Tattoos

[Fade2]

Do you find too many tattoos sexy or ugly?
I ask because I did a shoot a couple of months ago and these young ladies had....I kid you not.......10-12 tattoos apiece! All over their bodies and to me
IT DIDN'T LOOK GOOD AT ALL!
And then they asked could I photoshop them out of the picture.
Why get them then?
Oh well , what do you all think?

[birdfromboat]

I am old enough to remember when tattoos were found only on ex servicemen and ex cons. Only pro wrestlers shaved their heads, and any metal worn on the face was probably the result of a horrible accident or orthodontia. I am getting used to it, and I don't find it repulsive or attractive, just wonder why it is desired by so many.

I have seen tattoos that were very durogatory to the viewer, basically fighting words, and had to wonder how long before someone bigger and badder than the wearer took offense and caused them to wish for the removal of said tattoo. Boys will be boys.

[Karl Johnston]

I don't think of tattooing as a fashion statement but a personal statement by the wearer expressing a part of themself through the picture or words they put on their body. All of my friends (all of my closest ones anyway) have tattoos, at least one, and to my knowledge none of them got the tattoo to appear "sexy" or more attractive.

A couple of them have tattoos ALL over their body; full arms, full back usually. Totally coated. I think the more the merrier; they probably tell a story of a good night, or a bad time overcome, or of a loved one past on.

I've been planning for a few years now to tattoo my whole back, I figure it'll cost a few thousand though so I've been putting it off till I'm wealthy :lol:

Kinda weird that those girls would want their tattoos photoshoped out. I would've charged an extra couple hours for that.

[DarksideTi]

Though I am slightly biased (I have over 40hrs of tattoo work on my body), I think tattoos can be beautiful pieces of art, or absolute crap. Alot depends on the wearers dedication to the art form. Many people invest alot of time, engery and money getting their tattoos just right, while others will find the cheapest tattoo shop to stamp them with the flavor of the moment. I only recommend getting something tattooed that the wearer can truly live with for the rest of their lives, if you can't see yourself with that image on your body in 40yrs, don't get it. If you can't wear it proudly just about everywhere you go, don't get it. That all being said, I primarly shoot tattooed and modified portraits, so yes, I do love those tattooed folks! :)

[xoldboy]

id like to think tattoos are art. same with photography. my tattoos are not meant to be sexy, just a way for me to express myself.

[rooeey]

I am 42 and still want one..I just can't decide what so if i don't find a true meaning with which to tattoo myself that will hold true over time then i just wont do it but i like the concept...
It's a lot like art really an expression of ones self open to opinion and there fore has no one meaning and so often is the way with art that perceptions vary hugely from what the artist intended....

[kandyredcoi]

it really depends on the model and how it fits in the "scene" or "style" of the photoshoot

my.02

[Stealthy Ninja]

IMHO in general multiple tattoos look ugly...

One really big tattoo that is well done is much better than a bunch of tattoos all over the place. It makes people look like someones been randomly drawing things on them.

Large ones that are of a theme (or multiple ones that fit a theme I suppose) make more sense ascetically.

That said. I'm too, too, too scared of needles (really) to get a tattoo.. plus I know I would just dislike it eventually.


Chinese/Japanese tattoos that are really badly done are pretty funny to me. :lol:

id like to think tattoos are art. same with photography. my tattoos are not meant to be sexy, just a way for me to express myself.

Are you this guy?! LINK (http://funniez.net/images/stories/tattoos/tattoo-8.jpg)

[TMCCaptured]

through my years of racing I collected some ink from time to time. Even though I am only 35 my Elite competitive career is over and I have the scars and ink to prove it. Unfortunatly I have just married and even though we love each other greatly I regret the art on my body, now it is costing 3 times as much to have them all removed.

Sure was a dumbass back in the day

[farkwhar]

I am old enough to remember when tattoos were found only on ex servicemen and ex cons. Only pro wrestlers shaved their heads, and any metal worn on the face was probably the result of a horrible accident or orthodontia. I am getting used to it, and I don't find it repulsive or attractive, just wonder why it is desired by so many.

I have seen tattoos that were very durogatory to the viewer, basically fighting words, and had to wonder how long before someone bigger and badder than the wearer took offense and caused them to wish for the removal of said tattoo. Boys will be boys.
well we can't help you didn't change with the times. If things stayed the same the world sure would be an uneventful place and instead of your dslr you still be carrying around your old wooden box. lol I have 6 tatts and my daughter and daughter in law have 3 a piece which they show proudly. They put thought into them and got tatts that will mean something to them 20 or 30 years down the road. and no we are not cons and have never been in the military. and to quote my tattoo artist "if you want a tattoo go down the street, we only do f***ing artwork here". Just like your opinion I have mine. Only thing you have going for you in my book is you are a fellow photographer...lol j/k I guess you just grew up in a different age

[Jaymz]

I love well done tattoos on other people. I have never been able to decide on something I wanted on me permanently. So I went got stabbed, total of 11 piercings currently.

[stathunter]

I am 41 and got a tattoo of an eagle on my shoulder - high up so you could not see it unless I take my shirt off. I am glad I did not get anything that is visible - tattoos look great when fresh - but after 20 years mine is fading and not so sharp - so I am glad I do not have others - I do not regret getting mine. I have always wanted another but now that I am a little older it is almost impossible to decide what I want on my body forever -- and understanding it will look less than fantastic in a few years.

I photograph weddings - tattoos look great when in the right spot on the right person -- which is rare - the majority of the tattoos do not compliment the person -- and will look bad in a few years. --- just my opinion.

[chauncey]

Scott my friend, you pointed out the most important reasons not to get them...they are forever, sans surgery, and what will they look like in 40 years.

[polarbare]

Add me as another who has been tattooed for 15 years and never regretted it. Too many people get ink'd for the wrong reasons and thus live to regret it.

[xoldboy]

there are new treatments to get rid of tattoos that arent as painful as they used to be. plus with the new types of ink you should be able to cover up old ones or get them retouched.

[thebishopp]

Personally I think it depends on the tatoos. I like them, for the most part, got a few myself. I am with polarbare in that one shoudl get inked for the right reasons.

I agree with Stealthy on the chinese/japanese characters. I also think it's funny when they get their "names" done by trying to convert the characters into alphabet. LOL... most people don't realize that is the wrong way to do it. If they want something close to being right they need to get the meaning of their name and then have that meaning translated to the correct characters. Ideally they would get their surname translated as well as most names consist of three characters (1st character the family name and the last two being the given name).

[Lazuka]

I can't stand them, but each to their own.

[irishman]

I would love to be in the tattoo removal business about twenty years from now! Anyone in their twenties who think they have something SO important to express that they have to deface their own skin is going to be in for a rude awakening in their forties.

[Lazuka]

I would love to be in the tattoo removal business about twenty years from now! Anyone in their twenties who think they have something SO important to express that they have to deface their own skin is going to be in for a rude awakening in their forties.

specialize in stars on face removal ;)

[Jaymz]

specialize in stars on face removal ;)

thats one I have never understood.. tattoos on the face

[Lazuka]

thats one I have never understood.. tattoos on the face

you got the reference to the world news right?

