Red-Ringed Tupperware Party with (ineffective) Tin Foil Hats

[Permagrin]

Nope...same old editing software I have always used....

It's very cool...

[Woolburr]

I've heard tell that Photoshop has some of these features....but since I don't use it much...I can't verify that. I started using Paint Shop Pro way back in the funny days...have stuck with it for the most part. It is so much faster and easier than Photoshop for basic editing, cropping and resizing...that I just automatically turn it on.

[Permagrin]

I've heard tell that Photoshop has some of these features....but since I don't use it much...I can't verify that. I started using Paint Shop Pro way back in the funny days...have stuck with it for the most part. It is so much faster and easier than Photoshop for basic editing, cropping and resizing...that I just automatically turn it on.

Never used it. I don't do much "effect wise" with my photos...I edit them, but not spectacularly. I might have to try sometime though...maybe with real fireworks :)

[Lightstream]

mmm, PSP is old school and one of my favorite editors :)

I didn't like the directions the new ones were going in though, so I switched to PS Elements.

[Woolburr]

Corel buying PSP from Jasc was not a good thing in my book....I will not be getting any additional versions of PSP....

[Permagrin]

mmm, PSP is old school and one of my favorite editors :)

I didn't like the directions the new ones were going in though, so I switched to PS Elements.

Hullo LS.
It's pretty quiet around here.

Most of my editing software is mac related (though PE4 works for both). But I'm beginning to see that photoshop isn't the "only" way (apparently that's another myth propogated by whomever..."pro's only use photoshop").

[Permagrin]

Corel buying PSP from Jasc was not a good thing in my book....I will not be getting any additional versions of PSP....

I didn't know Corel bought it but I doubt I'll "upgrade" ever either. I almost solely use Aperture (apparently that also has a love/hate following) anyway.

[Woolburr]

Like most myths....it doesn't hold water. The majority of editing is done with Photoshop....but it certainly isn't the only game in town.

[Permagrin]

Where's Wu, Claire, Sari and Liza (I just realized this is a very out of balanced thread...too cool :lol: )? I've had company for 2 days and only been able to click on for my 5 min. fixes....now that I'm alone, it's like tumbleweeds around here...

[Lightstream]

Corel buying PSP from Jasc was not a good thing in my book....I will not be getting any additional versions of PSP....

Ah yes, that was the big main reason. On top of that, Corel was so anal they refused to allow web sales with digital downloads (you don't even have to DELIVER the damned thing) to international users. Oh great.. you have a willing buyer who's told he can't buy because he's overseas.

Hullo LS.
It's pretty quiet around here.

Most of my editing software is mac related (though PE4 works for both). But I'm beginning to see that photoshop isn't the "only" way (apparently that's another myth propogated by whomever..."pro's only use photoshop").

It is quiet. I visited a tourist trap today, it was hopeless. And horribly touristy. I hate that. Great Ocean Road was awesome because it is basically what nature gives you, as is, apart from some boardwalks and roads into the area.

Knowing Photoshop is useful if you are going to work for an employer whose workflow is based around PS, however it is assuredly NOT the only image editor available. Besides, how many of us are going to make this our day job?

RAW vs JPEG is another favorite argument.

I would say that in the end, savvy professionals (speaking from day job, different technology but same 'solutions' mentality applies) use whatever it takes to get the job done, and whatever is the most appropriate technology.

I am framing A4 prints as surprise Christmas gifts for some good folks. I picked three of my top favorite images. Two were shot RAW, one was shot JPEG. ALL look bloody awesome.. you can't actually tell when it's dumped onto print. I wouldn't give them away lightly unless I thought them worthy of being hung on a wall somewhere too.

[Woolburr]

I didn't know Corel bought it but I doubt I'll "upgrade" ever either. I almost solely use Aperture (apparently that also has a love/hate following) anyway.

I have PSP versions 3-10....My favorite is 9...the last version Jasc made. As soon as Corel got a hand on it...they started making not so good changes to some of the core operations.

I also have PS CS2 and PSE 4 and 5, Microsoft Digital Image Pro 9 and 10.

[Woolburr]

Sari went home for a couple of days....staying with a friend...so no internet. Said she would be back on Monday. Claire is probably sleeping....or waiting for a train...

[Lightstream]

No worries..I have decided to take it easy over the weekend as well :)

[Permagrin]

It is quiet. I visited a tourist trap today, it was hopeless. And horribly touristy. I hate that. Great Ocean Road was awesome because it is basically what nature gives you, as is, apart from some boardwalks and roads into the area.

Knowing Photoshop is useful if you are going to work for an employer whose workflow is based around PS, however it is assuredly NOT the only image editor available. Besides, how many of us are going to make this our day job?

RAW vs JPEG is another favorite argument.

I would say that in the end, savvy professionals (speaking from day job, different technology but same 'solutions' mentality applies) use whatever it takes to get the job done, and whatever is the most appropriate technology.

I am framing A4 prints as surprise Christmas gifts for some good folks. I picked three of my top favorite images. Two were shot RAW, one was shot JPEG. ALL look bloody awesome.. you can't actually tell when it's dumped onto print. I wouldn't give them away lightly unless I thought them worthy of being hung on a wall somewhere too.

I've seen lots of footage of The Great Ocean Road...it is lovely!

Do you want to post your shots that you're giving so we can see them? I'm sure they're great (because the photographer is usually his own worst critic)!

I have PSP versions 3-10....My favorite is 9...the last version Jasc made. As soon as Corel got a hand on it...they started making not so good changes to some of the core operations.

I also have PS CS2 and PSE 4 and 5, Microsoft Digital Image Pro 9 and 10.

WOW. I have several different editing programs (we have a windows computer too) but find I only use the previously mentioned two. On windows we purchased a couple of different ones, hated them and used the free Picasa for emergency edits while on vacation.

[Woolburr]

No worries..I have decided to take it easy over the weekend as well :)

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....does this mean you didn't follow thru on your mission for today?

[Permagrin]

Sari went home for a couple of days....staying with a friend...so no internet. Said she would be back on Monday. Claire is probably sleeping....or waiting for a train...

Poor Claire...she'll be forever linked with sleeping on a train. When she's a big time editor, we can say "we knew her when".

Is Wu feeling better?

[Woolburr]

I think Wu was probably in the snoozing mode too...but she did mention that she had some stuff she had to write for work. Liza probably got whisked off on another one of those mystery dates!

[Lightstream]

I've seen lots of footage of The Great Ocean Road...it is lovely!

Do you want to post your shots that you're giving so we can see them? I'm sure they're great (because the photographer is usually his own worst critic)!


OK, will do....

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....does this mean you didn't follow thru on your mission for today?

No.. woke up this morning and decided not to bother. Decided I was overreacting and reading too much into it. However, this exercise has been useful.. I will remember the words for the next time...

[Permagrin]

I think Wu was probably in the snoozing mode too...but she did mention that she had some stuff she had to write for work. Liza probably got whisked off on another one of those mystery dates!

Wow Wool, you're like the Hedda Hopper of this thread! Now I'll know who to ask when I'm not sure what I'm doing....

