New 70-200 f/2.8 L IS - 24-70L IS, and 100mm Macro IS?

[robie]

I went in to check my shipping status at my local photography store and it turned out that Canon has canceled the shipment and the people at the store is thinking because they might be bringing out a new one just like Nikon. Does anyone know if this is true or not?

[Jim G]

Check out the rumours forum. Nobody knows what Canon is up to other than Canon.

[timnosenzo]

I went in to check my shipping status at my local photography store and it turned out that Canon has canceled the shipment and the people at the store is thinking because they might be bringing out a new one just like Nikon. Does anyone know if this is true or not?

Just like Nikon? Explain.... http://www.dgrin.com/images/smilies/ear.gif

[zoom_zoom]

... anything is possible.

[rdcamero]

This is a great selling lens.I don't see where they could really change much except for the newer version of IS.

[bps]

Not to be rude, but there's a rumor forum for this. You may get better responses in there.

Bryan

[robie]

Sorry, I didn't look good enough to see the rumor forum. And what I meant by Nikon is doing the same is because they are coming out with a new 70-200.

[wytwolf]

Well I can pretty much guarantee a new Canon 70-200mm 2.8 IS will be released within the next 2-3 months....how do i know? Because I just bought the current model ;). LOL j/k. But really that rumor has been around for months if not years. I remember hearing that last fall claiming that it was discontinued and that the new one will have the same 4 stop IS as the F4 version.

But seriously the 2.8 IS is not even 10 years old with no sign of decrease in sales (many places were sold out for most if not all of the latest rebate), the moto "if it ain't broken don't fix it comes to mind".

[4x4rock]

Maybe Canon cancelled the shipment because that store didn't pay the invoices? :)

[Yeoer]

Maybe Canon cancelled the shipment because that store didn't pay the invoices? :)


Thats more likely..

[Kuma]

New version has improved optics, updated coatings on the front element, 5 stop IS and they've added another switch that when pressed lights up the red ring and plays the hamsterdance song!

[silvex]

Once it comes out...it will fly -ff the shelves...probably and improved version like the 24LMkII.

[silvex]

I went in to check my shipping status at my local photography store and it turned out that Canon has canceled the shipment and the people at the store is thinking because they might be bringing out a new one just like Nikon. Does anyone know if this is true or not?

BTW did you get your money back ? Also ask them to see Canon's "cancelation" notice.

[robie]

BTW did you get your money back ? Also ask them to see Canon's "cancelation" notice. I didn't put any money down on it because I am a frequent customer so they know I will pay it. All of Canons stuff is back ordered so maybe that is a problem that is affecting it? He showed me it has been canceled and apologized and gave me some more store locations to get it.

[iAMB]

good, it means that i might be able to afford the current model when the new one comes out and people are selling to upgrade

[dolina]

If I was Canon the 70-200/2.8L IS would be updated long after I upgraded these lenses first.

Canon EF 35mm f/1.4L USM

http://www.usa.canon.com/app/images/lens/ef35_14lu_586x225.jpg

Canon EF 135mm f/2L USM

http://www.usa.canon.com/app/images/lens/ef135_2lu_586x225.jpg

Canon EF 180mm f/3.5L Macro USM

http://www.usa.canon.com/app/images/lens/ef180_35lmu_586x225.jpg

Canon EF 400mm f/2.8L IS

http://www.usa.canon.com/app/images/lens/ef400_28lisu_586x225.jpg

Canon EF 500mm f/4L IS

http://www.usa.canon.com/app/images/lens/ef500_4lisu_586x225.jpg

Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS

http://www.usa.canon.com/app/images/lens/ef600_4lisu_586x225.jpg

[timnosenzo]

If I was Canon the 70-200/2.8L IS would be updated long after I upgraded these lenses first.


35L will likely be updated soon if I had to guess. The 100-400 REALLY needs an update, and the 24-70 could use an update as well. Not sure what needs updating on the 135L and 180L Macro, they may be older designs but the IQ is still excellent.

[RavenG]

I kinda wish they would make the 400mm f2.8 into a 2.0 or 1.8....but that's just me.

[silvex]

I kinda wish they would make the 400mm f2.8 into a 2.0 or 1.8....but that's just me.

Now you are talking!! but it would be 14lbs and $14K

[gary88]

Now you are talking!! but it would be 14lbs and $14K

and the front element would have its own zip code

[Stealthy Ninja]

http://www.canonrumors.com/2009/07/70-200-f2-8l-is-discontinuation-confirmed/

Canon rumors seems to suggest it's discontinued...

