My Canon Roadmap..and an opinion or two

[KenjiS]

Since the Nikon Roadmap was leaked I was just mulling over a possible Canon roadmap for the next year or so....I even drew a little picture of my proposed AF systems :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v170/scifiguy1012/Photography/001.jpg

Now please note, im basing this partially on rumors, partially on my gut, and partially on absolutely nothing, But im also trying to stay realistic

Starting off with bodies, newest first...

EOS-1D Mark IV, announcement in late August or early September

-16mp, 1.3x crop sensor, optimized to provide low noise and high dynamic range
-12fps
-Upgraded 45-point AF, arrangement is slightly different, the center most point is slightly larger now as are the ones along the central horizontal and vertical axis, All points along the horizontal and vertical axis are additionally sensitive with f/2.8 or faster lenses and only require an f/4 to activate across the board [I know my drawing says 46, thats what i counted that mass to be....Truthfully, 46 feels "odd" to me..i probubly messed my drawing up..]
-Upgraded matrix metering, 75 zone, tied to the AF system
-24fps/30fps 1080p HD video
-Upgraded battery, Greater capacity, more accurate power readout + logging of battery serial numbers like the 5D2
-Upgraded screen, Just generally a bit better looking, better antiglare coating and etc to improve the already outstanding one in the 50D/5DII
-Slight ergonomic tweaks
-Dual Digic V Processors

Next up:

EOS 60D, Announcement in November

-15mp 1.6x sensor, Upgraded from the 50D with various improvements to tweak high ISO performance and video performance, Will come VERY close to the D300 in performance
-8fps
-11pt AF system, All cross-type with f/5.6 or faster lenses, center horizontal axis of points additionally sensative with f/2.8 or faster lenses
-Improved 45 area meter tied to the AF system
-24/30fps 1080p Video
-Upgraded battery, more accurate capacity gague and better life than the curent BG-E2, also a new battery grip
-Improved weathersealing, Now fully weathersealed with L lenses and select EF-S lenses
-Improved antiglare rear LCD
-Digic V processor
-Slight ergonomic tweaks
-Larger viewfinder...at least 98% if not 100%

Rebel T1/2000D, Also announced in November

-12mp sensor [From the XSi]
-3fps
-7-point AF
-30fps 720p Movie Mode
-Digic IV

$450-500 with a 18-55 IS

As for timing of the T1, I think that he Holiday Shopping season would treat the T1 especially well being an entry level SLR with video at a pricepoint no competetor can match..it would definately sell to gadget freaks at least, it would also not give Nikon time to counter and get a cheap SLR with video on the market before xmas...

My thoughts for this camera were price price price, Cheap and capable

The suggestion of a $450 price point is to suggest a rebate of some form around xmas time...

Now lenses...

With the 1D Mark IV:

300 f/2.8L IS II
400 f/2.8L IS II
600 f/4L IS II

These big primes all need an update, New IS[4, maybe 5 stop], tweaked ergonomics, and a new hood would be my thoughts as well as optimizations for the upgraded AF in the Mark IV

With the 60D/T1 announcement:

EF 50mm f/1.4 II
EF-S 35mm f/1.8
EF-S 60mm f/2.8 Macro II
EF-S 18-55 f/3.5-5.6 IS II
EF-S 55-250 f/4.5-5.6 IS II
EF-S 17-55 f/2.8 IS II
EF-S 10-22 f/3.5-4.5 II
EF-S 16-85 f/3.5-5.6 IS


The II versions all have a little upgraded build and at least bodyside weathersealing [IE the lens only has a gasket to seal the body] It sounds like a lot of lenses but its really just case/mount modifications to existing lenses except for 2 on there, the 50mm f/1.4 and 35mm f/1.8

Obviously those Mk IIs would only drop if they did in fact seal the 60D...

Now then..for 2010!