This thread has become the stuff of legends...the bricks, the curly toed shoes...we have to rank Liza's mystery dates in there too...I come here to just live vicariously! :lol: :lol: :lol: (but at least it keeps me out of real trouble)

[Woolburr]

I am a little surprised by the movie thread....no fans of missing fish or donkey lovin' ogres.

[Permagrin]

I am a little surprised by the movie thread....no fans of missing fish or donkey lovin' ogres.

...okay, I get the second one...but since the first one isn't Jaws...(oh wait, unless you are talking about Nemo...). I am surprised because when I scanned it, I didn't see any LOTR. I figured given the average age group around here, that'd be big.

I never thought Princess Bride (which btw, if you haven't seen it, is an absolutely hilarious movie) would be so popular...a definite sleeper hit.

[Woolburr]

No.. woke up this morning and decided not to bother. Decided I was overreacting and reading too much into it. However, this exercise has been useful.. I will remember the words for the next time...

Well....that is kind of a shame...I still am a firm believer that if you don't ask...you will never know...and the worst that can happen is she says no..or that is in a relationship already...she might just be the one!

[Woolburr]

Nemo and Shrek...

[Permagrin]

While I'm not a fan of tv, I love movies. As long as I don't have to go to the theatre to watch them. I just can't stand it when the person behind me is saying (often at the top of their voices as if their companion and the rest of *Nebraska must be hearing impared) "oh just wait until..." or "did you hear that"....or whatever, did I mention "at the top of their voice"...while the person next to me is answering their cell phone or pager or whatever...and the children in front of me are standing on the seats, blocking views or some renegade teenagers are seeing who can be the most disruptive before the attendants will be forced to evict them.....

(obviously I have strong views about watching movies in the privacy of my own home) :lol:

*I live in Oregon but I know the vocalist is geared at least that far...

[Lightstream]

PG:

http://pix.lightrefineries.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1670&g2_serialNumber=2

http://pix.lightrefineries.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1664&g2_serialNumber=2

http://pix.lightrefineries.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1667&g2_serialNumber=2

The text is a little different, I was trying out different labelling and seeing how it works. Think I will standardize on #2 and #3 in future.

The loss of contrast is because the frames are glass and they are not antiglare/antireflective multicoated. This is what CHEAP filters will do to your lens..I am a filter guy, but I use the premium multicoated stuff and suffer no loss of IQ. (24-105 and 17-40 need filters for full environmental seals anyway, as per Canon's instructions).

[Permagrin]

Very very nice LS. All three of those are memorable shots of yours. My favorite lettering is in the 3rd one. I'm sure whoever recieves them will like them very much! I know I would. Anyway, I think it's a thoughful (and very cool) gift.
(As of yet, I've not had the courage to print up/gift my photos....maybe someday I'll feel as confident but for now, no.)

[Woolburr]

I prefer to watch movies at home too...I have a decent home theater set-up....if I need to pause the movie I can...and there are no annoying things happening when I watch them from here.

[Woolburr]

Your pics look like they came out very well Yoda...thumbs up dood!

[Lightstream]

Very very nice LS. All three of those are memorable shots of yours. My favorite lettering is in the 3rd one. I'm sure whoever recieves them will like them very much! I know I would. Anyway, I think it's a thoughful (and very cool) gift.
(As of yet, I've not had the courage to print up/gift my photos....maybe someday I'll feel as confident but for now, no.)

Thanks :)

I like #3 too.. may go with that moving forward.

Your photos are great.. I am really sure some of them would look stunning in print. The key thing is to use premium Canon paper and real Canon ink on their inkjets. Anything else is a compromise, and it WILL look wierd. I can even tell the diff between Canon's not-so-good paper and their top of the line. I use the cheap stuff for proofing or 4x6"s, and the color rendition *IS* different (even though the inkjet is the same). Use Photo Paper Pro. When Canon's own lab does it (on inkjet - i9950 A3), that's the good stuff they use. Get us to C&C first. Those winter photos I PM'ed you about - I think those would look magnificent in 8x12".

Use something good like the IP6600D 6-ink printer. There are some who bitch and whine that it is cheaper if you go to a shop.. sorry, I like full control over my output. If it's gonna be botched up *I* want to be the one who screws it up.

(US users: A4 paper size is close to 8x12").

Canon's Chromalife100 papers and inks are supposed to last (in accelerated aging tests) for at least 30 years without degradation when framed behind plain glass like this. Well.. if I swing by in 30 years time and the pix are still there we will know.

If not - that's the magic of digital - I'll grab whatever's good at the time and re-print 'em ;)

Your pics look like they came out very well Yoda...thumbs up dood!

Thanks!! :)

[Permagrin]

They are really tastefully mounted. I like that. I don't know how you manage it on a home printer though. Do you print the photo up separate from the page with the printing? I do have a pretty good canon printer. But it only prints up to 11x16 I think.

[Lightstream]

They are really tastefully mounted. I like that. I don't know how you manage it on a home printer though. Do you print the photo up separate from the page with the printing? I do have a pretty good canon printer. But it only prints up to 11x16 I think.

Ah...here's where the digital trickery comes in. Normally, you'd get a mat, and then mount the photo, and so on.. if you look very very close you will notice the 'zeroing' on one of the pictures is not 100% there, but close enough.

I start with PS Elements, create a new image, set paper size and set DPI to 300 (or more, if you can spare). I then position the lettering and my tag, and instead of the photo I draw a black rectangle and print this out in lowest quality on plain white paper. This is my calibration target.

Then I sandwich the target in between the glass and the cardboard backing of the frame, put it all back together and see whether it's aligned. If not, I make slight changes and do it till I get the results I want.

Then, I paste the photo over the rectangle, align it, size it, etc. then delete the layer with the rectangle. Final check - then load the premium paper and fire. All of it is printed in one single A4 page including the whitespace.

[Permagrin]

Ah...here's where the digital trickery comes in. Normally, you'd get a mat, and then mount the photo, and so on.. if you look very very close you will notice the 'zeroing' on one of the pictures is not 100% there, but close enough.

I start with PS Elements, create a new image, set paper size and set DPI to 300 (or more, if you can spare). I then position the lettering and my tag, and instead of the photo I draw a black rectangle and print this out in lowest quality on plain white paper. This is my calibration target.

Then I sandwich the target in between the glass and the cardboard backing of the frame, put it all back together and see whether it's aligned. If not, I make slight changes and do it till I get the results I want.

Then, I paste the photo over the rectangle, align it, size it, etc. then delete the layer with the rectangle. Final check - then load the premium paper and fire. All of it is printed in one single A4 page including the whitespace.

Smart!
(I just looked and the largest mine will do is 8.5 x 11). I suppose I should know this but what is A4?

[Lightstream]

Smart!
(I just looked and the largest mine will do is 8.5 x 11). I suppose I should know this but what is A4?

Internationally used paper size. A1, A2, A3, A4. Functionally equivalent to letter paper. Our printers are designed for A4, yours for letter. Where I mention A4, you substitute your letter paper size.