[TheMissouriShooter]

We are have a hard time locating enough female models for a calander shoot without them. Per the client no tattoos

[Jaymz]

you got the reference to the world news right?


I did, heh ;)

But it reminded me of several locals that have tribal tattoos all over their face. Atleast with my septum piercing I can remove it and no one would know.

[Mark_Cohran]

I was in the Navy for 21 years and had not a single tattoo when I mustered out in 1996. I just never felt the need or the desire back then. After my granddaughter was born though, my daughter designed a tattoo for me that reflected my service in the Navy, my wife's commitment to me during all those years, and included elements that represented my children and my grandchild and the design was done in such a way as additional grandchildren are born, new elements can be added (and two have been added in the last year) to represent them. So now, I understand tattoos.

Many of the models I shoot with now are tattooed, and I can usually find a way to incorporate that skin art into the image I'm making. But, I agree with others here, that multiple or badly done tattoos that are simply inked on for the sake of having a tattoo can indeed be ugly.

On the other hand, tattoos can be a symbol with deep significance for the wearer.

[JWright]

I also did 20 years in the Navy and came out without any tattoos. Although I'm retired now I've noticed many employers are now requiring their employees not have visible tattoos. In San Diego, Police officers that have tattoos on their arms must wear long-sleeved shirts on duty and the San Diego Zoo (where my wife works) prohibits visible tattoos and piercings. A lot of departments in the zoo do not have long sleeved shirts in their uniform options...

[bric-a-brac]

to me (particularly as someone with several tattoos himself), what draws the line in attractiveness of other tattooed people is not the number of tattoos, but meaning and quality.

some people are covered in dumb tattoos that are faddy/trendy and literal. They look really kitsch.

some people are covered in very imaginative and tasteful artwork that embodies a lot of personal meaning. As such they have chosen to wear a visual expression of their selves we wouldn't overtly be aware without knowing them intimately.

[GM_of_OLC]

I have never seen a tattoo on a woman and thought "Man, that's sexy."
I think they detract from the natural beauty of a woman.
But, some tattoos have a beauty of their own, using the body as a canvas.
Unfortunately these days most of the youngin's don't get good ones.
But hey, we can't all be as cool as Mr. Cool Ice (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=mr%20cool%20ice&sa=N&safe=on&tab=wi&um=1).

[irishman]

What I don't understand are people's need to announce to the world their deep personal thoughts feelings. These thougths change over time. Get some bumper stickers---at least you can peel them off when they become old and faded and meaningless.

[JWright]

How about the teenager that claimed a tattoo artist had tattooed 56 stars on her face while she was sleeping? Turns out that was what she wanted in the first place and had lied because her father was angry...

Unless she's got the bucks for the laser treatments to get them removed, she's effectively ended any chance she might have for meaningful employment in the future.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1194910/Teenager-Kimberley-Vlaminck-56-stars-tattoed-face-finally-comes-clean.html

[Fade2]

I'd like to thank everyone for their replies.
But I can't get into the multiple tattoo thing when they are all of something completely different and are very cheaply done, I mean peoples names, zodiac signs, Chinese symbol (which they have no idea what they really say or mean...unless you speak or can read the language lol)
Like one poster said they couldn't fill a calendar because of the NO TATTOO policy!

[Stealthy Ninja]

I agree with Stealthy on the chinese/japanese characters. I also think it's funny when they get their "names" done by trying to convert the characters into alphabet. LOL... most people don't realize that is the wrong way to do it. If they want something close to being right they need to get the meaning of their name and then have that meaning translated to the correct characters. Ideally they would get their surname translated as well as most names consist of three characters (1st character the family name and the last two being the given name).

Precisely.

I have adpoted a proper chinese surname (尹) then got a couple of characters with nice meaning (which sort of sound like my name): 德安

Together it's: 尹德安

I'd never get my own name tattooed on my body (as I said before, I'm too scared of needles to get one anyway).

[TMCCaptured]

thats one I have never understood.. tattoos on the face

New Zealand maori treat these with pride and mana...

[thebishopp]

New Zealand maori treat these with pride and mana...

Yes they as well as several other ethnic backgrounds such as certain Native American tribes, polynesians, and others.

Tattoos are frequently chosen that have a particular meaning and are considered a mark of pride as well as certain rites of passage from child to adult.

[thebishopp]

Precisely.

I have adpoted a proper chinese surname (尹) then got a couple of characters with nice meaning (which sort of sound like my name): 德安

Together it's: 尹德安

I'd never get my own name tattooed on my body (as I said before, I'm too scared of needles to get one anyway).

Now, if memory serves, there are exceptions to the three character rule... I believe Japanese names contain or can contain 4 characters. Also Chinese temple names can be 4 characters. These are usually names given/assigned/awarded (depending on how you look at it lol) to an individual by the temple for a variety of reasons... one of the main reasons, I think, is when a person becomes a servant (priest or somesuch) of the temple.

[Stealthy Ninja]

Now, if memory serves, there are exceptions to the three character rule... I believe Japanese names contain or can contain 4 characters. Also Chinese temple names can be 4 characters. These are usually names given/assigned/awarded (depending on how you look at it lol) to an individual by the temple for a variety of reasons... one of the main reasons, I think, is when a person becomes a servant (priest or somesuch) of the temple.

Could be... but here in Hong Kong I'd say the percentage of 3 character names is well in the 90s.

Those temple names wouldn't be their "real" name though. Sort of like when Catholics get their special name or whatever that is.

[TeeTee]

The average age on this board won't give you an accurate social representation.

That said, I think it depends on the model and ink on them.

[Gibbo]

The average age on this board won't give you an accurate social representation.

That said, I think it depends on the model and ink on them.

You took the words right out of my mouth. I am nearly 19 years old, and as the average age on the forum would probably range from 30-50, i don't think you can ask this question and get a legit answer. If you asked 100 people under 21, the majority would probably say "ah dude, tattoos rock man!" :)

[gardengirl13]

My favorite quote "the only difference between tattooed people and non-tattooed people is, tattooed people don't care if you're not tattooed."

I have many tattoos. Each have a special meaning, were done on special days, and many of them were drawn by me or my husband. Personally I don't care what people do. If they have tweetie on their ankle who cares? Why do you care if they have a stupid cartoon tattoo? Is it hurting you in some way? No, then don't fret. If they regret it in 20 years who cares. That's their problem not yours.

Tattoo meanings change over time (like the tear drops and spider webs,) placement changes and ideas change. What was popular in the 1950s is popular again today (multiple tattoos not connected.)

For me I do have some things that are considered a "fad" I have a dragon done a few years ago because I'm the year of the dragon, and I drew the design. I have characters on my back for a very special meaning as well. There is nothing wrong with that. My next tattoos are going to be done on our anniversary and may be cherries. Another popular idea. But when I was 8 years old I wanted my first tattoo to be cherries. So I thought I'd do it now.

Here is the tattoo on my back, it's a poem meaning "to be in good health." I have an auto-immune disease that is attacking my spine so that's where I got it.

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w287/gardengirl13/100916273fFQVVHsdtattoodone.jpg

to see a bigger version see my pbase page.

As others have said tattoos can be a way of expressing yourself in more ways then one. I certainly don't do it to impress anyone.

