60D Rumor Thread -

[DennisW1]

Unfortunately, I think this is becoming more true as time goes by. Canon seems stuck on making customers but things they don't need in order to get what they do need. The poor AF on the 5D series seems to be there so that people who need better AF will have to buy a 1Ds series. The small sensor size on the 20/30/40/50 series seems to be there so that folks who want a larger sensor will have to buy a much more expensive 1D series. It seems that to some extent they attempt to manipulate the customer instead of simply giving the customer exactly what they want. In the short term, this may result in better profits, but eventually this mindset is going to turn people to other brands. Yes, if their business strategy is to focus on the short term, they certainly have the right to make decisions accordingly. It just sucks for the customers who already have a full library of Canon lenses and now wish to switch over to Nikon.


Funny, when the 10D hit the market, it got exactly the opposite reaction. Finally Canon had released an affordable DSLR that could compete with the big boys.

Same thing happened with the Rebel, an entry-level DSLR with the same potential image quality as the 10D. Again, pretty much the opposite of the theory you're proposing.

Maybe everyone doesn't NEED the capabilites of a 1D MkIII's AF system, or the FF of a 5D or 1Ds, and there are even those have no need for a DSLR that does video.

I think quite the opposite. Canon has pretty much defined 3 market tiers, beginner/snapshooter, hobbyist/pro on a budget, and the working pro/hobbyist with deep pockets. The 5D series brought the much-sought-after FF capability to the more affordable Prosumer model line, while the 1Ds series continues to be the high-end FF flagship.
The sports and journalist market continues to be served by the APS-H 1D series bodies, something for everyone.

If we take your theory to heart, it sounds like some of the original Rebel purchasers who cried and moaned to Canon for "crippling" the Rebel's software as compared to it's big brother, the 10D. Sorry, but I think your conspiracy theory is a bit misguided.

[DennisW1]

The 1d4 will be APS-H, 16MP, include video, ISO 25k, hires LCD, and probably a few minor changes. The AF will be the same from the 1d3.



Just back from your insider tour of the Canon facilities, are we?:rolleyes:

[Tom Reichner]

If we take your theory to heart, it sounds like some of the original Rebel purchasers who cried and moaned to Canon for "crippling" the Rebel's software as compared to it's big brother, the 10D. Sorry, but I think your conspiracy theory is a bit misguided.

Hi, Dennis

I was speaking about now, not a couple years ago. I think that up until about a year or two ago, Canon was simply providing what people wanted. But this seems to have changed a bit in recent months. You mention the 10D. That was a long, long time ago. And I'm not thinking of this shift in business philosophy as some kind of deep, dark "conspiracy theory",as you mention. I simply think that they have decided that shorter-term goals are a bit more important to them right now than are longer term objectives. That's hardly a conspiracy theory. All businesses continually modify and adapt their business model to changing economic conditions and a changing marketplace. It just doesn't always happen to work in the best interests of the consumer.

[timbop]

Just back from your insider tour of the Canon facilities, are we?:rolleyes:

No, I pay attention

As you somewhat eloquently stated, Canon has defined market segments and will continue to operate within their definitions of each. A full frame 1d4 would kill the 1ds3, which would be an uncharacteristically huge blunder on their part. The 1d series is aimed at sports and PJ's, and PJ's would very much appreciate the ability to make a quick video. It would also be uncharacteristic of them to release a new pro level camera that can't do something that a rebel can (we'll ignore the rebel's builtin flash and idiot modes as those are perceived as "beginner" features).

[connexile]

No, I pay attention

As you somewhat eloquently stated, Canon has defined market segments and will continue to operate within their definitions of each. A full frame 1d4 would kill the 1ds3, which would be an uncharacteristically huge blunder on their part. The 1d series is aimed at sports and PJ's, and PJ's would very much appreciate the ability to make a quick video. It would also be uncharacteristic of them to release a new pro level camera that can't do something that a rebel can (we'll ignore the rebel's builtin flash and idiot modes as those are perceived as "beginner" features).



how could a 10-12mp 1d4 kill the 21mp 1ds3? how about the d3 and d3s which are both fullframe?

[zaathrus]

how could a 10-12mp 1d4 kill the 21mp 1ds3? how about the d3 and d3s which are both fullframe?

Because if the 1D4 was FF it wouldn't be 10-12mp! There's no way it's going to be lower spec than a 5DII.

[connexile]

Because if the 1D4 was FF it wouldn't be 10-12mp! There's no way it's going to be lower spec than a 5DII.