I hope so. Because I'm waiting for this lens to be replaced. ;)

[CyberDyneSystems]

Now you are talking!! but it would be 14lbs and $14K

It already is 14 lbs @ f/2.8.. the lens described above would be double that!

[djharmonix]

...

He says its has re-designed lens elements, new IS.

the macro I cannot remember if it's F2 or F2.8 but its an L series 100mm!!

TBA in August.

[heycow]

Source (that has "canon.com" in the URL)?

[gjl711]

Agree, need a source. This has floated around for a few days and been pretty much discounted as an error.

[djharmonix]

Agree, need a source. This has floated around for a few days and been pretty much discounted as an error.

well, many new items are known to arrive before the official statement.

This is one of them. Believe me or not, I dont care, those are the words from Gary, the head Canon rep for eastern Canada.

[djharmonix]

Agree, need a source. This has floated around for a few days and been pretty much discounted as an error.

btw it is not discontinued and wont be for a little bit, even when the mkII is gonna be produced.

[heycow]

Guess we'll just have to wait till August. :)

[djharmonix]

Guess we'll just have to wait till August. :)

yeah well i didnt really post this to brag or anything, more to help people make a decision if they were about to buy the MK1. Now they know that a new one is coming!

[heycow]

Hey no problem, always fun to hear the rumors and see what turns out to be legit. August isn't too far off, so we'll see... :)

You know that 99.999999999999999% of the "I heard it from _______ (someone REALLY high up in Canon)" rumors are bogus, so you have to expect that most people will take the "wait and see" attitude. :)

[djharmonix]

yeah for sure!!

But many people here know me, ive been working in camera stores for over 5 years, I wouldnt post this if I didnt hear it directly from a Canon exec. This is not something i heard from someone who heard it from someone who heard it from.... yaddi yadda

and its just a lens release.. no biggy!

He wouldnt tell me about the 60D or anything else! Even tho he kinda aknowledged about a 60D with video function.

[RDKirk]

well, many new items are known to arrive before the official statement.

Really? "Many?" From Canon? I can't think of any new items that have ever arrived before the official announcement.

[djharmonix]

not products that arrived, products that we knew about, we got every spec before the official announcement. Last one for me was the 5D2 we know a few weeks in advance!

[cfibanez]

This sucks. Just two weeks after I get my copy of this lens. :mad:

Canon is definitely not listening to its base. Nobody cried for a new 70-200L telezoom. What we all want is a replacement of the 100-400L.

[wickerprints]

Why does it suck? If Canon doesn't update it, then you've lost nothing and gained nothing. You got what you bought. If Canon does update it, then you can always sell your copy and buy the new one. It might cost you some additional money, but that's the cost of having a copy right now, and to be able to upgrade later. If you keep what you have, you still haven't lost anything, because you got what you paid for.

I too bought a 70-200/2.8L IS in the last month. That's how I'm looking at it. If I really want the new one I'm willing to take a significant hit on selling this one. You're actually lucky--the ones who bought this lens years ago and have now scuffed it up won't be able to sell theirs for anywhere near as much as people who just bought theirs, who can probably still get most of its value back.

[gjl711]

Canon is definitely not listening to its base. Nobody cried for a new 70-200L telezoom. What we all want is a replacement of the 100-400L.This is definitely true. The 70-200 is one fine lens as is. The 100-400 is in a real need of a face lift.

[CyberDyneSystems]

I'll believe it when I see it,


....but I will comment that indeed, the 100-400mm is much older and more in need of an update.

I mean there is ONE 100-400mm, and currently 4 versions of the 70-200mm...

[Palladium]

Well if a new lens is announced it probably will command a premium price like some other ver II's.

So you'll have the crowd that are happy they bought a ver I at a cheaper price compared to the new ver II.

You'll have a company "canon" that is happy because they are generating more revenue from one of their most popular lens.

And you'll have the crowd that wants the new ver II but are upset because they don't want to pay the significant price increase...

[Clint3200]

Well, my current version 2.8IS is set to arrive on Thursday. Which ever way the rumors turn out, I think it was OK to go ahead and get this one. I doubt there will be a 200 rebate when/if a new version comes out and the price will probably be higher to boot.

