35 1.8 soon perhaps...

[Stealthy Ninja]

Interesting thing happened today.

I was sort of interested in checking out the 28 1.8 today (try it on my camera). So I went around the camera shops near my work. None had it... none of them. That's 6 stores in Hong Kong didn't have it... weird.

Last store I went to was a good chain store (Citicall - they usually have good camera stock and can check their stores around Hong Kong to see if any have the lens). I sort of know a dude who works there so...

Dude said:
"This lens is too new, we don't have it on the computer yet."

I said:
That lens is more than 10 years old. (funny, I know, but that's not the point)

Dude said:
"Really? Well we don't have it on the computer..." (he wasn't being rude).

Interesting... a big chain store has taken it off their stocking database...

So my rumour today is... as prior rumour dudes have a also said... is that among the new lenses that will be announced soon will be a new lens around the 28 to 35 ballpark. Previous rumours have said a 35 1.8 will be the lens (some say EF-S, but I think/hope not) so I'm going with that one as my prediction:

A 35 1.8 will come soon

[Tom W]

Canon would do well to replace the 20/2.8 and 28/1.8 family of lenses. Both could use an update in terms of optical performance (I did have a 20/2.8 that was pretty good, but its performance does not come close to the 24/1.4)

[hk300]

if Canon were to come out with a 35/1.8 or 30/1.8, it would likely be a complementary lens for crop (to compete directly to Sigma and Nikon).

[brandon9585]

I really hope there's a 35 1.8 coming out with full ring USM and good CA handling performance. The L is so much money that I'm not willing to spend at this time. I would like the consolidate my primes into 1 and I think the 35 would be perfect on a crop.

[tkbslc]

The counter argument is that the 35mm f2 is really quite nice and affordable (when stocks are at normal levels). They already updated the 28mm to a 1.8 with USM about 10 years ago as well, so why a new 30mm or 35mm 1.8 USM unless it was an uber-affordable crop only lens like Nikon's 35mm 1.8? Really I doubt nikon would have even updated their screw drive 35mm f2 if it wasn't for the demand for a good prime for their D40/60 bodies.

[CJinAustin]

Yeah, I've been looking at a 35mm 1.8 for Nikon... Really looks like a great walk around lens.

[tkbslc]

Yeah, I've been looking at a 35mm 1.8 for Nikon... Really looks like a great walk around lens.

Why is it better than a Canon 35mm f2 or 28mm 1.8? I'm just wondering why Canon would feel the need to respond with a new similar lens when they already have 2.

[Stealthy Ninja]

I think Canon are slowly updating all their lenses with new nano coating and other tech. A lot of their lenses (though perfectly fine) have pretty old technology in them. So why not slap on some nano coating and charge double?! :rolleyes:

I don't think Canon are adding a lens BTW I think they are replacing the 28 with another lens and keeping the 35 2. The 35 2 has simular "cheap" contruction that the 50 1.8 has. The 28 is "gold ring" standard. I suspect their replacing the "gold ring" in this range with something else.

JMHO. :)

[hk300]

Yeah, I've been looking at a 35mm 1.8 for Nikon... Really looks like a great walk around lens.

this is for their Nikon crop bodies ...

what i already said ... Canon will likely come out with a crop version 30~35mm/1.8 to compete with Sigma 30/1.4 (also only for crop) and this Nikon 35/1.8

They likely will not risk disturbing the 'balanced range' of their lenses.

[hk300]

Why is it better than a Canon 35mm f2 or 28mm 1.8? I'm just wondering why Canon would feel the need to respond with a new similar lens when they already have 2.

correct!

most prime lovers will want the best-of-the-best only, and will go for the L
Some crop bodies users want to get a feeling of what prime lenses can do ... the ones with low budgets will go for used lenses or buy the 'likely to arrive soon' crop prime lenses.

Canon can sell these significantly improved (optics, mechanics) lenses for lower prices than their current FF lenses, without risking annoying customers who are still willing to buy the older line.

[Stealthy Ninja]

The Sigma 30 1.4 DC sucks. It would be a good lens on a FF camera, but they went and made it DC. :lol:

Most prime lovers would go for an L lens if they could afford it. However, not everyone needs a L even if they have a FF body. Sometimes it's nice to have something light that gives good DOF control and speed in low light. A good "gold ring" prime will beat an average L zoom in most cases.