I don`t think the 1d3 will have more than 16mp, and the 1ds4 will have around 30 mp, so I don`t see any reason for keeping the aps-h sensor in the 1d series.

[Tom Reichner]

Because if the 1D4 was FF it wouldn't be 10-12mp! There's no way it's going to be lower spec than a 5DII.

I'm not so sure about that. It's all about the intended use. A 10-12mp body is going to be able to crank out somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 fps. This is absolutely essential for pro sports photographers. The 1D (non-S) series has always been geared toward pro sports photogs, and they would rather have a very fast 10 or 12 MPs than a slow 21MP camera. FPS really is one of the major selling points to the sports market, and the sports market is the backbone of the 1D (non-S) series. These guys are all shooting for newspapers, weekly magazines, and website use, where high MPs and tremendous IQ at large size just don't matter.

[robojack]

I don't see the next xxD body being a 1.3 crop. It piss off all the EF-S lens owners (myself included), particularly those who own the pricey EF-S 17-55 2.8 IS.

[DL.Photography]

It seems like this thread is turning into a 1D/s thread lol

[zaathrus]

I'm not so sure about that. It's all about the intended use. A 10-12mp body is going to be able to crank out somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 fps. This is absolutely essential for pro sports photographers. The 1D (non-S) series has always been geared toward pro sports photogs, and they would rather have a very fast 10 or 12 MPs than a slow 21MP camera. FPS really is one of the major selling points to the sports market, and the sports market is the backbone of the 1D (non-S) series. These guys are all shooting for newspapers, weekly magazines, and website use, where high MPs and tremendous IQ at large size just don't matter.

Ok, the 1DSmkIII is 5fps @ 21mp - if the 1D4 was to be FF, it's going to be ~6-10fps - no reason for it to not be >12mp.

I just can't see the 1D4 not being APS-H, just like I can't see the 60D not being APS-C.

[Marshal.F]

It seems like this thread is turning into a 1D/s thread lol

Yeah really. Im just gonna wait until the 60D announced.

[DennisW1]

Canon has to get rid of the aps-h sensor in the 1d and move on the full frame sooner or later. Otherwise there is no way it can compete with the d3.

an aps-h sensor in a xxd would be sweet though.

The MkIII competes quite well with the D3, thank you.

So, Canon should turn the 1D into a 1Ds? No thank you. The two bodies both have their respective markets and uses, and don't need to be merged into a bastard camera.

[timbop]

I don`t think the 1d3 will have more than 16mp, and the 1ds4 will have around 30 mp, so I don`t see any reason for keeping the aps-h sensor in the 1d series.

The 1ds3 was announced 10 months ago, so expecting a 1ds4 and 1d4 at the same time is... unrealistic. So, announcing a full frame 1d4 in august WILL be problemmatic for canon. They'd be stuck with a flagship 1d4 with fewer megapixels than the rebel series or the 50D (and presumably 60D). To expect them to take that position is, well, really not plausible.

Nikon took the stance that the D3 is a 12MP FF and the D3x is FF 24MP, and that works for them because they didn't have >12MP cheap SLR's on the market when the d3 was announced. If canon did the same thing, they'd be following in Nikons footsteps, which would be very embarrassing. Again, that ain't gonna happen

[mchong75]

I want rumors and discussion about xxD, why all the 1D talks?

The thread said "60D when"

[timbop]

I want rumors and discussion about xxD, why all the 1D talks?

The thread said "60D when"

because we already beat the few 60d leads to death, and we're bored!:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[cnsconnor84]

If the 60D is as great as everyone thinks it's going to be I don't know why anyone would spend the extra cash on the 5D Mark II. According to some of the rumors it seems as if the only difference will be that the 5D is full frame as opposed to the 60D's rumored APS-H.

[connexile]

If the 60D is as great as everyone thinks it's going to be I don't know why anyone would spend the extra cash on the 5D Mark II. According to some of the rumors it seems as if the only difference will be that the 5D is full frame as opposed to the 60D's rumored APS-H.



The only difference between the 5d and 30d was the sensor, as far as I know the d300 and d700 are also the same except their sensor sizes , so it`s not unlikely to happen.

[cnsconnor84]

The only difference between the 5d and 30d was the sensor, as far as I know the d300 and d700 are also the same except their sensor sizes , so it`s not unlikely to happen.

Ya, i guess your right. A slightly larger sensor is not worth twice the price IMO. Especially if the smaller one has the same low light capability, Video etc. I think that it may have 720p video if anything. I just can't see canon making it come that close to the 5d mark II at half the price. I am also assuming the price will be close to that of the 50D at launch, which may not be the case.