EOS-1Ds Mark IV, Feburary-March 2010

-28mp Full-frame
-8 fps
-Same 45-point AF as the 1D
-Same Metering as the 1D
-24/30fps 1080p HD Video
-Upgraded Battery
-3" Vari-angle LCD Screen
-Dual Digic V Processors
-Built-in Wi-Fi

EOS-5D Mark III, August/September 2010

-21mp Full-frame, Sensor upgraded with technology from the 60D to improve noise perofrmance
-5 fps
-19-point AF [the 11-point from the 60D with 8 additional assists]
-Upgraded meter from the 60D except modified for a full-frame sensor
-24/30fps 1080p HD vieo
-3" Vari-angle LCD
-Digic V
-Full weathersealing

2010 Lenses:

Launched with the 1Ds Mark IV:

EF 14-24 f/2.8
EF 70-200 f/2.8L IS II
EF 35mm f/1.4L II

Launched with the 5D Mark III:

EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS
EF 20mm f/2.8L
EF 400 f/4.5L IS


Now for something fun, I'm guessing about these two:

EOS-1D Mark IV HS

Same as the 1D Mark IV except for having a fixed pellicile mirror and 16fps capability, my guess to counter the proposed Nikon D4

EOS-1 HD

This is a digital SLR that is -designed- to shoot video with EOS lenses, full manual controls, compatability with the EF lenses as well as new EF-V lenses, level meters and interchangeable digital viewfinder, This is like an EOS-RED basically....

it would likely drop with an EF-V 24-150 f/4 IS lens as well as an EF-V 20mm f/2.8 IS

EF-V lenses are very different and differentiated with a blue ring..the mount is somehow locked out so you cant use EF-V lenses on a EF camera



Sorry for being so long winded...I hope that maybe i get something in here right or please someone :(

Heck if this made CR id be freaking -ecstatic-

[alt4852]

Since the Nikon Roadmap was leaked I was just mulling over a possible Canon roadmap for the next year or so....I even drew a little picture of my proposed AF systems :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v170/scifiguy1012/Photography/001.jpg

Now please note, im basing this partially on rumors, partially on my gut, and partially on absolutely nothing, But im also trying to stay realistic

Starting off with bodies, newest first...

EOS-1D Mark IV, announcement in late August or early September

-16mp, 1.3x crop sensor, optimized to provide low noise and high dynamic range
-12fps
-Upgraded 45-point AF, arrangement is slightly different, the center most point is slightly larger now as are the ones along the central horizontal and vertical axis, All points along the horizontal and vertical axis are additionally sensitive with f/2.8 or faster lenses and only require an f/4 to activate across the board [I know my drawing says 46, thats what i counted that mass to be....Truthfully, 46 feels "odd" to me..i probubly messed my drawing up..]
-Upgraded matrix metering, 75 zone, tied to the AF system
-24fps/30fps 1080p HD video
-Upgraded battery, Greater capacity, more accurate power readout + logging of battery serial numbers like the 5D2
-Upgraded screen, Just generally a bit better looking, better antiglare coating and etc to improve the already outstanding one in the 50D/5DII
-Slight ergonomic tweaks
-Dual Digic V Processors

Next up:

EOS 60D, Announcement in November

-15mp 1.6x sensor, Upgraded from the 50D with various improvements to tweak high ISO performance and video performance, Will come VERY close to the D300 in performance
-8fps
-11pt AF system, All cross-type with f/5.6 or faster lenses, center horizontal axis of points additionally sensative with f/2.8 or faster lenses
-Improved 45 area meter tied to the AF system
-24/30fps 1080p Video
-Upgraded battery, more accurate capacity gague and better life than the curent BG-E2, also a new battery grip
-Improved weathersealing, Now fully weathersealed with L lenses and select EF-S lenses
-Improved antiglare rear LCD
-Digic V processor
-Slight ergonomic tweaks
-Larger viewfinder...at least 98% if not 100%

Rebel T1/2000D, Also announced in November

-12mp sensor [From the XSi]
-3fps
-7-point AF
-30fps 720p Movie Mode
-Digic IV

$450-500 with a 18-55 IS

As for timing of the T1, I think that he Holiday Shopping season would treat the T1 especially well being an entry level SLR with video at a pricepoint no competetor can match..it would definately sell to gadget freaks at least, it would also not give Nikon time to counter and get a cheap SLR with video on the market before xmas...

