mrk I, metal mount, a better lens than the mostly plastic Mk II?

summerwind4
20th of June 2009 (Sat), 10:49
She teaches high school and is going to sit in on a photography class next school year. She wants to use my 30D. I don't want to give her a 2.8 zoom or a prime. I bought the 30D without a lens.

But back to the original question. Is the Mrk I, metal mount, a better lens than the mostly plastic Mk II?

understandable, but with what's been posted, why are you still considering these junk "film kit" lenses for someone you must love right?
sabotage is no way to treat someone who is your better half...........and again, to your original question..........look up samples from this lens (if there are many at all) on pbase.com................or like i said, just hold a piece of wax paper in front of your eyes to see the results..........they are both really bad.

tstowe
20th of June 2009 (Sat), 10:56
Sabotage? Get a grip. It's an inexpensive lens that I won't cry about if it gets broken.

summerwind4
20th of June 2009 (Sat), 10:56
here's some for you.............

http://www.pbase.com/image/76830980

http://www.pbase.com/image/65834199

http://www.pbase.com/image/28988026

summerwind4
20th of June 2009 (Sat), 10:58
Sabotage? Get a grip. It's an inexpensive lens that I won't cry about if it gets broken.

OK........it's just that you can do better to help her with much better results for what you are willing to spend....................and you are the one who needs to get a grip...........you're being a cheepskape>:(
seriously, i know what you are going thru.....hard to give up your pride and joy.
whay not buy her a used Pro1 or something?

tstowe
20th of June 2009 (Sat), 11:12
Cheapskate? You’re awfully generous with my money. Buy another camera? I have a DLS for her to use. They are called starter lenses for a reason. “Let’s see if I like it before I put a lot of money into it.”

And you’re still missing the point of this. Which is better, the Mrk I or II? I’m not asking for your advice on marriage or how I should spend my money.

summerwind4
20th of June 2009 (Sat), 11:16
Cheapskate? Youíre awfully generous with my money. Buy another camera? I have a DLS for her to use. They are called starter lenses for a reason. ďLetís see if I like it before I put a lot of money into it.Ē

And youíre still missing the point of this. Which is better, the Mrk I or II? Iím not asking for your advice on marriage or how I should spend my money.

niether one is better than the other.................but there are others in the series. all stinko, that's why you see a whopping 100 or so samples that are 3x5 size on pbase as anything larger is a mere blur.
no marriage advice either, just respect.
but i guess since you are dead set to get one of these for your better half, you are beyond taking any kind of advice.

tstowe
20th of June 2009 (Sat), 11:20
you are beyond taking any kind of advice.

Hey, then here's an idea...stop giving it.

summerwind4
20th of June 2009 (Sat), 11:21
Hey, then here's an idea...stop giving it.

kinda hard too when hardheads keep asking for it:p

summerwind4
20th of June 2009 (Sat), 11:33
OK, let's try this in a more civil manner............look here to see the MTF charts.

http://software.canon-europe.com/files/documents/EF_Lens_Work_Book_10_EN.pdf

or a review or 2,
http://www.fredmiranda.com/reviews/showproduct.php?product=7&sort=7&cat=27&page=2

http://www.fredmiranda.com/reviews/showproduct.php?product=335&sort=7&cat=27&page=3

msowsun
20th of June 2009 (Sat), 11:56
There are TWO different 28-80mm version I's. One is USM and one is not USM. This was followed by version II, III, IV etc.

http://photonotes.org/cgi-bin/lens-lookup.pl?lens1=EF+28-80mm+f3.5-5.6+USM&lens2=EF+28-80mm+f3.5-5.6&lens3=EF+28-80mm+f3.5-5.6+II&lens4=*&lens5=*

Aside from the little known 28-80mm 2.8-4L, the only good 28-80mm is the original EF 28-80mm 3.5-5.6 USM.

It has Ring Type USM, Full Time Manual Focus, and a metal mount. It's optics are much better than the other consumer 28-80mm's. (comparable to the 28-105 and 28-135 for Image Quality)

It is easy to spot by the fact it has a metal mount and separate focus rings and zoom rings on the body of the lens. The other versions have only a zoom ring and use the front element to focus.

More info here: http://emedia.leeward.hawaii.edu/frary/toolbox2.htm#28-80Anchor
This zoom appeared in 1991 as the kit lens for the EOS Elan/100 and is one of the forgotten gems of the EF line.

