Red-Ringed Tupperware Party with (ineffective) Tin Foil Hats

[Permagrin]

If time and money permitted me to do so, I definitely would. Travel is out of the question right now, though. :(

Well, we'll be here, whenever the time happens...it'll just be something to look forward to.

very similar to Idaho we do live in an incredible little corner of the world.. I can't imagine me settling anywhere else.. Ofcourse I plan on moving around until i'm ready to settle down...

sari

I love Oregon but I wish I'd seen the world before I settled down. Puddle was in the military so he saw a lot of the US but I never actually left Oregon once I got here.

personally myself I would be going for the 24-70. I do plan to upgrade to this lens once money permits. in replacing the 28-135. I don't use IS that offen. I consider the 2.8 of more vaule than the 105.

and on a crop camera the lens will rock for portraits :)

I liked the 24-70 but didn't use the 2.8 enough to compensate for the lack of range...I really use the whole scope of the 24-105...

[saravrose]

I'm really sorry to hear it. I can understand how depressing that would be!
Maybe someday you can take allergy shots for your cat allergies. I've heard it helps. BTW, I have 4 cats. 2 indoor, 2 outdoor...do you have allergy medicine at all?

it depends I can take the over the counter stuff and that gets rid of everything but my asthma symptoms which my flovent can take care of.. to a point, but I still have attacks which are more annoying and inconvenient.. I was fine with ansel living with me I just couldn't keep him off my bed and I woke up in pretty bad shape a few times.. But I have problems no matter where I'm at. I don't plot my life around my maybe having an attack. If I do I have meds I know what my limits are what I can deal with, what will just annoy me and what will send me to the ER.. and even if I do end up going to the hospital it's a routine that isn't nearly as dramatic for me as it is for those around me... I almost feel worse to whoever gets stuck in the waiting room or sitting with me for hours then for myself..

sari

[liza]

I wish they made a 24-105 in 2.8, but I imagine it would be a heavy bugger. With all the low light stuff I do, I just don't want a lens slower than that.

[saravrose]

I wish they made a 24-105 in 2.8, but I imagine it would be a heavy bugger. With all the low light stuff I do, I just don't want a lens slower than that.

it would probably be heavier than Maureen's 85mm 1.2 which she says is a monster to carry around..

[Lightstream]

I wish they made a 24-105 in 2.8, but I imagine it would be a heavy bugger. With all the low light stuff I do, I just don't want a lens slower than that.


I'm waiting for that too.. 24-105 2.8 ISL.. :)

I might opt to carry it despite the weight too, because this is one lens I'd actually use enough to warrant the weight, cost, and size. Then keep the 24-105 as lightweight walkaround. My impression is that such a beast might be 70-200 2.8 size...

[Permagrin]

I wish they made a 24-105 in 2.8, but I imagine it would be a heavy bugger. With all the low light stuff I do, I just don't want a lens slower than that.

True it probably would be huge, if I was shooting portraits mainly, or fast action, I probably would have kept the other lens. And I would have kept the 70-200 f/2.8 (I'm still sorry I sold that one but it was also a "heavy bugger") too.

And Sari, I'm no stranger to an E.R. (remember I'm accident prone) so no worries there ;)
I don't blame you for not planning your life around it. I've got things I deal with that I don't plan my life around either.

[saravrose]

My parents did enough of that crap for me.. I was pretty much over the 'she mights' by the time I was thirteen.... wanna hear something embarrassing?... I don't know how to ride a bike... (wasn't allowed).. and it seems like the older I get the more I just decide to forget it and worry if something comes up and not dwell on what might happen.. i've discovered i'm a lot tougher than I get credit for.. and the more I try I may not do soo great the first time around but It makes the next experience just that much easier... next up... Africa.

sari

[Lightstream]

True it probably would be huge, if I was shooting portraits mainly, or fast action, I probably would have kept the other lens. And I would have kept the 70-200 f/2.8 (I'm still sorry I sold that one but it was also a "heavy bugger") too.


Oi ;) don't make me change my mind now ;)

Are you getting the f4L version for the days you don't want to pack the 1-4?

we can have a meet with Puddle and Perma... where are you at?..

