Red-Ringed Tupperware Party with (ineffective) Tin Foil Hats

[Woolburr]

Ok....now it is time to crash...the eyelids just slammed shut while trying to read a post. Nite all!

[Permagrin]

The coffee collapses inwards unto itself towards a vanishing point, creating a miniature black hole and sucking in everything else within a couple of meters. Be advised this may cause severe damage to your kitchen. Drink it quickly ;)

I am finishing this pack of pre-ground coffee and will be doing the grind-on-demand thing for the next batch. No more pre-grinding large batches (I am still a n00b remember..)

MUST DRINK COFFEE (future and forever mantra)

Just noticed the time. It's back to bed for me! Night all!

Night Liza...I'm off for good now too ;)

That is pretty funny...perhaps you should set aside a small sample...to brew specially at 8:30 on the 12th.

That's actually my anniversary. I can't think of a worse way to start the day, than with year old coffee...probably I'll pass on this one :lol: :lol:

[Lightstream]

cya...

And for those still left: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf

Absolutely STUNNING portrait.. that looks posed-perfect...... plus that's my favorite animal... WOW..

[Lightstream]

Too much coffee!! (check out the portrait)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Timber_Wolf

http://pix.lightrefineries.org/img/crackup.gif

[Woolburr]

MUST DRINK COFFEE (future and forever mantra)
That's actually my anniversary. I can't think of a worse way to start the day, than with year old coffee...probably I'll pass on this one :lol: :lol:

Where is your sense of adventure? I doubt there could be much difference between year old and 50 year old coffee. Heck, during my time in the military, we were using coffee packaged at the end of WWII...that was 30+ years old and people sucked it down by the bucket full. At least they did...right up until the time I was ordered to make a pot of that crud and decided to clean their nasty old coffee maker out with some Comet. ;)

[wu_wei0]

Where is your sense of adventure? I doubt there could be much difference between year old and 50 year old coffee. Heck, during my time in the military, we were using coffee packaged at the end of WWII...that was 30+ years old and people sucked it down by the bucket full. At least they did...right up until the time I was ordered to make a pot of that crud and decided to clean their nasty old coffee maker out with some Comet. ;)

Yuck!
"Use Comet, and Vomit
Today!"

Nice to see folks are up and moving.

[Woolburr]

It served a purpose...I was never ordered or even asked to make another pot of coffee. How's things in the Land of Oz?

[Permagrin]

Where is your sense of adventure? I doubt there could be much difference between year old and 50 year old coffee. Heck, during my time in the military, we were using coffee packaged at the end of WWII...that was 30+ years old and people sucked it down by the bucket full. At least they did...right up until the time I was ordered to make a pot of that crud and decided to clean their nasty old coffee maker out with some Comet. ;)

This said from a person who hates coffee..
(on the fact side: the beans get dry and lose their flavor...and smell something like folgers, when they get old. bleah)

on the FUNNY side: that was a horrid thing to do! Did you forget to rinse the comet or something? :lol: :lol: And if I had the choice btw. old coffee and no coffee, I too would chose old (I think...however, I'm not quite sure).

Morning. Again, it's pretty quiet around here....

LS, I like what we're doing now, photowise. Except that maybe we could ask for C&C (as in the shots I posted yesterday, I didn't even see that the lamp one was blurry...:lol:). That way we're just posting what we're shooting normally. And we get to see what the others "do" (instead of assign something). What do you guys think? I definitely wouldn't mind advice from all of you. And I love seeing what you are out and about, doing.

[wu_wei0]

It served a purpose...I was never ordered or even asked to make another pot of coffee. How's things in the Land of Oz?

Good plan, Dan!
End of Semester is Tornadic as usual. Looking forward to the pot of gold (bricks) somewhere over the rainbow. :lol:

Have you recovered from the defeat?

[Permagrin]

I just looked and last night alone, from the time I clicked on (not saying it was all me by any stretch :) we added 18 pages to this thread...that's wild. I think this alone has contributed about 600 to my pc...

[wu_wei0]

I just looked and last night alone, from the time I clicked on (not saying it was all me by any stretch :) we added 18 pages to this thread...that's wild. I think this alone has contributed about 600 to my pc...
There was lots to read even after I went to bed last night. Got caught up while everyone was sleeping.
I'm still never gonna catch up to Wool, though. When was it we turned 1000? Look at you now! all grown up! :)

[Woolburr]

This said from a person who hates coffee..
(on the fact side: the beans get dry and lose their flavor...and smell something like folgers, when they get old. bleah)

on the FUNNY side: that was a horrid thing to do! Did you forget to rinse the comet or something? :lol: :lol: And if I had the choice btw. old coffee and no coffee, I too would chose old (I think...however, I'm not quite sure).

Morning. Again, it's pretty quiet around here....

LS, I like what we're doing now, photowise. Except that maybe we could ask for C&C (as in the shots I posted yesterday, I didn't even see that the lamp one was blurry...:lol:). That way we're just posting what we're shooting normally. And we get to see what the others "do" (instead of assign something). What do you guys think? I definitely wouldn't mind advice from all of you. And I love seeing what you are out and about, doing.

I make no bones about the fact I don't care for coffee...the smell of it turns my stomach. I did rinse the pot out...but supposedly...something happens when you mix Comet and stainless steel...add coffee and you get a rather horrid taste....perhaps all the chlorine.

As far as just sharing pics and seeking input...that works fine for me...I am always up for ways to make stuff better. And it is kind of fun to share in an unstructured way.

Good plan, Dan!
End of Semester is Tornadic as usual. Looking forward to the pot of gold (bricks) somewhere over the rainbow. :lol:

Have you recovered from the defeat?

Still reeling from the defeat...but since it is only December...it can be lived with...I suspect that it would have been much more traumatic had it occured in March. It must have been bad...my brother didn't call me this morning to go over the details...He too is an SU alum and die-hard fan....especially when it comes to basketball. Must be he was too busy making wine to complain.

The winds should subside come the final ebb and flow of the semester. That is the best time to seek (gold) bricks!

[Woolburr]

There was lots to read even after I went to bed last night. Got caught up while everyone was sleeping.
I'm still never gonna catch up to Wool, though. When was it we turned 1000? Look at you now! all grown up! :)

I guess 1K was a turning point...then there was 2K and we were still in the same game...I suspect you having to work a full time job, while I get to play full time...might just have a wee bit of bearing on the PC disparity of the moment.

[wu_wei0]

I guess 1K was a turning point...then there was 2K and we were still in the same game...I suspect you having to work a full time job, while I get to play full time...might just have a wee bit of bearing on the PC disparity of the moment.
Well you did say I could make it up, but that's a lot of makeup work.

[Permagrin]

I make no bones about the fact I don't care for coffee...the smell of it turns my stomach. I did rinse the pot out...but supposedly...something happens when you mix Comet and stainless steel...add coffee and you get a rather horrid taste....perhaps all the chlorine.

As far as just sharing pics and seeking input...that works fine for me...I am always up for ways to make stuff better. And it is kind of fun to share in an unstructured way.


I never knew that about coffee and chlorine...I always clean my pot with vinegar. Then lets do that, re: the photos. I don't post on the critique anymore because of the tendency to fillet, but I do appreciate honest suggestions.

I guess 1K was a turning point...then there was 2K and we were still in the same game...I suspect you having to work a full time job, while I get to play full time...might just have a wee bit of bearing on the PC disparity of the moment.

funny, I just looked up the pc...:lol: :lol: I do enjoy beginning/ending my day here though...it's like chatting by the fire.

[Woolburr]

I can stop for a while...(honest...I can...sure...);)

[wu_wei0]

I prefer a more informal shoot, post, critique arrangement. Plenty of other places with assignments. No reason not to post a link here if you particiapte in them so that this group can comment if they like.
Would be nice to actually sit and chat by the fire. I enjoy the company here

Speaking of which, Wool, how was the hot tub and BB&M last night?

[wu_wei0]

I can stop for a while...(honest...I can...sure...);)
No need to stop!

[Permagrin]

I can stop for a while...(honest...I can...sure...);)

Better not!

I prefer a more informal shoot, post, critique arrangement. Plenty of other places with assignments. No reason not to post a link here if you particiapte in them so that this group can comment if they like.
Would be nice to actually sit and chat by the fire. I enjoy the company here

Speaking of which, Wool, how was the hot tub and BB&M last night?

Okay cool. I'm sure LS and Liza will like it too, since we all shoot such different things.