[gcflora]

Ya, i guess your right. A slightly larger sensor is not worth twice the price IMO. Especially if the smaller one has the same low light capability, Video etc. I think that it may have 720p video if anything. I just can't see canon making it come that close to the 5d mark II at half the price. I am also assuming the price will be close to that of the 50D at launch, which may not be the case.
I think the main advantage of a larger sensor is noise handling

[Skippy29]

60D when??

I thought we would've had some more serious info by now, hmm..

[bjyoder]

I think the main advantage of a larger sensor is noise handling

And increased dynamic range.

[bjyoder]

The only difference between the 5d and 30d was the sensor, as far as I know the d300 and d700 are also the same except their sensor sizes , so it`s not unlikely to happen.


The D300 and D700 are about the same physical camera, but the D700 has the D3 sensor.

I would love for this to happen with Canon, but it can't; too many people have EF-S lenses which won't work on APS-H.

[bulldog-yota]

Any updates on when they will announce the 50D successor?

[kouasupra]

MAN, you guys just can't wait HUH! Neither can I.:lol:

[McChook]

The D300 and D700 are about the same physical camera, but the D700 has the D3 sensor.

I would love for this to happen with Canon, but it can't; too many people have EF-S lenses which won't work on APS-H.

I have a 40d, and with 6 lenses, and only one is EF-s. I think
most xxD buyers are more serious than xxxD buyers....

But the 50D replacement won't be ff or aps-h

[silvex]

And then what ? The 50D is better than 60D! I can't believe Canon did not do <fill_blank> to the 60D. I am keeping my 50D. I will wait for the 70D...:)

[adsayer]

A canon rep told me a couple of days ago that the 60D would be coming this autumn.

personally I couldn't give a sh...

[silvex]

A canon rep told me a couple of days ago that the 60D would be coming this autumn.

personally I couldn't give a sh...

There isn't too much they can do MP wise. With time the 1dMkII will be a 80D ? who knows...

[benesotor]

Guys, don't be too surprised if we hear information about the cameras at 3PM today, probably the Powershot camera's but some say the 60d too, as it's been spotted on the Portuguese website.
If not, wait till September.

[bigcountry]

ah darn, no soup today.

[D.A.]

Who cares. I'm still using old 30D and soon 50D so i don't care to much about 60D.
Maybe i'll buy 60D when 80D comes on the market :)

I think it won't be much better then 50D. Maybe Canon makes something above 50D.

[bigcountry]

sure it could be, heck it could be better than a 1d, hav eyou not read all the posts by all of the "product engineers" that post here?







Who cares. I'm still using old 30D and soon 50D so i don't care to much about 60D.
Maybe i'll buy 60D when 80D comes on the market :)

I think it won't be much better then 50D. Maybe Canon makes something above 50D.

[Bill Boehme]

Guys, don't be too surprised if we hear information about the cameras at 3PM today, probably the Powershot camera's but some say the 60d too, as it's been spotted on the Portuguese website.
If not, wait till September.

No 60D today. New PowerShot models and new printers were announced.

[shadowcat]

September 1 is the new rumor date for EOS cameras and lens

[bigcountry]

i heard tomorrow, "maybe"

[MLphoto]

September 1 is the new rumor date for EOS cameras and lens

yeah it's going to be september 1st.

[zaathrus]

Talk is that an embargo ends on 25 Aug. (CR)

[cpforyou]

With Canon G11, they lowered MP to increase quality. They may do just that with the 60D since 50D high ISO sorta fails in my book. Then they can also add HD video (though I don't care for it) and a better focus system.

[gcflora]

With Canon G11, they lowered MP to increase quality. They may do just that with the 60D since 50D high ISO sorta fails in my book. Then they can also add HD video (though I don't care for it) and a better focus system.

I owned both the 50D and the 40D and sold the 50D because of poor noise handling. I know people will debate this, but it was noticeable to me.

[District_History_Fan]

I owned both the 50D and the 40D and sold the 50D because of poor noise handling. I know people will debate this, but it was noticeable to me.

I'd love to see a 10-12mp 60D. The new Digic 5 processor with a rockin ISO3200, updated AF, and weathersealing would be awesome.

[MLphoto]

I'd love to see a 10-12mp 60D. The new Digic 5 processor with a rockin ISO3200, updated AF, and weathersealing would be awesome.

+ a flip out screen, we need those flip out screenz

[wayne_eddy]

Speaking from a 40D users point of view I'd love:
a better focusing system (that tracks moving targets better),
flip out screen,
better NR,
a bit lighter or not heavier than my current model.