The trick is to get a letter-paper-sized frame (I got A4). I am quite sure if you scout around various places you'll find them. I got mine at an art supply shop, and you know, I really never thought of myself as the artistic type.. there I am standing amongst all the paints, brushes, and arty type supplies - never thought I'd see the day.. :D but then again.. this is a form of graphic art.. although my paints come in nice sealed little plastic containers with Canon markings..

Zeroing the printer is a trick I learned from work so many years ago...

I just checked up on your MP950 (in your gearlist). That is quite a formidable printer using the same ink cartridge system as mine.. you should be able to get exactly these results.

http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelTechSpecsAct&fcategoryid=116&modelid=12077

Only diff is that you have one PGI-5BK high-cap black cartridge, which I don't have. I don't think it's used for photo printing, more for the black and white everyday stuff.

Get some Canon Photo Paper Pro. When you print, your printer should allow you to select the media type, set Photo Paper Pro. This is IMPORTANT, as the printer uses different profiles depending on media. I can't tell you exactly where it is on a Mac since I am a Windows/UNIX user (and we hardly EVER print from UNIX anyway)

PS: the tag is done using a Wacom Graphire4 digitizer tablet (comes with PSE3.0 for Windows) and it is my own handwriting. The first photo has a hand-signed tag because I made the mistake of printing out the photo without the tag and didn't want to destroy a perfectly useable photo. I have one small minor reservation about signing directly on the thing with a pen because I don't know how the chemistry of the ink in the pen will react with the paper over many years, however, this is just one small corner so it should be OK.

[theflyingkiwi]

A4 is close to letter but slightly larger.

LS they are nice photos. I didn't know you were an Australian :) not that I am going to hold that against ya :)

[Woolburr]

I print 4x6 at home...anything else goes to the lab...I've never had a problem with them not printing my stuff exactly as I gave it to them. I then do my own framing and matting. I have a Logan mat cutting system. The framing part is pretty straight forward. You can do standard size frames or custom sizes if the print needs some form of unusual matting.

[Lightstream]

A4 is close to letter but slightly larger.

LS they are nice photos. I didn't know you were an Australian :) not that I am going to hold that against ya :)

Thanks :) :)

Hahhaa.. actually to be honest I am not a true blue Aussie. Not saying that in response to your comment but I am only going to be here for a while (maybe another year or so till work takes me home), so I took the opportunity to take pics. It has lots of nice scenery...



PG: The other thing is.. I never believed inkjets could render this kind of quality. Ever. I have worked with them since as early as 1994, when the damned things cost a fortune, were slow as crap, and output was horrible. I remember an early experience printing a full page A4 color image.. it took all of 45 minutes. No kidding. We wouldn't even sit there, we'd fire, look at the clock, and forget it for the better part of an hour. And of course on plain paper, the results were even worse. Just absolutely terrible.

Inkjets were also extremely prone to 'bleeding' where text characters take on fuzzy edges after a few prints as the heads wear down. It usually happened very, very fast. I switched to laser printers around '97 for my own work.. it was heaven. For black and white business printing there is absolutely NOTHING like a laser, and I owned 3 since that time.

However, Canon was offering gear owners (as a fringe benefit probably) the use of their lab with shockingly cheap 16x20" (approximately A3) inkjet prints. Think.. $4 a print. OK.. at that price NOTHING in town comes close. The local lab wants FIFTY BUCKS for that size. What do I have to lose?

So I wander on down to the lab with 350D in hand, they take my card, and we sit down next to an i9950 inkjet. Hahahaha... inkjet.

After the print comes out of the inkjet I have no more comment.. I have shut up since then.. ;)

I did observe what they used and all they did.. it was really quite simple. I am impressed. The only disadvantage compared to silver halide prints is that these are NOT waterproof, but put it this way: weather sealing is needed on gear when out acquiring the pics, not in the frame when they are being hung indoors ;)

[Woolburr]

3am...must be time for a snooze or two. Catch you later!

[Lightstream]

night wool!

[Maureen Souza]

Wow, you guys are still going strong here!!! I have spent the last two days and all of my Christmas spirit decorating the tree and house. I have decided to throw most of my decorations out when the holiday is over....too much stuff and not enough spirit!

On the up side, my son got a great job last Tuesday and finished his college degree Wednesday!! Yay! I am soo relieved.
Well, I am exhausted and off to bed! Happy Chatting, everyone!

[Lightstream]

night mo!

[liza]

Where's Wu, Claire, Sari and Liza (I just realized this is a very out of balanced thread...too cool :lol: )? I've had company for 2 days and only been able to click on for my 5 min. fixes....now that I'm alone, it's like tumbleweeds around here...

I'm back for a few minutes. Had to get my 5 minute fix, too. :)


I think Wu was probably in the snoozing mode too...but she did mention that she had some stuff she had to write for work. Liza probably got whisked off on another one of those mystery dates!

No such luck this weekend, although next weekend looks promising. I chatted with a nice fellow this evening for several hours, though. Next weekend I'm going to a ball game with a local fellow. Best kind of date, IMO. :)


Wow Wool, you're like the Hedda Hopper of this thread! Now I'll know who to ask when I'm not sure what I'm doing....

This thread has become the stuff of legends...the bricks, the curly toed shoes...we have to rank Liza's mystery dates in there too...I come here to just live vicariously! :lol: :lol: :lol: (but at least it keeps me out of real trouble)

It is a legendary thread, isn't it? We must promise not to let anyone or anything undermine it. ;)

I print 4x6 at home...anything else goes to the lab...I've never had a problem with them not printing my stuff exactly as I gave it to them. I then do my own framing and matting. I have a Logan mat cutting system. The framing part is pretty straight forward. You can do standard size frames or custom sizes if the print needs some form of unusual matting.

All my stuff goes to the lab. I don't even print out 4x6's. The only thing I print now are proof sheets for my portrait customers. I bought some inexpensive Ilford paper from Sam's club and use that to print proofs. They look good, so I get a lot of sales that way.

[wu_wei0]

me three, but it looks like the world is sleeping. may just have to do that again myself.
Did you have a good evening, Liza? I was still unproductive today.

[Lightstream]

Night shift crew still on duty. :D

Liza: for high volume commercial printing, it is more cost effective.. I'm sure you have a good working relationship with them too. We hobbyists meddle with our inkjets ;)

Wu: Unproductive as heck day for me too... :confused:

[liza]

me three, but it looks like the world is sleeping. may just have to do that again myself.
Did you have a good evening, Liza? I was still unproductive today.

I didn't do anything productive at all. Didn't even get up until noon. I think I get depressed when my children are gone. At least I had several nice conversations online.

Liza: for high volume commercial printing, it is more cost effective.. I'm sure you have a good working relationship with them too. We hobbyists meddle with our inkjets ;)



Mpix/Millers is a good company to use. I've been very, very pleased with the quality of the prints. And the customer service is out of this world!

[liza]

Jeez Louise! Do they let all the freaks out at 3am on My Space? I've just had two weirdos contact me via PM "lookin' for luv." Yuk!!!