My thoughts for this camera were price price price, Cheap and capable

The suggestion of a $450 price point is to suggest a rebate of some form around xmas time...

Now lenses...

With the 1D Mark IV:

300 f/2.8L IS II
400 f/2.8L IS II
600 f/4L IS II

These big primes all need an update, New IS[4, maybe 5 stop], tweaked ergonomics, and a new hood would be my thoughts as well as optimizations for the upgraded AF in the Mark IV

With the 60D/T1 announcement:

EF 50mm f/1.4 II
EF-S 35mm f/1.8
EF-S 60mm f/2.8 Macro II
EF-S 18-55 f/3.5-5.6 IS II
EF-S 55-250 f/4.5-5.6 IS II
EF-S 17-55 f/2.8 IS II
EF-S 10-22 f/3.5-4.5 II
EF-S 16-85 f/3.5-5.6 IS


The II versions all have a little upgraded build and at least bodyside weathersealing [IE the lens only has a gasket to seal the body] It sounds like a lot of lenses but its really just case/mount modifications to existing lenses except for 2 on there, the 50mm f/1.4 and 35mm f/1.8

Obviously those Mk IIs would only drop if they did in fact seal the 60D...

Now then..for 2010!

EOS-1Ds Mark IV, Feburary-March 2010

-28mp Full-frame
-8 fps
-Same 45-point AF as the 1D
-Same Metering as the 1D
-24/30fps 1080p HD Video
-Upgraded Battery
-3" Vari-angle LCD Screen
-Dual Digic V Processors
-Built-in Wi-Fi

EOS-5D Mark III, August/September 2010

-21mp Full-frame, Sensor upgraded with technology from the 60D to improve noise perofrmance
-5 fps
-19-point AF [the 11-point from the 60D with 8 additional assists]
-Upgraded meter from the 60D except modified for a full-frame sensor
-24/30fps 1080p HD vieo
-3" Vari-angle LCD
-Digic V
-Full weathersealing

2010 Lenses:

Launched with the 1Ds Mark IV:

EF 14-24 f/2.8
EF 70-200 f/2.8L IS II
EF 35mm f/1.4L II

Launched with the 5D Mark III:

EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS
EF 20mm f/2.8L
EF 400 f/4.5L IS


Now for something fun, I'm guessing about these two:

EOS-1D Mark IV HS

Same as the 1D Mark IV except for having a fixed pellicile mirror and 16fps capability, my guess to counter the proposed Nikon D4

EOS-1 HD

This is a digital SLR that is -designed- to shoot video with EOS lenses, full manual controls, compatability with the EF lenses as well as new EF-V lenses, level meters and interchangeable digital viewfinder, This is like an EOS-RED basically....

it would likely drop with an EF-V 24-150 f/4 IS lens as well as an EF-V 20mm f/2.8 IS

EF-V lenses are very different and differentiated with a blue ring..the mount is somehow locked out so you cant use EF-V lenses on a EF camera



Sorry for being so long winded...I hope that maybe i get something in here right or please someone :(

Heck if this made CR id be freaking -ecstatic-

hate to say it, but barely any of this sounds realistic.

[yuriyo923]

I like.. hope you are right :)

[KenjiS]

I like.. hope you are right :)

I tried :)

[Stealthy Ninja]

Man, I'd like that lens prediction to be true.

I'm in the market for the 70-200 2.8IS mark II (or mark 1).
I think the 24-70 II/ISwill come sooner, but we all know what I think. ;)

BTW the "Nikon Leak" doesn't sound realistic too. I suspect the Nikon leak is a hoax.

A nikon beating/equaling 14-24 2.8 would be pretty nice too. :D

[KenjiS]

Man, I'd like that lens prediction to be true.