[cfibanez]

Why does it suck? If Canon doesn't update it, then you've lost nothing and gained nothing. You got what you bought. If Canon does update it, then you can always sell your copy and buy the new one. It might cost you some additional money, but that's the cost of having a copy right now, and to be able to upgrade later. If you keep what you have, you still haven't lost anything, because you got what you paid for.

I too bought a 70-200/2.8L IS in the last month. That's how I'm looking at it. If I really want the new one I'm willing to take a significant hit on selling this one. You're actually lucky--the ones who bought this lens years ago and have now scuffed it up won't be able to sell theirs for anywhere near as much as people who just bought theirs, who can probably still get most of its value back.

It still sucks. :mad:

[kauffman v36]

being as i have yet to catch the L fever this might be the bug that gets me. i have the 70-300 IS USM but the AF and lack of low light ability makes it hard to photograph evening football games. if/when this mkII comes out i will for once shell out the premium instead of looking for the bargain.

[bps]

In spite of everyone thinking that the 100-400 should receive an update first, consider this: the 70-200 is an extremely popular focal length, so Canon stands to make more by updating a lens that has high-volume sales...

Bryan

[djharmonix]

you're right, with the rumor of a Nikon 70-200 with Nano coating and improved VR, it's great that Canon took the proactive way instead of coming back with an answer a year later..

[Tom W]

This is one of Canon's best zooms. I don't think it needs updating, but maybe pros in the field are seeing something that I am not seeing.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to seeing what they bring out in August.

The potential for an f/2 100 mm Macro is interesting. The present 100/2.8 macro is an exceptional lens.

[nphsbuckeye]

you're right, with the rumor of a Nikon 70-200 with Nano coating and improved VR, it's great that Canon took the proactive way instead of coming back with an answer a year later..
A new Nikon, or the previously released Nikon? Because I've heard the current version is not so great on a FF as it wasn't designed for a FF in mind. FWIW.

[DarthVader]

Why the heck you'll be disappointed if it's updated ?. Can't take good pictures anymore with the current one ?

[Route246]

Thank you. That settles it for me. Announcement or no announcement, I'm waiting until at least Aug/Sep to decide now.

...by the head Canon rep here in eastern Canada.

He says its has re-designed lens elements, new IS.

the macro I cannot remember if it's F2 or F2.8 but its an L series 100mm!!

TBA in August.

[wickerprints]

The proposed 100mm L lens casts the whole rumor into doubt. It's not very credible because the existing EF 100/2.8 macro is already exceptionally sharp. It's not like it'll get much sharper, nor is it particularly useful to design a macro with f/2 as the DOF is already paper-thin at f/2.8. And what would the L designation improve? UD elements? Weather sealing? Why would a photographer pay 2x more for a lens that ultimately won't be worth the extra cost over the existing 100/2.8? ??? And then let's not forget that there already exists an EF 180/3.5L macro which would still be better than a hypothetical 100/2L due to its narrower perspective. It doesn't make any sense at all and I am going on record here saying that there will NOT be an EF 100/2L macro since I just gave four good reasons why such a design is unlikely.

And because I don't believe this rumor is correct, this also makes me doubt the validity of the 70-200/2.8L IS update.

[Bob_A]

A new Nikon, or the previously released Nikon? Because I've heard the current version is not so great on a FF as it wasn't designed for a FF in mind. FWIW.


Mine seems to work fine on my D700 ...

The only real issue with the Nikon is that the corner sharpness isn't as good as the Canon version. I haven't noticed it at all though since I don't tend to take pictures straight on of brick walls. The lens also vignettes about the same as seen with a Canon 24-70 f/2.8L on full frame, which is trivial to correct during RAW conversion.

No doubt though that for a lens that costs as much as these you should be able to take a beautiful image of a brick wall straight on if you care to :lol: , which is why there's been a lot of noise to update the lens. Frankly, Nikon (like Canon) have other lenses to update that should be a higher priority.

The rumour about Canon updating the 70-200 just doesn't make sense to me since it's an excellent lens as it is. Maybe Canon has found a way to use plastic elements to reduce the weight (and their cost of production)! :lol:

[Tom W]

The proposed 100mm L lens casts the whole rumor into doubt. It's not very credible because the existing EF 100/2.8 macro is already exceptionally sharp. It's not like it'll get much sharper, nor is it particularly useful to design a macro with f/2 as the DOF is already paper-thin at f/2.8. And what would the L designation improve? UD elements? Weather sealing? Why would a photographer pay 2x more for a lens that ultimately won't be worth the extra cost over the existing 100/2.8? ??? And then let's not forget that there already exists an EF 180/3.5L macro which would still be better than a hypothetical 100/2L due to its narrower perspective. It doesn't make any sense at all and I am going on record here saying that there will NOT be an EF 100/2L macro since I just gave four good reasons why such a design is unlikely.