[Lightstream]

That's the downside I guess :confused:

They are probably the ones with nothing better to do at night...

[liza]

They must have just gotten home from the bars. When I have nothing better to do, I log on to POTN. :)

[liza]

Wow! It's 4 am. I'd better get a few hours sleep. I've been napping on and off all day. It's cold and dark outside, so I think that impacts my already flagging motivation.

[Lightstream]

Sleep is good :D

And good thing the freaks don't come to POTN....well...not all of them I guess.. :mrgreen:

[Claire]

Poor Claire...she'll be forever linked with sleeping on a train. When she's a big time editor, we can say "we knew her when".


Hehe Yes, when I start my own magazine & act as editor, writer & occasional photographer you can all give interviews & reveal all my embarassing online confessions. :D

I'm awake now & debating if I should go in to Gothenburg & shoot in the amusement park or stay home & edit photos. :confused: The park has it's annual Xmas theme & market tho....

[Lightstream]

Hehe Yes, when I start my own magazine & act as editor, writer & occasional photographer you can all give interviews & reveal all my embarassing online confessions. :D

I'm awake now & debating if I should go in to Gothenburg & shoot in the amusement park or stay home & edit photos. :confused: The park has it's annual Xmas theme & market tho....

Go and shoot.. I find even a bad shoot (provided you are not under work pressure!) will calm the nerves because you still get to travel, walk around and think of something else. Photography is still my drug of choice, anyway.

I had a very so-so shoot.. nothing very interesting (trying to save one keeper in PS.. sounds like trying to save a patient really), but it was still good to get out there and de-stress.

[Lightstream]

Silvan Reservoir as seen from Mt Dandenong:

http://pix.lightrefineries.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1673&g2_serialNumber=2

This is what you get trying to shoot through 5km of atmospheric air that is not all that clear. However it was a nice scene there in person. 220mm (full frame) using 100-400.

BTW Claire, if you're interested in knowing, Mount Dandenong is a pretty hardcore tourist trap in Melbourne, Australia... at least that is the impression I got driving through it. All sorts of shops catering to the tourists and the high (or low) point of my day was paying $4 to check out an attraction called "Sky high at Mt Dandenong" which was hopeless. Basically, they've converted a high point on the mountain into an observation deck but really more for a bistro/restaurant/garden/maze or something like that. The attraction is that you can see all of Melbourne. To a photog it is useless. You can see the city buildings around 34km away, but there really isn't much worth photographing because everything is so tiny and not very recognizable. The city is shrouded in pollution as always. Bring binocs on this one.

[Claire]

LS,
Well, seems I'm getting dragged to a restaurant for Christmas smorgasbord with my parents & an American girl who's here in some exchange program for PhD's.

It'd be kinda cool to take some shots of the food, but as it's a fairly posh restaurant I doubt it'd go down well.

[Lightstream]

Yeah I think it may be best to put the camera away. No point getting wierd looks.

[Permagrin]

Morning all.
4:40 a.m. here and I woke with a stuffy head, coughing, so I can't rest (don't have nyquil apparently). Nice way to wake up eh?

Wow, you guys are still going strong here!!! I have spent the last two days and all of my Christmas spirit decorating the tree and house. I have decided to throw most of my decorations out when the holiday is over....too much stuff and not enough spirit!

On the up side, my son got a great job last Tuesday and finished his college degree Wednesday!! Yay! I am soo relieved.
Well, I am exhausted and off to bed! Happy Chatting, everyone!

Hey Maureen...congrats to your son. (and I love your new Christmas avatar!)

It is a legendary thread, isn't it? We must promise not to let anyone or anything undermine it. ;)

All my stuff goes to the lab. I don't even print out 4x6's. The only thing I print now are proof sheets for my portrait customers. I bought some inexpensive Ilford paper from Sam's club and use that to print proofs. They look good, so I get a lot of sales that way.

I agree...no undermining....(or overmining...or even sideways, if one is a wonkavator...)

Sleep is good :D

And good thing the freaks don't come to POTN....well...not all of them I guess.. :mrgreen:

I'm not even going to touch this one....

Hehe Yes, when I start my own magazine & act as editor, writer & occasional photographer you can all give interviews & reveal all my embarassing online confessions. :D

I'm awake now & debating if I should go in to Gothenburg & shoot in the amusement park or stay home & edit photos. :confused: The park has it's annual Xmas theme & market tho....

Ooooh, fun. I've never done a "tell all" interview Claire...:lol: :lol:

Post some pic's when you get back!

Silvan Reservoir as seen from Mt Dandenong


Wow, look how low the water is!

[wu_wei0]

good almost morning from the other side, Permie!

[Lightstream]

Morning all.
4:40 a.m. here and I woke with a stuffy head, coughing, so I can't rest (don't have nyquil apparently). Nice way to wake up eh?

Wow, look how low the water is!

Morning.....you are VERY early this morning, I suspected way too early and I was right. You have scotch, go back to sleep. Nyquil contains alcohol, right? Same difference in that case.

Hmm.. didn't notice the water was low until you pointed it out. Looked sorta-OK to me, but it's true Melbourne has been experiencing unusually low rainfall for a while.. they are gonna be in deep trouble unless they Do Something(tm) about it. There are things that can be done. It just needs doing.

I like the unusual texture on the surface of the water...

[Permagrin]

good almost morning from the other side, Permie!

You're up early Wu...especially on a Sunday!

Morning.....you are VERY early this morning, I suspected way too early and I was right. You have scotch, go back to sleep. Nyquil contains alcohol, right? Same difference in that case.

Hmm.. didn't notice the water was low until you pointed it out. Looked sorta-OK to me, but it's true Melbourne has been experiencing unusually low rainfall for a while.. they are gonna be in deep trouble unless they Do Something(tm) about it. There are things that can be done. It just needs doing.

I like the unusual texture on the surface of the water...

I WISH! But I can't...coffee is in the making. My family is still here so if I go back to sleep now, I won't be awake when they leave.

I've read some of the "solutions" that AU is trying to attempt for the lack of rain. Some of them really turn my stomach!

The water is pretty! The whole scene is, but I see what you mean about the haze!

[wu_wei0]

up and down all night most nights. weekdays I am out of the house and at the office for at least an hour by now

[Lightstream]

You're up early Wu...especially on a Sunday!



I WISH! But I can't...coffee is in the making. My family is still here so if I go back to sleep now, I won't be awake when they leave.

I've read some of the "solutions" that AU is trying to attempt for the lack of rain. Some of them really turn my stomach!

The water is pretty! The whole scene is, but I see what you mean about the haze!

Recycled water is honestly not as bad as it seems provided the filtration works. Actually, reverse-osmosis systems are so efficient they actually strip out even the natural minerals in the water, not to mention the bacteria! What you get is essentially as pure as distilled water. Certain industries (semiconductor, for example) even prefer recycled as it means less purification work to achieve the ultrapure water they need for their processes.

