Afordable cameras with full frame sensor?

[simen]

Does anyone know if Canon is about to make an afordable camera with a full frame sensor? In a year or two? I would love to see a D60 with a full frame sensor for $2000-3000. Wouldn't you?

[jmublueduck]

it's very likely that'll happen in a year or two... if you can wait that long. i'd take advantage of what you have access to today & keep shooting photos :) it's not ALL about the equipment... but yes, i agree with ya.

[robertwgross]

simen wrote:
Does anyone know if Canon is about to make an afordable camera with a full frame sensor? In a year or two? I would love to see a D60 with a full frame sensor for $2000-3000. Wouldn't you?

Rather than being concerned about something that I have no control over, I find it more positive to simply take advantage of the good side of the situation. The x1.6 factor is helpful on the long side of the zoom lens. When the lens is already zoomed out to 500mm and can't go any farther, then it is effectively getting me to 800mm. Now, all I have to do is to find the trailer for this damned lens.

---Bob Gross---

[dbarthel]

I'm also in the camp that thinks full frame may not be a blessing because of 1) telephoto multiplier, and 2) more importantly, the smaller sensors use the best part of the image circle. Add to that the fact that the D60 has the best pixel density, and I'm really happy with my images. What is badly needed, however, is much better autofocus and exposure AKA the EOS-3, so what I'm really hoping for from Canon is an EOS-3D with a sensor with a 1.3 to 1.6 multiplier.

Dan

[FieldingMelish]

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I find it more positive to simply take advantage of the good side of the situation. The x1.6 factor is helpful on the long side of the zoom lens. When the lens is already zoomed out to 500mm and can't go any farther, then it is effectively getting me to 800mm. Now, all I have to do is to find the trailer for this damned lens.

---Bob Gross---


*sigh* Why does the misunderstanding of this concept keep coming up? The 1.6 multiplier does not give you additional telephoto power... All it tells you is what you effective field of view is. With a 500mm lens on a D60, you do not get the telephoto power of an 800mm lens. You get the narrower field of view of the 800mm. Somebody described it once as follows: look out a window and note the edge of what you can see. Now close the drapes by a factor of 1.6...your field of view is cut down on the sides. You certainly don't see the remaining open part of the window any better.

[defordphoto]

Bob did say: then it is effectively getting me to 800mm. Which is the proper way to term the 1.6x crop effect.

One thing I like about it is that it uses the 'sweet spot' of all your lenses. The drawback is you lose wide angle. It's a trade-off and one we learn to work with.

[Dans_D60]

I have been reading zoom multiplier vs. crop all over the web. Does it really matter? A few images with my D60 using 100-400 IS lens from 200 yards and hand-held. Don’t care if the image is cropped or multiplied …but really doubt I would have enough image to trim (crop) in Photoshop and still hold decent resolution without the 1.6X .. of course 6 megapixels helps!
Dan

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[Ralf Jannke]

I bet it happens 2003... The production of the D 60 stopped, the German ebay list contains a lot of used and brandnew D 60 bodies. I like my D 60 very much and 6 megapixels are enough for a A3-print, but I really hope for a bigger Sensor. The best would of course be a 3600x2400 Pixel (8,6 MP) 1:1/1,0 CMOS. But I could easy live with a 6 MP 1,3 CMOS. My 17-35 mm would become a 22-46 mm, an affordable 15-30 mm Sigma brings real superwideangle: 19,5 mm. And I hope for - still - ISO 1000!!! Let´s see what happens on the German cebit and the US PMA…
Ralf Jannke/Bonn/Germany

[DVWarrior]

Let's be serious here...
All of us using a D60, S2, D100 etc are happy with the quality of the 6mp sensor...ok...there is no dispute.
What we are unhappy with is the compromise we must make when choosing a good lens.

1. If we had lots of money we would all have "L" glass but we don't, we all live in the real world.

2. Our trusty WA lens the 24-28mm is no longer an option with the smaller sensor...ok we get the "best" from the lens ie. the centre but it crops it down to a 35-40mm angle of view...not nearly wide enough.

So what are our options...
Other branded lenses....Ekkk to some of you..!!!
I can say that Sigma in my opinion have come leaps and bounds in the last few years and I see more and more pros using Sigma lenses.
They are also very good value for money, a 20-40mm f2.8 Aspherical lens 10 years ago from anyone would cost thousands...so why moan.

We moan because we are compromising all the time with Digital and I think Canon have had a lot of flak over the 1.6 conversion.

Why should anyone spending £2000 on a so called 35mm digital SLR have to compromise when you buy a lens...we are all driven by MEGA PIXELS...Oh the D60 has 6MP it must be good...CRAP.

Pro SLR 35mm is a foundation that should not be messed around with...if you buy an EOS-5 and 24mm lens you get good 24mm full frame pictures.
So far Pro SLR digital has tampered with this foundation and set rules to Canon's cost.

You have all been taken in by the hype and by the luck that the 6mp sensor in the Canon was a decent one.
This forum is full of "Do you think I should buy this lens"
people to frightened to make a mistake because the sensor has been a compromise from day one.

Canon have had their fingers burnt with this stupid sensor and I recon they have just discovered a way of making lots of 35mm full frame low cost sensors and have dropped the D60 like a hot potato.

[Longwatcher]

Just a quick note on my thoughts on the matter.

The reason I do not mind the x1.6 factor is that the sensors are currently the primary limitation of the camera versus the cost (Given way too much money, I can get a 100MP sensor) If the same sensor was used in full frame mode I suspect it would be the equivilalent of a 4MP sensor versus 6.3 (I don't feel like doing the math to figure out the exact number). Therefore, to me it is the equivilant of a zoom ability at the sacrifice of wide angle capability. I get higher resolution within the field of view then I would if the sensor was used in FF camera. I realize it is a crop, especially when using the wide angle lenses, but when doing telephoto work, I will continue to treat it as a zoom.

That said, I will eventualy want a full frame sensor to take full advantage of the lens at some point. I have read somewhere that the 35mm lens format is physics limited to about 25MP maximum (although I believe it will go to twice that, before it hits its sales limits due to better ability to manipulate the sensor data or at least the consumers). Sometime before that point I will expect the sensors to become full frame.