On the other hand, the 100/2.8 Macro is an excellent overall lens that can be used for purposes other than Macro. F/2 would enhance the useability of the lens - sort of a jack of many trades. It would be a nice portrait lens, in the direction of the 85/1.2 or 85/1.8, but with true Macro capabilities.

Also consider that such a lens could be an IS lens. If Canon were to produce a 100/2 or 100/2.8 IS L lens, that would be a viable competitor and an upgrade worth consideration for those that have the 100/2.8 Macro already.

Then again, it is still a rumor. It will be interesting to see what they have up their sleeve. Something will come out. It always does!

(and I still secretly want my 28-300 f/4L IS superzoom!)

[djharmonix]

And because I don't believe this rumor is correct, this also makes me doubt the validity of the 70-200/2.8L IS update.

in all honesty, I would think exactly the same about the macro if I would read this on forums, but I've heard it directly from a man who's been working at Canon for longer than my age. We will know very soon anyway! You guys believe me or not, I just wanted to share the info...

[djharmonix]

On the other hand, the 100/2.8 Macro is an excellent overall lens that can be used for purposes other than Macro. F/2 would enhance the useability of the lens - sort of a jack of many trades. It would be a nice portrait lens, in the direction of the 85/1.2 or 85/1.8, but with true Macro capabilities.


you're absolutely right, It might be the first macro I own if this lens proves to be as good for portraits as other primes with L built quality, faster AF and faster aperture.

[wickerprints]

I still maintain that such a design runs counter to the trend I have been observing in Canon's EF lineup. Yes, the 100/2.8 macro is not merely for macro shooting, and a 1-stop increase to f/2 would make it more usable. But this is inconsistent with Canon's tendency to differentiate features into different models (which is why we have 85/1.8, 100/2, 100/2.8 macro, and 135/2L). Canon doesn't stand to gain anything in terms of increased sales or customer satisfaction with a 100/2L macro because it would cannibalize sales of FOUR lenses, not just one.

As for adding IS, this is extremely unlikely. How many macro lenses use IS? None. Why? Because they're primarily used on tripods. If they were going to put IS on a macro, it should be the 180, not the 100. And let's not forget the additional MTF losses from including IS. Again, it goes against Canon's design trends.

I don't claim to be privy to how Canon chooses to update its EF lenses. But it is clear to me at least that such a move makes no economic sense whatsoever. Their approach with respect to primes appears to be to develop a budget EF, an L-series that's extra sharp or with a wider max aperture, and/or to distinguish it as a macro or TS. And they don't put IS in any primes until you get to 200mm. They don't try to design their primes to be "jack-of-all-trades." Because you know the other half of that saying: master of none.

[Stealthy Ninja]

I personally think they may replace the 180L Macro with a IS version. Most people who want to do macro will buy the 100mm 2.8 because it's cheaper and just as sharp.

So if Canon make the L version have a very good IS. I'm sure a lot of macro fans will want it (despite the price) because it will make hand held macro photography more of a viable proposition.

I think the 70-200 2.8L IS (though a fine lens) will be replaced. It's sort of old (though not as old as the 100-400, as someone said above, it is a better seller) and the IS system in it is inferior to the f/4 IS version.

This makes a lot of people choose the cheaper f/4 version because the IS makes it "usable" in lower light and it's sharper than the 2.8 version. Rendering the 2.8 version a viable choice only if you need the DOF control (especially with the high ISO performance of the 5Dmkii).

So the 70-200 2.8L IS updated with better IS than the f/4 version would make it a very lust worthy lens (people would really want it more than the f/4 version which = more money for Canon as people save to get the better lens).

The F/4 IS would still be very good though (especially since it would be lighter). So it would still have a place in sales.

Of course I say all this because I really want the 70-200 2.8L IS to be updated because that's what I'm waiting for. ;)

[cfibanez]

Would I be crazy to put my 2 week-old 70-200 2.8L IS on sale? Boy this rumor is killing me....