Currently in Australia. Other End of the World. As you can imagine, it is fairly far away

I rather enjoy it. This year I tried to personalize each session in some way. The kids loved it, and I got oodles of bookings just by word of mouth. My Space has proven to be a great, free advertising tool as well. My page is all about senior portraiture. I don't know how I'd keep up if I advertised. I may put up a display at graduation next to the table where my friend and I sell the senior video, trade some sports shots for advertising, and maybe even put some flyers on bulletin boards at school. Now that the word is out, I really don't have to do much, as this is an extremely small town.

I can't decide if I want the 17-55 or the 24-70. I'll probably go for a good, used copy of the 24-70, though, since my eventual goal is a full frame body. And I know if I want a good one, all I have to do is ask Ronald.

Actually, I just realized that Myspace may have been the best possible place for you to advertise to HS seniors. You use the same media they do, which makes you 'one of them', then they'll all add you to their buddy lists, and when the question of "Who's gonna take the photos" comes up the answer is already there and waiting. Of course you don't need to sink to the same level of depravity as some of the stuff I see on Myspace though

How soon do you plan to move up to full frame? If it is still a year or two off, you could have a blast with the 17-55. At the same time, you mentioned to me that your requirements don't need the wide end as much (mine do.. can't live without my 17 whether on crop or FF), but definitely need the aperture so the 24-70/2.8 may be the best bet for you anyway. The 24-70's strengths are in portraiture, weddings, and flash work.

[Permagrin]

My parents did enough of that crap for me.. I was pretty much over the 'she mights' by the time I was thirteen.... wanna hear something embarrassing?... I don't know how to ride a bike... (wasn't allowed).. and it seems like the older I get the more I just decide to forget it and worry if something comes up and not dwell on what might happen.. i've discovered i'm a lot tougher than I get credit for.. and the more I try I may not do soo great the first time around but It makes the next experience just that much easier... next up... Africa.

sari

That sounds like a plan! You're never too old to start!
(and, this is a true story, I learned how to ride a bike when I was 30...so you've still got time! My husband bought me a bike, took me to a parking lot (this is so embarrassing) and there I was with my helmet and my bike and I crashed into parking bumpers and rode off curbs...fell into the street...my children thought it was hysterical as well....I was a child who was also "over protected"...so there are a lot of things that I never did until I became an adult...)

[Permagrin]

Yes, Lightstream, in the spring I'm going to make a choice btw. 4 lenses:
85 1.2
50 1.2
400 5.6
70-200 f4 IS....

I can't decide which one would be more valuable to me so I'm waiting (plus I'm still paying off that exercise gear...on which I kill myself every other day and wonder WHY I AM DOING IT!)

[Lightstream]

Yes, Lightstream, in the spring I'm going to make a choice btw. 4 lenses:
85 1.2
50 1.2
400 5.6
70-200 f4 IS....

I can't decide which one would be more valuable to me so I'm waiting (plus I'm still paying off that exercise gear...on which I kill myself every other day and wonder WHY I AM DOING IT!)

85 1.2 - watch out people
50 1.2 - watch out world
400 5.6 - watch out birds
70-200 f4 IS.... - watch out!! :p


Hmm.....

Lazy ass that I am, I decided to walk the mile to the post office to pick up the collar instead of driving, I feel good.. http://pix.lightrefineries.org/img/dance.gif

[saravrose]

That sounds like a plan! You're never too old to start!
(and, this is a true story, I learned how to ride a bike when I was 30...so you've still got time! My husband bought me a bike, took me to a parking lot (this is so embarrassing) and there I was with my helmet and my bike and I crashed into parking bumpers and rode off curbs...fell into the street...my children thought it was hysterical as well....I was a child who was also "over protected"...so there are a lot of things that I never did until I became an adult...)

my boyfriend in highschool tried to talk me into learning... we even got to the empty parking lot before I wimped out.... it just seemed sooo akward and there wasn't much of a point anymore... Ofcourse now I wish that I had gotten on the dang bike at fifteen :rolleyes: ..

[Permagrin]

http://pix.lightrefineries.org/img/dance.gif

OH I LOVE that smilie!!

[theflyingkiwi]

How soon do you plan to move up to full frame? If it is still a year or two off, you could have a blast with the 17-55. At the same time, you mentioned to me that your requirements don't need the wide end as much (mine do.. can't live without my 17 whether on crop or FF), but definitely need the aperture so the 24-70/2.8 may be the best bet for you anyway. The 24-70's strengths are in portraiture, weddings, and flash work.