I'm in the market for the 70-200 2.8IS mark II (or mark 1).
I think the 24-70 II/ISwill come sooner, but we all know what I think. ;)

BTW the "Nikon Leak" doesn't sound realistic too. I suspect the Nikon leak is a hoax.

A nikon beating/equaling 14-24 2.8 would be pretty nice too. :D

Hey I like your thinking on the matter really, since you're in HK and everything..I definately think theres a 24-70 f/2.8 IS coming, I just dont know when...

[Yohan Pamudji]

And I thought the Nikon lens roadmap was a stretch! :D

The big primes are probably the lenses least in need of updates. They might benefit from the latest version of IS, but they're already among the best EF lenses in terms of sharpness and AF. I'm not seeing them updated anytime soon, let alone this year. They've got bigger fish to fry like putting out a UWA that doesn't get smoked by Nikon's 14-24 and improving the 24-70L.

So on the flipside I think your 2010 lenses are all believable, although 6 in 1 year is a bit much.

8 lenses with the 60D? Is that a "pick a lens, any lens" type of thing or are you thinking all 8 will come out at the same time? If the latter, you're nuts :)

Your 5DIII has everything I wanted in the 5DII and still want except for the tilt screen.

I hope you're close on the 60D too. That would be a killer camera.

[KenjiS]

And I thought the Nikon lens roadmap was a stretch! :D

The big primes are probably the lenses least in need of updates. They might benefit from the latest version of IS, but they're already among the best EF lenses in terms of sharpness and AF. I'm not seeing them updated anytime soon, let alone this year. They've got bigger fish to fry like putting out a UWA that doesn't get smoked by Nikon's 14-24 and improving the 24-70L.

So on the flipside I think your 2010 lenses are all believable, although 6 in 1 year is a bit much.

8 lenses with the 60D? Is that a "pick a lens, any lens" type of thing or are you thinking all 8 will come out at the same time? If the latter, you're nuts :)

Your 5DIII has everything I wanted in the 5DII and still want except for the tilt screen.

I hope you're close on the 60D too. That would be a killer camera.

True, I somewhat agree on the big primes, but Canon also updated the 24mm TS lens which probubly sells even -less- than the big L primes

I would very much like to see a 14-24 Canon and a 24-70 f/2.8 IS come out, I guess six in the idea of "One wide, one standard, one tele"

And yes, 8 lenses at once is a bit much, but the only improvement i suggested to them was a rubber gasket that seals the lens mount, Basically they're the same lens with a modification to the lens mount to seal the 60D off from the elements [The lenses themselves are the same] Of course I also didnt think about the idea of them just putting said gasket in the mount somehow, So the body is always sealed so long as a lens is attached..

I based my 60D off of one rumor posted a long time ago at CR, Also off an interview i read with someone speaking to a guy who works for Canon after the 50D launch, Asking about AF in the xxD, He confirmed that while the next xxD is not getting 1D-levels of AF, Its getting a new AF system, and that 11-13 points is a realistic expectation, and thats perfectly OK with me

He also said it would be -derived- from the 45-points in the 1D series, Again, Nothing wrong with that at all :)

[hk300]

nice post!

... however, you forgot the Canon 7D which will be announced end of this year or beginning of next year (before you upgrade of the Canon 5D II)

Spec
16M pixels
FF
Similar to 5DII


Why i believe that there is a 7D?
- Because the 5D II is too expensive for some (like me).
- Not everyone needs 20+Mp
- Currently, the 50D or 60D does not give the extra boost for current 40D (50d? ) users and there is only FF to choose for.
- the 5D used to be the cheapest FF DSLR, but nowadays, the Nikon D700 is about usd300 cheaper than the 5D II. A 7D priced usd200 or so lower than the D700, will kill the D700 ... and relieves the 5Dii from price reductions!

[jam51]

DSLR body and lens volumes and revenues have been very weak year to date after years of very strong growth. See http://www.cipa.jp/english/ for shipment and revenue data. I don't think that Canon (on this roadmap) or Nikon (on the supposed Nikon leak) are going to dump this much new product in a market that continues to retreat. The camera announcement dates are plausible but the lens refreshes are a stretch.