Wu, you don't remember the hot tub?

[Woolburr]

I prefer a more informal shoot, post, critique arrangement. Plenty of other places with assignments. No reason not to post a link here if you particiapte in them so that this group can comment if they like.
Would be nice to actually sit and chat by the fire. I enjoy the company here

Speaking of which, Wool, how was the hot tub and BB&M last night?

http://www.pbase.com/image/71289157.jpg

I can only think of one addition that would have made it more fun. ;)

[Permagrin]

http://www.pbase.com/image/71289157.jpg

I can only think of one addition that would have made it more fun. ;)

Man, I need one of those!

Sorry Wu, I didn't know that you weren't there last night...:) Apparently got my signals crossed!

[wu_wei0]

http://www.pbase.com/image/71289157.jpg

I can only think of one addition that would have made it more fun. ;)
Very nice.
Moooore beer? :lol:

No permie, I remember talk of a hot tub, but not being in one.

[Woolburr]

It couldn't be the overhead mood lighting.
http://www.pbase.com/image/71289561.jpg

Or the built in lighting.
http://www.pbase.com/image/71289729.jpg

[Permagrin]

Hey Wool, with the mood lighting, the hot tub & a few candles scattered here and there...some wine chilling...........

............

[Permagrin]

I just realized my son is 20 today. Now that's weird...makes me feel OLD...for some reason my birthdays don't affect me as much as my children's birthdays...though, I am turning 40 next year so perhaps that might actually knock me over the brink :lol: :lol:

[wu_wei0]

The light reflecions there at the top make it look a bit like a mini aurora.
The aurora is one of my items on the TDBID list. I did see a mior display at camp a few years ago but I missed the big one the night before we got there.

It was so funny. My oldest and I pull up to the lodge at Stearns where my other two were directors that summer. I was barely out of the car when the guys who had come down to visit with us a couple years back were scooping me up and twirling me around telling me all about the aurora I missed and where the best places to watch were. Of course, my own sons were a little late in the welcoming.

The whoel camp was on aurora alert for me the whole time I was there, it seemed. we'd get a radio call any time of night to tell me about what was showing and a couple times I was woken in the middle of the nightand hauled off to try to catch a glimpse. We only made it to the clearings once for just a flicker.

Fun times. Great group of kids. Can't wait til Josh and Jess's wedding next year so I can see those characters again.

[wu_wei0]

I just realized my son is 20 today. Now that's weird...makes me feel OLD...for some reason my birthdays don't affect me as much as my children's birthdays...though, I am turning 40 next year so perhaps that might actually knock me over the brink :lol: :lol:

Wait til you have one that's 31! and a baby that is 24. :shock:
Now all my kids are older than me. :( ???

OF course, the oldest one doesn't tease me so much about putting me in the home anymore.:lol::lol:

[Woolburr]

Candles you say? Now what guy would think of that?
http://www.pbase.com/image/71289935.jpg

[Permagrin]

Wait til you have one that's 31! and a baby that is 24. :shock:
Now all my kids are older than me. :( ???

OF course, the oldest one doesn't tease me so much about putting me in the home anymore.:lol::lol:

FUNNY! Mine do that...perhaps they'll stop when they get older too!

Candles you say? Now what guy would think of that?
Yer right Wool...I don't think I know one guy that would think of that! Very cool looking candles btw...really artzy...

brb...got to get something to eat!

[Woolburr]

FUNNY! Mine do that...perhaps they'll stop when they get older too!


Yer right Wool...I don't think I know one guy that would think of that! Very cool looking candles btw...really artzy...

brb...got to get something to eat!

Gee...I'm not sure how to take that....I put the candles there. I don't have a pic of the surround sound tunes...but they are there as well. These were all shot the day I put the hot tub in.

[wu_wei0]

Candles you say? Now what guy would think of that?
Dig those candles. Good job:)

[Permagrin]

Gee...I'm not sure how to take that....I put the candles there. I don't have a pic of the surround sound tunes...but they are there as well. These were all shot the day I put the hot tub in.

Take it as a compliment...it's a thoughtful (and while I don't mean anything by this) and romantic detail that isn't often thought of....well done! Oooh, and surround sound...cool.

Can't think of anything better than to add a bit of classical music in the mix w/all the stuff I mentioned earlier :lol:

Now, I'm off to make some toast.

[wu_wei0]

Take it as a compliment...it's a thoughtful (and while I don't mean anything by this) and romantic detail that isn't often thought of....well done! Oooh, and surround sound...cool.

Can't think of anything better than to add a bit of classical music in the mix w/all the stuff I mentioned earlier :lol:


Could be nice.:) Blues and beers could be a good way to go, as well.All kinds of good options out there

I do candles for me all the time. In Grad school I used to have tuesday nights to myself and would light masses of candles to do my class readings by. Whenever company came it was always candlelight regardless of who. I remember a new GF of one of the boys asking if I was a witch.

I have candles all over my place- even backyard, and front porch. . . Don't light them much anymore though. Probably should - makes me feel better. I really like light and shadow. sometimes don't like the flicker so much, but I love to watch or trace the patterns.

Crappy shots follow
Hedy's good bath
http://static.flickr.com/35/124505229_f0943c2c8a.jpg

My sunroom off the bedroom- blew the lamp and the punched tin star lights, but it does show my favorite candelabra, though
http://static.flickr.com/50/127693778_3cb895138d_m.jpg

Nightlight
http://static.flickr.com/44/127693002_4f5cae1f38_m.jpg

[Woolburr]

I have to tell you...I am more inclined towards Santana when I am relaxing. The beer fridge is just steps away...and the wine is only a hair further.

[Permagrin]

Could be nice.:) Blues and beers could be a good way to go, as well.All kinds of good options out there

Blues and beer sounds nice too. Did you ever hear the Willy DeVille accoustic trio? I just discovered them recently (though they've probably been around a while...)

[Permagrin]

I have to tell you...I am more inclined towards Santana when I am relaxing. The beer fridge is just steps away...and the wine is only a hair further.

Santana = the greatest guitarist of all time. Bar none (IMO).

[wu_wei0]

I have to tell you...I am more inclined towards Santana when I am relaxing. The beer fridge is just steps away...and the wine is only a hair further.
That's nice surprise.

Don't know Willy D, Permie. I'll have to check them out

[Woolburr]

Santana = the greatest guitarist of all time. Bar none (IMO).

He is certainly right up there with Clapton, Hendrix, Duane Allman, Mark Knopfler, and Eric Johnson. And then of course...you have BB.

[Permagrin]

That's nice surprise.

Don't know Willy D, Permie. I'll have to check them out

listen to Storybook Love. (If you ever saw the Princess Bride, it's the theme song w/words...and a very funny MOVIE if you've never seen it) I'd never heard the song before (apparently it runs during the credits or something) until my daughter came down...then I went to itunes and listened to the trio...I just love a lot of their stuff.....though they are a serious style mix...blues, latin...a lot of everything really.

Wool, you forgot Jimmy Page. (I think he was quite good as well, but I still think Santana is the king!) Love that song with Steve Tyler ("just feel better").

edit: OH YES! Lucille!

[Claire]

Yaay, soon home!

[wu_wei0]

listen to Storybook Love. (If you ever saw the Princess Bride, it's the theme song w/words...and a very funny MOVIE if you've never seen it) I'd never heard the song before (apparently it runs during the credits or something) until my daughter came down...then I went to itunes and listened to the trio...I just love a lot of their stuff.....though they are a serious style mix...blues, latin...a lot of everything really.

Wool, you forgot Jimmy Page. (I think he was quite good as well, but I still think Santana is the king!) Love that song with Steve Tyler ("just feel better").
Love Princess Bride. Don't recall the song but will check it out.

[Woolburr]

Page is for certain on the list...but I don't go along with Rolling Stones version of the top 100 at all. Warren Haynes, Dickie Betts, Neil Young and Steven Stills get no where near the respect they deserve...and Todd Park Mohr is just plain forgotten.

[saravrose]

Could be nice.:) Blues and beers could be a good way to go, as well.All kinds of good options out there

I do candles for me all the time. In Grad school I used to have tuesday nights to myself and would light masses of candles to do my class readings by. Whenever company came it was always candlelight regardless of who. I remember a new GF of one of the boys asking if I was a witch.

I have candles all over my place- even backyard, and front porch. . . Don't light them much anymore though. Probably should - makes me feel better. I really like light and shadow. sometimes don't like the flicker so much, but I love to watch or trace the patterns.