Besides, ALL water's been recycled a million times anyway.. it's not 'new' by any stretch of the imagination :p

Thanks for the kind words on the photo. Think that's the only one I got today.

[Permagrin]

up and down all night most nights. weekdays I am out of the house and at the office for at least an hour by now

That's why I was thinking you'd be sleeping in :)
How's the aches and pains from the fall?
And were you hit by that horrible storm? (I've just been reading about the worst of it...)

Recycled water is honestly not as bad as it seems provided the filtration works. Actually, reverse-osmosis systems are so efficient they actually strip out even the natural minerals in the water, not to mention the bacteria! What you get is essentially as pure as distilled water. Certain industries (semiconductor, for example) even prefer recycled as it means less purification work to achieve the ultrapure water they need for their processes.

Besides, ALL water's been recycled a million times anyway.. it's not 'new' by any stretch of the imagination :p

Thanks for the kind words on the photo. Think that's the only one I got today.

Perhaps it's just hard for people to get used to the idea of the recycled water. I know I'd have a really hard time adjusting....even if I read everything there was to read about it...just the stigma I suppose.

And you're welcome. Sometimes it's a slow day for photo critiques. I rarely post them, except occasionally on here if I want an opinion.

[Lightstream]

Perhaps it's just hard for people to get used to the idea of the recycled water. I know I'd have a really hard time adjusting....even if I read everything there was to read about it...just the stigma I suppose.

And you're welcome. Sometimes it's a slow day for photo critiques. I rarely post them, except occasionally on here if I want an opinion.


Yeah, the water thing is largely psychological. Would you feel better, say, if they piped the 100% treated-and-tested-for-purity water back into reservoirs to mix with normal water so it is treated twice? (even though it actually does not need to be.. the discharge is already cleaner than the stuff coming out from treatment!)

Thanks for the photo critique. I usually post here since it actually gets more attention. Most days my stuff in the appropriate sections seems to go unnoticed. I'm not just here for the positive stuff as well, I want to hear the possible improvements or be asked for a reason "why did you do it that way" (sometimes it was necessary, other times it could be improved)

[Permagrin]

Okay LS, I didn't want to ask on the other thread...it's bad enough to seem like a total ignoramus in front of ones friends....what do you mean about the optics causing the vignetting?

[Digital_Duck]

Blasphemy!!! :evil: Dave sharpness is the be all and the end all I mean what would a duck be if it weren't sharp???.. A scary thought that's for sure!!.. Do you listen to nothing Petey says...;)

sari
REAL QUESTION: what would a duck be if it weren't sharp??? ....
NARSASISTIC ANSWER: taking pictures like this ... ;)

[Lightstream]

Nice abstract! Like the way the shore grasses blur out.

[Digital_Duck]

Okay LS, I didn't want to ask on the other thread...it's bad enough to seem like a total ignoramus in front of ones friends....what do you mean about the optics causing the vignetting?
this might help ....
http://www.pinnipedia.org/optics/vignetting.html

[Digital_Duck]

Nice abstract! Like the way the shore grasses blur out.
I slipped while shooting ... cheap flat bottom plastic soled shoe's

it's nice to know someone else found an nice element in it as well!

[Lightstream]

Okay LS, I didn't want to ask on the other thread...it's bad enough to seem like a total ignoramus in front of ones friends....what do you mean about the optics causing the vignetting?

PM sent..

I slipped while shooting ... cheap flat bottom plastic soled shoe's

it's nice to know someone else found an nice element in it as well!


Yup, it looks a little bit like watercolors or canvas. Luckily you didn't drop the camera! Looks like a fair bit of water around!

[Permagrin]

this might help ....
http://www.pinnipedia.org/optics/vignetting.html

thanks...I just finished reading it (someone else sent it to me as well). I wondered why I had more trouble with that (24-105) lens though than the 17-40. (while the 17-40 does exhibit it, it doesn't seem to be as bad)

[Permagrin]

oh, thanks for the PM LS...it makes sense...because I rarely use the 17-40 on 17. Often around 22.... would explain the diff. in fall off, then? Or is it only when it's stopped down more?

I love the quality of the shots of the 24-105 but that fall-off makes me nuts and I DON'T know how to fix it in PE4 :confused:

edit: we're probably breaking all the rules of this thread by talking actual photography...

[Lightstream]

oh, thanks for the PM LS...it makes sense...because I rarely use the 17-40 on 17. Often around 22.... would explain the diff. in fall off, then? Or is it only when it's stopped down more?

I love the quality of the shots of the 24-105 but that fall-off makes me nuts and I DON'T know how to fix it in PE4 :confused:

edit: we're probably breaking all the rules of this thread by talking actual photography...


Correct.. zooming in and/or stopping down reduces this issue. Also, depending on the design of the lens, some have less, some have more. The 300/4 ISL impressed me greatly because it had VERY little, even wide open, whereas the 1-4 has more. This is one of the tradeoffs that zoom lenses make.

This is why I generally shoot the 24-105 f/8 at the wide end whenever possible, or get the 17-40 to fill in for it. The 17 has a little bit of vignetting at the wide end, though much less compared to the 24 at 24, because of the less ambitious zoom ratio I think.

BTW - the fix is a simple, $15 one. http://epaperpress.com/ptlens/

Try it, it processes 10 images free of charge before you have to buy it to continue using it. I have used the (previously free :( ) versions, and I was very impressed. However, this is substantially cheaper than PSCS2 or DxO, both of which have correction features built in.

Oh wait, you have a Mac... then I'm not sure if you can use it. (sorry.. it's late at night and the Mac has never been kind to me)

[Permagrin]

Correct.. zooming in and/or stopping down reduces this issue. Also, depending on the design of the lens, some have less, some have more. The 300/4 ISL impressed me greatly because it had VERY little, even wide open, whereas the 1-4 has more. This is one of the tradeoffs that zoom lenses make.

This is why I generally shoot the 24-105 f/8 at the wide end whenever possible, or get the 17-40 to fill in for it. The 17 has a little bit of vignetting at the wide end, though much less compared to the 24 at 24, because of the less ambitious zoom ratio I think.

Thank you for explaining that....I knew that stopping down would help it but I did not know that zooming in/out would...(though I'm sure it's something elementary that I'm supposed to have known). :lol: I do appreciate both the link and the time you took to "splain"...

[Lightstream]

Thank you for explaining that....I knew that stopping down would help it but I did not know that zooming in/out would...(though I'm sure it's something elementary that I'm supposed to have known). :lol: I do appreciate both the link and the time you took to "splain"...

You're welcome :)

Think I had better head off to bed, it's late, and I feel like I am suddenly gonna turn into a REAL bitch for no good reason (or any reason, real or imagined), probably has something to do with being tired, so better knock off before that happens. My bad moods can be legendary especially when tired.

Later folks...

[ejwebb]

REAL QUESTION: what would a duck be if it weren't sharp??? ....
NARSASISTIC ANSWER: taking pictures like this ... ;)

Sasquatch!!!!!

[Permagrin]

Wool, I'm definitely with you on "Bond". Though I did like Brosnan a lot, but Connery made Bond!

