Canon DSLR FPS...

[mikeassk]

I do not know if it is a combination of buffer and mechanical or just one of the 2 or more reasons why some Canon cameras have "slower" FPS.

I am curious of how many would like to see Canon implement a sort of high FPS for only short bursts. Like 7-9 FPS for only 12-15 shots.

I suppose this would only work if the difficulty is getting the FPS that high is limited to mechanical/buffer or even power supply like in Nikon camp.

[picturecrazy]

It's a combo of both.

Mechanically, the shutter/mirror has to move much faster. Therefore, it's subjected to much higher forces. To cope with that, it has to be built more robustly. That in turn, costs more money. They need to cut expenses somewhere to bring cameras to us cheaply.

Another issue is that even if the buffer and shutter could handle a high burst rate, it would need the support of a very advanced and BLAZING FAST autofocus system which is capable of predictive tracking, and can still work while only being able to "see" what you're focusing on during the milliseconds between each burst. It's no coincidence that Nikon's D300/D700 can support both high burst rates AND have the same pro focusing system as the D3.

I think Nikon is software limiting their burst rates in order to sell more grips. I often shoot at 8fps with no grip on my D700, and it works and autofocuses fine.

[mikeassk]

It's a combo of both.

I often shoot at 8fps with no grip on my D700, and it works and autofocuses fine.

???
Really with no grip?

[wytwolf]

I think that statement is fishy also. Right from Nikon's website:

"Continuous shooting speed is up to 5 frames per second with the included Rechargeable Li-ion Battery EN-EL3e, and up to 8 frames per second when using the optional Multi-Power Battery Pack MB-D10 and Rechargeable Li-ion Battery EN-EL4a/4 or eight AA-size batteries"

[Thalagyrt]

That doesn't mean it isn't artificially limited.

[picturecrazy]

???
Really with no grip?

I think that statement is fishy also. Right from Nikon's website:

"Continuous shooting speed is up to 5 frames per second with the included Rechargeable Li-ion Battery EN-EL3e, and up to 8 frames per second when using the optional Multi-Power Battery Pack MB-D10 and Rechargeable Li-ion Battery EN-EL4a/4 or eight AA-size batteries"


Do you own the D300/D700? If you do, then you probably know that you can get 8fps with no grip just by turning on auto bracketing. But you can also get 8fps without auto bracketing. Just press the shutter release at 8fps and you get 8fps. It's not very hard to do actually.

Which is why I think this 8fps with grip only nonsense is just that. Nonsense. Just to sell more grips.

[bigland]

Do you own the D300/D700? If you do, then you probably know that you can get 8fps with no grip just by turning on auto bracketing. But you can also get 8fps without auto bracketing. Just press the shutter release at 8fps and you get 8fps. It's not very hard to do actually.

Which is why I think this 8fps with grip only nonsense is just that. Nonsense. Just to sell more grips.

Do you mean press and release the shutter release 8 times per second?

If so, you have some crazy speed! :)

[CyberDyneSystems]

I've been able to get myself 5 FPS triggered manually on a 1D,. but can't imagine the gunfighter/Video game demigod that can actually trigger a shutter 8 times per second!

Amazing!

[mikeassk]

Hey I was just asking Lloyd. I did not think it was "fishy". You are perhaps among the most credible sources on this forum.
I am intrigued to here about this as have very limited experience with Nikon DLSR

[picturecrazy]

Do you mean press and release the shutter release 8 times per second?

If so, you have some crazy speed! :)

I've been able to get myself 5 FPS triggered manually on a 1D,. but can't imagine the gunfighter/Video game demigod that can actually trigger a shutter 8 times per second!

Amazing!

Get your hands on a D700. It's nowhere near as hard to do as you may think. The button is so sensitive that you really only have to press it a fraction of a millimetre to trigger it. I'll bet i can get 10fps if the camera would let me.

Hey I was just asking Lloyd. I did not think it was "fishy". You are perhaps among the most credible sources on this forum.
I am intrigued to here about this as have very limited experience with Nikon DLSR

Next time you are holding a D700, try it. But you have to be on SINGLE shot mode. If you are on high burst (CH) mode, it will ONLY burst at 5fps no matter how fast you press the shutter. But if you are in single shot mode, 8fps finger presses means 8fps picture taking.