[René Damkot]

"the only difference between tattooed people and non-tattooed people is, tattooed people don't care if you're not tattooed."

Nice one :)

[superstes]

I've got tats from when I was 16, thumb, hand, both forearms inside and out, full spread from my right elbow and over front and back of my shoulder and down my chest.

Are they the best, no, but they tell a story throughout my life, my mate calls them jail house tats lol, I'm 42 now and am waiting to book up for some more on my legs.

[xoldboy]

My favorite quote "the only difference between tattooed people and non-tattooed people is, tattooed people don't care if you're not tattooed."



Well said lol

Ive got a tattoo that represents safety and good luck when out at sea, while i work on a the water and LOVE it, i dont regret my tattoo at all.

i agree with the age factor and different generations, that said i think that it depends on the model/ scene, regardless of how i feel about them.

[nicksan]

People are free to do whatever they want with their bodies. Tats. Nipple rings. Nut sack rings. Nose piercings. Ear piercings. Eye piercing. Eye dying. Have some fun. Perhaps a vampire bite mark with blood drops on your neck? Go for it.

Then when it's all over, good luck trying to find a job. :-)

Tattoos are like a fashion statement these days. Everyone's got 'em. How boring...and how conforming. ;-)

I don't have a tattoo. I never felt I needed to make a "statement" on my skin or needed a tat to feel part of a team or a pack. Never felt the need to advertise how I felt on my skin. Don't get me wrong. I don't think there's anything wrong with tattoos. I just find it amusing that any meaning got diluted when everyone started getting them.

It's as if though not having a tattoo is making a statement now...going against the establishment.

I find that rather ironic.

Oh...and BTW, if you are going to get Asian characters inked, make sure you understand its meaning...I mean 100%. I've seen some silly ones...the person probably didn't fully understand what it meant.

[20droger]

Tattoos are indeed a personal choice, but a life-affecting one. One should, of course, choose wisely when making all such personal choices.

If you have facial tattoos and/or piercings, you probably couldn't get a job at a conservative law firm, no matter how good your courtroom skills may be. IBM doesn't much care for the look, either. Nor do most financial institutions.

On the other hand, if your career choice is working on Harleys, tats and piercing are probably no problem at all. They may even be an asset.

Personally, I don't care for tattoos, with a very few exceptions (exceptional tats on exceptional people). If I were to hire a model for creative work (contrasted to assignment work), I would want one free of body markings and alterations. I would be angry if one showed up with tats without letting me know in advance, as it would be a waste of my time and money, and hers, since I wouldn't pay her. But that's just me.

[gardengirl13]

Then when it's all over, good luck trying to find a job. :-)

Oh...and BTW, if you are going to get Asian characters inked, make sure you understand its meaning...I mean 100%. I've seen some silly ones...the person probably didn't fully understand what it meant.


That's why I like my job, I'm an assistant to a dean at a college and no one has ever said anything about my tattoos, and no they are not hidden. I would never take a job where they say I can't have tattoos. I'd hate the work environment. Here I've had dyed hair and they don't care. One of our library groups has a girl with great dreads (blond hair) and they never say anything either. My husband works with me and has full sleeves and they love it.

And the character thing I agree with! I did research and when my pain dr (who is Mandarin) saw it he loved it! He said it was a great translation.

With tattoos just don't grab something, know what it means and what it stands for. My artist won't do flash, she said that's bad karma. She'll spend hours drawing up my designs.

[xoldboy]

Then when it's all over, good luck trying to find a job. :-)



I disagree,

I worked as a senior teller for citizens bank (i have a lip piercing and multiple tattoos), a few retail shops before that, and now i am one of several managers of a tubing organization that caters to over 100 thousand customers in three months. Granted i am just one person, there are plenty of people who have tattoos in the workplace. There are a lot of places that dont hire people with body art as well, but i dont see many bums walking around philadelphia with tattoos.

[nicksan]

All depends on the job.

While I agree that having tattoos in no way reflects the person's integrity/intelligence, it's just another item that can be used as a "filter". Is it fair? Not really.

It's your choice to judge workplaces where they don't allow visible tattoos. While my workplace doesn't have such policies, if I was interviewing someone for a position that pays 6 figures, I probably would skip the person with the tattoo. I have not encountered one person with an EXPOSED tattoo. Now I know some folks do have them, but they've got it covered. But I work at a financial institution in NYC and it's not for everyone.

It is what it is...

As for the characters, I wasn't singling you out at all. It was just a warning, since I do often time see things that just don't make any sense! People think it's cool because everyone's doing it...:lol:

That's why I like my job, I'm an assistant to a dean at a college and no one has ever said anything about my tattoos, and no they are not hidden. I would never take a job where they say I can't have tattoos. I'd hate the work environment. Here I've had dyed hair and they don't care. One of our library groups has a girl with great dreads (blond hair) and they never say anything either. My husband works with me and has full sleeves and they love it.

And the character thing I agree with! I did research and when my pain dr (who is Mandarin) saw it he loved it! He said it was a great translation.

With tattoos just don't grab something, know what it means and what it stands for. My artist won't do flash, she said that's bad karma. She'll spend hours drawing up my designs.

[nicksan]

I work in a brokerage firm in NYC and I can tell you I have not seen once person with a VISIBLE tattoo. I know many of the folks do have them. Of course. But I've been with the firm for 7 years, and I have never seen a tattoo exposed.

It really depends on the environment. But I can tell you this. If I went to Citibank looking to open up a bank account or maybe buy some stocks or invest in mutual funds, and the person helping me had tats all over his/her arms, nose and lip piercings, etc., I'd probably take my business elsewhere.

You can flame me all you want, but that's reality.

Again, people are free to do what they want. Just make sure you are aware of the POTENTIAL consequences.

I disagree,

I worked as a senior teller for citizens bank (i have a lip piercing and multiple tattoos), a few retail shops before that, and now i am one of several managers of a tubing organization that caters to over 100 thousand customers in three months. Granted i am just one person, there are plenty of people who have tattoos in the workplace. There are a lot of places that dont hire people with body art as well, but i dont see many bums walking around philadelphia with tattoos.

[Jaymz]

My favorite quote "the only difference between tattooed people and non-tattooed people is, tattooed people don't care if you're not tattooed."


Very well stated. Same goes for pierced people. I have 13 piercings. 4 in each ear. 1 in the septum, both nipples, tongue, and a prince albert. I do have a couple tattoos also, they arent viewable for most people.

The septum piercing is the one where I noticed people started looking and talking down to me.

[nicksan]

That shouldn't be surprising.

It's wrong to judge a person based on what you have described, but that's reality for you.

I used to have (like 20 years ago) long hair, wore all black clothing, leather jacket, motorcycle boots, smoke, drink...the whole 9. While that may not be to your extreme, I got the "looks" as well, so I understand. But I also understand why they were looking at me that way and I don't blame them either. Just a natural human reaction.

I mean, if you look like a punk, act like a punk, I'm gonna think you are a punk, even if you are a really nice person inside. Can't blame me for that! ( I am not saying YOU look like a punk...that was just a general statement to make a point!)