Crappy shots follow
Hedy's good bath
http://static.flickr.com/35/124505229_f0943c2c8a.jpg

My sunroom off the bedroom- blew the lamp and the punched tin star lights, but it does show my favorite candelabra, though
http://static.flickr.com/50/127693778_3cb895138d_m.jpg

Nightlight
http://static.flickr.com/44/127693002_4f5cae1f38_m.jpg

I like candles too... I can't do the scented ones but I like candles... and they are pretty much all over my house... candles, opera and wine... just about perfect...

sari

[Permagrin]

Wu, I didn't see your photos until Sari reposted them. Just LOVE your sunroom!!! How gorgeous and romantic is that?!?!?! My house is one of those "cookie cutter" types...just was built about 4 yrs ago. What it lacks in style I suppose it gains in efficiency but still....:lol:

[Woolburr]

Yaay, soon home!

You should put your dinner pics over here too...or at least a link!

[Woolburr]

I like candles too... I can't do the scented ones but I like candles... and they are pretty much all over my house... candles, opera and wine... just about perfect...

sari

How's the voice today? Coming back any?

[saravrose]

How's the voice today? Coming back any?

I haven't really tested it out.. I've been drinking tea.... (I hate tea).. and have sent text messages to two of my friends who have called me. I have about an hour before I go to work if i'm lucky I maybe be able to squeak through the night..

[Permagrin]

I haven't really tested it out.. I've been drinking tea.... (I hate tea).. and have sent text messages to two of my friends who have called me. I have about an hour before I go to work if i'm lucky I maybe be able to squeak through the night..

Hey, ANOTHER night of being mysteriously sexy! :lol:

[saravrose]

Hey, ANOTHER night of being mysteriously sexy! :lol:

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: .. do not have the patience for that today... wish me luck that folks behave themselves..

sari

[Woolburr]

Take a notepad! And write extra small for the annoying customers! ;)

[saravrose]

Take a notepad! And write extra small for the annoying customers! ;)

haha... I'll be okay my boss thought it was hilarious...:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Permagrin]

Sari, you just need to say something like "hey, thanks for the invitation but I've already got 3 other dates for tonight...the rest of my year is booked too" :lol: :lol:

[saravrose]

Sari, you just need to say something like "hey, thanks for the invitation but I've already got 3 other dates for tonight...the rest of my year is booked too" :lol: :lol:

haha.. I have to walk a fine line... can't be insulting or rude and don't want to trash my tips... For the most part I pretend like I didn't hear them or be vague enough that they don't notice that i'm ignoring them...

sari

[wu_wei0]

Wu, I didn't see your photos until Sari reposted them. Just LOVE your sunroom!!! How gorgeous and romantic is that?!?!?! My house is one of those "cookie cutter" types...just was built about 4 yrs ago. What it lacks in style I suppose it gains in efficiency but still....:lol:

I rent a great old classic craftsman that has some nice features. That sunroom is quite nice but I don't spend time in there. Right now it is a little chilly, but I haven't used the room since April, I think- whenever they cut down my rose tree right outside the window. It makes a nice studio as well.

[Woolburr]

haha.. I have to walk a fine line... can't be insulting or rude and don't want to trash my tips... For the most part I pretend like I didn't hear them or be vague enough that they don't notice that i'm ignoring them...

sari

Definitely don't want to mess up the tips...those are the lifeblood of the job.

[Permagrin]

haha.. I have to walk a fine line... can't be insulting or rude and don't want to trash my tips... For the most part I pretend like I didn't hear them or be vague enough that they don't notice that i'm ignoring them...

sari

That's true...bartending does yield great tips! (have a friend who said he's rather be a bartender than a manager because the tips are better and the stress is less)

I rent a great old classic craftsman that has some nice features. That sunroom is quite nice but I don't spend time in there. Right now it is a little chilly, but I haven't used the room since April, I think- whenever they cut down my rose tree right outside the window. It makes a nice studio as well.

Craftsman is my favorite...used to like victorian as well but eventually I found I liked cleaner lines. And your sunroom/studio is really awesome. But since we were buying to stay for a long time and I'm tired of $200 heating bills around here, we decided to go more modern rather than renovate.

[saravrose]

Definitely don't want to mess up the tips...those are the lifeblood of the job.

very very true... to a point unless you aggravate me enough.. But, that generally takes awhile i'm not one to have a temper I generally wait until I get home or rant to the chefs and then go back to my bar full of smiles.. too bad people don't realize just how much we talk about you if you don't treat us well...

sari

[saravrose]

That's true...bartending does yield great tips! (have a friend who said he's rather be a bartender than a manager because the tips are better and the stress is less

I've made more money than salaried employees.. especially the chefs considering the hours they put in they don't make nearly what a server or bartender will make.. ofcourse this job is feast or famine but the guys that make a salary can depend on it week by week...

sari

[Permagrin]

I've made more money than salaried employees.. especially the chefs considering the hours they put in they don't make nearly what a server or bartender will make.. ofcourse this job is feast or famine but the guys that make a salary can depend on it week by week...

sari

That's just what Jeremy said....but I think he accepts the "propositions" that come his way :lol:

[Claire]

Ok,here's the link to the Xmas dinner shots.:)
http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=248130

[wu_wei0]

That's true...bartending does yield great tips! (have a friend who said he's rather be a bartender than a manager because the tips are better and the stress is less)



Craftsman is my favorite...used to like victorian as well but eventually I found I liked cleaner lines. And your sunroom/studio is really awesome. But since we were buying to stay for a long time and I'm tired of $200 heating bills around here, we decided to go more modern rather than renovate.
I was lucky- the owner installed a high efficiency heating/cooling system a couple years ago and just installed all new storms. Even in the hottest summer elec bill was only 60 for a high and heat runs around 90. The last place I lived in town gave me a 400 dollar heating bill for 1 winter month. Even with the heat going all the time (and not turned higher than 68 ) I wore multiple layers to bed along with mittens and a hat sometimes. I was never warm there.
This place is substangially larger, nicer, safer, and much cheaper in rent and bills both. Someday I might buy again, but not til I end up somewhere I'd remotely like to stay.

[wu_wei0]

Ok,here's the link to the Xmas dinner shots.:)
http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=248130

Yummy! Now I must go find food. :(

[Permagrin]

Ok,here's the link to the Xmas dinner shots.:)
http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=248130

claire, I LOVED those candy shots...really, the light was perfect...comp...everything.

[Claire]

It's not my best shots. I didn't want to overdo it, so took all shots very quickly. The 50mm would have been better as well.

I'm already planning for what shots to take when I move into the city. :D I want to try & get some night shots of Gothenburg for once.

[Woolburr]

I was lucky- the owner installed a high efficiency heating/cooling system a couple years ago and just installed all new storms. Even in the hottest summer elec bill was only 60 for a high and heat runs around 90. The last place I lived in town gave me a 400 dollar heating bill for 1 winter month. Even with the heat going all the time (and not turned higher than 68 ) I wore multiple layers to bed along with mittens and a hat sometimes. I was never warm there.
This place is substantially larger, nicer, safer, and much cheaper in rent and bills both. Someday I might buy again, but not til I end up somewhere I'd remotely like to stay.

I would kill for utility bills like that...I pay at least double that...and I have a high tech furnace and a/c system.

[wu_wei0]

I would kill for utility bills like that...I pay at least double that...and I have a high tech furnace and a/c system.

Don't know how I got so lucky with this one. The house is (relatively) enormous, 2 story with full basement, several attic spaces. . . The only room I have closed off is the sunroom and not even that when I moved in at the end of winter. May have a bit higher in late dec through january but I'm not expecting any surprises.
I do hate the aluminum storms though. Really detract from the appearance of the house (along with the crappy new paint job) but they may just do better for me than the wooden storms. I didn't even have all of them up last year.

fifteen more minutes til home! Hungry, tired, and can't concentrate anymore.

[saravrose]

Hey Claire what's the story with your move?.. is it still gonna happen?...

[Claire]

Sari,yes. Probably end Jan/start Feb. I'll take a little at a time. Feb probably will be a moving month. Will have to buy furniture etc. I hope to see if I can set up a mini home studio in the living room.:)

[saravrose]

Sari,yes. Probably end Jan/start Feb. I'll take a little at a time. Feb probably will be a moving month. Will have to buy furniture etc. I hope to see if I can set up a mini home studio in the living room.:)

very cool idea.. i'd do it myself if I had the room.. I'm glad for you and I hope it all works out well.. How are the parents taking the news?..