[Bob_A]

Get your hands on a D700. It's nowhere near as hard to do as you may think. The button is so sensitive that you really only have to press it a fraction of a millimetre to trigger it. I'll bet i can get 10fps if the camera would let me.



Next time you are holding a D700, try it. But you have to be on SINGLE shot mode. If you are on high burst (CH) mode, it will ONLY burst at 5fps no matter how fast you press the shutter. But if you are in single shot mode, 8fps finger presses means 8fps picture taking.

Sounds like someone needs to come up with a firmware hack for the D700 :)

[alt4852]

Get your hands on a D700. It's nowhere near as hard to do as you may think. The button is so sensitive that you really only have to press it a fraction of a millimetre to trigger it. I'll bet i can get 10fps if the camera would let me.

i'd love to see a video of this. i've used a d700 for quite some time and even with it's softer shutter release, i don't think it's physically possible to get eight, let alone ten frames per second manually.

[Bob_A]

i'd love to see a video of this. i've used a d700 for quite some time and even with it's softer shutter release, i don't think it's physically possible to get eight, let alone ten frames per second manually.

Videos of getting 8 fps without a grip, although not manually (at least for the first one):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG5UKwgGRJI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SLPBAQ6MZ4

[alt4852]

Videos of getting 8 fps without a grip, although not manually (at least for the first one):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG5UKwgGRJI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SLPBAQ6MZ4

that doesn't show anything. i'm wondering how someone can expect to press the shutter release eight to ten times per second on one shot mode.

[bigland]

that doesn't show anything. i'm wondering how someone can expect to press the shutter release eight to ten times per second on one shot mode.

Please see below! :)

I've been able to get myself 5 FPS triggered manually on a 1D,. but can't imagine the gunfighter/Video game demigod that can actually trigger a shutter 8 times per second!

Amazing!

I have seem some crazy gamers. I am sure the same tapping can be applied to the D700 and its sensitive shutter release.

[wytwolf]

Please see below! :)



I have seem some crazy gamers. I am sure the same tapping can be applied to the D700 and its sensitive shutter release.


But why take a picture when the outcome will look like your went into a seizure?:rolleyes: The controllers from those rapid fire gamers a vibrating too much to get any usable picture.

[alt4852]

I have seem some crazy gamers. I am sure the same tapping can be applied to the D700 and its sensitive shutter release.

if there was such a person, i'm sure they would be better served making money by winning counterstrike tournaments than wasting their potential by pushing shutter release buttons.

[bigland]

You are right folks: we MUST not have fun!

picturecrazy: You must immediately stop getting 8 FPS and start doing something much more constructive.

:rolleyes:

[picturecrazy]

wow guys. seriously. It's not that hard. I've never thought of making a video (I don't know darn thing about video) so maybe I'll try it out and show how easy it actually is.

[ceriltheblade]

at first I felt silly opening the thread wondering what first person shooter games had to do with cameras (FPS), and thereby realizing that it meant frames per second....
but after reading the thread...
i think I was right! :)

I am pretty sure that I could nail out 8 presses per second for a second or two, but I doubt that my joystick finger could hold it for much longer!!! :)

very informative thread - though it isn't clear why this is in the rumours section....

[alt4852]

You are right folks: we MUST not have fun!

what? who ever said anything about not having fun?

the discussion is about how realistic it is to use one shot shutter release mode to shoot eight to ten frames per second. i think a claim that you can accurately shoot high quality and well focused images at ten frames per second in one shot mode is a bit of a stretch. it was a tongue in cheek comment when i mentioned that someone who could accurately depress a shutter release ten times a second would be great at playing counterstrike.

your sarcastic remark about not having fun doesn't make any sense.

[Javiert92]

funny how the "canon DSLR FPS" thread turned into the "d700: how to fire 8fps" thread hehe

[bigland]

if there was such a person, i'm sure they would be better served making money by winning counterstrike tournaments than wasting their potential by pushing shutter release buttons.

what? who ever said anything about not having fun?

the discussion is about how realistic it is to use one shot shutter release mode to shoot eight to ten frames per second. i think a claim that you can accurately shoot high quality and well focused images at ten frames per second in one shot mode is a bit of a stretch. it was a tongue in cheek comment when i mentioned that someone who could accurately depress a shutter release ten times a second would be great at playing counterstrike.

your sarcastic remark about not having fun doesn't make any sense.