I truly don't mind if the 60D is still only a 15MP camera.

I also want it to come out in the next few months!

[hollis_f]

Talk is that an embargo ends on 25 Aug. (CR)

Probably from the same people who said that Aug 19th would be the day.

[J-Guy]

A 50D upgrade with...

HD Video in the following modes

1080p 30p 24p selectable
720p 60p 30p 24p selectable - Fast action video.

Manual control of video ISO, etc

Individual Right and Left audio inputs

Improved noise reduction at higher ISO

I hope the current battery design is used, I'd rather be able to use the batteries I already have and not need to carry two different styles and seperate chargers.

I'm also hoping the CF card format is retained for the same reason.

[District_History_Fan]

A 50D upgrade with...

HD Video in the following modes

1080p 30p 24p selectable
720p 60p 30p 24p selectable - Fast action video.

Manual control of video ISO, etc

Individual Right and Left audio inputs

Improved noise reduction at higher ISO

I hope the current battery design is used, I'd rather be able to use the batteries I already have and not need to carry two different styles and seperate chargers.

I'm also hoping the CF card format is retained for the same reason.

If that's it, I'll be staying with my 40D...again.

My want list is (over the 50D):

weathersealing
better AF
less high ISO noise
expanded dynamic range
new, chipped battery (accurate usage meter)
no gimmic modes like "CA"

[elitejp]

I dont think that you will get full weathersealing if thats what your refferring to since it only seems the pro bodies have that. And I personnally think the Af is quite fast on the 50D. I see people all the time just press the shutter button not really doing the half press but just a full press and the camera locs focus.
Improved high iso needs to be a must in the 60D. And Canon really needs to start adding a few more autofocus points in the outer parts of the screen. Probably what the 50D should have been all along;)

[BEEEsH]

I think this past year may have changed the mindset at canon. It seems like everyone is gunning for them, especially companies like Sony and Pentax. (aside from Nikon) The K7 stacks up VERY well against the 50D, and the Sony lower-end A series bodies offer the same functionality at a much lower price point.

Meanwhile, NIkon keeps shooting between the models.

[HaroldC3]

If that's it, I'll be staying with my 40D...again.

My want list is (over the 50D):
weathersealing
better AF
less high ISO noise
expanded dynamic range
new, chipped battery (accurate usage meter)
no gimmic modes like "CA"

Have to agree with all of that plus some kind of improvement in image quality. That's the only real thing I found lacking in the 40D when I had it (compared to the 5d I have now).

Would also like to see an on-board flash commander like the Noink D300 has to control flashes off-camera.

[romeo26]

i would like a d300s in canon clothing.

[BugEyes]

weathersealing
better AF
less high ISO noise
expanded dynamic range
new, chipped battery (accurate usage meter)
no gimmic modes like "CA
"
That about sums it up for me too, at about 12 mp would be perfect.

[zaathrus]

Probably from the same people who said that Aug 19th would be the day.
Heh, who knows!

I don't make em up - I just report them ;)

[wdwpsu]

If that's it, I'll be staying with my 40D...again.

My want list is (over the 50D):

weathersealing
better AF
less high ISO noise
expanded dynamic range
new, chipped battery (accurate usage meter)
no gimmic modes like "CA"
Agreed. If the 60D is just (as original poster asked) essentially a 50D with Video Bells and Whistles, I'll pass. The reason I didn't buy the 50D is that it's high ISO and AF just aren't there.

[jm4ever]

Actually I thought the AF was quite good on the 50D, not 1D good but certainly decent. Pretty sure its faster than either 5D for focusing.Unless your referring to it needing more AF points.

[sth_]

I'd like to see an upgraded 50d with:


1080p video with 24fps setting and manual controls
It would be nice if they would include a high-speed mode (eg. 60fps) as some already suggested. Maybe at a lower resolution because of the readout and processing speed. However, most important would be manual controls.

Less noise, increased dynamic range
No increase in resolution, I wouldn't mind a slight decrease either. I'm perfectly happy with the 12mp of my XSI but if they want it to have a higher resolution sensor than the D300s, 13.5mp would be the absolute maximum I would choose for crop-camera. At that resolution, you have an image size of 4500x3000 pixels, which means you can even crop a picture from landscape to portrait (or vice versa) and still get a solid 6mp image out of it (which is still enough even for some larger prints).