I am not even sure why I grew out my hair. Was I making a statement? Probably not. I probably thought it looked "cool". I'm not going to pretend I had a noble cause that made me want to grow it out. Not at all. I was too young and stupid to think that deep.:lol: (Don't remember half of those days!;))

But the one thing I don't regret doing is getting all inked up. Again, nothing against ink. I gotta stress that and I'm sure if I had a few tats in hidden spots, things would have been no different for me. But I am thankful I didn't get "O Z Z Y" inked on my fingers!;):lol:;)

Very well stated. Same goes for pierced people. I have 13 piercings. 4 in each ear. 1 in the septum, both nipples, tongue, and a prince albert. I do have a couple tattoos also, they arent viewable for most people.

The septum piercing is the one where I noticed people started looking and talking down to me.

[DarksideTi]

I disagree,

I worked as a senior teller for citizens bank (i have a lip piercing and multiple tattoos), a few retail shops before that, and now i am one of several managers of a tubing organization that caters to over 100 thousand customers in three months. Granted i am just one person, there are plenty of people who have tattoos in the workplace. There are a lot of places that dont hire people with body art as well, but i dont see many bums walking around philadelphia with tattoos.


I to have worked for Banks and Credit Unions for the last 11yrs, I now am at the management level, while granted I don't have visible tattoos, it is well know that I am extensively tattooed. I let my quality of work, my work ethic, my skills speak for themselves. Given current generation changes, tattooed and heavily tattooed people are progressing through the ranks of management and leadership, and you won't even notice it unless they choose to let you see their art. But be assured, that as these people, and as late generation X and generation Y move up the corporate ladder, rules on tattoos and body modification will loosen.

[birdfromboat]

the only differance between people that own nikons and people that own canons is that people that own canons.........Oh, Nevermind.

[nicksan]

Sure, rules will be implemented by the powers-that-be. Then it will trickle down to the rest of the industry, just like when wall street decided to let go of the suit and necktie attire routine. (Thank goodness!)

It was Fridays during the summer. Then every day for the summer. Then it became permanent. Granted it's not like I can come to the office in shorts but it represents a change in attitude. I don't think I'll ever be able to come into the office in a t-shirt and shorts during the summer...at least not in my lifetime.

But you mentioned "granted I don't have visible tattoos". I think that's the key point...at least today. I agree that perhaps sooner or later people's perception of tattoos will change to a point where it won't matter. Perhaps. But that's not today. At least where I work...

Things always change...

I to have worked for Banks and Credit Unions for the last 11yrs, I now am at the management level, while granted I don't have visible tattoos, it is well know that I am extensively tattooed. I let my quality of work, my work ethic, my skills speak for themselves. Given current generation changes, tattooed and heavily tattooed people are progressing through the ranks of management and leadership, and you won't even notice it unless they choose to let you see their art. But be assured, that as these people, and as late generation X and generation Y move up the corporate ladder, rules on tattoos and body modification will loosen.

[thebishopp]

[quote=gardengirl13;8179404]
Here is the tattoo on my back, it's a poem meaning "to be in good health." I have an auto-immune disease that is attacking my spine so that's where I got it.
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A good point and piece of info is the fact that there are a few cultures that also believe in the significance of this particular type of use of a tattoo. A really good example is the Japanese and how they would tattoo dragons or other symbols to represent power, health, etc. etc. etc. on parts of their body in the beliefe that it transferred that symbols power to the one who was tattooed. Much like how a japanese archer may have a dragon tattooed onto his whole arm... a tradition used a lot by the yakuza.

[Picture North Carolina]

Here you go. This has been all over the internet and radio lately:

The tattoo body map and what your bad decision says about you. (http://www.cracked.com/funny-298-tattoos/)

[DarksideTi]

Sure, rules will be implemented by the powers-that-be. Then it will trickle down to the rest of the industry, just like when wall street decided to let go of the suit and necktie attire routine. (Thank goodness!)

It was Fridays during the summer. Then every day for the summer. Then it became permanent. Granted it's not like I can come to the office in shorts but it represents a change in attitude. I don't think I'll ever be able to come into the office in a t-shirt and shorts during the summer...at least not in my lifetime.

But you mentioned "granted I don't have visible tattoos". I think that's the key point...at least today. I agree that perhaps sooner or later people's perception of tattoos will change to a point where it won't matter. Perhaps. But that's not today. At least where I work...

Things always change...

Exactly! In “Today’s” work environment I have to wear long sleeves to cover the artwork on my arms. But I think it’s a responsibility of myself and other tattooed professionals to challenge the perception of the “Heavily Tattooed Person”, to show that we aren’t a bunch of uneducated thugs, but that we are artists, professionals, family people and positive contributors to society. I think as that new perception is put forth, there will be a loosening of the dress code rules associated with tattoos. Your analogy of the “Suit and Tie” environment is an example of this type of change, as is women being allowed to wear slacks in the work place, 30yrs (some places even less) ago that was unheard of. As society’s views and perceptions change, so does the culture of the workplace, and therefore the acceptable appearance of an employee. Yes, that is probably quite some time off, but I really do think it will come (well, at least it will come to wherever I make my first CEO position, lol).

[irishman]

Check these beautys out, if you dare:

http://www.celebritytattoos.org/weirdest-tattoos/

[pprice]

I have tattoos and have never thought to myself "man I wish I had not done that". Each one of them is from something special I did in my life, or a memory of something.

Mine can't be seen unless I take my shirt off, so most do not know I even have them.

When I do have my shirt off, people will ask about them, and I always have fun stories to tell about each one of them.

I don't really care if people think they look good or not, to me it is like judging someone for how they styled their hair, who really cares....

[RianFlynn]

i have a dinosaur tattood to my chest

[Karl Johnston]

From the sounds of things so far...I guess it's great that I work for myself, eh? :lol:

[20droger]

Check these beautys out, if you dare:

http://www.celebritytattoos.org/weirdest-tattoos/
Ah, yes. True art.

Some of those are just what I want representing me in a court of law. Or perhaps managing my 401K.

I especially like the pubic face. My only question is...WHY!!!!

[canonnewb]

So if i am understanding it correctly,
A- because you have tattoos makes you trendy?
B- having piercings makes you a punk?
C- Having tattoos means your not going to be a good contributer to todays society??

IMO some peoples outlook on tattoos and piercings are very ignorant and clueless. it seems the opinions given seem to be that of very "commerical" or religious views of negativity. With all that aside what differs from a guy or girl that has tattoos or piercings and is a lawyer?? To say a lawyer who doesnt?? i can tell you my family doctor has a half sleeve on the upper portion of his arm, does this make him any less knowledgeable ??


One more thing whats the problem with long hair?? LOL
I mean i can certainly see it now, you see a big guy with long hair and a piercing maybe a couple tats say on the foreman and seems half of the world would run away, really??
Im going to ask a question? Is judging someone on race and ethnicity and different than judging someone who has tattoos, piercings or long hair??