[Permagrin]

Sari,yes. Probably end Jan/start Feb. I'll take a little at a time. Feb probably will be a moving month. Will have to buy furniture etc. I hope to see if I can set up a mini home studio in the living room.:)

Claire, that sounds cool. I'm sure you're ready to be back on your own...I know that while I love both my children and they love us, neither would be happy for long living back at home, after being out on their own for a while.

[Permagrin]

fifteen more minutes til home! Hungry, tired, and can't concentrate anymore.

Well Wu, are you home, full and awake now? ;)

[saravrose]

Claire, that sounds cool. I'm sure you're ready to be back on your own...I know that while I love both my children and they love us, neither would be happy for long living back at home, after being out on their own for a while.

very true.. independence is addictive.. allthough I will eventually go back to the valley and make my home I wouldn't live with family again..

sari

[Permagrin]

very true.. independence is addictive.. allthough I will eventually go back to the valley and make my home I wouldn't live with family again..

sari

I do wish my kids lived closer...these 4x or less, a year, visits are hard.

[saravrose]

I do wish my kids lived closer...these 4x or less, a year, visits are hard.

yeah.. as bad as this sounds I do miss my aunts and uncles but it's not seeing the babies that really gets to me.. I just know that they are going to grow and change and have all those great moments that i'm not getting to watch.. made me feel pretty sad when I went home last month and realized my cousin's youngest had started crawling while I was gone... and the next time I see him he'll be walking.. and it's the holidays and it's looking less and less likely that i'll be able to go home... so i'm starting to sulk.. somebody tell me to shut up and go buy a fake christmas tree...

sari

[Permagrin]

yeah.. as bad as this sounds I do miss my aunts and uncles but it's not seeing the babies that really gets to me.. I just know that they are going to grow and change and have all those great moments that i'm not getting to watch.. made me feel pretty sad when I went home last month and realized my cousin's youngest had started crawling while I was gone... and the next time I see him he'll be walking.. and it's the holidays and it's looking less and less likely that i'll be able to go home... so i'm starting to sulk.. somebody tell me to shut up and go buy a fake christmas tree...

sari

Well, I hope it doesn't work out that you won't be able to go home Sari. You already missed Thanksgiving (though it was really cool of your Aunts to do a later gathering so you could be there)! But it probably would cheer you up to decorate. Get into the season, as it were. It won't make not going home easier, but you might find yourself having fun there...

[saravrose]

Well, I hope it doesn't work out that you won't be able to go home Sari. You already missed Thanksgiving (though it was really cool of your Aunts to do a later gathering so you could be there)! But it probably would cheer you up to decorate. Get into the season, as it were. It won't make not going home easier, but you might find yourself having fun there...

true.. the boys have planned a poker game and my next door neighbor will cook and it might be nice being quiet for the holidays and not rushing everywhere for two days.. and I can call everyone... and there's always next year... and my favorite cousin won't be there anyway with her brood (including abby) so that makes it a little easier...

sari

[Lightstream]

Hmm..

I can relate, had problems getting a flight home and I was absolutely NOT going to take no for an answer. I've been outstation too long.. as I told the travel agent, I'd be willing to drive, but I can only get around ~2000km to Darwin before I go splash into the big blue sea, where the car doesn't drive so good.

PG et al.: The post-what-you're-up-to-for-C&C is good. Though more C&C would be welcome :D as you said.. about the lamp, nobody commented. I thought the blur was part of the intended 'soft focus' effect actually! It adds, more than it takes away, from the lamp. This is coming from someone who is a sucker for image stabilizers for a reason too ;) (hates operator-induced blur)

[wu_wei0]

Well Wu, are you home, full and awake now? ;)

HOme just now. rNo food yet but awake. Took a bit of a walk to shake the cobwebs out. and buy beer. I'm glad I have a backpack that will carry a sixpack. Beer first, cool down then find something quick to eat.

[wu_wei0]

I do wish my kids lived closer...these 4x or less, a year, visits are hard.
I know how you feel. I miss having mike 4 hours away. He came about 4x a year. I got to see Josh and Jess 2x the last two years and haven't seen Chris and Angie since last thanksgiving. I sure miss them.

[saravrose]

wu how many kids do you have?

[wu_wei0]

wu how many kids do you have?
I have 3 sons, 1 DIL, and 1 soon-to-be DIL.

[liza]

I prefer a more informal shoot, post, critique arrangement. Plenty of other places with assignments. No reason not to post a link here if you particiapte in them so that this group can comment if they like.
Would be nice to actually sit and chat by the fire. I enjoy the company here

Speaking of which, Wool, how was the hot tub and BB&M last night?

I like that idea much better. I tend to rebel when someone tells me what I have to shoot. We had a nice show and tell the other night with images, which was fun and no stress. Let's do that again from time to time.

I just realized my son is 20 today. Now that's weird...makes me feel OLD...for some reason my birthdays don't affect me as much as my children's birthdays...though, I am turning 40 next year so perhaps that might actually knock me over the brink :lol: :lol:

Hey, I found that life begins at 40. That's when I divorced my loser husband, quit my crappy job, went back to school to get my teaching certification, and took a young lover. It was a magical time. ;)

He is certainly right up there with Clapton, Hendrix, Duane Allman, Mark Knopfler, and Eric Johnson. And then of course...you have BB.

Eric Clapton is, IMO, the best guitarist living today, and Duane Allman is the best of all time. Did you realize that a lot of the stuff you hear on "Layla" is him?

haha.. I have to walk a fine line... can't be insulting or rude and don't want to trash my tips... For the most part I pretend like I didn't hear them or be vague enough that they don't notice that i'm ignoring them...
sari

If I have a man who simply won't leave me alone I just take him aside and tell him very confidentially that I like girls. Works every time.

I would kill for utility bills like that...I pay at least double that...and I have a high tech furnace and a/c system.

I'm on the budget plan for utilities, and my electric bill is $162 and the gas bill is $160 year round.

[Lightstream]

HOme just now. rNo food yet but awake. Took a bit of a walk to shake the cobwebs out. and buy beer. I'm glad I have a backpack that will carry a sixpack. Beer first, cool down then find something quick to eat.

Memo to Lowepro and Domke:
Say uhh, when you guys coming out with the beer six pack inserts for the Computrekker AW and the F-802? If they could be insulated this would be even better.


I like that idea much better. I tend to rebel when someone tells me what I have to shoot. We had a nice show and tell the other night with images, which was fun and no stress. Let's do that again from time to time.


Yeah that sounds like a good idea.. free n easy! With room for everybody, all their styles and no need for 'assignments'. Archive shots are perfectly acceptable.


If I have a man who simply won't leave me alone I just take him aside and tell him very confidentially that I like girls. Works every time.



http://pix.lightrefineries.org/img/crackup.gifhttp://pix.lightrefineries.org/img/beat_deadhorse.gif http://pix.lightrefineries.org/img/beer.gif

BRILLIANT! Absolutely brilliant!! Owned!!*

* See urbandictionary.com - this may also help you decode what the kids at school are saying. Heck, even as someone not-too-far-removed from the teen generation (supposedly) sometimes I gotta check up on stuff myself..

[wu_wei0]

Memo to Lowepro and Domke:
Say uhh, when you guys coming out with the beer six pack inserts for the Computrekker AW and the F-802? If they could be insulated this would be even better.

Priorites, man! Take your walk with just one body and one lens. Cards and extra battery if needed in pocket. Hood worn as a bracelet. Switch the pens in your plastic pocket protecor out for your lens pen. Skooch your bag dividers over. Plop in the sixpack. (pay)
The padding acts as great insulation. Heck, even my baby Tamrac (expedition 3, I think) holds a nice bottle of wine or a decent sized bottle of Sapphire.

[Lightstream]

Priorites, man! Take your walk with just one body and one lens. Cards and extra battery if needed in pocket. Hood worn as a bracelet. Switch the pens in your plastic pocket protecor out for your lens pen. Skooch your bag dividers over. Plop in the sixpack. (pay)
The padding acts as great insulation. Heck, even my baby Tamrac (expedition 3, I think) holds a nice bottle of wine or a decent sized bottle of Sapphire.