You never know, but canon might release a cheaper full frame next year? by that time the 5D might be up for refresh. it might even be weather sealed, which isn't a biggie for indoors work, but working outside etc it would be good.

However it's hard to tell at this stage. I mean there are some out there that use the 70-200 F2.8 for portrait work. it comes down to own style of work. EF-S isn't going to be any good going full frame.

Don't worrie Sari, there was a number of things I could do when I was kid. skateboard was one, roller blades is another. I don't see it has something I have to do. I can live with out. I would rather spend time learning more important things.

[saravrose]

time for bed for me y'all.. if I go to bed right now i'll get five hours... goodnight!!..

sari

[Lightstream]

OH I LOVE that smilie!!

YEAP :)

Sneak preview before I use it on new lens next week :D

Actually come to think of it, I used to commute on a mountain bike all the time. For 3 years. Rain or shine. (water makes interesting splatter patterns. Don't ask me how I know..) Uphill and downhill too.. bloody hills.

I averaged 75km a week (nearly 50mi). And I could eat ANYTHING and EVERYTHING I wanted, in any quantity, no matter how sinful, and the weight would just absolutely fall off me like oil off a nonstick pan.

[Permagrin]

NO no...we've all got it wrong...we're supposed to say "I don't skateboard well..." (because I can get on my son's skateboard...and go down the street on it...but I usually crash or run into an on-coming car....did I mention to any of you that as an adult, I actually was standing still in a parking lot and was hit by a car??...did I mention I was accident prone?)

so, from now on we just say..."well, not well anyway"...when asked if we can do something. Because I guarantee I can sky dive. How I land, of course, is another matter!

[Lightstream]

You never know, but canon might release a cheaper full frame next year? by that time the 5D might be up for refresh. it might even be weather sealed, which isn't a biggie for indoors work, but working outside etc it would be good.

However it's hard to tell at this stage. I mean there are some out there that use the 70-200 F2.8 for portrait work. it comes down to own style of work. EF-S isn't going to be any good going full frame.


While my general rule for technology is live for today, to heck with tomorrow, you've got some very good points. I never expected to move FF, when I built my EF-S system (at one point I owned every EF-S lens in production!), affordable full frame was still a dream - back then it meant 1Ds!

Never dreamed Canon would one day show up with the 5D. I did sell the system at minimal losses but if you KNOW it is on your workplan and can give yourself a timeframe, then it probably makes sense to plan for a FF future. I planned to stay EF-S, actually.

The 5D's replacement won't instantly obsolete my camera, but I would be very interested in seeing what they have to offer. Weather sealing would complement my lenses nicely.

45-point Area AF and 5fps and I can sell my 1Dinosaur ;)

[Lightstream]

so, from now on we just say..."well, not well anyway"...when asked if we can do something. Because I guarantee I can sky dive. How I land, of course, is another matter!


Should'a stuck to your old name. Peregrins soar, I don't know about grins though :p

[theflyingkiwi]

NO no...we've all got it wrong...we're supposed to say "I don't skateboard well..." (because I can get on my son's skateboard...and go down the street on it...but I usually crash or run into an on-coming car....did I mention to any of you that as an adult, I actually was standing still in a parking lot and was hit by a car??...did I mention I was accident prone?)

so, from now on we just say..."well, not well anyway"...when asked if we can do something. Because I guarantee I can sky dive. How I land, of course, is another matter!

well I don't sound as accident prone as you, but I was hit by a car while waiting to cross the road. nothing really major and I didn't fall on the ground. but the strange thing was I was standing by the car as the driver got in to it. somehow the women forgot I was there.

I bike to work, which takes me the same amount of time to drive. anyway again some idiot didn't see me and pulled out in font. by the time I hit the car, everyone was slow enough for no damage. However my pedal did hit the front corner of his car and his bumper came clean off. as for me no damage :)

night sari

[Permagrin]

Night Sari!

Should'a stuck to your old name. Peregrins soar, I don't know about grins though :p

:p



Think I'll head off for a hot bath...ttfn ;)

[liza]

I'm waiting for that too.. 24-105 2.8 ISL.. :)

I might opt to carry it despite the weight too, because this is one lens I'd actually use enough to warrant the weight, cost, and size. Then keep the 24-105 as lightweight walkaround. My impression is that such a beast might be 70-200 2.8 size...