Price is a major factor too. Or else everyone would buy a 50L instead of the 50 1.4 (Canon or Sigma) or the 85L over the 85 1.8. Just because you're a "prime lover" doesn't mean you can/need to own L primes.

I don't really understand the appeal of "crop only" lenses. IMHO they don't add much to the quality of images on crop bodies, and they are sold when/if the user upgrades to FF. Just make it EF and get a wider user base. Only advantage may be the weight I suppose. But IMHO the weight advantage does not make up for the disadvantages.

[randomlinh]

I don't really understand the appeal of "crop only" lenses. IMHO they don't add much to the quality of images on crop bodies, and they are sold when/if the user upgrades to FF. Just make it EF and get a wider user base.
it's cheaper to make, and usually cheaper to the consumer, but mostly, probably more profits to canon

I love my sigma 30 tho, it's a bit smaller than a sig50 too ;)

as for competing against it's own 35/2... that thing could use better build, and USM. that's all I ask from it, and maintaining it's price point.

I'd like to see it as an EF mount, too, but it won't be that way, not many prime lovers out there, and they can't eat into the 35L =)

[Stealthy Ninja]

I'd love a 35L, but the same price buys me a 28 1.8, 85 1.8 and a 100 f/2 or 2.8 Macro. :rolleyes:

[Karl Johnston]

I think the 28 1.8 and the 20 2.8 need an update, myself, actually. what about an 18 1.4?!

[hk300]

I think the 28 1.8 and the 20 2.8 need an update, myself, actually. what about an 18 1.4?!

18mm / 1.4? Impossible ... unless it is for a mini cropped crop version (i have seen 8mm movie cameras that are 17mm/1.7 )

[hk300]

The Sigma 30 1.4 DC sucks. It would be a good lens on a FF camera, but they went and made it DC. :lol:

I don't really understand the appeal of "crop only" lenses. IMHO they don't add much to the quality of images on crop bodies, and they are sold when/if the user upgrades to FF. Just make it EF and get a wider user base. Only advantage may be the weight I suppose. But IMHO the weight advantage does not make up for the disadvantages.

Technically-wise it is easier to design and make lenses for crop cameras, therefore a Sigma 30/1.4 or a Nikon 35/1.8 are easier to make, will have lower production cost and will still appeal to a large audience.

From marketing point ofview It will also not kill their existing lenses ...

[hk300]

Price is a major factor too. Or else everyone would buy a 50L instead of the 50 1.4 (Canon or Sigma) or the 85L over the 85 1.8. Just because you're a "prime lover" doesn't mean you can/need to own L primes.



the 50L and 85L are HUGE!
so besides price, also weight is an issue.

However, if Canon dramatically improves their 'normal' prime range, it will eat into their "L" prime business, and although i suspect that the profit margin on lenses are already very high, there is no doubt that the profit margins on the "L" are even higher!

A crop prime ... no matter how good it is, will have a modest impact on the "L"

[tkbslc]

;)

as for competing against it's own 35/2... that thing could use better build, and USM. that's all I ask from it, and maintaining it's price point.



Doubtful it will maintain its price point if they add USM and better build. Has Canon EVER done that??

And the appeal of crop lenses are that there are MANY more crop users than FF and crop users absolutely need fast primes so they can have DOF control. You can do razor thin DOF on a FF with an F2.8-4 zoom lens, but you need f1.4-2 to replicate it on a crop camera.

Also, have you seen the size and price difference between the 35L and the Sig 30 1.4? There's your advantage.

[hk300]

Doubtful it will maintain its price point if they add USM and better build. Has Canon EVER done that??

And the appeal of crop lenses are that there are MANY more crop users than FF and crop users absolutely need fast primes so they can have DOF control. You can do razor thin DOF on a FF with an F2.8-4 zoom lens, but you need f1.4-2 to replicate it on a crop camera.

Also, have you seen the size and price difference between the 35L and the Sig 30 1.4? There's your advantage.

+1
fully agree

[Stealthy Ninja]

Doubtful it will maintain its price point if they add USM and better build. Has Canon EVER done that??

And the appeal of crop lenses are that there are MANY more crop users than FF and crop users absolutely need fast primes so they can have DOF control. You can do razor thin DOF on a FF with an F2.8-4 zoom lens, but you need f1.4-2 to replicate it on a crop camera.

Also, have you seen the size and price difference between the 35L and the Sig 30 1.4? There's your advantage.