Actually the existing stuff works just fine.. I just need to reserve the 'large' slot (for 100-400/70-200 2.8/1D) for the booze ;)

shhh, don't look now, but the tiny 724ISL will give me space in the bag for the drink :D

You should have seen my last expedition to the Great Ocean Road. Didn't leave home without the Jim Beam and Coke.. http://pix.lightrefineries.org/img/beer.gif

[wu_wei0]

Actually the existing stuff works just fine.. I just need to reserve the 'large' slot (for 100-400/70-200 2.8/1D) for the booze ;)

shhh, don't look now, but the tiny 724ISL will give me space in the bag for the drink :D

You should have seen my last expedition to the Great Ocean Road. Didn't leave home without the Jim Beam and Coke.. http://pix.lightrefineries.org/img/beer.gif

See! the bags are multipurpose!
I live in a tiny very conservative town. They accept me being in weird places to shoot photos but not buying booze. so I make do. When the kids come we stock up (several times). It never lasts even til they are gone though.

[Lightstream]

Of course! :D

The reason why I love my F-802 is that it is the general purpose Sack of all Trades, in my personal opinion, THE ultimate messenger bag, and I have been looking for a long time, almost as long as I've been a laptop owner (10+ years). I can even carry it into a corporate setting, place it underneath my desk and nobody realizes I am going off on a photo shoot once I clock off :D all of them think it is a nice laptop bag.. little do they know.

When actually used in that role (rarely), it will carry two 17" display laptops and their support gear (and break shoulders if you dare to load it that heavily). My actual laptop bag is this ratty old thing with way too many pockets and looks nowhere near as nice.

As for here.. I carry the Heineken keg openly.. big city, nobody cares ;) (the "real men" carry 3x24 can slabs at one go.. DAMN..)

http://pix.lightrefineries.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1526&g2_serialNumber=4

Try one.. fresh beer on tap, constant pressure, 30 days refrigerated life after opening (but dang it, what's beer if not cold).

[Woolburr]

Try one.. fresh beer on tap, constant pressure, 30 days refrigerated life after opening (but dang it, what's beer if not cold).

British? And nasty....nothing worse than warm beer.

[Lightstream]

British? And nasty....nothing worse than warm beer.


Ewww, sick.

No wonder I've been Americanized.. give me the good stuff any day :D



BTW.. this post is hilarious... (well, maybe less if you are Sari)
http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/showpost.php?p=2363596&postcount=7029

[saravrose]

Liza you crack me up!! and truly if I could pass for any kind of lesbian i'd try it.. unfortunately i'm a bit on the girly side and don't think that anyone would believe me.. But, the idea does hold a certain amount of appeal.. and just for the entertainment of it it would be tempting..

sari

[Permagrin]

Okay, just finished working out and now have to cook dinner...today I was supposed to clean but instead I tried to fix this photo (I like it, I'm just not sure it's salvageable)...would you please honestly tell me if any of them work? Thanks guys. I'll be back in a bit :)

original (no pp...it was dark and foggy, though the fog doesn't really show except to diffuse the light)
http://LC-images.smugmug.com/photos/115102169-M.jpg

this is more what it looked like to the eye: (but I'm not sure if the pp works)
http://LC-images.smugmug.com/photos/115254662-M.jpg

and this is the "forget it, lets just go for the effect"
http://LC-images.smugmug.com/photos/115267730-M.jpg

oh, and do you think the light in the center of this shot ruins it?
http://LC-images.smugmug.com/photos/115254787-M.jpg

[Permagrin]

Okay, I'm back. My husband just told me that he hates the pp :lol: :lol: so don't feel bad if you do. Guess I should have asked him first :)

Now I'm off to console myself in Starbucks :lol:

[Lightstream]

#1 is fine. Sometimes the camera can 'see' more acutely than we can given certain conditions. Some of my evening shots look like broad daylight until I crank the exposure comp down (the time you asked me, why -1/3rd.. pretty much that)

#2 doesn't work.

#3 works because it gives the impression that the light is the only source in the picture.

God, what would I give to sit down at a Starbucks with someone whose company I really value (need not even be someone I want to pick up.. just any of my coffee drinking crew will be just fine). Have headache, have coke, have ibuprofen - not a good substitute but we will make do.

[Permagrin]

#1 is fine. Sometimes the camera can 'see' more acutely than we can given certain conditions. Some of my evening shots look like broad daylight until I crank the exposure comp down (the time you asked me, why -1/3rd.. pretty much that)

#2 doesn't work.

#3 works because it gives the impression that the light is the only source in the picture.

God, what would I give to sit down at a Starbucks with someone whose company I really value (need not even be someone I want to pick up.. just any of my coffee drinking crew will be just fine). Have headache, have coke, have ibuprofen - not a good substitute but we will make do.

Yeah, I see where #2 doesn't work. One doesn't work for me...when I zoom it it appears sharp but the shadows make it seem blurry. I guess I'll just have to go re-shoot it under better circumstances.

Sorry about your headache! Take your ibu. and try to be peaceful today. I shouldn't be having starbucks, it's not on my diet but I decided to splurge ;)

[Lightstream]

Yes.. I've decided to take cover today, quickly do the essentials which have to be done and then take cover.

[Permagrin]

I think everyone is off having their "lives" tonight...it's QUIET around here...

[saravrose]

I'm here for a little while.. I do have to go to work first thing in the morning.. but due to my sleeping in this morning I could be awake for awhile..

sari

[Lightstream]

On a happier note, I fixed my tripod ballhead. The panning base had a VERY VERY annoying movement to it - ie. it moves even AFTER I lock the panning knob! And no amount of force would make it any better.

I was actually planning to take the ballhead back to my reseller next week and ask for a solution, but there's no need to do that now. Very happy. Turned out there were three small screws in the bottom - with torx heads (not the standard stuff!). Thank god for buying the Bit Kit for my multitool - I got 42 different bits to tackle any screw imaginable. And the ballhead is doing much better now after re-torquing the screws... yay for the cheap chinese ballheads ;)

Seriously.. if you folks want a very very decent $90 ballhead with a solid lockup and lightweight price, this is a good one..
http://cgi.ebay.com/Benro-KS-1-Ball-Head-Ballhead-fit-Gitzo-Manfrotto-K2B_W0QQitemZ200055456028QQihZ010QQcategoryZ30095Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

No affiliation to the ebay reseller. I bought it from the local camera shop. It's an Arca-Swiss workalike that costs a tiny fraction of what a real Arca would (20% of the real cost for 80% of the quality). The real Arca is a ~$450 piece of kit.. :shock:

I might upgrade to the Acratech UBH in the future ($290 with the rubberized main knob and detent locking pin that I want), but that day just got further away.

It'll even hold the 100-400 and 1D, which is the heaviest rig I currently operate. I bought it and spec'ed it originally for my Bigma, although the Bigma tends to challenge all but the highest end ballheads.

[saravrose]

good advice LS.. thanks I have been tempted with those...

[Permagrin]

the problem with my tripod is that it doesn't pan smoothly. It irritates me greatly. And it wasn't cheap...maybe I'm going to have to look for another head....

How was work today Sari? No more pick-ups?

[saravrose]

I pulled my 28-105 out of my bag this evening goofing around in my empty bar... I forgot how sharp and quiet it was... I haven't used it in months and now i'm thinking that I've been a bit unfair to it...

sari

[Lightstream]

Glad I could help... I was initially skeptical about these, but my reseller was instrumental in letting me play with them in person. They then smacked a Nikkor 300/2.8 (Noink lovers, they.. :p) with an oldschool metal pro body onto it at 45 degs just to show me it could take the weight.. methinks by the time I go 300/2.8 it will be with a gimbal setup anyway! (fat hope of that happening)

My legset is also a Benro, their A127n6 ($100) aluminium. The difference between the carbon fiber version and the aluminium version was 100-200 grams, hardly enough to make a meaningful difference. While I like PG's Velbon 530 CF with flip-lock legs, that's a $270 tripod.. costs more than my whole setup put together!

After these, I see no reason to bother with the Dynatran stuff.. their legsets weigh more than mine PLUS ballhead, and carry less weight to boot.

[Lightstream]

the problem with my tripod is that it doesn't pan smoothly. It irritates me greatly. And it wasn't cheap...maybe I'm going to have to look for another head....


What ballhead are you using? I am actually doing some research on the 1-4 combo.. if you have the $$, I suggest you go for the Acratech UBH ($280 my configuration), plus Wimberley Sidekick ($250). It's not cheap, but put that on your Velbon and you have my dream rig for the 1-4. The Sidekick's huge advantage is that it renders the entire lens + camera assembly virtually weightless.