If Canon found a way to make it lighter, they'd sell millions of them. That, to me, would be the perfect lens.

True it probably would be huge, if I was shooting portraits mainly, or fast action, I probably would have kept the other lens. And I would have kept the 70-200 f/2.8 (I'm still sorry I sold that one but it was also a "heavy bugger") too.


I'd like to have the 2.8 version of the 70-200, but now I have the Sigma at work. It's pretty similar and is just as heavy. I just don't have much use for f/4 lenses, although I keep my 70-200 f/4 for outdoor senior pics and spring sports.


Actually, I just realized that Myspace may have been the best possible place for you to advertise to HS seniors. You use the same media they do, which makes you 'one of them', then they'll all add you to their buddy lists, and when the question of "Who's gonna take the photos" comes up the answer is already there and waiting. Of course you don't need to sink to the same level of depravity as some of the stuff I see on Myspace though

How soon do you plan to move up to full frame? If it is still a year or two off, you could have a blast with the 17-55. At the same time, you mentioned to me that your requirements don't need the wide end as much (mine do.. can't live without my 17 whether on crop or FF), but definitely need the aperture so the 24-70/2.8 may be the best bet for you anyway. The 24-70's strengths are in portraiture, weddings, and flash work.


Hmm. Don't know what pages you're looking at, but I've not seen much in the way of depravity there. Most of my contacts are either kids or other photographers. Check out my page (link below) and you'll see how I'm marketing my stuff.

I'm not sure how soon I'll do the full frame thing. I wouldn't mind getting a 5D for weddings after I upgrade my computer system. My dream camera is the 1D MkIIN, though. God, I want one of them! Could you imagine the sports shots I'd get with that thing?

[Lightstream]

If Canon found a way to make it lighter, they'd sell millions of them. That, to me, would be the perfect lens.

I'd like to have the 2.8 version of the 70-200, but now I have the Sigma at work. It's pretty similar and is just as heavy. I just don't have much use for f/4 lenses, although I keep my 70-200 f/4 for outdoor senior pics and spring sports.

Hmm. Don't know what pages you're looking at, but I've not seen much in the way of depravity there. Most of my contacts are either kids or other photographers. Check out my page (link below) and you'll see how I'm marketing my stuff.

I'm not sure how soon I'll do the full frame thing. I wouldn't mind getting a 5D for weddings after I upgrade my computer system. My dream camera is the 1D MkIIN, though. God, I want one of them! Could you imagine the sports shots I'd get with that thing?

Oh, I've seen some truly crazy blogs and stuff.. myspace is huge, depends where you look or accidentally click, and of course I don't have examples because their rantings are not something I want to remember! :D

I was gonna suggest the 1Dinosaur to you.. actually this is hardly "Dino", since it was in production till 2004. 45 point AreaAF and 8fps with their legendary AI Servo still takes every other non-1-series Canon DSLR out for a ride. Shutter release is crisp and clean and SO MUCH faster with greatly reduced finder blackout. In the hands of a klutz like me, I've gotten horse jumping photos with the horses frozen just at the perfect moment as they go over the jumps.. the folks I'm shooting for are thrilled. In your hands.. I'm sure we would all be utterly blown away :)

The 8fps was useful. I don't chaingun it either (because of reduced buffer), I fire controlled bursts of 2 or 3 shots while timing it. I have discovered smaller horses jump FAST - they can actually take off and land between the 5D's 3fps, so you never get shots where it really is airborne. 1D changed all of that.

My 1D thread seems to have inspired its own cult following too. I got mine for less than the price of a 30D.
http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=222957

One of the drawbacks of the 1D is poorer high ISO performance, you have to spend a bit of time denoising it. The other drawback is poor in-camera JPEG but even for Lazy JPEG Shooters like me, the solution is simple. Given your RAW workflow it won't even slow you down. I shoot RAW and then use DPP to finish the job and the shots come out looking like my 5D :mrgreen:

RAW is easy to manage too, the RAWs of the 1D are the same size as 5D JPEGs (~3MB). A 2GB card is plenty of ammo. Is 4MP OK for what you do?