Yeah, you are probably right. :) It just seemed to me that everyone was automatically doubting picturecrazy.

If he says he can do 8 FPS, who are we to say he can't? Physically, 8FPS is possible, so he might very well be able to do what he claims.

Do I think you will get shots as good as the cameras high speed burst? No, probably not - you have to concentrate on too many things. Do I think 8 FPS is possible? Absolutely!

[CyberDyneSystems]

Get your hands on a D700. It's nowhere near as hard to do as you may think. The button is so sensitive that you really only have to press it a fraction of a millimetre to trigger it. I'll bet i can get 10fps if the camera would let me.

....

Not me, I've timed my ability ,. and I can't break into 7fps on my own. Usually 5, occasional up to 6-ish, This is why I set the "slow" setting on my MkIII to 6 FPS,.. . it's just one FPS faster than I can do on my own.

I don't think the D700 shutter release would = me being that much faster.

[CyberDyneSystems]

Hey I was just asking Lloyd. I did not think it was "fishy". You are perhaps among the most credible sources on this forum.
I am intrigued to here about this as have very limited experience with Nikon DLSR

I can't confirm what Lloyd is talking about re: the D700 buffer etc.. sorry if I gave that impression. The camera I am using to trigger @ 5 fps "manually" is a camera that is rated and capable of shooting @ 10fps. (ie: the 1D MkIII ) so it can handle all the speed my fingers can throw at it.

My comment was merely one of incredulity re: being able to trigger any camera that fast.. :shock:

[picturecrazy]

Yeah, why on earth has this been moved to Rumors and Predictions? Doesn't seem to fit there.

Anyhow, since many people don't seem to believe me (not only on POTN) I recorded a really really lousy video of my triggering of the D700. I don't know a thing about video so I'm actually proud of myself that I managed to get this on youtube... LOL!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Of6HVoVT8b8

First is a 8fps burst my pressing the release at 8fps. Then I switch it to Continuous High mode and it maxes out at 5fps.

As you can see... not that hard.

[bigland]

Thanks for the video!

Have you timed yourself doing this?

Edit: the continuous high mode does seem slower than 5FPS though.

[picturecrazy]

Thanks for the video!

Have you timed yourself doing this?

Edit: the continuous high mode does seem slower than 5FPS though.

The CH mode is definitely 5fps. I triggered it alongside my 1Ds3 and they both fire at the same rate. It sounds a lot faster than, say, a 5fps 30D because the D700/1Ds release is SO fast that it sounds like one SNAP. On a 30D, the whole release process is much slower, it sounds like a two syllable 'cha-ching' which actually makes it sounds a lot faster as there is a minimal amount of detectable silence between each shot.

[CyberDyneSystems]

Yeah, why on earth has this been moved to Rumors and Predictions? Doesn't seem to fit there....

read the first post.
This thread is not discussing any existing camera, it's a wish list for what people would like Canon to do.
The rumor section is full of wish list and dream technology.

EOS is for discussion of available EOS Cameras.

[Thalagyrt]

read the first post.
This thread is not discussing any existing camera, it's a wish list for what people would like Canon to do.
The rumor section is full of wish list and dream technology.

EOS is for discussion of available EOS Cameras.

But only the first post is a wish list, the rest of the thread has been discussing what you can get by pressing the shutter button really really fast! :lol:

[bigland]

The CH mode is definitely 5fps. I triggered it alongside my 1Ds3 and they both fire at the same rate. It sounds a lot faster than, say, a 5fps 30D because the D700/1Ds release is SO fast that it sounds like one SNAP. On a 30D, the whole release process is much slower, it sounds like a two syllable 'cha-ching' which actually makes it sounds a lot faster as there is a minimal amount of detectable silence between each shot.

Well in that case, you are definitely up around 8FPS. You are significantly faster than the burst mode. Does your usual keeper rate suffer with your "burst" mode? You seemed to do quite a good job keeping the camera steady.