If you have ever steered a 36 POUND Canon 1200/5.6 with two fingers, it is a *BLAST* and absolutely eloquent tribute to proper head engineering - it justifies the $500 price tag immediately.

[Permagrin]

What ballhead are you using? I am actually doing some research on the 1-4 combo.. if you have the $$, I suggest you go for the Acratech UBH ($280 my configuration), plus Wimberley Sidekick ($250). It's not cheap, but put that on your Velbon and you have my dream rig for the 1-4. The Sidekick's huge advantage is that it renders the entire lens + camera assembly virtually weightless.

If you have ever steered a 36 POUND Canon 1200/5.6 with two fingers, it is a *BLAST* and absolutely eloquent tribute to proper head engineering - it justifies the $500 price tag immediately.

I showed my husband that shot of the camera with the 1200...he thought it was wild.

[puddlepirate44]

I pulled my 28-105 out of my bag this evening goofing around in my empty bar... I forgot how sharp and quiet it was... I haven't used it in months and now i'm thinking that I've been a bit unfair to it...

sari

I love my 28-105. I, too, have been neglecting my relationship with it. Sometimes, in the night, I hear it weep, and I feel pretty bad. Lately there have been evidences of little jealous "cat fights" between my 28-105 and my 70-300 DO. I'm sure that this weekend, in order to make amends, I'll have to take my 28-105 out for coffee or a movie. It's best not to get on the bad side of a lens. They tend to be a little vindictive. Lenses that are jealous or bitter tend to make shots that are OOF or just soft. Perhaps they'll focus a little more loudly than usual, scaring the away the object of the shot. I've lost many a good photographic opportunities for the simple reason that I've taken the relationship that I have with a lens for granted.

That's it. I've slipped a cog. More Starbucks... :shock:

[Lightstream]

It is, absolutely ;)

At 1920mm magnification on a 1.6X crop, I couldn't even see the mast of the ship I was photographing with the naked eye. twas like a toothpick on the horizon.

[Lightstream]

I love my 28-105. I, too, have been neglecting my relationship with it. Sometimes, in the night, I hear it weep, and I feel pretty bad. Lately there have been evidences of little jealous "cat fights" between my 28-105 and my 70-300 DO. I'm sure that this weekend, in order to make amends, I'll have to take my 28-105 out for coffee or a movie. It's best not to get on the bad side of a lens. They tend to be a little vindictive. Lenses that are jealous or bitter tend to make shots that are OOF or just soft. Perhaps they'll focus a little more loudly than usual, scaring the away the object of the shot. I've lost many a good photographic opportunities for the simple reason that I've taken the relationship that I have with a lens for granted.

That's it. I've slipped a cog. More Starbucks... :shock:

:shock:

[puddlepirate44]

:shock:

The theory that the relationship that one has with one's lens directly influences the quality of the shot made with that same lens has been around for decades. Still in the early testing stages, it is still one of the best excuses of the "missed shot". Hence, the meaning behind the oft quoted phrase, "I think my lens hates me."

It makes more sense than the not oft quoted phrase, "Geez, I'm a goof with this camera stuff upon which I spent thousands of dollars."

[saravrose]

The theory that the relationship that one has with one's lens directly influences the quality of the shot made with that same lens has been around for decades. Still in the early testing stages, it is still one of the best excuses of the "missed shot". Hence, the meaning behind the oft quoted phrase, "I think my lens hates me."

It makes more sense than the not oft quoted phrase, "Geez, I'm a goof with this camera stuff upon which I spent thousands of dollars."

:lol: :lol: :lol: .. I hear ya there.. I do like that lens I loved it when I got it but somewhere between aquiring the L and my new Tammy it's been neglected.. but, I think I may have to work at spending some more time with it.. It's a really great focal legnth... and some of my favorite shots have been with it..

sari

[saravrose]

West Side Story is on t.v. I really need to go to sleep.... i've seen it atleast fifty times I suppose I can skip watching it tonight.. but I probably won't....

sari

[liza]

Liza you crack me up!! and truly if I could pass for any kind of lesbian i'd try it.. unfortunately i'm a bit on the girly side and don't think that anyone would believe me.. But, the idea does hold a certain amount of appeal.. and just for the entertainment of it it would be tempting..

sari

You'd be surprised how many very feminine women are lesbians. The masculine looking lesbian is a stereotype. I just figure doing it this way gives the guy an out, so he can save face.

The theory that the relationship that one has with one's lens directly influences the quality of the shot made with that same lens has been around for decades. Still in the early testing stages, it is still one of the best excuses of the "missed shot". Hence, the meaning behind the oft quoted phrase, "I think my lens hates me."

It makes more sense than the not oft quoted phrase, "Geez, I'm a goof with this camera stuff upon which I spent thousands of dollars."

I can totally identify with this. I'm one of those goofs who has spent thousands and still misses shots. :lol:

[puddlepirate44]

:lol: :lol: :lol: .. I hear ya there.. I do like that lens I loved it when I got it but somewhere between aquiring the L and my new Tammy it's been neglected.. but, I think I may have to work at spending some more time with it.. It's a really great focal legnth... and some of my favorite shots have been with it..

sari

The 28-105 is a good little lens. I used it as a "walkabout" lens in the city. I wish it was "faster", but then, I guess I'd have to use my wife's 24-105L for that.

[saravrose]

The 28-105 is a good little lens. I used it as a "walkabout" lens in the city. I wish it was "faster", but then, I guess I'd have to use my wife's 24-105L for that.

:lol: :lol: .. It's okay maybe someday you can have your own... I do wish it was faster as well..

sari

[PetKal]

Liza you crack me up!! and truly if I could pass for any kind of lesbian i'd try it.. unfortunately i'm a bit on the girly side and don't think that anyone would believe me.. But, the idea does hold a certain amount of appeal.. and just for the entertainment of it it would be tempting..

sari
Same here, I have always felt I was some sorta lesbian who had been irrevocably trapped in a man's body.:(

[puddlepirate44]

I can totally identify with this. I'm one of those goofs who has spent thousands and still misses shots. :lol:

I'm not nearly as good as you guys on this thread, but I still have moments where I think that my lenses are out to get me. I have often wondered if there is a conspiracy being formed in my camera bag amongst the lenses to ensure that I never get that coveted "Bird In Flight" shot, or to make sure that telephone pole in the middle of the composition stays invisible until after I trigger the shutter.

It has to be the lenses. I'm sure it can't be me.

[puddlepirate44]

Same here, I have always felt I was some sorta lesbian who had been irrevocably trapped in a man's body.:(

Yup. And I thought I was the confused one here. You win. :shock:

[Permagrin]

Same here, I have always felt I was some sorta lesbian who had been irrevocably trapped in a man's body.:(

Somebody needs to "explain" things to ya Peter...it's okay that you like women...

[saravrose]

You'd be surprised how many very feminine women are lesbians. The masculine looking lesbian is a stereotype. I just figure doing it this way gives the guy an out, so he can save face.
.

You are probably right I know about three lesbians and two only because I took photos of their children last summer...

Same here, I have always felt I was some sorta lesbian who had been irrevocably trapped in a man's body.:(

Poor Pete...I would feel bad for you.... but I don't think i'll bother right now.. ;)

[liza]

West Side Story is on t.v. I really need to go to sleep.... i've seen it atleast fifty times I suppose I can skip watching it tonight.. but I probably won't....

sari

I need to sleep, too, but I have more senior photos to process. I sold a large order today and am expecting at least a couple more before Xmas. I've got to get off my @ss and start marketing wedding photography before it's too late for the summer season.

[PetKal]

Yup. And I thought I was the confused one here. You win. :shock:
That's the only contest kind I seem to ever win.:rolleyes:

[saravrose]

I need to sleep, too, but I have more senior photos to process. I sold a large order today and am expecting at least a couple more before Xmas. I've got to get off my @ss and start marketing wedding photography before it's too late for the summer season.

I'm jealous of your portrait sessions.. I don't have any people to shoot up here and I didn't realize how much I liked it until I don't have that available anymore..

sari

[PetKal]

Somebody needs to "explain" things to ya Peter...it's okay that you like women...
Being a male lesbian and all that.....as long as liking other women does not make me gay, I suppose I can live with myself.;)

[Lightstream]

The 28-105 is a good little lens. I used it as a "walkabout" lens in the city. I wish it was "faster", but then, I guess I'd have to use my wife's 24-105L for that.

:lol: :lol: .. It's okay maybe someday you can have your own... I do wish it was faster as well..

sari

Actually, it is not that much faster.. 4.5 on the long end is just a third of a stop slower. The other lens has its moments.. but they're definitely not in speed..