Battery life is the last downside, but third party packs are $29.95 each and the NP-E2 charger is awesome because you can charge TWO packs simultaneously. Nevertheless, with a two battery setup and the Sigma 70-200, I can fire ~400 shots on one battery before changing out, and this is with AI Servo tracking my subject. Third-party packs have somewhat more capacity as they use modern NiMH cells.

OTOH the 5D is breathtaking as well. Get one and you'll realize why PG and I have to have our paws PRIED away from ours :D

[Woolburr]

I see the conversation has kept flowing.

[Lightstream]

Welcome back Wool.. it has missed your guidance though :p

[theflyingkiwi]

and notice the topic is about cameras again :)

[Woolburr]

I've been here for about 45 minutes....took me that long to catch up...amazing...actual photography discussion....I can hardly stand it!

[Woolburr]

Things got a wee bit warm in my neighborhood...slight forest fire....took out a few homes.
http://www.pbase.com/woolburr/image/71314323.jpg

[theflyingkiwi]

that doesn't look good. I hope it doesn't get any closer

[liza]

The 5D would be a wise move for me from a business standpoint. Not as much PP and all around better images for a reasonable price. Still, I'd like to have a faster camera for sports.

[Woolburr]

They actually have it contained now....the wind died down at sunset...gave them the break they needed....had 3 helicopters dropping retardant and water, with a crew of about 250 on the ground. Long day for some of the guys...started just after 7 this morning...started releasing fire crews around midnight.

[Lightstream]

I've been here for about 45 minutes....took me that long to catch up...amazing...actual photography discussion....I can hardly stand it!

Yes master.. occasionally some of your underlings come up a coherent thought when your illustrious presence is not here... :D

Hey, any familiarity with the gimbal tripod mounts for lenses?

The 5D would be a wise move for me from a business standpoint. Not as much PP and all around better images for a reasonable price. Still, I'd like to have a faster camera for sports.

Yup.. the 5D is pretty sweet, you can get ready-to-use results out of it quite often, I do. If Canon follows the 18 month cycle, the 5D may be replaced early next year. Mine will most certainly NOT be on the used market though :D

[theflyingkiwi]

The 5D would be a wise move for me from a business standpoint. Not as much PP and all around better images for a reasonable price. Still, I'd like to have a faster camera for sports.

Just beware, some people have had problems with image quality, with the camera sometimes out doing the lens. I hurd the same thing from those that use the 1Ds series cameras. You might end up spending more on lens. eeek.

They actually have it contained now....the wind died down at sunset...gave them the break they needed....had 3 helicopters dropping retardant and water, with a crew of about 250 on the ground. Long day for some of the guys...started just after 7 this morning...started releasing fire crews around midnight.

that's good. Australia gets a lot of fires which we see on the news each summer. we offen get some small ones, but nothing major. still most of them are caused by those who have nothing better to do :(

[Woolburr]

Yes master.. occasionally some of your underlings come up a coherent thought when your illustrious presence is not here... :D

Hey, any familiarity with the gimbal tripod mounts for lenses?


Other than playing with a 600 on a Wimberley....no. I'm not big on birds...and don't really have a need for a birding lens or set-up.

[Lightstream]

Just beware, some people have had problems with image quality, with the camera sometimes out doing the lens. I hurd the same thing from those that use the 1Ds series cameras. You might end up spending more on lens. eeek.


That is true :D But her L's and primes should be just fine. Prime lenses have IQ to spare and that is one of the nice things about them. Even the 50, I shot my 50/1.8 for a while and it was pretty decent.

Long lenses are not so long all of a sudden though - that is one of the disadvantages. You can do a 'digital 1.3X' crop and get essentially what is functionally equivalent to a 1DM2N image, 8MP with 1.3X magnification ratio, because the CMOS detectors are the same physical size.

[Woolburr]

that's good. Australia gets a lot of fires which we see on the news each summer. we offen get some small ones, but nothing major. still most of them are caused by those who have nothing better to do :(

I spent 20+ years tracking down and arresting those very people. Business was good.:(

[Permagrin]

Just beware, some people have had problems with image quality, with the camera sometimes out doing the lens. I hurd the same thing from those that use the 1Ds series cameras. You might end up spending more on lens. eeek.