[Stealthy Ninja]

Would I be crazy to put my 2 week-old 70-200 2.8L IS on sale? Boy this rumor is killing me....

2 weeks? Is it within some exchange allowed time (or whatever it's called) thingy?

I actually had the money for the 70-200 recently, but didn't buy it because I suspect new lenses will come out by the end of the year.

I hate waiting, but I'd rather know I'm not buying "old" technology when some "new" technology is going to be out (even if I decide the old tech is good enough, I'd at least like to have the choice). :)

[cfibanez]

2 weeks? Is it within some exchange allowed time (or whatever it's called) thingy?

Bought at the Adorama NYC store: 7 days max return policy :mad:

...I'd rather know I'm not buying "old" technology when some "new" technology is going to be out...

Shut the f*** up! :p

[hk300]

dpreview just announced that Canon will come out with a new Hybrid-IS system. Looking at Canon's current lens range, and picking out which lenses are best sellers (and are 'old'), the 70-200IS2.8 could be a very likely candidate for replacement. Another candidate is the 24-70.

[Stealthy Ninja]

dpreview just announced that Canon will come out with a new Hybrid-IS system. Looking at Canon's current lens range, and picking out which lenses are best sellers (and are 'old'), the 70-200IS2.8 could be a very likely candidate for replacement. Another candidate is the 24-70.

Agreed. :)

[Stealthy Ninja]

LOL, I don't envy you right now. :p

Still, you do have a pretty nice lens, and it will be at least 4 months before we see anything in shops I guess. You should probably just use it for now and see what happens. At least you've got a lens. :)

[jms_uk]

(and I still secretly want my 28-300 f/4L IS superzoom!)

One that doesn't extend when zooming or focusing? :D

[jacuff]

Source (that has "canon.com" in the URL)?

Here's something with Canon.com in the URL:

http://www.canon.com/news/2009/jul22e.html

[msowsun]

Looks like it might be better suited for a Macro lens:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0907/09072207canonhybridIS.asp

Canon’s newly developed Hybrid IS technology optimally compensates for angular camera shake (rotational) and shift camera shake (linear). Sudden changes in camera angle can cause significant blur in images taken during standard shooting, whereas blur caused by shift-based shaking, when a camera moves parallel to the subject, is more pronounced in macro and other close-up photography.

Hybrid IS dramatically enhances the effects of Image Stabilizer especially during macro shooting, which is difficult for conventional image stabilisation technologies.

[cfibanez]

Still, you do have a pretty nice lens, and it will be at least 4 months before we see anything in shops I guess. You should probably just use it for now and see what happens. At least you've got a lens. :)

That's much better, thank you :)

On the bright side, here in Sweden this lens currently retails at about $2700 new and $1950 used, while I (only) paid $1500 for it at Adorama. So I could easily sell it today and brake even. That may be more difficult after the announcement of the new lens (if the rumor is true). Hence my dilema. Sell now or wait and see?

[Stealthy Ninja]

If I were you, I'd just use it. You can call any loss you might make on it "rental". :)

If you sell it later that is.

[JAcosta]

Here's something with Canon.com in the URL:

http://www.canon.com/news/2009/jul22e.html


After reading that article and reading the word MACRO a couple times, I think the new IS will go into a macro lens.

Do I win anything for making a painfully obvious statement?

[ChrisGorabPhotography]

http://www.canonrumors.com/2009/07/new-is-lenses-cr1/

I hope there's something to this.

[djharmonix]

24-70 is not gonna happen.

[wickerprints]

24-70 is not gonna happen.

Agreed. It is too new a design and not a particularly important one to update relative to other better candidates. A lot of people have been clamoring for IS but IMHO it's more important to fix the issues with out-of-focus CA, something the EF 28-135 does better at than the 24-70/2.8L.

A zoom this wide and fast should not really need IS anyway, at least not at the cost of an extra half pound on what is already a very heavy lens.

[Tom W]

One that doesn't extend when zooming or focusing? :D

Push/pull doesn't bother me - Just looking for an f/4 superzoom. I'd be surprised if they made one though, given the design constraints. And, perhaps, the lack of paying customers for such a lens.

[AcuraFan]

24-70, 70-200 and 300 upgrades i would definitely buy, mostly for the better glass. these are my favorite lenses.

[Adama]

These rumors popped up again just when I was considering buying the 24-70. In the end, I've decided to go through with purchasing the current gen. My rationale being that:

A) I really am not inclined to plan when I make my purchases based on rumors. If I was, I never would have got the 1D3 since the rumor mill claims that the 1D4 is going to be the alpha to it's previous generation omega.