If you can live without IS go for the 24-70, or have it all - 17-55/2.8 IS!!

I'm not nearly as good as you guys on this thread, but I still have moments where I think that my lenses are out to get me. I have often wondered if there is a conspiracy being formed in my camera bag amongst the lenses to ensure that I never get that coveted "Bird In Flight" shot, or to make sure that telephone pole in the middle of the composition stays invisible until after I trigger the shutter.

It has to be the lenses. I'm sure it can't be me.

Bird in flight.. you been looking at Calicokat's raptor too? :p

Somebody needs to "explain" things to ya Peter...it's okay that you like women...

It reminds me of the old joke...


This bum goes up to a very attractive woman in a bar (yeah, of course it has to be a bar) and starts chatting her up. The woman turns around and tells the bum "You do, of course know that I'm a lesbian."

And the bum (being a bum) goes "Whatcha mean by that?"

"Well," says the woman, "I prefer women. I like the way they move, the way they look, and I would go to bed with one but not with a guy."

The bum's eyes go wide :shock: and remarks "Well gee lady, I feel the same.. I think I must be a lesbian too!!"

[Permagrin]

Actually, it is not that much faster.. 4.5 on the long end is just a third of a stop slower. The other lens has its moments.. but they're definitely not in speed..

If you can live without IS go for the 24-70, or have it all - 17-55/2.8 IS!!



Bird in flight.. you been looking at Calicokat's raptor too? :p

He thought it was the other lens...4.5-5.6 but it's not. It's just that when I have my 24-105 on and he's got the 28-105, especially in low light, his has a harder time. We had the 24-70 but I sold it because he said he didn't want it. I think we are both regretting that sale now. I never used it but I think he would have liked it. This is the same man that said he didn't want the 1DMKIIN when I offered it to him. He always says he does photography for fun and "doesn't need" that gear. I've never known anyone who's such an anti-gear head....though he'll buy it for me so I'm not complaining.

And no, I don't think he's seen Cat's shots...but I've just been ranting about not getting a BIF shot for so long that it's run over I guess...

[Lightstream]

He thought it was the other lens...4.5-5.6 but it's not. It's just that when I have my 24-105 on and he's got the 28-105, especially in low light, his has a harder time. We had the 24-70 but I sold it because he said he didn't want it. I think we are both regretting that sale now. I never used it but I think he would have liked it. This is the same man that said he didn't want the 1DMKIIN when I offered it to him. He always says he does photography for fun and "doesn't need" that gear. I've never known anyone who's such an anti-gear head....though he'll buy it for me so I'm not complaining.

And no, I don't think he's seen Cat's shots...but I've just been ranting about not getting a BIF shot for so long that it's run over I guess...'

Yaknow the other day I was looking at a Sigma 24-70?

I THINK I know the reason behind the green and purple halation problem I experienced with 3 copies and I have a method to solve it. It's got something to do with my chosen test target not exactly being the best of all possible worlds.

Plus it's lighter than the Brick..


And be nice to him... get him something with IS or 2.8 or both ;)

[theflyingkiwi]

Same here, I have always felt I was some sorta lesbian who had been irrevocably trapped in a man's body.:(

You know there are operations that can fix that for ya. ;)

just in case if anyone is interested, I got a quote from canon yesterday. $ 558.74 to fix my 10D and my 28-135. It seems that canon is going to replace the IS and the AF on the lens and adjust the AF on the camera. $280 of that cost is labour :( but each is 3 years old so what can I do.

I just hope that it's all fixed with out any problems. one thing for sure is that I am going to be testing it out once I get it back.

[Lightstream]

You know you could actually get a new 350D and 18-55 for that price? *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge*

*runs away before Mark throws the 10D, 28-135 and Canon repair bill at him*
:mrgreen:

Sorry to hear about that.. hope they do manage to fix it however!

Did they break down the bill for you (camera and lens)? Beyond a certain point it might be worth investing in something better. $560 ain't cheap by any means of the imagination!

[saravrose]

You know there are operations that can fix that for ya. ;)

just in case if anyone is interested, I got a quote from canon yesterday. $ 558.74 to fix my 10D and my 28-135. It seems that canon is going to replace the IS and the AF on the lens and adjust the AF on the camera. $280 of that cost is labour :( but each is 3 years old so what can I do.

I just hope that it's all fixed with out any problems. one thing for sure is that I am going to be testing it out once I get it back.

yuck... i'm sooo sorry and I hope that it is in perfect condition when you get them back.... :cry:

[Permagrin]

Sari, anytime you come to Oregon, I'll take you to Bandon. It's a wonderful place to photograph...from the lighthouse to the harbor to the old town...actually most of the Oregon coast is like that...in one way or another...but Bandon is special.

[Lightstream]

Hmm.....just opened my 3rd party collar for the 70-200/4.

Powdercoat finish is not as nice as Canon's, but then again we are largely splitting hairs over here. It functions just fine, however, and the interior of the collar is lined with a nice felt-like material so as not to scratch the lens. My 100-400 collar has a little bit of felt and plastic inside, my Sigma collar is completely plastic lined. The 3rd party f/4L collar is completely felt.

My opinion of stuff from the Far East is that they typically get 80% of the quality, but at lower cost. This is quite OK in most circumstances because the large increase in cost is the remaining 20% of the performance or quality. (Pareto principle for those who are familiar with it). Wish it was 80% quality 20% of the cost though :D

CAN'T WAIT.. counting down the days.....

Can I come to Oregon too? :D

[saravrose]

Sari, anytime you come to Oregon, I'll take you to Bandon. It's a wonderful place to photograph...from the lighthouse to the harbor to the old town...actually most of the Oregon coast is like that...in one way or another...but Bandon is special.

sometime.. definately before Africa and before I move away from this area completely.. How far away from Portland is it?..

sari

[theflyingkiwi]

You know you could actually get a new 350D and 18-55 for that price? *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge*

*runs away before Mark throws the 10D, 28-135 and Canon repair bill at him*
:mrgreen:

Sorry to hear about that.. hope they do manage to fix it however!

Did they break down the bill for you (camera and lens)? Beyond a certain point it might be worth investing in something better. $560 ain't cheap by any means of the imagination!

what go from a 350D from a 10, what ya crazy, that's like going from something to something not that good :) yep I am on the ball at the moment.

Image stabilizer $76
auto focus usm $135. <- seems strange since it's longest focus length is the same number
labour $280
freight $5.5

yuck... i'm sooo sorry and I hope that it is in perfect condition when you get them back.... :cry:

thanks everyone. it's not the best time of year. I have even brought a couple of presents for myself, ohh well. it's only money.

a new camera will cost to much and I am waiting to see what comes out next year. as for the lens, to get the same thing will cost $900

[Permagrin]

Hmm.....just opened my 3rd party collar for the 70-200/4.

Powdercoat finish is not as nice as Canon's, but then again we are largely splitting hairs over here. It functions just fine, however, and the interior of the collar is lined with a nice felt-like material so as not to scratch the lens. My 100-400 collar has a little bit of felt and plastic inside, my Sigma collar is completely plastic lined. The 3rd party f/4L collar is completely felt.

My opinion of stuff from the Far East is that they typically get 80% of the quality, but at lower cost. This is quite OK in most circumstances because the large increase in cost is the remaining 20% of the performance or quality. (Pareto principle for those who are familiar with it). Wish it was 80% quality 20% of the cost though :D

CAN'T WAIT.. counting down the days.....

Can I come to Oregon too? :D

Puddle says we'd be happy to have your company...and we'll show you around Oregon too.

[Lightstream]

what go from a 350D from a 10, what ya crazy, that's like going from something to something not that good :) yep I am on the ball at the moment.

Image stabilizer $76
auto focus usm $135. <- seems strange since it's longest focus length is the same number
labour $280
freight $5.5


OHH! I KNOW! For that price you could buy a Noink D40!!

(now I'm really gonna get burned at the stake for blasphemy ;) )

Yeah.. it sucks that labor is so expensive but then again I guess that is what writes us our paychecks that let us buy gear too. It seems fairly reasonable broken down that way. Funny coincidence with your repair bill and the AF too!


thanks everyone. it's not the best time of year. I have even brought a couple of presents for myself, ohh well. it's only money.

a new camera will cost to much and I am waiting to see what comes out next year. as for the lens, to get the same thing will cost $900

Yup.. hang in there and I hope things get better for you. :)

[Lightstream]

Puddle says we'd be happy to have your company...and we'll show you around Oregon too.