I mean i have long hair and have since I was 11 and am 26 now, i have my labret pierced and had my lip done, i also have 3/4 of my back tattooed and half sleeves on both my arms also I drive a Harley,so I know what it is like to get looks and trust me comparing "those looks" and judgements to someone with long hair is like comparing apples and oranges. Ive gotten pulled over on the harley before and was threatened that I would be taken to the police office for suspicion if I didnt give this certain cop info that i didnt have or have a clue about, but because the hells angels moved into this territory I obviously knew something, are you serious?? This is the same stigmata with tattoos I just dont understand the logic behind it, cause i decide to add a little ink to my body that makes me "different", its just very ignorant and childish to judge someone on appearance like that.

[20droger]

Im going to ask a question? Is judging someone on race and ethnicity and different than judging someone who has tattoos, piercings or long hair??
Breaking my own rule about not responding to people who don't care enough about me, the reader, to attempt to use decent grammar and exercise care in their posting, I shall respond to you, in part.

I agree. It isn't fair that people are judged upon their appearance. But then, in the real world, perception is everything. That is why an accused rapist will, more often than not, have a female lawyer—not because she's a better lawyer, but because she's female.

Going to extremes with tattoos and body piercings virtually screams that one does not wish to conform. I believe you have a perfect right to do so, and gave much blood and pain to support that right, along with the deaths of quite a few close friends.

However, the perception is that an individual with extreme tattoos and/or body modifications is a non-conformist. In a court of law, being represented by a non-conformist lawyer places one strike against you before the trial even begins.

Likewise, most people with money to invest, myself included, do not wish to place their trust in someone who goes against the norm. Investors tend to be conservative (being conservative is how they got to the point where they could be investors). They tend to shy away from those who aren't conservative. Extreme body art and/or modifications does not say "conservative."

Having extreme body art in any form does not ipso facto make one a bad person. It does, however, label one as non-conformist and rebellious. Obtaining such art is a personal choice. Such personal choices are virtually permanent, and public. One should consider carefully when making such choices, taking into account the future, as well as the present.

Having made such choices, one should learn live with them, not incessantly bitch about how unfair it is that they are treated in a less than optimum manner by society. One did it to oneself; society didn't make one do it.

It is exactly equivalent to a college honors student who gets drunk, drives, kills someone, and goes to prison for it. Is he a bad person? Not necessarily. Does it make him less intelligent? No. But he made a decision to drink and drive. He made the decision; no one forced him into it. And he must forever after live with being a convicted felon. And all the stigma that goes with it. Tough! It was his decision to get drunk, it was his decision to drive. He voluntarily became, and shall ever remain, a killer.

So, yes. I'm sorry that you feel that society is unfair to those with extreme tattoos. But if those people don't like the way they are treated by society and need someone to blame, they should look in the mirror. Society's attitudes are not secret. They made choices to go in the face of those attitudes. Well and good. Now they must live with those choices.

Should society change to accomodate them? Absolutely not! They wanted to be different. Well, they are.

Will society change? Absolutely! But not overnight. Such changes in attitudes take generations. I hope they live long if they expect to see fundamental changes in their lifetimes.

Meanwhile, they should quit whining and learn to live with their choices.

[Jaymz]

Very well put Roger.

I have one piercing that made a huge difference in how people see and react to me. If I was really concerned I would remove the jewelry. One thing that has helped me is I live in a small town, very cowboy-ish oriented town, so I stand out. I work for a well know business, I attend and partcipate in school events with my kids, and I help with community events. Doing these things I have my 'face' and my 'attitude' out there for everyone to see, this helps everyone see past the stereotypes of a long haired, pierced, tattoo'd freaks... like myself ;)

[RianFlynn]

I have one tattoo :)

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/3/l_5dda6a681e1920514e65b892e728a6e4.jpg

[obnoxiousmom]

I think tattoos in moderation and places that can be hidden by proper attire are fine. I dont care for full sleeve style tattoos or peircings in the lip, chin or through the septum. Anywhere else is fine with me. Hubby wants a full sleeve and I threaten to never give it up again if he gets one lol (Not seriously) but ughhh....

[Karl Johnston]

Sweet dinosaur!
That is why an accused rapist will, more often than not, have a female lawyer—not because she's a better lawyer, but because she's female.

:lol: Say Whhhhat?

[RianFlynn]

thanks!

[nicksan]

Ignorant? That's a good one.

Trust me. I am pretty tolerating of anything being a former 80's metal head with hair down to my arse smoking, drinking, partying. Perhaps I could have gotten tattoos. I really never felt the need to get tattoos to add meaning to my life or to make some kind of a statemement. I don't need to get tattoos for taht. But even if I did, I wouldn't have gotten it on my fingers, my head, or like Mike Tyson, my face.

So let me ask you this? Mike Tyson and his tattooed face. Someone like that comes into my office nicely dressed, very well spoken, has a qualifying resume. All around nice guy. I take one look at him and his tattooed face and think to myself "What a f*cking idiot".

Does that make me ignorant? If so, then so be it...welcome to the real world.

Sorry...tattoo on the face = good luck finding a REAL job.

Tattoo on the face is a little too extreme? Well, I wonder, where do we draw the line? According to some, it shouldn't matter...except it DOES.

Waaaaa...don't judge me because I have a tattoo on my face...waaaa...:lol:

So if i am understanding it correctly,
A- because you have tattoos makes you trendy?
B- having piercings makes you a punk?
C- Having tattoos means your not going to be a good contributer to todays society??

IMO some peoples outlook on tattoos and piercings are very ignorant and clueless. it seems the opinions given seem to be that of very "commerical" or religious views of negativity. With all that aside what differs from a guy or girl that has tattoos or piercings and is a lawyer?? To say a lawyer who doesnt?? i can tell you my family doctor has a half sleeve on the upper portion of his arm, does this make him any less knowledgeable ??


One more thing whats the problem with long hair?? LOL
I mean i can certainly see it now, you see a big guy with long hair and a piercing maybe a couple tats say on the foreman and seems half of the world would run away, really??
Im going to ask a question? Is judging someone on race and ethnicity and different than judging someone who has tattoos, piercings or long hair??

I mean i have long hair and have since I was 11 and am 26 now, i have my labret pierced and had my lip done, i also have 3/4 of my back tattooed and half sleeves on both my arms also I drive a Harley,so I know what it is like to get looks and trust me comparing "those looks" and judgements to someone with long hair is like comparing apples and oranges. Ive gotten pulled over on the harley before and was threatened that I would be taken to the police office for suspicion if I didnt give this certain cop info that i didnt have or have a clue about, but because the hells angels moved into this territory I obviously knew something, are you serious?? This is the same stigmata with tattoos I just dont understand the logic behind it, cause i decide to add a little ink to my body that makes me "different", its just very ignorant and childish to judge someone on appearance like that.

[nicksan]

So what's the story behind the ink?

I have one tattoo :)

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/3/l_5dda6a681e1920514e65b892e728a6e4.jpg

[shomat]

Well said, Nicksan & 20droger.

We're all free to do whatever we want in this world, and each one of those actions comes with consequences. An essential part of life is the ability to make wise decisions based on the consequences you are willing to accept.

I like tattoos. I'm all for them. I've got them. But none that couldn't be hidden with a short sleeve shirt - none that can't be hidden whenever I choose to do so.

Discrimination is wrong - we can't choose to whom we are born. On the other hand one makes a conscious decision to tattoo their face, hands, neck, etc... and to do so in denial or refusal of the consequences is foolish. As 20droger said, society's attitudes are not secret.