[bps]

If something like this came out, my credit card would get used and abused...

Bryan

[KenjiS]

nice post!

... however, you forgot the Canon 7D which will be announced end of this year or beginning of next year (before you upgrade of the Canon 5D II)

Spec
16M pixels
FF
Similar to 5DII


Why i believe that there is a 7D?
- Because the 5D II is too expensive for some (like me).
- Not everyone needs 20+Mp
- Currently, the 50D or 60D does not give the extra boost for current 40D (50d? ) users and there is only FF to choose for.
- the 5D used to be the cheapest FF DSLR, but nowadays, the Nikon D700 is about usd300 cheaper than the 5D II. A 7D priced usd200 or so lower than the D700, will kill the D700 ... and relieves the 5Dii from price reductions!

I agree, but i think that Canon is waiting on Sony releasing their rumored slew of cheap FF dSLRs [From what i understand Sony is going to have 3, the a800, a900 and one rumored to be the a1 or something....the a800 will be about $2000 mind you and the a1 will be in the $4-5k range...if Sony did this, then Canon would likely be the first to retaliate, as I see Sony pulling some serious strings to stop Nikon from retaliating immediately]

Sony's strategy is to be mostly full-frame, with only the absolute cheapest entry level bodies being crop cameras...Good strategy actually, because I bet many people would jump to Sony specifically for a $2000 16-18mp FF DSLR....

[Paul Li]

LULZ dual core processor, nice

[jonoxplor]

LULZ dual core processor, nice

...What are you on? Dual imaging processors.. not dual core...

the 1D Mark III has Dual Digic III processors.


Nice roadmap.. I wish it was true!

[KenjiS]

...What are you on? Dual imaging processors.. not dual core...

the 1D Mark III has Dual Digic III processors.


Nice roadmap.. I wish it was true!

Funny enough at first i did think of Dual Core instead of Dual Processor since everythings going to a dual core architechture, but i figured that it would increase cost because instead of placing 2 of a processor you already produce for use in other cameras in the body, you'd have to produce a single new processor die and everything that would only be used in your highest tier product, making said processor VERY expensive to sell and likely not imparting much advantage...

[Traumuh]

I want the 1DIV to come out so I can buy a 1DIII. :)

[Stealthy Ninja]

Reading it again... I really hope the 35 1.8 is not an EF-S... ;)

[KenjiS]

Reading it again... I really hope the 35 1.8 is not an EF-S... ;)

I suppose Canon could launch a 35 f/1.8 as a cheap prime to have in case the rumors of the 7D are true...

Or if the rumors about Sony come true..

[Stealthy Ninja]

I suppose Canon could launch a 35 f/1.8 as a cheap prime to have in case the rumors of the 7D are true...

Or if the rumors about Sony come true..

I also think something like the 35 1.8 will come out. I don't know why they'd make it EF-S though, doesn't make sense to me (says the guy who owns a 5DII and a 5D) :lol:

[heladepela]

I'll keep a close eye on this thread to see if any predictions come true. I'll be in the market for a 24-70 f2.8 and 70-200 f2.8 soon, and have been holding off because of all this rumour mongering here :p

[CyberDyneSystems]

Just a point of note,
Usually the 10D/50D model is announced in August September,..
and the 1D models are announced in February,.

ie: based on every release since the 1D2 and 20D, you have these reversed.

[KenjiS]

Just a point of note,
Usually the 10D/50D model is announced in August September,..
and the 1D models are announced in February,.

ie: based on every release since the 1D2 and 20D, you have these reversed.

Good point...

Could be extended beta testing for the next 1D given the Mark IIIs issues and thats why we're seeing the NDAs and rumors cropping up on the Mk IV so early...

[wickerprints]

Just to let you know, 28MP @ 8 fps is not realistic. Why? Because you would need a sustained data bandwidth of 267 MB/s just to push all that image data onto a CF card. No CF card is known to write that fast. The UDMA standard enables a maximum transfer rate of 133 MB/s, only half that of the required bandwidth proposed. As such, CF technology would have to be dramatically improved and updated before this kind of data transfer rate could be realized.