What about the price difference between the 35L and the 28 1.8 or 35 f/2 they're not EF-S/DC (crop only) lenses. Or the price difference between the 50L and the 50 1.8. And the 50 1.8 isn't a EF-S lens (or even the 50 1.4). You're giving a false dilemma (classic logical fallacy) :p

Appealing to the popular ("there are MANY more crop users than FF") is a logical fallacy too. :p

Your point about DOF is valid enough, but still isn't a good justification for EF-S lenses IMHO. When (as I illustrated above) there are EF lenses that are cheap (much cheaper than Ls) that can be sold and used by both crop and FF users.

The only good explanation I've seen is that you can make them cheaper and therefore get more profits. BUT IMHO Canon is cutting revenue by excluding the FF market, so maybe is isn't worth it... that's up to Canon's accountants I suppose.

:D

A good argument could be that FF cameras show lens faults more and therefore making it an EF-S lens covers the IQ problems. :lol: I can imagine the Canon testing lab now......

Canon Tech 1: Aw dude, the edges suck on this lens, the centre is OK, but the EDGES! Man. :(

Canon Tech 2: Mmm, and look at that focus, it's slightly off, dang shallow DOF... :mad:

Canon Tech 1: Well... we could... make it an EF-S lens...

Both: Muuuuuuuuu ha ha ha ha ha :twisted:

[Stealthy Ninja]

Another point to support my rumour.

I went shopping today for a lens (didn't buy anything, but it got me a little information).

I was trying lenses and asked the dude in the shop if they had any 28 1.8s in the store.

He said that this lens hasn't had any stock for a very long time. He strongly suspected they were going to release another lens.

I think when/if the 60D is released, this may be an accompanying lens.

Prediction from me, August or September announcement, in stores before December (probably November).

[tkbslc]

Another point to support my rumour.

I went shopping today for a lens (didn't buy anything, but it got me a little information).

I was trying lenses and asked the dude in the shop if they had any 28 1.8s in the store.

He said that this lens hasn't had any stock for a very long time. He strongly suspected they were going to release another lens.

I think when/if the 60D is released, this may be an accompanying lens.

Prediction from me, August or September announcement, in stores before December (probably November).


I started thinking this about 6 months ago when 35mm f2's went AWOL. So I don't know if it is a good indicator or not. Lots of lenses are in short supply. I do hope you are right, although I also fear the new fancy schmancy lens will either be a 30mm nifty fifty clone (with horrid build), or else even more money than the 28mm 1.8.

[Stealthy Ninja]

I started thinking this about 6 months ago when 35mm f2's went AWOL. So I don't know if it is a good indicator or not. Lots of lenses are in short supply. I do hope you are right, although I also fear the new fancy schmancy lens will either be a 30mm nifty fifty clone (with horrid build), or else even more money than the 28mm 1.8.

replace the 28 with a 35 1.8 "gold ring" would be nice. Then they'd have 20mm, 35mm, 50mm, 85mm, 100mm "gold ring primes"

BTW this happens to be my 6000th post.

[tkbslc]

replace the 28 with a 35 1.8 "gold ring" would be nice. Then they'd have 20mm, 35mm, 50mm, 85mm, 100mm "gold ring primes"

BTW this happens to be my 6000th post.

But the 28mm is already nicely built with ring USM. I'd rather see a better 50mm 1.4 (and 1.8) first. I also think a lower priced 22 or 24mm f2 would be handy to replicate a fast 35mm for us 1.6x shooters. I just think there are plenty of other lenses to fix besides the 28mm 1.8 which is not a bad lens at all other than the price (Should be ~$300 IMO).

[Stealthy Ninja]

But the 28mm is already nicely built with ring USM. I'd rather see a better 50mm 1.4 (and 1.8) first. I also think a lower priced 22 or 24mm f2 would be handy to replicate a fast 35mm for us 1.6x shooters. I just think there are plenty of other lenses to fix besides the 28mm 1.8 which is not a bad lens at all other than the price (Should be ~$300 IMO).

True. I would probably buy the 28 1.8 if I could find it.

I agree they should really make a 50mm 1.4 II with proper ring USM and better bokeh (to match the Sigma 1.4). I'd consider buying that lens.

Bokeh and being a bit soft is why I sold my 50 1.4. I don't plan on getting the 50L, so I think I'll skip the 50mm for now.