[Woolburr]

REAL QUESTION: what would a duck be if it weren't sharp??? ....
NARSASISTIC ANSWER: taking pictures like this ... ;)

Yo...DD...You need to lay off the caffeine dood...that is some serious case of the shakes you got there!;)

[Permagrin]

Yo...DD...You need to lay off the caffeine dood...that is some serious case of the shakes you got there!;)

nooo, see this is what happened....
(don't you love these "facts" of mine :lol: )

The duck was a decoy.
DD was lured in by a false sense of tranquility....
the duck's buddies were just "waiting" in the brush, for some unlikely camera wielder (actually they were hoping to catch Petkal with one of his expensive lenses but....)...
some of them probably secretly wore tatoos but we'll not go there...
the ground was moist...the decoy flexed a little wing....
DD dropped his guard and raised the camera...
and WHAM!, he was rolled.
The renegade ducks were off...to wreak more havoc on unsuspecting photographers
and quack about it over bug juice at a local pond.

[Woolburr]

Vignetting and light fall off are seldom a problem for me, even though they exist in many of the original images....I seldom print 4x6 or 8x12...most of my prints are 5x7, 8x10, 10x14 or 16x20......the crop for aspect ration takes care of any problems with the corners of the images.

The biggest problem I have is with the 17-40 or 16-35 on the 1Ds....I use the hood alternatives on both...and at the wide end you will end up with a bit of the hood in the frame. Not a problem with either lens on the 1DmkIIn or any of the 1.6 crop bodies.

[Woolburr]

nooo, see this is what happened....
(don't you love these "facts" of mine :lol: )

The duck was a decoy.
DD was lured in by a false sense of tranquility....
the duck's buddies were just "waiting" in the brush, for some unlikely camera wielder (actually they were hoping to catch Petkal with one of his expensive lenses but....)...
some of them probably secretly wore tatoos but we'll not go there...
the ground was moist...the decoy flexed a little wing....
DD dropped his guard and raised the camera...
and WHAM!, he was rolled.
The renegade ducks were off...to wreak more havoc on unsuspecting photographers
and quack about it over bug juice at a local pond.

Hiya Permie....how many Nyquils have you had for breakfast? :lol: You do have some interesting thoughts.:rolleyes:

[Permagrin]

Vignetting and light fall off are seldom a problem for me, even though they exist in many of the original images....I seldom print 4x6 or 8x12...most of my prints are 5x7, 8x10, 10x14 or 16x20......the crop for aspect ration takes care of any problems with the corners of the images.

The biggest problem I have is with the 17-40 or 16-35 on the 1Ds....I use the hood alternatives on both...and at the wide end you will end up with a bit of the hood in the frame. Not a problem with either lens on the 1DmkIIn or any of the 1.6 crop bodies.

Yes, I never noticed it on my MKIIN. The 5D has definitely had a learning curve but I still prefer it. Although I've become resigned to never actually capture a bird in flight...if they'll sit still and let me walk up to them and pose them how I'd like, I may have a chance :)

Hiya Permie....how many Nyquils have you had for breakfast? :lol: You do have some interesting thoughts.:rolleyes:

I've been up since 4 something...head cold. So you can blame the congestion or the fever...or the fact that my imagination is quite active. ;) Plus I've had several cups of coffee....but that nnneeevvveer effects me, really.

[Woolburr]

DD says it doesn't effect him either....the photo seems to show otherwise.

[Permagrin]

DD says it doesn't effect him either....the photo seems to show otherwise.

Yes Wool, I know you don't appreciate the finer points of coffee....

so how DO you wake up?

[Woolburr]

Yes Wool, I know you don't appreciate the finer points of coffee....

so how DO you wake up?

That's a bit personal isn't it?? hehehe....I usually have a glass of OJ, V-8 or a Pepsi to start my morning.:lol:

[wu_wei0]

Permie- I take care of weekend early wake ups by napping. just had one. . . and no bad dreams this time!

[wu_wei0]

That's a bit personal isn't it?? hehehe....I usually have a glass of OJ, V-8 or a Pepsi to start my morning.:lol:
sorry no flamingo butts for your waking this morning.

[Permagrin]

That's a bit personal isn't it?? hehehe....I usually have a glass of OJ, V-8 or a Pepsi to start my morning.:lol:

sorry no flamingo butts for your waking this morning.

You're right Wool, flamingo butts are rather personal...:lol:

Permie- I take care of weekend early wake ups by napping. just had one. . . and no bad dreams this time!

OOOH yay...no toothy cows!
I'm off to wake the rest of the household. It's certainly time...I've been sitting quietly for the last 4 hours and I can't stand it anymore (I'm all hopped up on caffeine, I can't be confined in a small space...)

[wu_wei0]

OOOH yay...no toothy cows!
I'm off to wake the rest of the household. It's certainly time...I've been sitting quietly for the last 4 hours and I can't stand it anymore (I'm all hopped up on caffeine, I can't be confined in a small space...)
I'd have been happy with toothy cows! These dreams were weird and depressing and full of non-favorite people. not a cow in sight.

[Woolburr]

Worse than cows in sheep's clothing? BTW...you do know the difference between a cow and wolf....right??? hehehe...morning Wu....how's the bruises?

[wu_wei0]

Yes, I know the difference. The cows that bother me are the cows in clow clothing! seems so cannibalistic!
My bruises are quite kalaideskopic this morning with their everchagning hues and patterns. Rorschach is out- 70s psychadelics are in. :lol:

And you are spot on about Connery! There is no Bond without him. Of course, I could turn the picture off a Connery movie and be quite. . . thrilled. . . with just the sound of his voice. :)

[Woolburr]

Back to Timothy Leary and his flying astral plane. Might make for an interesting SP....:lol:

[wu_wei0]

Back to Timothy Leary and his flying astral plane. Might make for an interesting SP....:lol:
sorry I am groggy and brain doesn't seem to be functioning. Can't seem to stay awake for long at a time.

[Woolburr]

You are getting sleepy....very sleepy.....................check your mailbox.

[wu_wei0]

You are getting sleepy....very sleepy.....................check your mailbox.
I think hypnosis would work really well today. I have no defenses.

Was actually kinda worried about the head injury part on Friday- but now I think I am just exhausted and lazy!

[Woolburr]

Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh...the kids are right...you do need a keeper!

[wu_wei0]

someone else I know has suggested that too. :lol:
I'm just unkeepable.
and now you know why I don't tell the kids stuff, too. :)

[Woolburr]

You neglected to share the impact to the head part...I was assuming only bruised pride!

[wu_wei0]

You neglected to share the impact to the head part...I was assuming only bruised pride!
It was a long way down those stairs. I think everything hit more than once. Headache bad enough to cancel that morning's class. still tender. But, yes, my pride got pretty bruised, too. ;) I now proudly own ~wu's skins of many colors. Maybe I need to borrow a cow skin from one of the cannibal cows.

[Woolburr]

Good grief Charlie Brown...what were you thinking?