[CyberDyneSystems]

But only the first post is a wish list, the rest of the thread has been discussing what you can get by pressing the shutter button really really fast! :lol:

I get the feeling that triggering a shutter manually @ 10fps might be categorized as a "wishfull thinking" too... :rolleyes:

The Vid certainly shows that one CAN trigger it faster than the burst is allowing though!

So what was the topic again?

Did you know that I have never had the hiccups since 1986?

[Thalagyrt]

I get the feeling that triggering a shutter manually @ 10fps might be categorized as a "wishfull thinking" too... :rolleyes:

The Vid certainly shows that one CAN trigger it faster than the burst is allowing though!

So what was the topic again?

Did you know that I have never had the hiccups since 1986?

Haha, I was just joking around with you dood. ;)

Also, that's an impressive run of non-hiccuping. :D

[picturecrazy]

read the first post.
This thread is not discussing any existing camera, it's a wish list for what people would like Canon to do.
The rumor section is full of wish list and dream technology.

EOS is for discussion of available EOS Cameras.

ok I see.

Well in that case, you are definitely up around 8FPS. You are significantly faster than the burst mode. Does your usual keeper rate suffer with your "burst" mode? You seemed to do quite a good job keeping the camera steady.

I don't seem to have a lower keeper rate at a manual 8fps. Usually when I am shooting at 8fps it's because I want to capture something fast. Something fast usually means high shutter speeds, which usually negates the camera shake from rapid button pushing. The focusing seems to keep up too. I'm not exactly sure why nikon insists it needs the grip for high burst.

[bigland]

I don't seem to have a lower keeper rate at a manual 8fps. Usually when I am shooting at 8fps it's because I want to capture something fast. Something fast usually means high shutter speeds, which usually negates the camera shake from rapid button pushing. The focusing seems to keep up too. I'm not exactly sure why nikon insists it needs the grip for high burst.

To sell more grips perhaps?

[Thalagyrt]

I think we just went in a circle.

[Lore]

To sell more grips perhaps?

I think we just went in a circle.

I'm betting you can get 8fps w/o a grip :eek: ;)

I've been looking at that D700 for some time now while waiting on the release of the 60D... which is what has kept me from investing in more glass since its release & just renting when I need them for now, that sucker seems to be the best of everything, other than my issues with its w/b issues that I read & lack of 'true' iso 100...

[Thalagyrt]

I'm betting you can get 8fps w/o a grip :eek: ;)

Indeedy I can! I usually have it in single frame drive though, even at sporting events. ;)

[mikeassk]

read the first post.
This thread is not discussing any existing camera, it's a wish list for what people would like Canon to do.
The rumor section is full of wish list and dream technology.

EOS is for discussion of available EOS Cameras.

Fair enough.
The camera(s) I was referring to specifically was the 5D and 1Ds series.
IE:
Full frame and lack of "standard" high burst rates.

I like shooting fisheye,
in particular the 15mm fisheye, which I currently do not own anymore. Mainly because on my 1D it is not all that fishy and wide.
I use a tokina 10-17mm. But the quality is not as nice, its a great lens, but virtually the same price as the 15mm.

Shooting surfing in the water with a high frame rate is awesome. I don't use burst for anything else.

[zaathrus]

How likely is it that the difference in FPS between the 5DII and 1DS mk3 is partially due to a firmware cripple? (And even the "shutter lag" that some experience?).

I accept that a prosumer body isn't necessarily going to have the same spec parts as a pro body, but given the economies of scale etc, there's surely going to be a great deal of common parts in both? Especially for FF sensors/shutter mechs.

[mikeassk]

How likely is it that the difference in FPS between the 5DII and 1DS mk3 is partially due to a firmware cripple? (And even the "shutter lag" that some experience?).

I accept that a prosumer body isn't necessarily going to have the same spec parts as a pro body, but given the economies of scale etc, there's surely going to be a great deal of common parts in both? Especially for FF sensors/shutter mechs.

Maybe, idunno.
What i do know is I want a canon full frame at 7+ frames per second that is not film.

[zaathrus]

Heh - wonder if those magic lantern lads found anything lurking in the firmware they could "fix"!