At least 98% VF coverage
100% would probably be too expensive because of the build tolerances

Better AF
I don't need a gazillion AF points but I'd want all AF points to be cross-type (like on the 50d) and "additionally sensitive with lenses of F2.8 or faster" (only the center-point so far)

Wider AF point spread
They could even stick to 9 AF points (although some additional points wouldn't hurt) but spread a bit wider so that the diagonal AF points sit where the rule-of-thirds lines cross

On-demand gridlines
Nice-to-have feature

No scene modes but at least 3 custom modes instead (like the 5d2)
Never used scene modes and they just clutter up the mode dial


I'm sure that we'll see video in the 60d but I'm not sure about the other things. It's basically asking Canon to match the D300s but that camera sits in a different price range. Canon has to change something, they can't just release a 50d with a new label and video-enabled firmware.

[apersson850]

There are nature's laws of optics making it difficult to place the AF points too far away from the center of the image. That's why you see them covering less (relatively) of the frame in a 1Ds than theyd do in a 1D.

There's also a space problem with placing high precision points on the AF sensor chip, since they require quite a lot more real estate of the sensor.

[KayakPhotos]

Actually I thought the AF was quite good on the 50D, not 1D good but certainly decent. Pretty sure its faster than either 5D for focusing.Unless your referring to it needing more AF points.

General consensus is that the outer points of the 5D are inferior to those on the 50D, but the center point on the 5D is better.

[sth_]

There are nature's laws of optics making it difficult to place the AF points too far away from the center of the image. That's why you see them covering less (relatively) of the frame in a 1Ds than theyd do in a 1D.
Okay. However, I don't think what I suggested would be impossible (in terms of spread, not sensitivity). I just found out that the D300's AF points are spread even wider than what I was suggesting.

[davidfig]

Okay. However, I don't think what I suggested would be impossible (in terms of spread, not sensitivity). I just found out that the D300's AF points are spread even wider than what I was suggesting.

D300 points are spread wider than any Canon camera.

[hollis_f]

The reason I didn't buy the 50D is that it's high ISO and AF just aren't there.

Just aren't where? Just aren't as good, or better, than any EOS camera costing less than £1000? I've obviously missed the announcement of a camera in that price range that has better final image ISO performance and better AF than the 50D.

Phew. I thought I was gonna have to buy a 1d to find improvements on the 50D. Obviously I was wrong and there exists a camera that is better than the 50D without having to spend loads of money.

[hollis_f]

I'd like to see an upgraded 50d with:

1080p videoI think you'll be in luck.

I'd like to see an upgraded 50d with:

Less noise, increased dynamic range
No increase in resolution, I wouldn't mind a slight decrease either. I'm perfectly happy with the 12mp of my XSI but if they want it to have a higher resolution sensor than the D300s, 13.5mp would be the absolute maximum I would choose for crop-camera. At that resolution, you have an image size of 4500x3000 pixels, which means you can even crop a picture from landscape to portrait (or vice versa) and still get a solid 6mp image out of it (which is still enough even for some larger prints).
At least 98% VF coverage
100% would probably be too expensive because of the build tolerances
Better AF
I don't need a gazillion AF points but I'd want all AF points to be cross-type (like on the 50d) and "additionally sensitive with lenses of F2.8 or faster" (only the center-point so far)
Wider AF point spread
They could even stick to 9 AF points (although some additional points wouldn't hurt) but spread a bit wider so that the diagonal AF points sit where the rule-of-thirds lines cross
On-demand gridlines
Nice-to-have feature
No scene modes but at least 3 custom modes instead (like the 5d2)
Never used scene modes and they just clutter up the mode dialOoops - out of luck.

Honestly, does anybody really expect anything beyond a 50D + video?




Honestly?

[sth_]

The only thing that's pretty much sure is video mode and that doesn't even mean manual controls. Everything else? Just guessing and wishing. Honestly. ;)

However, Canon has always tweaked things a bit from camera to camera like continously improving the viewfinder and other stuff that often gets overlooked when everyone's just talking megapixels and display sizes.

[carlitotan]

[/list]I think you'll be in luck.
[/list]Ooops - out of luck.

Honestly, does anybody really expect anything beyond a 50D + video?




Honestly?

and how much that would cost? honestly..

[laychengjin]

I believe 60D will not be released this year but next year.

[randomlinh]

[/list]I think you'll be in luck.
[/list]Ooops - out of luck.

Honestly, does anybody really expect anything beyond a 50D + video?




Honestly?
given what they've done w/ the G11, yes. I think the lower noise (or rather, I'd like to see "better" noise) and higher dynamic range are a possibility. the question is how much of an improvement...

[RyanQ]

I believe 60D will not be released this year but next year.

nooooo.... hahha

[MLphoto]

[/list]I think you'll be in luck.
[/list]Ooops - out of luck.