[Permagrin]

It was a long way down those stairs. I think everything hit more than once. Headache bad enough to cancel that morning's class. still tender. But, yes, my pride got pretty bruised, too. ;) I now proudly own ~wu's skins of many colors. Maybe I need to borrow a cow skin from one of the cannibal cows.

Wu, did you ever see a doctor?

[Digital_Duck]

nooo, see this is what happened....
(don't you love these "facts" of mine :lol: )

The duck was a decoy.
DD was lured in by a false sense of tranquility....
the duck's buddies were just "waiting" in the brush, for some unlikely camera wielder (actually they were hoping to catch Petkal with one of his expensive lenses but....)...
some of them probably secretly wore tatoos but we'll not go there...
the ground was moist...the decoy flexed a little wing....
DD dropped his guard and raised the camera...
and WHAM!, he was rolled.
The renegade ducks were off...to wreak more havoc on unsuspecting photographers
and quack about it over bug juice at a local pond.
:lol: wow! never saw 'em ...

ruff crowd!

[Digital_Duck]

DD says it doesn't effect him either....the photo seems to show otherwise.
if anything ... it was withdrawal :p

[Digital_Duck]

Back to Timothy Leary and his flying astral plane. Might make for an interesting SP....:lol:
?? huh? - knowing him really shows your age :p :p

[Woolburr]

?? huh? - knowing him really shows your age :p :p

Or makes me a fan of the Moody Blues. ;)

[Permagrin]

:lol: wow! never saw 'em ...

ruff crowd!

Bunch of quacks!

[liza]

up and down all night most nights. weekdays I am out of the house and at the office for at least an hour by now

You sound like me. I've been particularly restless of late.

Wool, I'm definitely with you on "Bond". Though I did like Brosnan a lot, but Connery made Bond!


And you are spot on about Connery! There is no Bond without him. Of course, I could turn the picture off a Connery movie and be quite. . . thrilled. . . with just the sound of his voice. :)

Connery is the king of the Bonds. His voice alone gives me cold chills. ;) :p

?? huh? - knowing him really shows your age :p :p

Or makes me a fan of the Moody Blues. ;)

I know Leary and was also a fan of the Moody Blues (loved "Nights in White Satin"). Does that make me old, too?

[Digital_Duck]

You sound like me. I've been particularly restless of late.





Connery is the king of the Bonds. His voice alone gives me cold chills. ;) :p





I know Leary and was also a fan of the Moody Blues (loved "Nights in White Satin"). Does that make me old, too?

Naw!
Personally; I liked the Cowsill's ...

[liza]

Naw!
Personally; I liked the Cowsill's ...

Me, too. Barry was dreamy! :p ;)

[Permagrin]

You know...I'm not young and I haven't a clue who you both are talking about...

[liza]

Remember the song, Hair? That was the Cowsills. They were like the Partridge Family, if you remember that show.

Keep in mind, Permie, that my formative years were the 1960's.

[Permagrin]

Remember the song, Hair? That was the Cowsills. They were like the Partridge Family, if you remember that show.

Keep in mind, Permie, that my formative years were the 1960's.

:) I remember the Partridge Family but not the Cowsills...and I guess you could say my "formative" year was in the 60's...:lol:

[wu_wei0]

No, Permie, no docs for me. Had enough of them the first half of the year.

Liza- connery voice=cold chills, weak knees, warm tinglies-- kinda like some flu symptoms, I guess but much more pleasant. Used to have a budy who did a spot on connery and knew my, um, enjoyment of the sound. We'd be sitting in a panel of scholars doing presentations and he'd lean over during lulls and whisper connery in my ear. :lol: Always led to good presentations from me.

I know Leary and Moody Blues too. I'm old. I'll take cheesecake and Jim Morrison, though right now. I wonder if I have either in the house?
wonder how long I can stay awake this time. . .

[Woolburr]

:) I remember the Partridge Family but not the Cowsills...and I guess you could say my "formative" year was in the 60's...:lol:

The Cowsills were the real life Partridge family.... http://www.cowsill.com/history.html

[Permagrin]

No, Permie, no docs for me. Had enough of them the first half of the year.

Liza- connery voice=cold chills, weak knees, warm tinglies-- kinda like some flu symptoms, I guess but mouch more pleasant. Used to have a budy who did a spot on connery and knew my, um, enjoyment of the sound. We'd be sitting in a panel of scholars doing presentations and he'd lean over during lulls and whisper connery in my ear. :lol: Always led to good presentations from me.

I know Leary and Moody Blues too. I'm old. I'll take cheesecake and Jim Morrison, though.
wonder how long I can stay awake this time. . .


Wu I don't know any woman, self included, that doesn't exhibit above symptoms at Sean Connery's voice...I'm sure he's been the subject of many confessionals :lol: :lol:

I really hope you're okay...no doctor and a head smack...and sleep issues doesn't sound very good...

[Woolburr]

So where is the smart comment that I missed?

[Permagrin]

So where is the smart comment that I missed?

I removed it! It made no sense, minus your post...:lol: :lol:
(not that I ever make much sense anyway...)

[Woolburr]

Want me to put my post back? rofl

[Permagrin]

Want me to put my post back? rofl

It'd be really funny if you put a completely obscure and non related post up now...:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Woolburr]

Me, too. Barry was dreamy! :p ;)

You do know that they found his body in New Orleans back in December of last year? Still a lot of unanswered questions.

[wu_wei0]

Want me to put my post back? rofl
well, pooh! I go to be productive and I miss out on all the cool stuff!! :(

[Woolburr]

The rain in Spain falls mainly on my head.

[wu_wei0]

It'd be really funny if you put a completely obscure and non related post up now...:lol: :lol: :lol:

In this thread, how could anybody tell if it was obscure and non related?? :lol::lol::lol:

[Permagrin]

well, pooh! I go to be productive and I miss out on all the cool stuff!! :(

nothing cool...just strange! (it was boring around here)

What'd you do?
My MIL is gone and I'm just relaxing. She was totally in one of her moods...22 yrs of marriage and I still am exhausted after a weekend with her. (Did I mention she's never really liked me?)

[Woolburr]

Eli...touchdown!

[Permagrin]

The rain in Spain falls mainly on my head.

but "you coulda bin a contenda"?

[Permagrin]

Eli...touchdown!

uh oh Wool, I fear we are rooting for opposite sides in this one...

[wu_wei0]

nothing cool...just strange! (it was boring around here)

What'd you do?
My MIL is gone and I'm just relaxing. She was totally in one of her moods...22 yrs of marriage and I still am exhausted after a weekend with her. (Did I mention she's never really liked me?)
Just wrote 2/3 of my exam and did another load of laundry. That's major for this weekend. I even washed dishes earlier. I'm exhausted! lol

Mine didn't like me either- unless she needed me to do something for her- still didn't like me, but. . .

I am happy to say I totally LOVE my DIL and my future DIL. I even liked MIke's last SO. They are all intelligent, talented, and artsy women and loads of fun to be around. and they treat my sons well but don't take any guff from them when they forget who raised 'em and how!

[Woolburr]

uh oh Wool, I fear we are rooting for opposite sides in this one...