It's true! It doesn't do well with a lot of lenses....someone here (can't remember who) said that it accentuates the flaws in the cheaper lenses....though my 70-300 DO IS (one of my all time favorite lenses) was NOT cheap and still doesn't do as well on the 5D as it did on every other camera I've had. But all the lenses I currrently own, do just fine, including the Tamron macro and almost all my husband's lenses work w/it as well.

And Lightstream, those sunset photos I took yesterday, they were all with the tamron. It happened to be in my bag and it was the only thing other than the 1-4 that I had with me...it's a great lens.

Wow Wool, was your house in danger? That's too bad about the other peoples houses. Was anyone hurt?

[Woolburr]

No danger to my house...the fire was actually just across the river from me...The best news is there were no casualties of the human or domestic nature...still haven't heard the total damage on the property.

[Woolburr]

Hey Yoda....weighed my backpack today....26.3 pounds.

[Lightstream]

It's true! It doesn't do well with a lot of lenses....someone here (can't remember who) said that it accentuates the flaws in the cheaper lenses....though my 70-300 DO IS (one of my all time favorite lenses) was NOT cheap and still doesn't do as well on the 5D as it did on every other camera I've had. But all the lenses I currrently own, do just fine, including the Tamron macro and almost all my husband's lenses work w/it as well.

And Lightstream, those sunset photos I took yesterday, they were all with the tamron. It happened to be in my bag and it was the only thing other than the 1-4 that I had with me...it's a great lens.

Wow Wool, was your house in danger? That's too bad about the other peoples houses. Was anyone hurt?


eeeeew Tamron. http://pix.lightrefineries.org/img/nana.gif

[Lightstream]

Hey Yoda....weighed my backpack today....26.3 pounds.


Cool.. I think my Computrekker would be in the region if I filled it.

[theflyingkiwi]

eeeeew Tamron. http://pix.lightrefineries.org/img/nana.gif

:lol: :lol:

[Permagrin]

eeeeew Tamron. http://pix.lightrefineries.org/img/nana.gif

You know, I don't know another soul that has that lens, except the Nikon tech (who shoots Canon himself...) that recommended it. I don't know why either. It's a fabulous lens.

[Lightstream]

Because the 100 macro has FTM, USM and internal focus for not a lot more money :p (B&H pricing) and it's a real Canon too...

I just read how useful FTM is on certain lenses in certain situations. I never use it on my ultrawides or my standard zoom, but on long tele's and on macros, it was recommended that I 'guide' the focus to the approximate area and let AF pick up the rest, resulting in much faster AF. I've been doing this with the 60 macro for a long time and probably would not appreciate having to switch to MF. Also, no more DC focus drive stuff for me - has to be USM/HSM. Tamron has no ultrasonic technology.

[Woolburr]

Cool.. I think my Computrekker would be in the region if I filled it.

Bear in mind...that is just lenses, flashes and spare batteries...my cameras and their mounted lenses go in Toploader 75 AW's.

[Lightstream]

Bear in mind...that is just lenses, flashes and spare batteries...my cameras and their mounted lenses go in Toploader 75 AW's.

Geez.

I put my foot down when weight goes over a certain point. Simply NOT interested in carrying that amount of gear.

[Woolburr]

I guess I should have strapped the tripod on...just to see what that adds to the package.

[Permagrin]

Because the 100 macro has FTM, USM and internal focus for not a lot more money :p (B&H pricing) and it's a real Canon too...

I just read how useful FTM is on certain lenses in certain situations. I never use it on my ultrawides or my standard zoom, but on long tele's and on macros, it was recommended that I 'guide' the focus to the approximate area and let AF pick up the rest, resulting in much faster AF. I've been doing this with the 60 macro for a long time and probably would not appreciate having to switch to MF. Also, no more DC focus drive stuff for me - has to be USM/HSM. Tamron has no ultrasonic technology.

True but the Tamron focuses faster even w/o it and locks on focus even in the lowest of lights...I know you are prejudice against Tamron, but sometime just TEST the lens. It outshoots my husband's canon macro, in both color and saturation and focuses faster. Sharpness to the edges is about the same.

[Permagrin]

Hey Wool do you know where Wu's been tonight? It was so quiet around here with both of you gone....we resorted to talking photography....no hot tubs or candle light...just tripods and lens weight....

[liza]

Just beware, some people have had problems with image quality, with the camera sometimes out doing the lens. I hurd the same thing from those that use the 1Ds series cameras. You might end up spending more on lens. eeek.