[Veemac]

...We're all free to do whatever we want in this world, and each one of those actions comes with consequences....
The first part of that message is trumpeted from the treetops nowadays. The second (italicized) part seems to have gotten lost in the translation somewhere.

I personally don't have any ink - not because I have anything against it, but because I've never found anything that meant enough to me to have tattooed on my body for the rest of my life, and I wouldn't resort to "flash" art just to say I have a tat.

While tattoos were once considered rebellious/non-conformist, they're quite the opposite nowadays....it's trendy and conformist to have tats, and at least in the area where I live, there seem to be more people with ink than without it.

[20droger]

Yep. Very trendy. Also very sad and foolish, to deface one's body for a trend or fad.

I know a young lady who got a job as a paralegal at a very conservative law firm (specializing in corporate law). One of the hiring conditions (in writing) was that, if you had body art, you must wear clothing to prevent any client from seeing that body art at any time under any circumstance. Failure to do so would result in immediate dismissal.

One day, after over a year of good service, she wore a loose blouse to work. In the course of the day, she bent to pick up something from the floor, and the blouse revealed to the senior partner and a client that she had a tramp stamp.

She was fired, without notice, as soon as the client left.

[Sparky98]

I think tatoos and piercings are a personal choice.

Personally I don't like tatoos and piercings.

[fotoworx]

I personally don't like them and would never get one, but I don't judge other who do.

[haisai-ojisan]

Tattos: I dig them. But I think it really depends on where they are at and what they are of. I guess the person is trying to express themselves. And I believe it would be even better if the viewer translated it in the same way. Whether it is sexy or not, is up to the each and every one who sees it to decide.

I have yet to shoot a person with a tatto or covered with 'em. But it is on my list and can't wait.

Personally wouldn't get one. I almost did from my neck to my arse crack when I was in my early 30s. Now in my late 30s, I am so glad that I didn't. I'm an onsen (hot springs) freak and I would have to kill myself if I had a tattoo. 99% public onsens in Japan do not let folks with tattoos in their facility. And the thought of not being able to go to them.....aaahhhh~

[gardengirl13]

All depends on the job.

While I agree that having tattoos in no way reflects the person's integrity/intelligence, it's just another item that can be used as a "filter". Is it fair? Not really.

It's your choice to judge workplaces where they don't allow visible tattoos. While my workplace doesn't have such policies, if I was interviewing someone for a position that pays 6 figures, I probably would skip the person with the tattoo. I have not encountered one person with an EXPOSED tattoo. Now I know some folks do have them, but they've got it covered. But I work at a financial institution in NYC and it's not for everyone.

It is what it is...

As for the characters, I wasn't singling you out at all. It was just a warning, since I do often time see things that just don't make any sense! People think it's cool because everyone's doing it...:lol:


Hey man don't fret! I didn't think you were doing that I was just commenting on it.

It's actually kind of fun having tattoos. In my job people don't expect it. You work in a library and everyone thinks conservative librarian and then they see me sitting at my desk working. Then they see me away from work or with a shirt on that reveals the tattoos and they all have to ask about them.

I live in an area north of NYC where it is somewhat conservative. It's fun going to antiques fairs or flower shows and frighten the other people there! Sure there are a lot of tattoos locally, but it's still not the norm. Especially the places I go. I'm a gardener and like to visit the local gardens. We got to lots of places were it's not common. We went to a mansion last week and the young lady who took our tickets to get in loved our tattoos. She commented on how nice they looked and how we're the most colorful people there. It's kind of fun!

[chauncey]

Would you want your child under the care of a physician with exposed tattoos...not me.
Possible lack of personal judgement carrying forward to their work judgement?

[DarksideTi]

Just because this is an interesting exchange of ideas, thoughts and opinions, let me throw one more thing out there. It has been mentioned that Tattoos and body modification are personal choices, and those personal choices can come with consequences. But isn’t ones choice of religion also a personal choice? As a society, we tend to push for religious freedoms, the freedom to practice what we choose as individuals to believe. Many religions also have visible indicators of their religion and/or traditions therein, which could be anything from a cross worn around the neck, a beard, a skullcap, some ash on the forehead, the list goes on. Many of these things are an outward expression of what the wear holds dear and of who the wearer is. Granted it is possible for the member of any religion to suffer persecution or mislead perception based on the outward show of their faith. But religious persecution and/or discrimination are considered unacceptable. Why then should the wearer of a tattoo be discriminated against because they choose to have an outward expression of who they are? I am not under the illusion that the guy with the devil tattooed on his neck is going to get the Executive VP position at the local financial institution anytime soon (sadly regardless of experience/education), but personally, I’d rather be a voice for change, rather then a sheep for status quo. I say all of this, not to instantly change anyone’s mind, and I’m not crying “Woe is the tattooed folk”, but rather, I question the status quo as tattoos in the work place are concerned. I challenge you to not look at what’s “wrong” with tattooed people, but rather what’s “right”.

[nicksan]

Now is that some form of discrimination?

Not in my book. The lady was made aware of the policies in place. She made the decision to get herself inked. That was a personal decision and I'm fine with that. I'm also fine with the firm letting her go.

The fact is, TODAY, like it or not, tattoos do not represent conservative and responsible thinking. Perhaps it's unfortunate. But I find it rather humorous to read some of the outcry about tattoo discrimination, as if one never had a choice in the matter. Let's not lump this together with racial and sexual discrimination.

Tattoos are trendy. If I had to guess, I'd say more than half got one for the "coolness" factor. Again, that's fine. I don't really give too much credit to the public at large anyways. I've got nothing against personal choices like that. The only problem I have is reading about those who complain about being discriminated against.

Hey, I might even get one who knows? But if I ever do, it will be very carefully placed.

Yep. Very trendy. Also very sad and foolish, to deface one's body for a trend or fad.

I know a young lady who got a job as a paralegal at a very conservative law firm (specializing in corporate law). One of the hiring conditions (in writing) was that, if you had body art, you must wear clothing to prevent any client from seeing that body art at any time under any circumstance. Failure to do so would result in immediate dismissal.

One day, after over a year of good service, she wore a loose blouse to work. In the course of the day, she bent to pick up something from the floor, and the blouse revealed to the senior partner and a client that she had a tramp stamp.

She was fired, without notice, as soon as the client left.

[nicksan]

I completely disagree.

Religion IS NOT always a personal choice. Of course there are lots of folks who made a conscious choice to believe in a specific religion, but IMO, most of the time you are born into religion.

So I wouldn't call that a personal choice. But let's not get started on religion. That's very dangerous!:lol:

Tattoos are 100% a personal choice. There are no doubts about it. You make a very conscious decision to get a tattoo. (Unless you are drunk.:D)

When it comes to the workplace, especially in a corporate environment, you don't have the luxury of "getting to know" someone. You look at a resume, you look at the attire and other aspects of the representation and you DO make a little bit of a flash judgment. Is it unfortunate? Not really. You've got so many resume's and candidates coming in, that's all you could do. If I had some guy come in with tats all over his arms and some on his neck, I'll be honest with you, I'd be thinking about the next candidate. It could literally be anything that could cause you to lose the opportunity. Long hair. Unshaven face. The wrong necktie. Not well spoken. Sweating. Overconfidence.