Honestly, does anybody really expect anything beyond a 50D + video?




Honestly?

Obviously...

50D didn't really sell that well as it wasen't that much of an improvement over the 40D.

It's really a no brainer that the 60D will have a lot of upgrades...

[hollis_f]

Obviously...

50D didn't really sell that well as it wasen't that much of an improvement over the 40D.

And the fact that its launch happened to coincide with a major worldwide recession had nothing to do with poor sales. If, indeed, 50D sales were that bad. I've seen loads of people state it as fact - none of them seem to have any concrete evidence.


It's really a no brainer that the 60D will have a lot of upgrades...

Yeah?!

[jacobsen1]

I believe 60D will not be released this year but next year.

the 40D -> 50D cycle was 12 months. Canon typically goes 18 months on x0D cycles and releasing the 60D now would make 2 back to back 12 month cycles. Also, "next year" is only ~4 months away. ;)

The 7D and 1Div announcements are far more likely to come first, especially considering the olympics are soon.

[silvex]

Obviously...

50D didn't really sell that well as it wasen't that much of an improvement over the 40D.

It's really a no brainer that the 60D will have a lot of upgrades...

I see 50D a lot on events than any other camera...it is the "poor man" version of the 1DMkIII.

I would expect the 60D to *probably* have less MP and video -- hopefully more AF assist points. It would great if all 9 AF were identical to the center point. The video to be of ANY use at events. Needs to be at LEAST 24fps. At this point I think cameras need lots of storage. By that I mean. They need a way to D/L fast and store images in a seamless way. Be able to shoot at least 5 seconds at their highest fps. No lag whatsoever from camera to CF.

The ability to setup lower color temp (1200) and the ability to set flash's color temp (to avoid gels).

[dinanm3atl]

I had a 40D and waited for 50D release... now this? I am not really 'excited' for this potential update. Seems like it could be another 'quick release' and the 'new' feeling will wear off soon.

[wdwpsu]

Canonrumors.com is now saying the 60d won't be announced until Spring (Back to an 18 month window). That would be very dissapointing to many of us who feel there hasn't been an "upgrade" to the xxD line since the 30d->40d

[HaroldC3]

Canonrumors.com is now saying the 60d won't be announced until Spring (Back to an 18 month window). That would be very dissapointing to many of us who feel there hasn't been an "upgrade" to the xxD line since the 30d->40d

Not only a disappointment but maybe a bad sign that the 60D couldn't compete with the Nikon D300s as it is now so Canon had to go add some bells and whistles?

[J-Guy]

I think the 60D is coming soon. One of my favorite online retailers dropped the price of the T1i body by $30 and it looks like the 50D dropped by $70.

Unless that's part of a new rebate...

[sth_]

Not only a disappointment but maybe a bad sign that the 60D couldn't compete with the Nikon D300s as it is now so Canon had to go add some bells and whistles?

Given what just popped up on CR, the 60D won't have to compete against the D300s. The 7D will.

[HaroldC3]

I think the 60D is coming soon. One of my favorite online retailers dropped the price of the T1i body by $30 and it looks like the 50D dropped by $70.

Unless that's part of a new rebate...

What about the T1?


Given what just popped up on CR, the 60D won't have to compete against the D300s. The 7D will.

True, as long as it's close in price. If it's over $2k then forget about it.

[MLphoto]

Well looks like the 7D has taken over the rumor section already, with it being obvious the camera will be coming out.

Lets say the 7D cost 2000-3000... would there be room still for the 60D?

And if it's the 18 month cycle it would be announced probably around early 2010?

[bigcountry]

7d - 2200
60d - 1300 or so.

So from the 60D up to the 7d you get pro af, dual processors, full HD video, etc. the pro AF makes it worth it.

[randomlinh]

7d - 2200
60d - 1300 or so.

So from the 60D up to the 7d you get pro af, dual processors, full HD video, etc. the pro AF makes it worth it.
I dunno, at $2200, a D700, which has a pretty good AF system, is mighty tempting. I know, I know, glass selection. But for my shooting, either company has what I need.

Or if it's 2200, that had better include the 17-55 IS =) Ok, I know that wouldn't happen, but I would like to see t his debut at $1600 body only.

And even at $1500-$1800, plenty of room for the 60D at the ~1100 range. Lower the price of entry to the xxD series. push everything down some.

[bigcountry]

I dunno, at $2200, a D700, which has a pretty good AF system, is mighty tempting. I know, I know, glass selection. But for my shooting, either company has what I need.