[KenjiS]

Just to let you know, 28MP @ 8 fps is not realistic. Why? Because you would need a sustained data bandwidth of 267 MB/s just to push all that image data onto a CF card. No CF card is known to write that fast. The UDMA standard enables a maximum transfer rate of 133 MB/s, only half that of the required bandwidth proposed. As such, CF technology would have to be dramatically improved and updated before this kind of data transfer rate could be realized.

CFast is theoretically 300Mb/s :) But I see what you're saying, I didnt realize or think about the data bandwidth involved in such a thing...

[wickerprints]

CFast is theoretically 300Mb/s :) But I see what you're saying, I didnt realize or think about the data bandwidth involved in such a thing...

CFast != CF. It isn't backward compatible. As such it's not likely to be adopted anytime soon. The last thing photographers need is to have to buy entire new collections of cards that they can't use interchangeably with their existing bodies. And the theoretical bandwidth is still just barely enough--which means it's not likely to actually be enough in practice. And good luck with developing low-power, low-cost processors to handle that amount of data.... That kind of performance per dollar per watt is just not gonna happen for at least another five years or so. Would it be nice? Well, yeah...but so would having a 35mm sensor that captures 50MP @ 30fps @ 256000 ISO with no noise. If you're going to dream, do it big. :p

[Stealthy Ninja]

Come now wickerprints. Let's not let something like practicality get in the way of KenjiS' dreams.

;)

[KenjiS]

Come now wickerprints. Let's not let something like practicality get in the way of KenjiS' dreams.

;)

Meh its fine :)

anyways my lens predictions might just have been completely derailed by this:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0907/09072207canonhybridIS.asp

[Stealthy Ninja]

Wow DPR just went crazy, posting 9 things really fast (after not much stuff recently).

Also Canon Rumours has new 24-70 and 70-200 2.8 IS rumours (end of August some dude says)

http://www.canonrumors.com/2009/07/new-is-lenses-cr1/

If they are announcing their hybrid tech now, makes sense they might bring out some new IS lenses soon to "show it off". Probably been in development for a while. :)

Dreaming is fun. :)

[KenjiS]

Wow DPR just went crazy, posting 9 things really fast (after not much stuff recently).

Also Canon Rumours has new 24-70 and 70-200 2.8 IS rumours (end of August some dude says)

http://www.canonrumors.com/2009/07/new-is-lenses-cr1/

If they are announcing their hybrid tech now, makes sense they might bring out some new IS lenses soon to "show it off". Probably been in development for a while. :)

Dreaming is fun. :)

Well they stated that it will be in at least one new lens before the end of the year..

I'm excited :D Hybrid-IS? Take that Nikon!

[Stealthy Ninja]

Cool. I'm happy. They'll probably announce it next month I guess.

Man I hope it's the 70-200 2.8L IS. :) (it would cost more, but I'd pay a bit more for it).

It will probably be in some telephoto prime I can't afford. :(

[CyberDyneSystems]

Just to let you know, 28MP @ 8 fps is not realistic. Why? Because you would need a sustained data bandwidth of 267 MB/s just to push all that image data onto a CF card. No CF card is known to write that fast.

So we'd be back to the point where cameras are faster than CF cards, that's the way it was for many years, it's only been in the last few years that card speeds have out-paced the fastest cameras.

I'm not saying I think 28MP @ 8FPS is realistic for a camera being released in a year,...
I'm just saying your reason re: Card speed is not what would stop Canon from doing it. That's what buffers have always been there for.

[KenjiS]

According to the new Canonrumors im pretty freaking close on my specs!

19-point AF over 11, but thats no biggie..still all cross type

7.4 fps at 14-bit...thats close

New battery...

Heres hoping :)

[Jannie]

I think the OP's ideas for the 1DMKIV make sense but I'm guessing they will offer some other new technology, like the new IS I read about. And it probably will include some kind of movie thingy.