That's okay. Most of my lenses are either primes or L's. I'd rather save for an L lens than buy a consumer one. The Tamron I have is a good one, though.


Hey Yoda....weighed my backpack today....26.3 pounds.

I bet mine fully loaded is almost twice that. I just keep it in the trunk and load the smaller bag from it.

I guess I should have strapped the tripod on...just to see what that adds to the package.

Not me. Mine's a Dynatran, and it's very heavy. No way I could even lift the bag with it attached.

[liza]

I gotta go to bed. I'm not going to want to get up in a little over three hours. Night, all!

[Woolburr]

Hey Wool do you know where Wu's been tonight? It was so quiet around here with both of you gone....we resorted to talking photography....no hot tubs or candle light...just tripods and lens weight....

I haven't seen her since this afternoon...she was going to have a beer and unwind...I am hoping it helped her get some sleep....she needed it.


I bet mine fully loaded is almost twice that. I just keep it in the trunk and load the smaller bag from it.

Not me. Mine's a Dynatran, and it's very heavy. No way I could even lift the bag with it attached.

I don't even want to know what my Pelican that holds most of the stuff weighs...that goes in the back of the car...and the backpack just holds whatever is essential for the shooting that time out...

[Lightstream]

I don't even want to know what my Pelican that holds most of the stuff weighs...that goes in the back of the car...and the backpack just holds whatever is essential for the shooting that time out...


Apparently not much:

Camera:
Kodak Instamatic converted to Canon digital back

Lenses:
Yes, In my glasses

Flash/lighting:
Maglight 3-Cell D

Tripods/support:
Wall or floor


Where can I get the conversion done for the Instamatic? :p (and I've got real Hoya aspherics in my glasses..)

[Permagrin]

I haven't seen her since this afternoon...she was going to have a beer and unwind...I am hoping it helped her get some sleep....she needed it.



I don't even want to know what my Pelican that holds most of the stuff weighs...that goes in the back of the car...and the backpack just holds whatever is essential for the shooting that time out...

Yes, I hope she got some rest too!

I have a Delsey Pro that I store all my gear in...and do the same thing with my backpack. The velbon CF tripod is light enough to haul but the SLIK...it could be used to anchor an angry mastiff and wouldn't budge...it's a monster...I'd sell it (because we never use it) but shipping would break me :lol: :lol: :lol: It's bigger/sturdier than my husband's telescope tripod :)

oh, and Wool, why do you keep changing your gear sig? I wouldn't know it except LS keeps posting your new stuff....:) :) :)

[Woolburr]

I trust my eyes to Brand X...I have N*k*n lenses. I did the Instamatic conversion myself...all that you need is a pair of needle nose pliers, a roll of duct tape and guts from an S1IS.

[Woolburr]

OK gang....4 am here...time for me to turn into a pumpkin or something. have fun...catch you all later!

[Permagrin]

OK gang....4 am here...time for me to turn into a pumpkin or something. have fun...catch you all later!

Night pumpkin...I'm off too...

[Lightstream]

And I am once again alone with the crickets.....

*CRICKETS CHIRPING*

:mrgreen:

PG.. before you go... and before the crickets drown you out... think of some scenarios in which you'd like to use flash and get back to me. See if there is anything I can pass on to you.

[Permagrin]

Augh. I have insomnia. I am never up this late...sigh...and all there are around here are crickets....

[saravrose]

Yes master.. occasionally some of your underlings come up a coherent thought when your illustrious presence is not here... :D

Hey, any familiarity with the gimbal tripod mounts for lenses?



Yup.. the 5D is pretty sweet, you can get ready-to-use results out of it quite often, I do. If Canon follows the 18 month cycle, the 5D may be replaced early next year. Mine will most certainly NOT be on the used market though :D

If they replace the 5D I will pick one up just the second that the price drops.. :D :D .. I want that dang camera!!

sari

[Lightstream]

feer the crickets :p

(night shift crew still here)

[Lightstream]

If they replace the 5D I will pick one up just the second that the price drops.. :D :D .. I want that dang camera!!

sari

Ahahahaa.. you have good taste! But kiss that Tamron goodbye.. it is a digital 1.6X-only lens. (not saying this because of prejudice either.. would have said the same thing to a Canon EF-S owner, and my much loved 10-22 was a casualty of that upgrade decision..)