B) The IS lens is likely going to be more expensive.

C) I wouldn't use the IS enough to justify waiting (I shoot sports mainly)

D) The IS, to me anyways, on a 24-70 focal length range just isn't THAT useful. At that range, when I'm in low light, I'm usually using a flash at events.


The only way you could have convinced me to go for a 24-70 IS is if the image quality was superior to the original 24-70, an impossible feat if you ask me. And like some other posters said, I really am doubting that there's much truth to a lens like this coming so soon. That said, I'm hoping the 300/400 IS upgrade rumours are true since any planned changes to the lenses are almost guaranteed to happen by the time I can afford the 400 2.8

[djharmonix]

I wouldnt be worried about the 24-70 replacement, at least, not in 2009.

the 24-70 is a workhorse, such an amazing lens. Wouldn't hesitate to buy another one today. (if i didnt already own one!)

Theres gonna be many rumors now but for what I know, they're only coming out with a 70-200 2.8L IS and Macro 100L

[silvex]

...by the head Canon rep here in eastern Canada.

He says its has re-designed lens elements, new IS.

the macro I cannot remember if it's F2 or F2.8 but its an L series 100mm!!

TBA in August.

If they make the 70-200L sharper it willhave a waiting list. The same goes for the 100 macro (which is ULTRA sharp)

[kauffman v36]

any secret way for a hobbyist like me to get a new 70-200 when it comes out without waiting 6 months?

[Adama]

any secret way for a hobbyist like me to get a new 70-200 when it comes out without waiting 6 months?

Time machine?

[gjl711]

Time machine?
Well, if you had a time machine why not zoom forward and pick up the 70-200 Mark MCDLXIV. :)

[ChrisGorabPhotography]

Yes, but in today's dollars, or future dollars?

[heycow]

any secret way for a hobbyist like me to get a new 70-200 when it comes out without waiting 6 months?
Sort of a catch-22, but if you HAD a 70-200 you could use it to knock someone out and take their 70-200.

But clearly this suggestion is stupid since you don't have a 70-200 (yes, that's the only reason it's a bad idea).

[kauffman v36]

lol. i understand. get a 70-200 now and knock someone out for their next gen one. i really want to get the mkII (if and when) within a month of it hitting store shelves. ive never really splurged and this is the one time i might not feel guilty about it. 6 months later, ill be like ehhhhh, idk if i really need it. but shooting high school football with 70-300 is no easy task.

[djharmonix]

the easiest way to get your items fast is to go to a reputable camera store and leave a deposit on the day that they officialy release it.

You will be the first one to have it pretty much

[gjl711]

the easiest way to get your items fast is to go to a reputable camera store and leave a deposit on the day that they officialy release it.

You will be the first one to have it pretty much
Or knock someone out. :)

[kauffman v36]

im starting to really like this knockout idea...

[gjl711]

im starting to really like this knockout idea...
It's got potential. :)

[Stealthy Ninja]

Mmm Knock out...

Perhaps someone could knock you out, and when you wake up again, the lens will have already been released... :D



But then there's the intensive care... physical therapy... then after the bills, you wouldn't have any money for lenses... dang, bad idea. :(

:lol:

[jacuff]

Here's some more fuel for the fire...
http://press.nikonusa.com/2009/07/nikon_further_refines_dx_and_f.php

Nikon just announced an update of their 70-200mm f/2.8 VR.
Canon to follow suit?

[Sunapollo]

Mmm Knock out...

Perhaps someone could knock you out, and when you wake up again, the lens will have already been released... :D
:lol:

LOL !!:lol:

[djharmonix]

I dont like to say I told you guys but I told you guys! Over a month ago! July 21st I told you about the 100mm macro!

now believe me when I post!

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=721096&page=2

[Route246]

100-400 is a different use model than the 70-200. I have both. The 100-400 only gets used when I need the reach, otherwise, it stays in the case locked up at home. The majority of time I use the 70-200 with a 1.4. The 70-200 is also a decent walking around lens if you don't need to go wide. The 100-400 is in no way a walking around lens.

I'll believe it when I see it,


....but I will comment that indeed, the 100-400mm is much older and more in need of an update.

I mean there is ONE 100-400mm, and currently 4 versions of the 70-200mm...