The 1DsMKIV however I'm guessing will be something heavy duty to challenge the medium format market, by offering something extra special in the sensor, that camera is usually the heavy duty studio type workhorse and is less about bells and whistles than the MKIII or MKIV will be.

[Jannie]

Speaking of C F cards, muly Costco isn't stocking any of them and the are't stocking the 4G SDHC cards but are stocking the 8G SDHC cards, a pack of 2, 8G SDHC for $59.95

[KenjiS]

I think the OP's ideas for the 1DMKIV make sense but I'm guessing they will offer some other new technology, like the new IS I read about. And it probably will include some kind of movie thingy.

The 1DsMKIV however I'm guessing will be something heavy duty to challenge the medium format market, by offering something extra special in the sensor, that camera is usually the heavy duty studio type workhorse and is less about bells and whistles than the MKIII or MKIV will be.


The 1DsMkIV could also evolve to be a sort of RED-like competetor in additon to its studio workhorse status

IE it could offer a cradle or something to allow you to dock it and use it with more storage and things for professional video shooting....

[HappySnapper90]

Haha, a funny roadmap.

First from history, Canon announced P&S's and amateur SLR cameras before pro cameras. So your order is backwards. Second is you won't see Canon making a new lens that is on a 1/3 stop aperture setting like your 400 f4.5. 3rd it'd be stupid for Canon to add just 2 AF points to the 50D model line.


19-point AF over 11, but thats no biggie..still all cross type


Lol, there's been people talking about a 19 AF point autofocus array for Canon amateur SLRs for a few years now and nothing. It's really just a perpetuated rumor that holds no weight. If there is a 60D this fall, it'll have the 50D's auto focus system. Remember Canon upgraded the 50D model line's focusing system just 2 years ago with the 40D. 2 years is too short a time for Canon to upgrade it yet again.

[District_History_Fan]

I must admit to being excited about the possibilities the 60D could mean for us Canon diehards. Money is tight, but if this camera is speced close to the rumours, I'll find a way to get one. Come on Canon, lets have it!

[HappySnapper90]

I must admit to being excited about the possibilities the 60D could mean for us Canon diehards. Money is tight, but if this camera is speced close to the rumours, I'll find a way to get one. Come on Canon, lets have it!

You mean that it'll be a 50D with video, bigger buffer,maybe 1fps more? Same 50D sensor. It should be called the 50Ds like the d300s. Both nikon and Canon are sitting out on the significant advanced amateur model upgrade because of the poor global economy.

[KenjiS]

You mean that it'll be a 50D with video, bigger buffer,maybe 1fps more? Same 50D sensor. It should be called the 50Ds like the d300s. Both nikon and Canon are sitting out on the significant advanced amateur model upgrade because of the poor global economy.

What you're neglecting is that the D300 is also the best in its class right now...the D300 didnt need much to upgrade itself

Sony isnt sitting on its ass either if rumors are to be believed, the backlit exmor sensor for instance has -VERY- high quality at high ISOs in Sony's video cameras...

Canon cant sit on the AF system of the xxD series, and I'm telling you that a rep confirmed the next xxD after the 50D was getting an improved AF system, He didnt say much about points but that it wasnt going to be 45 points, but it would be more than the Rebel

Every company, and I mean -every- company is fielding an SLR in the xxD price class that has more AF points and a stronger AF framework in the body than Canon, Thats SAD and PATHETIC..Even PENTAX is fielding more than 9-points, Olympus is too, so is Sony and Nikon....Put a good AF-S lens on the D300 and it beats the 50D any day of the week

19 points makes sense because its the 45-point sensor without the assist points, thus reducing costs and also meaning that the existing speedlight AF assist will still function, If the 1D gets a new version of the classic 45-point sensor, it might also have been scaled down size wise to fit in the smaller camera bodies...

And whats wrong with a 1/3rd aperture stop setting? Who dictates lenses all have to be in 1 stop increments? Nikon and Minolta used to field 400mm f/4.5 lenses and so did Canon, They were the intermediate steps between f/5.6 and f/2.8 historically.....