You can say "well, I don't want to work for that kind of company anyways", but the reality is that company doesn't give a rat's arse about how you feel and will happily move on the next candidate.

That's reality.

Knowing that, if someone decides to get a facial tattoo, then I'd say go for it! I just don't want to hear the whining that's all.:lol:

Just because this is an interesting exchange of ideas, thoughts and opinions, let me throw one more thing out there. It has been mentioned that Tattoos and body modification are personal choices, and those personal choices can come with consequences. But isn’t ones choice of religion also a personal choice? As a society, we tend to push for religious freedoms, the freedom to practice what we choose as individuals to believe. Many religions also have visible indicators of their religion and/or traditions therein, which could be anything from a cross worn around the neck, a beard, a skullcap, some ash on the forehead, the list goes on. Many of these things are an outward expression of what the wear holds dear and of who the wearer is. Granted it is possible for the member of any religion to suffer persecution or mislead perception based on the outward show of their faith. But religious persecution and/or discrimination are considered unacceptable. Why then should the wearer of a tattoo be discriminated against because they choose to have an outward expression of who they are? I am not under the illusion that the guy with the devil tattooed on his neck is going to get the Executive VP position at the local financial institution anytime soon (sadly regardless of experience/education), but personally, I’d rather be a voice for change, rather then a sheep for status quo. I say all of this, not to instantly change anyone’s mind, and I’m not crying “Woe is the tattooed folk”, but rather, I question the status quo as tattoos in the work place are concerned. I challenge you to not look at what’s “wrong” with tattooed people, but rather what’s “right”.

[DarksideTi]

Now is that some form of discrimination?

Not in my book. The lady was made aware of the policies in place. She made the decision to get herself inked. That was a personal decision and I'm fine with that. I'm also fine with the firm letting her go.

The fact is, TODAY, like it or not, tattoos do not represent conservative and responsible thinking. Perhaps it's unfortunate. But I find it rather humorous to read some of the outcry about tattoo discrimination, as if one never had a choice in the matter. Let's not lump this together with racial and sexual discrimination.

Tattoos are trendy. If I had to guess, I'd say more than half got one for the "coolness" factor. Again, that's fine. I don't really give too much credit to the public at large anyways. I've got nothing against personal choices like that. The only problem I have is reading about those who complain about being discriminated against.

Hey, I might even get one who knows? But if I ever do, it will be very carefully placed.

Very true, lumping tattoo/modification discrimination in with racial, sexual discrimination is neither correct nor beneficial to anyone. That’s why I use religion as a parallel, though cultural discrimination is not to far off either. Just to clarify as well, I don’t like the “I have tattoos so you have to accept me whaa whaaa” people. Hell, people give me dirty looks all the time, if I couldn’t handle that, then I would not have ever been tattooed. But I will debate and discuss tattoos culture all day long! Lol

[DarksideTi]

I completely disagree.

Religion IS NOT always a personal choice. Of course there are lots of folks who made a conscious choice to believe in a specific religion, but IMO, most of the time you are born into religion.

So I wouldn't call that a personal choice. But let's not get started on religion. That's very dangerous!:lol:

Tattoos are 100% a personal choice. There are no doubts about it. You make a very conscious decision to get a tattoo. (Unless you are drunk.:D)

When it comes to the workplace, especially in a corporate environment, you don't have the luxury of "getting to know" someone. You look at a resume, you look at the attire and other aspects of the representation and you DO make a little bit of a flash judgment. Is it unfortunate? Not really. You've got so many resume's and candidates coming in, that's all you could do. If I had some guy come in with tats all over his arms and some on his neck, I'll be honest with you, I'd be thinking about the next candidate. It could literally be anything that could cause you to lose the opportunity. Long hair. Unshaven face. The wrong necktie. Not well spoken. Sweating. Overconfidence.

You can say "well, I don't want to work for that kind of company anyways", but the reality is that company doesn't give a rat's arse about how you feel and will happily move on the next candidate.

That's reality.

Knowing that, if someone decides to get a facial tattoo, then I'd say go for it! I just don't want to hear the whining that's all.:lol:



Yeah…we won’t go down the “Religion Path”, that would be bad all around! :lol: Admittedly due to the current state of society, I would not hire someone who has extensive/visible tattoos either, though they maybe a solid candidate, the social perception is still a huge deal in the market, like you said "Long hair. Unshaven face ,The wrong necktie. Not well spoken. Sweating. Overconfidence.", those things do get lumped together to a certain degree. I do though, appreciate you candor, I like hearing opinions from both sides of the table, it makes for good debate, and makes the slow days here at work go faster!

[20droger]

Yeah…we won’t go down the “Religion Path”, that would be bad all around! :lol: Admittedly due to the current state of society, I would not hire someone who has extensive/visible tattoos either, though they maybe a solid candidate, the social perception is still a huge deal in the market, like you said "Long hair. Unshaven face ,The wrong necktie. Not well spoken. Sweating. Overconfidence.", those things do get lumped together to a certain degree. I do though, appreciate you candor, I like hearing opinions from both sides of the table, it makes for good debate, and makes the slow days here at work go faster!
Which, of course, brings up another form of "discrimination"; people getting fired for screwing around at work instead of working.

[nicksan]

How dare they!
Talk about discrimination! They'd have to fire about 80% of the workforce! :lol:;):lol:

Which, of course, brings up another form of "discrimination"; people getting fired for screwing around at work instead of working.

[20droger]

Well, times are tough right now, and many companies are looking to cut corners. So, if you're such a boss and you have two employees, one who spends his days working hard and one who spends his days screwing around online....

[DarksideTi]

Well, times are tough right now, and many companies are looking to cut corners. So, if you're such a boss and you have two employees, one who spends his days working hard and one who spends his days screwing around online....

To some degree, employees should be encouraged to “Screw Around”. Companies are looking for more production and employee retention (there are HUGE bottom line benefits in those 2 areas), show me someone who takes some time out of their day to do something personal (i.e check their favorite website, call a friend, do a crossword), and I’ll show you a more productive, happy employee. Granted, if you allow personal stuff to affect your production, or the level of service to the customer, then get ready to feel the axe.

(Whoa, went a little off topic there :lol: )

[nicksan]

What if you are the boss who spends his days screwing around online?
(So are you calling spending time in POTN "screwing around online"?;):lol:)
Well, times are tough right now, and many companies are looking to cut corners. So, if you're such a boss and you have two employees, one who spends his days working hard and one who spends his days screwing around online....

[DarksideTi]

What if you are the boss who spends his days screwing around online?
(So are you calling spending time in POTN "screwing around online"?;):lol:)

I call it research into economic factors, possibility of Market penetration, and plausible lending projections in the Photography Industry. So….how about a loan for some new L-Glass?

(wow....now we are WAY off topic) :lol:

[gardengirl13]

My boss is a huge IM freak, he spends way too much time on personal calls and every other thing employees do the waste time. This last week he spent all his free time looking at some puzzle game a co-worker put in the staff room.

And yes in my book any time online is screwing around.