Or if it's 2200, that had better include the 17-55 IS =) Ok, I know that wouldn't happen, but I would like to see t his debut at $1600 body only.

And even at $1500-$1800, plenty of room for the 60D at the ~1100 range. Lower the price of entry to the xxD series. push everything down some.

have you not noticed, prices are going up. canon has bills to pay.

[zaathrus]

Well looks like the 7D has taken over the rumor section already, with it being obvious the camera will be coming out.

Lets say the 7D cost 2000-3000... would there be room still for the 60D?

Probably not. Various rumours have been suggesting the demise of the XXD line - and the 7D appears to be a top spec XXD camera.

[sth_]

I'd like to see an upgraded 50d with:

1080p video with 24fps setting and manual controls
It would be nice if they would include a high-speed mode (eg. 60fps) as some already suggested. Maybe at a lower resolution because of the readout and processing speed. However, most important would be manual controls.
I think you'll be in luck.

I'd like to see an upgraded 50d with:

Less noise, increased dynamic range
No increase in resolution, I wouldn't mind a slight decrease either. I'm perfectly happy with the 12mp of my XSI but if they want it to have a higher resolution sensor than the D300s, 13.5mp would be the absolute maximum I would choose for crop-camera. At that resolution, you have an image size of 4500x3000 pixels, which means you can even crop a picture from landscape to portrait (or vice versa) and still get a solid 6mp image out of it (which is still enough even for some larger prints).

At least 98% VF coverage
100% would probably be too expensive because of the build tolerances

Better AF
I don't need a gazillion AF points but I'd want all AF points to be cross-type (like on the 50d) and "additionally sensitive with lenses of F2.8 or faster" (only the center-point so far)

Wider AF point spread
They could even stick to 9 AF points (although some additional points wouldn't hurt) but spread a bit wider so that the diagonal AF points sit where the rule-of-thirds lines cross

On-demand gridlines
Nice-to-have feature

No scene modes but at least 3 custom modes instead (like the 5d2)
Never used scene modes and they just clutter up the mode dial
Ooops - out of luck.

Maybe not so much out of luck after all... (http://translate.google.com.au/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-TW&u=http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php%3Ff%3D244%26t%3D1211890&ei=jqWbStTEItiCkQWC3vGrAg&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=2&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%25E5%259C%2596%25E5%2583%258F%25E6%2 584%259F%25E6%2587%2589%25E5%2599%25A8%25E5%25B0%2 5BA%25E5%25AF%25B8%25E7%2582%25BA22.3%25C3%259714. 9%25E6%25AF%25AB%25E7%25B1%25B3%25EF%25BC%258C%25E 6%258B%258D%25E6%2594%259D%25E8%25A6%2596%25E8%25A 7%2592%25E7%259B%25B8%25E7%2595%25B6%25E6%2596%25B C%25E9%258F%25A1%25E9%25A0%25AD%25E7%2584%25A6%25E 8%25B7%259D%25E7%259A%2584%25E7%25B4%25841.6%25E5% 2580%258D%25E3%2580%2582%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfire fox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3D9W4) :D

[Jared Byer]

Probably not. Various rumours have been suggesting the demise of the XXD line - and the 7D appears to be a top spec XXD camera.

I don't buy them dropping the XXD line anytime soon. The XXD line is positioned, as far as the nikon compitition goes, between the d90 and the d300. If Canon pulled out of this segment than they would be handing that whole market segment to Nikon.

[zaathrus]

Perhaps! Who knows! They've always got 8D - 9D to use!

[Bill Boehme]

7D just announced today. Judging by the price, maybe it is the rumored 60D. It would be tough to shoehorn a 60D between the 50D and 7D price-wise unless the 50D is discontinued.

[bigcountry]

it's not a replacement for the xxd series. its a new line. and its 500 or so more than the 50D.

[Matt30D]

Everybody should just buy the 7D and NOT wait for the 60D...I know (from pretty reliable sources) the 60D will not show until May 2010....Keep shoointing your XXD cameras people..My 30D out performs my 40 and 50...what the heck???

[watt100]

Everybody should just buy the 7D and NOT wait for the 60D...I know (from pretty reliable sources) the 60D will not show until May 2010....Keep shoointing your XXD cameras people..My 30D out performs my 40 and 50...what the heck???


I may just wait for the 80D or 8D

[Matt30D]

What happens when it goes into the 100's? I have a 110D :)

[watt100]

What happens when it goes into the 100's? I have a 110D :)

hope camera manufactures come to their senses on model naming
(but I'm not holding my breath !)