[jrfoto]

nice post!

... however, you forgot the Canon 7D which will be announced end of this year or beginning of next year (before you upgrade of the Canon 5D II)

Spec
16M pixels
FF
Similar to 5DII


Why i believe that there is a 7D?
- Because the 5D II is too expensive for some (like me).
- Not everyone needs 20+Mp
- Currently, the 50D or 60D does not give the extra boost for current 40D (50d? ) users and there is only FF to choose for.
- the 5D used to be the cheapest FF DSLR, but nowadays, the Nikon D700 is about usd300 cheaper than the 5D II. A 7D priced usd200 or so lower than the D700, will kill the D700 ... and relieves the 5Dii from price reductions!

What about a 7D (or 6D ?) that would relate to the 5D mkII like the 1D does to the 1Ds? i.e. a camera similar to the 5D mkII but with a 1.3 crop sensor, faster frame rate etc.

[KenjiS]

What about a 7D (or 6D ?) that would relate to the 5D mkII like the 1D does to the 1Ds? i.e. a camera similar to the 5D mkII but with a 1.3 crop sensor, faster frame rate etc.

I dont know to be honest..

I'm torn on the 7D thing, i suppose it depends on price..For the same cost as a 5DII, I see it as pointless...but if it was closer to the D300 in price i could see a legitimate argument for it being Canon's "answer" to the D300/D700..

I think id rather see the 5DIII gain a crop 1.3x mode instead however

[HappySnapper90]

What you're neglecting is that the D300 is also the best in its class right now...the D300 didnt need much to upgrade itself
What? upgrade itself? Please try to say that again. All nikon did was throw the d3 focusing system into the d300.

[/quote] Sony isnt sitting on its ass either if rumors are to be believed, the backlit exmor sensor for instance has -VERY- high quality at high ISOs in Sony's video cameras...[/quote] backlit is for small P&S sensors only with tiny circuitry in the sensor is where the benefit is. It isn't someone to improve anything in larger aps-c+ sensors.

[/quote]Canon cant sit on the AF system of the xxD series, and I'm telling you that a rep confirmed the next xxD after the 50D was getting an improved AF system, He didnt say much about points but that it wasnt going to be 45 points, but it would be more than the Rebel [/quote]
You should know by now that Canon rep's aren't given advanced info on new products and features. There's probably last minute decision making as to which prototype gets put into production and the different prototypes may have considerably different features, performance and characteristics.

[/quote] Every company, and I mean -every- company is fielding an SLR in the xxD price class that has more AF points and a stronger AF framework in the body than Canon, Thats SAD and PATHETIC..Even PENTAX is fielding more than 9-points, Olympus is too, so is Sony and Nikon....Put a good AF-S lens on the D300 and it beats the 50D any day of the week [/quote]
Ok, so you're into quantity instead of quality, eh? More is always better to you, right? I've used the 40/50D focusing system and it is very good. It beats similar film SLR models such as the Elan7n.

[/quote] 19 points makes sense because its the 45-point sensor without the assist points, [/quote]
I laugh every time I see someone says "that seems reasonable" or "makes sense" with regards to a rumor. Just because a rumor is not outlandish and sounds like it "could" happen, doesn't mean that it will actually happen! :D


[/quote] And whats wrong with a 1/3rd aperture stop setting? Who dictates lenses all have to be in 1 stop increments? Nikon and Minolta used to field 400mm f/4.5 lenses and so did Canon, They were the intermediate steps between f/5.6 and f/2.8 historically.....[/quote]

Nothing's "wrong" with it, just show me the last time Canon put out a prime 100mm or longer that wasn't at a full stop aperture. I'll help you out, there isn't one in their current list of lenses.

[SC_Highlander]

According to the new Canonrumors im pretty freaking close on my specs!

19-point AF over 11, but thats no biggie..still all cross type

7.4 fps at 14-bit...thats close

New battery...

Heres hoping :)


very cool.