[gardengirl13]

Very well stated. Same goes for pierced people. I have 13 piercings. 4 in each ear. 1 in the septum, both nipples, tongue, and a prince albert. I do have a couple tattoos also, they arent viewable for most people.

The septum piercing is the one where I noticed people started looking and talking down to me.

wow a prince albert! Ouch!

My husband had his septum done and had a very small horse-shoe type ring that he could shove up his nose to hide it. But he let it close. He also had a labret but it bothered his mouth too much and took that out too. Now he only has stretched ears, not much just to 8's.

[superstes]

Ignorant? That's a good one.

Trust me. I am pretty tolerating of anything being a former 80's metal head with hair down to my arse smoking, drinking, partying. Perhaps I could have gotten tattoos. I really never felt the need to get tattoos to add meaning to my life or to make some kind of a statemement. I don't need to get tattoos for taht. But even if I did, I wouldn't have gotten it on my fingers, my head, or like Mike Tyson, my face.

So let me ask you this? Mike Tyson and his tattooed face. Someone like that comes into my office nicely dressed, very well spoken, has a qualifying resume. All around nice guy. I take one look at him and his tattooed face and think to myself "What a f*cking idiot".

Does that make me ignorant? If so, then so be it...welcome to the real world.

Sorry...tattoo on the face = good luck finding a REAL job.

Tattoo on the face is a little too extreme? Well, I wonder, where do we draw the line? According to some, it shouldn't matter...except it DOES.

Waaaaa...don't judge me because I have a tattoo on my face...waaaa...:lol:


I have worked for and integrated more disfigured people into society than me by your standards, helping them overcome social prejudices by people like you.

These are real people living in the real world.

Financial INSTITUTIONS like you belong to have ground the world into a depression, your more marked than us, long hair part timer.

[chauncey]

Your equating disfigurement with a ego lacking child.

[superstes]

Your equating disfigurement with a ego lacking child.

Not at all.

Social prejudiced is a whole, who sets the bench mark.

[superstes]

Your equating disfigurement with a ego lacking child.

ego lacking child, I have known many who have given months of their lives selflessly to those that need a friend before they die, these have been a mixture of tat and non tat people, myself included (marked), no ego (lacking or not) there my friend, just humanity.

Bad call by nicksan

[nicksan]

Prejudices by people like me?

It's very ironic that you would say that. Do you know me? Do you know what I look like? Nope. You read my posts, and completely misinterpreted all of them and labeled me as someone with prejudiced views. My, my, how quick you were at passing judgment on me. Then you had to...just had to mention your noble work right?

IMO, that makes you guilty of the very thing you accuse me of.

I've got a sister in law who has a learning disability, an uncle and aunt who are hearing impaired, and several other so-called "skeletons in the closet", so I know a thing or two about disabled people.

So yeah, thanks for the lesson.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

I work for a bank. I work my butt off to feed my family. You have something against that?

Take your cynical thoughts elsewhere...PLEASE.:rolleyes:

I have worked for and integrated more disfigured people into society than me by your standards, helping them overcome social prejudices by people like you.

These are real people living in the real world.

Financial INSTITUTIONS like you belong to have ground the world into a depression, your more marked than us, long hair part timer.

[Mark_Cohran]

This is getting off topic and bordering on personal attacks. Let's keep it civil and on topic, please.

[chauncey]

My bad, my last response should have ended with a question mark, rather than a period.

"Getting a tattoo is by CHOICE.
Disfigurement is NOT by CHOICE."

I can empathize with nicksan. See my profile, they're cognitively impaired.

[canonnewb]

Why dont you look at it through a different angle. Maybe tattoos are not a fad maybe people realize now that they might be more acceptible in todays judgmental society, IMO if tattoos were a fad they would not have been around for ummm some 5000 years.
Also yes i think alot of people are ignorant towards people with tats in particular.
lets define "ignorance": Ignorance is the state in which one lacks knowledge, is unaware of something or chooses to subjectively ignore information. I'm sure everyone is really good at what they do cause that is their career but sorry to burst ALOT of peoples bubble but tattoos ARE accepted in today's society, despite what you think you may know, you really cant speak for everyone else. Look it up, you will find CEO'S with sleeves, lawyers with full back pieces pass their ass down their legs, doctors with half sleeves, the proof is there. So to be honest I think SOME are completely IGNORANT on what "todays" society thinks.

[canonnewb]

20droger, u really have a point 2 prove i c. No one asked you to respond to me and to be honest the garble that comes out of your mouth makes you seem like a really nice fella, someone that I really care what they say. But thanx for giving me the privilege of having 20droger respond to me I feel like im around royalty. :blush:

[rklepper]

Tattoos are great if they have some meaning. It is just when they are random and done just for the sake of having a tattoo that they seem to take on any kind of a negative connotation.

[superstes]

My, my, how quick you were at passing judgment on me.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

You have issues, I'm outta here.

[Gibbo]

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

You have issues, I'm outta here.

Well, at least that's over...

What was this thread about again?? Something about tattoos? :)

[shomat]

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

You have issues, I'm outta here.

I dunno about that, Nick seems like one of the most level-headed people I've met in a while.

[MikeFairbanks]

I don't know. I guess it depends.

My sister has about seven tattoos. One on each arm, a couple on the back, and a couple on the legs. I think they look bad, and none of them are original (some art somebody else made up) and none of them seem to be personal to her. They're just something she liked at the time she walked into the place.


I can see if you're in Iraq in the military, and you get one. That's significant. Or if you're in the Navy or something.

I've seen NBA players with LAkers on their shoulder or whatnot, and I can see that.


But getting a Cat in the Hat (my sister) on her back just looks dumb (IMO). She isn't a big fan of Dr. Suess or anything.


I am 40 and don't have any. But if I did it would be a bar code that said "Buy one get one free" or something stupid like that.

[shomat]

I think they look bad, and none of them are original (some art somebody else made up) and none of them seem to be personal to her.

That's the kind of tattoo I wouldn't get. I have one - it's a traditional Celtic symbol, but I drew it myself. And another that I'm contemplating is a completely original drawing.

[DozerLYP]

for a girl, 1 or 2 is ok, but behind that it become unattractive.

[natalieegbert]

I think it depends on where and what they are of. I have two curretly and both have sentimental value to me. I have a dragon on my shoulder my husband drew it for me and my deceased brothers name with angel wings on my right wrist and I love them both and would never ask for them to be photoshoped out of any of my pictures. My wedding photographer for my wedding actually took some good ones displaying my shoulder tattoo in my strapless dress and I was happy with them.
I think that tattoos are something the person should consider for a long time before comitting to it. I thought about mine for a long while before actually getting them done.

[Gibbo]

Personally i think that tattoos, piercings, hair-style, dress sense, all emphasise character in a person. I think as people we are too quick to judge what a person covered in tattoos is like on the inside.

Although, i said before.. I think if you ask different generations of people, the answers will be significantly different as it tends the older guys and girls don't prefer tattoos, whereas it's not so disliked with younger people, as tattoo's are quickly becoming fashionable.

[FocalPrincess]

imo it depends on the model, type of shoot and the tattoo(s). Could be lovely, could be quite offensive.