For a consumer zoom, the EF 28-80 3.5-5.6 USM delivers sharp and contrasty chromes. Amazingly, image quality is excellent wide open at all focal lengths, with only slight improvement stopping down.

Unfortunately, the EF 28-80 3.5-5.6 USM was replaced in 1995 with the cheaply made EF 28-80 3.5-5.6 USM II, a move that soiled the reputation of Canon 28-80 zooms forever. However, the better optical performance, metal mount, FTM, distance window and more sturdy construction make the EF 28-80 3.5-5.6 USM an excellent value. It's a rare bird on the used market, but they go for $75 to $150 depending on condition.




1991 28-80mm 3.5-5.6 USM________________________1996 28-80mm 3.5-5.6
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tkbslc
20th of June 2009 (Sat), 12:01
tstowe, I am not sure why you are argiung with the good advice you have received. The 28-80 (all versions) are inferior to the new 18-55 IS. 28-80 is a terrible range on a APS-C camera (eq. to 44-128 ), you won't have IS, and the price used will be the same. So why get worked up when people are trying to keep you from wasting your money. Go onto the POTN forums or ebay and find someone selling their kit lens from their XSi or XS. It will be about $100-120 and you will have the best standard lens available for under $300. Oh, and calm down.

tstowe
20th of June 2009 (Sat), 12:07
The 1991 USM version with the metal mount is the one I was looking at getting. I'm still open to the 18-55. I was just wondering about the 28-80...never used or seen one first-hand.

tkbslc
20th of June 2009 (Sat), 12:14
The 1991 USM version with the metal mount is the one I was looking at getting. I'm still open to the 18-55. I was just wondering about the 28-80...never used or seen one first-hand.

Basically the 18-55 is the new digital camera version of the 28-80/90 kit lenses. The original 18-55 was as bad as the older 28-80, but with the latest IS version they upgraded the optics considerably. 18-55 on a APS-C digital will give you about the same FOV as a 28-90 did on film.

The original USM one is the better of the 28-80's yes, but still not the best was to spend $125 on someone's only lens.

msowsun
20th of June 2009 (Sat), 12:34
Basically the 18-55 is the new digital camera version of the 28-80/90 kit lenses. The original 18-55 was as bad as the older 28-80, but with the latest IS version they upgraded the optics considerably. 18-55 on a APS-C digital will give you about the same FOV as a 28-90 did on film.

The original USM one is the better of the 28-80's yes, but still not the best was to spend $125 on someone's only lens.

I don't think you really understand how good the 28-80 USM is. It was NOT a kit lens. It was an expensive Mid Range lens when it came out in 1991. The cheap "KIT" lenses were the 35-70 and 35-80 back then.

If you are interested in a longer walk around lens, the 28-80 USM is the best lens for the price. Sort of poor man's 28-105 or 28-135.

If you want a wider lens then the 18-55 IS is the way to go.

summerwind4
20th of June 2009 (Sat), 12:56
I've found a 28-80mm Mk II for $70 or the Mk I for $120. Which is better? I know sometimes the older model is better (like with the 50 1.8).

this was a kit lens, and that's what the OP was asking about.

summerwind4
20th of June 2009 (Sat), 13:06
MKIII which should be better, but to give an overall idea of this coke bottle,

http://www.texasphotoforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=91269

msowsun
20th of June 2009 (Sat), 13:06
The OP never really asked about "Kit" lenses. He asked about the metal mount 28-80 USM vs the 28-80 II.

The metal mount 28-80 USM was never a "Kit" lens in the same sense as the much cheaper 28-80 II, III, IV etc.

msowsun
20th of June 2009 (Sat), 13:09
MKIII which should be better, but to give an overall idea of this coke bottle,

http://www.texasphotoforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=91269

Your link seems to be no good without registering.

What do you mean the MK III should be better? Better than what?

tstowe
20th of June 2009 (Sat), 13:13
Ok then... a 18-55 IS is better than the oroginal 28-80 USM with the metal mount? They are about the same price.

summerwind4
20th of June 2009 (Sat), 13:16
Ok then... a 18-55 IS is better than the oroginal 28-80 USM with the metal mount? They are about the same price.

yes, the 18-55 IS would be the better choice.

the 18-55 is regarded by most as much higher optical grade over either of the 28-80's whether it be the metal or plastic mount........we just want you to come away a winner when setting up your better half...........i find it refreshing that you are taking the time to investigate this.