Puddle says!!! What about YOU!!! :p :p :P

Just messin' with ya.. I know you folks are cool :)

Wish I could travel further than my usual routes, but most likely will not be able to make it that far in the near future.

[saravrose]

Hmm.....just opened my 3rd party collar for the 70-200/4.

Powdercoat finish is not as nice as Canon's, but then again we are largely splitting hairs over here. It functions just fine, however, and the interior of the collar is lined with a nice felt-like material so as not to scratch the lens. My 100-400 collar has a little bit of felt and plastic inside, my Sigma collar is completely plastic lined. The 3rd party f/4L collar is completely felt.

My opinion of stuff from the Far East is that they typically get 80% of the quality, but at lower cost. This is quite OK in most circumstances because the large increase in cost is the remaining 20% of the performance or quality. (Pareto principle for those who are familiar with it). Wish it was 80% quality 20% of the cost though :D

CAN'T WAIT.. counting down the days.....

Can I come to Oregon too? :D

we can have a meet with Puddle and Perma... where are you at?..

[Permagrin]

sometime.. definately before Africa and before I move away from this area completely.. How far away from Portland is it?..

sari

We're about an hour and a half away from Portland. And Bandon is 3 hrs from here. But an overnighter down in the Coos Bay area (just north of Bandon) would be fun...it's close to Bandon, there are lots of beaches and things to photograph.

[Permagrin]

Puddle says!!! What about YOU!!! :p :p :P

Just messin' with ya.. I know you folks are cool :)

Wish I could travel further than my usual routes, but most likely will not be able to make it that far in the near future.

Well of course you already know it's fine with me....

[saravrose]

We're about an hour and a half away from Portland. And Bandon is 3 hrs from here. But an overnighter down in the Coos Bay area (just north of Bandon) would be fun...it's close to Bandon, there are lots of beaches and things to photograph.

I could do a three or four day trip in that direction... how much fun!! lets plot something for after the winter carnival here.. McCall dies down to an extreme degree in Feb. and I should have some extra time.. and I'm sure the oregon coast will be warmer than here and by then I'll be going crazy to get out of the snow...

sari

[Permagrin]

Hey Sari, how's Ansel?

[liza]

I'm jealous of your portrait sessions.. I don't have any people to shoot up here and I didn't realize how much I liked it until I don't have that available anymore..
sari

I rather enjoy it. This year I tried to personalize each session in some way. The kids loved it, and I got oodles of bookings just by word of mouth. My Space has proven to be a great, free advertising tool as well. My page is all about senior portraiture. I don't know how I'd keep up if I advertised. I may put up a display at graduation next to the table where my friend and I sell the senior video, trade some sports shots for advertising, and maybe even put some flyers on bulletin boards at school. Now that the word is out, I really don't have to do much, as this is an extremely small town.

Actually, it is not that much faster.. 4.5 on the long end is just a third of a stop slower. The other lens has its moments.. but they're definitely not in speed..

If you can live without IS go for the 24-70, or have it all - 17-55/2.8 IS!!


I can't decide if I want the 17-55 or the 24-70. I'll probably go for a good, used copy of the 24-70, though, since my eventual goal is a full frame body. And I know if I want a good one, all I have to do is ask Ronald. :)

Sari, anytime you come to Oregon, I'll take you to Bandon. It's a wonderful place to photograph...from the lighthouse to the harbor to the old town...actually most of the Oregon coast is like that...in one way or another...but Bandon is special.

My sister lives in Portland, Permie. I've heard it's absolutely beautiful there.

[Permagrin]

I could do a three or four day trip in that direction... how much fun!! lets plot something for after the winter carnival here.. McCall dies down to an extreme degree in Feb. and I should have some extra time.. and I'm sure the oregon coast will be warmer than here and by then I'll be going crazy to get out of the snow...

sari

Remind me to show you photos of icicles on the cliff faces of the coast...frozen salt water (no joke...and salt water is very hard to freeze). It gets cold there but it's a much different type of cold. Wet...windy and freezing. I think we're planning on a Calif. trip in late March or April but before that is good. It's a date!

[saravrose]

Hey Sari, how's Ansel?

living next door... :( :( :( .. I knew I was allergic a few days after I got him and figured it would be a great initiative to keep my house all vacumed up constantly but then what was just water eyes and a stuffy nose was getting woken up with asthma attacks.. so My buddy Jason took him for me. I still see him every other day I just couldn't keep him... Now, it looks like I have to add cute kitties to my list of annoying allergies... I haven't brought it up cause I was completely depressed.. not just cause I had to give him away but because dammit!! I like cats.. I really do and I went years and years as a kid without being allergic to them I truly thought it would be okay.. it seems like the older I get the sicker I get... just not fair...:evil:

sari

[Permagrin]

My sister lives in Portland, Permie. I've heard it's absolutely beautiful there.

I keep telling you that you should come out. I prefer the coast to the city, but I'll never leave Oregon. We have every type of climate from rainforest to desert...it's a microcosm of the world in one place.

[theflyingkiwi]

I can't decide if I want the 17-55 or the 24-70. I'll probably go for a good, used copy of the 24-70, though, since my eventual goal is a full frame body. And I know if I want a good one, all I have to do is ask Ronald. :)

personally myself I would be going for the 24-70. I do plan to upgrade to this lens once money permits. in replacing the 28-135. I don't use IS that offen. I consider the 2.8 of more vaule than the 105.

and on a crop camera the lens will rock for portraits :)

[Permagrin]

living next door... :( :( :( .. I knew I was allergic a few days after I got him and figured it would be a great initiative to keep my house all vacumed up constantly but then what was just water eyes and a stuffy nose was getting woken up with asthma attacks.. so My buddy Jason took him for me. I still see him every other day I just couldn't keep him... Now, it looks like I have to add cute kitties to my list of annoying allergies... I haven't brought it up cause I was completely depressed.. not just cause I had to give him away but because dammit!! I like cats.. I really do and I went years and years as a kid without being allergic to them I truly thought it would be okay.. it seems like the older I get the sicker I get... just not fair...:evil:

sari

I'm really sorry to hear it. I can understand how depressing that would be!
Maybe someday you can take allergy shots for your cat allergies. I've heard it helps. BTW, I have 4 cats. 2 indoor, 2 outdoor...do you have allergy medicine at all?

[liza]

I keep telling you that you should come out. I prefer the coast to the city, but I'll never leave Oregon. We have every type of climate from rainforest to desert...it's a microcosm of the world in one place.

If time and money permitted me to do so, I definitely would. Travel is out of the question right now, though. :(

[saravrose]

I keep telling you that you should come out. I prefer the coast to the city, but I'll never leave Oregon. We have every type of climate from rainforest to desert...it's a microcosm of the world in one place.

very similar to Idaho we do live in an incredible little corner of the world.. I can't imagine me settling anywhere else.. Ofcourse I plan on moving around until i'm ready to settle down...

sari

[theflyingkiwi]

living next door... :( :( :( .. I knew I was allergic a few days after I got him and figured it would be a great initiative to keep my house all vacumed up constantly but then what was just water eyes and a stuffy nose was getting woken up with asthma attacks.. so My buddy Jason took him for me. I still see him every other day I just couldn't keep him... Now, it looks like I have to add cute kitties to my list of annoying allergies... I haven't brought it up cause I was completely depressed.. not just cause I had to give him away but because dammit!! I like cats.. I really do and I went years and years as a kid without being allergic to them I truly thought it would be okay.. it seems like the older I get the sicker I get... just not fair...:evil:

sari

that's not nice :( at least you can still see him. perhaps you should get some gold fish. they are really cool to photograph :)

sure they can't cuddle up with ya on a cold day and you wont be allergic to them.

http://www.cuthbert.net.nz/nature/2004/IMG_0754.JPG

taken at iso800 :)

[liza]

personally myself I would be going for the 24-70. I do plan to upgrade to this lens once money permits. in replacing the 28-135. I don't use IS that offen. I consider the 2.8 of more vaule than the 105.

and on a crop camera the lens will rock for portraits :)

I rarely use wide angle, and the IS on lenses with shorter focal lengths is kind of overrated, IMO. I've heard so many good things about the 17-55, but the EF-S will probably be the thing that deters me from buying it. The guys in the G&N forum seem to use the 24-70 when they aren't using primes for portrait shots. If it's good enough for them, then it's good enough for me. :D