[Lisa]

What happens when it goes into the 100's? I have a 110D :)

Ha, I have a 1000D :p

[jwcdds]

Everyone has pretty reliable sources. :lol:

[Matt30D]

Mine works for Canon.

[Matt30D]

Well I should say a store that sells lots of Canons.

[Cemesis]

How much for a Canon?

http://miva01.nyi.net/graphics/00000001/lgcanon.jpg

[AxxisPhoto]

How much for a Canon?

http://miva01.nyi.net/graphics/00000001/lgcanon.jpg

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[dorkiedoode]

7D it is then.

[Matt30D]

Is that the DD Canon?

[chalkie]

How much for a Canon?

http://miva01.nyi.net/graphics/00000001/lgcanon.jpg

£1700 in the UK apparently ;)

Graham

[GSH]

Everyone has pretty reliable sources. :lol:

Heinz, Ragu, Dolmio...all reliable in my experience :)

[FlyingPhotog]

Heinz, Ragu, Dolmio...all reliable in my experience :)

Guido (My Alfredo Source) tells me there may not be a 60D...

[tgara]

Guido (My Alfredo Source) tells me there may not be a 60D...

Then again, it may be. :cool:

[gconda]

u guyz are too funny

[JohnTheLuck]

How much for a Canon?

http://miva01.nyi.net/graphics/00000001/lgcanon.jpg

My Canon is bigger than yours...

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/118/049_F102134~Power-Battleship-Posters.jpg

JTL

[Hulka]

Ha, I have a 1000D :p


Isn't that called a Rebel XS here is the states?????

[ckckevin]

I think after 900d, it will go up to 1100d and skip 1000d, or just simply change name to not use d any more...

[kidfiji]

they might do something like 50D -> 55D -> 60D -> 65D etc.
kinda like 400D -> 450D -> 500D

[DStanic]

The 7D would have been a fantastic boost to the xxD lineup, but they gave it a new name instead, which is fine. So that still leaves the 60D in the picture. What will it have?

I'm hoping it will carry a few features that the 7D has such as:

flash transmitter
same IQ (or at least the same ISO performance at lower megapixel)

From the 50D they can keep the same built quality and autofocus, as those are more then adequate for many people anyways.

Keep the same batteries are grip as the rest of the xxD cameras, obviously. :)

[Joaaso]

the latest about it on canonrumors was: "60D may see a megapixel decrease. There will be new emphasis on image quality, noise control and dynamic range." -which is exactly what I hope for..! It also seems as if we can expect it to have a new digit V processor...

[m3rdpwr]

What happens when it goes into the 100's? I have a 110D :)

Still have a 110 Film camera around somwhere...

-Mario

[Drozz119]

speaking of canons!!!

http://www.wpxi.com/video/20716250/index.html

[gconda]

this info woul come from a steelers fan !!! LOL


GO BEARS !!!

[ianphoto]

I'd buy the 36DD when it comes out... LOL

[MLphoto]

Canon always seems to improve something about the lower level cameras that is better then the ones above.

For example, when the 60D comes out it can record movies at 100fps and it will be ful frame... and stil cost less.

I'm not going to be buying a camera till early 2010, so I'll just wating and see what the 60D has in store.

[GSH]

I'd buy the 36DD when it comes out... LOL

No doubt we'll get people whining that you really need a pair of those and they're only any good for people with large hands.

Shutter button should have a nice feel to it, though it might be a bit stiff in cold weather :cool:

[CyberDyneSystems]

50D with Video...
likely the same 18MP sensor that's in the 7D,.
But none of the 7D's AF, weather sealing, etc..

It might have the 7D's on board flash (ie: with controller)

[gconda]

I'd buy the 36DD when it comes out... LOL

I've bought and sold more 36DD than I can count ! LOL !

[Bill Boehme]

No doubt we'll get people whining that you really need a pair of those and they're only any good for people with large hands.

Shutter button should have a nice feel to it, though it might be a bit stiff in cold weather :cool:

Handling qualities aside, where the rubber meets the rode, the question to be answered is how well will it perform?

[silvex]

Guido (My Alfredo Source) tells me there may not be a 60D...

I would not be surprise at all...they should make a 5dMkIIn ...12MP 8fps and all AF cross type with f/5.6 or faster...price $1800...:)

[Scampo]

Pst...

60D will have the same sensor as the 7D.

</rumor>

[sth_]

May use the same sensor but only with 4-channel readout (the maximum a single Digic IV can handle according to Canon's technical infos on the 7D). So I guess no 50/60fps video modes for this camera.