Good grief...nobody likes the Cowboys...the only redeeming quality that they have is their cheerleaders!

[Permagrin]

Just wrote 2/3 of my exam and did another load of laundry. That's major for this weekend. I even washed dishes earlier. I'm exhausted! lol

Mine didn't like me either- unless she needed me to do something for her- still didn't like me, but. . .

I am happy to say I totally LOVE my DIL and my future DIL. I even liked MIke's last SO. They are all intelligent, talented, and artsy women and loads of fun to be around. and they treat my sons well but don't take any guff from them when they forget who raised 'em and how!

:lol: :lol: That's great. I'm always hoping I'll be a good MIL (and that I'll like my dil's/sil's). Son is not dating but daughter is serious. I don't ever want them to be unhappy with their future MIL.

Wow, sounds like you did get a lot done. When does winter break start?

[Permagrin]

Good grief...nobody likes the Cowboys...the only redeeming quality that they have is their cheerleaders!

sorry, but I'm not really drawn to that redeeming feature.
It's not the cowboys per se, rather Bill Parcells. I'm a huge fan of Coach. If I ever owned a football team, he'd be the guy that I'd pay bazillions to coach it....I'm (she says rather shamefacedly) a Raiders fan. (you'll just have to imagine the skulls & spikes...) :lol: :lol:

[wu_wei0]

:lol: :lol: That's great. I'm always hoping I'll be a good MIL (and that I'll like my dil's/sil's). Son is not dating but daughter is serious. I don't ever want them to be unhappy with their future MIL.

Wow, sounds like you did get a lot done. When does winter break start?

I'm done on the 14th at noon-- except for the grading and getting final grades turned in. I won't be able to work over break. They'll turn the heat off in the building so no PP for me. :(

[liza]

You do know that they found his body in New Orleans back in December of last year? Still a lot of unanswered questions.

Ewww. Didn't know that. :(

Just wrote 2/3 of my exam and did another load of laundry. That's major for this weekend. I even washed dishes earlier. I'm exhausted! lol


I haven't had much energy either, Wu. It was a miracle that I actually washed the dishes and fed the cats. I'm just in a slump this weekend. A nice fellow I know contacted me earlier and said he wished he had known, because we could have gone to the movies. Damn! And I want to see that new one. I think it's called "We Are Marshall."

[wu_wei0]

That's about the Kansas team isn't it? We lost a plane a few years ago at OSU. Not nearly so big but devastating to the campus and community.

Kids were going to take me to a movie while they were here but nothing was good in town and by the time we got done in topeka we were beat and just came home and made garlic shrimp on angelhair pasta with wilted spinach (it is actually really really good), baked artichole hearts and drank lots of good wine. I think we watched something on PPV but i believe we talked through it. It was a good time.

[Woolburr]

I'm done on the 14th at noon-- except for the grading and getting final grades turned in. I won't be able to work over break. They'll turn the heat off in the building so no PP for me. :(

Trying to PP with no heat brings back memories of the old days...when the only heat in the facilities was from the lantern you carried to light your way out.

[wu_wei0]

Trying to PP with no heat brings back memories of the old days...when the only heat in the facilities was from the lantern you carried to light your way out.
ROFLMBO! I have done that before. :)
as for photographic PP and no office heat, I remember working on a book a few years ago over christmas break. If the facilities guys had caught me I'd have been in trouble. I brought in several incandescent lamps and lit candles all around me- high up so I wouldn't knock them over. Still wore hat, fingerless gloves and many layers and my fingers were purple after just minutes at work. Got that sucker done though!

[Permagrin]

Trying to PP with no heat brings back memories of the old days...when the only heat in the facilities was from the lantern you carried to light your way out.

Kind of reminds me of an Ichabod Crane moment....

ROFLMBO! I have done that before. :)
as for photographic PP and no office heat, I remember working on a book a few years ago over christmas break. If the facilities guys had caught me I'd have been in trouble. I brought in several incandescent lamps and lit candles all around me- high up so I wouldn't knock them over. Still wore hat, fingerless gloves and many layers and my fingers were purple after just minutes at work. Got that sucker done though!

It's probably good they didn't find you Wu...w/all the candles and lamps, they'd have thought it was some ritual or rite...

[Woolburr]

Using an outhouse has been compared to a ritual or a rite by many.....hehehe

[Permagrin]

Using an outhouse has been compared to a ritual or a rite by many.....hehehe

I thought it was called frostbite....

[Woolburr]

It has been called that too....we used to spend New Year's at our cabin in NY....just an outhouse...and you didn't linger.

[wu_wei0]

It's probably good they didn't find you Wu...w/all the candles and lamps, they'd have thought it was some ritual or rite...

ROFL. I'm used to that. I smudged my office with sage and sweetgrass and got turned in for smoking weed in my office. Burned Sage has a familiar smell. Luckily, my dept head knew me and knew that I was a smudger.

[puddlepirate44]

Using an outhouse has been compared to a ritual or a rite by many.....hehehe

I dunno, I've seen some outhouses that have been banned in accordance with the Geneva Convention as a form of torture

[wu_wei0]

I thought it was called frostbite....
Not exactly the best parts to frostbite!

[puddlepirate44]

ROFL. I'm used to that. I smudged my office with sage and sweetgrass and got turned in for smoking weed in my office. Burned Sage has a familiar smell. Luckily, my dept head knew me and knew that I was a smudger.

I "smudged" toast the other morning and woke my wife up with the smoke detectors... :o

[wu_wei0]

I dunno, I've seen some outhouses that have been banned in accordance with the Geneva Convention as a form of torture
I think most should be. I am thankful for indoor plumbing- especiall now that it is on the main level of my house. last place I lived the loo was at the top of some pretty trecherous stairs.

Woohoo! another load of laundry done. I will have my heavy baggy sweats to wear with my ratty angora sweater once time for relaxing comes around again! I'm on a roll!

[Permagrin]

Not exactly the best parts to frostbite!

(this would be where I refrain from mentioning any of those "bandying" moments referred to earlier in this thread...after all, frozen data isn't at all useful)

[Permagrin]

I "smudged" toast the other morning and woke my wife up with the smoke detectors... :o

"smudged" would not be a term I'd use in close association with toast and outhouses...

[wu_wei0]

(this would be where I refrain from mentioning any of those "bandying" moments referred to earlier in this thread...after all, frozen data isn't at all useful)
But, once you warm it up. . .

[puddlepirate44]

But, once you warm it up. . .

:oops: :oops: :shock: :shock:

[Permagrin]

But, once you warm it up. . .

yep, we're twins ;) :lol:

[Digital_Duck]

:) I remember the Partridge Family but not the Cowsills...and I guess you could say my "formative" year was in the 60's...:lol:
Cowsill's were before the Partridge family - they were happening about the time of the Carpenter's (if I recall right!)

[puddlepirate44]

Cowsill's were before the Partridge family - they were happening about the time of the Carpenter's (if I recall right!)

OOoo, yup, there's another 8-track tape I'll have to find on eBay.