I am thinking to get a 35 or 24 though. I can skip the 85 I think, but I'll probably grab a 135L one day.

It's fun to dream. :lol:

[borism]

A nice 30mm f1.8 would be a great addition to canon
Yesterday I was reading magazines and came across a review about traveling light etc..
The nikon 30mm sells very well and is becoming the "normal" fast lens for travel and many applications plus it cost around 220$ (Against 400$ of the 28mm f1.8 or 35mm f2 canon offerings)
Although is only EFS (DX?) I would be very happy to buy one.
Now it should have USM
I hope your rumor is right

[foxesamu]

A nice 30mm f1.8 would be a great addition to canon
Yesterday I was reading magazines and came across a review about traveling light etc..
The nikon 30mm sells very well and is becoming the "normal" fast lens for travel and many applications plus it cost around 220$ (Against 400$ of the 28mm f1.8 or 35mm f2 canon offerings)
Although is only EFS (DX?) I would be very happy to buy one.
Now it should have USM
I hope your rumor is right
And the thing is, with care, the 35/1.8 DX is quite usable on full frame bodies. If you don't mind just a little vignetting, you can use it from f/1.8-2.8 as long as you're not focusing very far away. Someone on a forum even used it on his D700 for the majority of a wedding and loved it. On top of that it's among Nikon's sharpest lenses wide open.

I think a Canon 30 or 35 EF-S prime would sell just as well as the Nikkor.

[Tom W]

A nice 30mm f1.8 would be a great addition to canon
Yesterday I was reading magazines and came across a review about traveling light etc..
The nikon 30mm sells very well and is becoming the "normal" fast lens for travel and many applications plus it cost around 220$ (Against 400$ of the 28mm f1.8 or 35mm f2 canon offerings)
Although is only EFS (DX?) I would be very happy to buy one.
Now it should have USM
I hope your rumor is right

I didn't realize that Canon's 35 f/2 was as expensive as it is - it seems to sit around $300, but the last time I looked at it, it was closer to $225 or so (that was a few years ago, though). That's a shame - it makes a decent "normal" lens for the APS-C format.

My thoughts on this are that Canon won't make an EF-S 30 mm prime. I had heard a rumor a year or so ago that they were planning on upgrading the 20/2.8 and 28/1.8 lenses (both are of the same family). They've certainly improved their ultrawide technology lately (the 24 TSE, 17 TSE, and 14/2.8 are all proving to be excellent) so some of that might hopefully spill over into their mid-priced USM lenses.

[Jim G]

If they released a couple of nice primes - 35mm f/1.8 or even a new 35mm f/2 and a rehashed 20mm f/2.8 or f/2... I'd be all over those. I adore my primes but can't justify dropping any more money into Ls at this stage but I could easily justify those assuming they're not horribly priced.

[cfibanez]

From Canon Rumors: EF 35 f/1.4L Discontinued? (http://www.canonrumors.com/2009/07/ef-35-f1-4l-discontinued/)

[Stealthy Ninja]

Saw that rumour. The 35L will probably be replaced soonish. I'm thinking they'll replace the "gold ring" too. ;)

[dle42]

Saw that rumour. The 35L will probably be replaced soonish. I'm thinking they'll replace the "gold ring" too. ;)

I'd love it if they make a "gold ring" 35, too. I tried a friend's D40 and 35 f/1.8 DX at a convention once; it was very pleasant to use.

[Nervous]

Any news about update for 35/2?

[Nervous]

So, still nothing? I really don't want to buy current 35/2 and 35L. And Sigma's 30/1.4. But I need prime with this fr.

[Stealthy Ninja]

Well, I managed to get a 28 1.8 the other day, so perhaps it's just that this lens is a bit of a hard one to get (took me months to see one).

[Nervous]

Unfortunately, 28/1.8 is also far from being perfect.... And also pretty old.

[skywalkerbeth]

Why would you want a 35 1.8 when the 35 1.4 L is magnificent?

[Nervous]

Price of it is also "magnificient" :-D

[skywalkerbeth]

Price of it is also "magnificient" :-D

good point! my 35 1.4L was spendy spendy. But sooooo wonderful.

[Stealthy Ninja]

Why would you want a 35 1.8 when the 35 1.4 L is magnificent?

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That said, I'm already thinking of replacing my 28 1.8 for a 35L one day (maybe in a year or two). I have a LOT of other lenses to get first though. ;)