Your 28-105 will be nice.. it is a great focal length. However the 5D will be absolutely brutal to it.. you'll get the feeling it never looks sharp only because you are able to blow up an image so much more than with the XT.

The L and the 50 (barring its subpar focus drive) will shine though...

[saravrose]

feer the crickets :p

(night shift crew still here)

wow you folks are die hards.. I didn't manage to fall asleep til close to one but here I am getting ready for work... four hours of sleep yikes.. i'm gonna be fabulous today.. :confused: :confused:

sari

[Permagrin]

Have a good day today Sari...though I'm not sure what a bartender does during the day?

I have insomnia...I WANT to be asleep but I can't ....so now I'm just facing the "fear the crickets" I apparently have just acquired...

[Lightstream]

PG: I absolutely detest not being able to sleep when I need to as well.. it does happen to me.

"So tired that I can't sleep" - yes, true. Happens to me. Hate it. Go work on your flash technique.


Sari: I'm on the other end of the world, our time zones are different, so 'night shift on POTN' would actually be quite reasonable hours for me while the US is largely asleep. It's still a while from midnight here.

And 4 hours of sleep and you can still work a customer service position - I'd bite whoever messed up or gave me a hard time! You have my respect for being able to go in and still smile :)

[Permagrin]

PG: I absolutely detest not being able to sleep when I need to as well.. it does happen to me.

"So tired that I can't sleep" - yes, true. Happens to me. Hate it. Go work on your flash technique.


Sari: I'm on the other end of the world, our time zones are different, so 'night shift on POTN' would actually be quite reasonable hours for me while the US is largely asleep. It's still a while from midnight here.

And 4 hours of sleep and you can still work a customer service position - I'd bite whoever messed up or gave me a hard time! You have my respect for being able to go in and still smile :)

I'm too tired to DO anything. But I did find a sticky on basic technique on the lighting section. What I really want to know is not technique (though the thread is interesting) but how to use all the functions on the 580! But not tonight, or this morning or whatever....

Sari never did say what a bartender does in the morning...

[Permagrin]

I'm sure it'll probably keep me up for the rest of the night wondering...

[wu_wei0]

I'm up- just working. Go back to bed, silly! j/k

LOL- I know what it is like- been up most all night- finally decided just to come to the office. at least the keyboard works.

[Permagrin]

MORNING WU! Did you rest well last night?
It was rather dull around here (though we did discuss photography again...). Wool checked in for probably 10 min. Claire never came at all (at least while I was on)...and Lightstream's crickets are rapidly taking over...

[Lightstream]

You will have to RTFM then ;)

I am not very familiar with the 580EX's control set, think it is different from the 430EX I have. But basically, all I ever do is

Load batteries - open side door and follow diagram
Turn it on - move power switch
Set high speed sync - press button with H next to lightning bolt
Test flash - press red PILOT button
Pull down diffuser panel - pull gently
Adjust flash angle - press button at side and move the head
Set slave mode for ST-E2 remote trigger operation - move switch at the base to SLAVE

What else is there?

[wu_wei0]

MORNING WU! Did you rest well last night?
It was rather dull around here (though we did discuss photography again...). Wool checked in for probably 10 min. Claire never came at all (at least while I was on)...and Lightstream's crickets are rapidly taking over...
I slept about an hour. Very early in the evening the keyboard on the laptop quit and I couldn't get my other one to work either. No work. No play. wired but not wanting to do housework. Didn't take paperwork home cause I wanted to chill and maybe write something pleasant, do a bit of research.. . .

I was able to read what was going on but gave up after a while

[Permagrin]

You will have to RTFM then ;)

I am not very familiar with the 580EX's control set, think it is different from the 430EX I have. But basically, all I ever do is

Load batteries - open side door and follow diagram
Turn it on - move power switch
Set high speed sync - press button with H next to lightning bolt
Test flash - press red PILOT button
Pull down diffuser panel - pull gently
Adjust flash angle - press button at side and move the head
Set slave mode for ST-E2 remote trigger operation - move switch at the base to SLAVE

What else is there?

I did read the (expletive deleted) manual. I mentioned that. I think it was written in Greek.

[Permagrin]

I slept about an hour. Very early in the evening the keyboard on the laptop quit and I couldn't get my other one to work either. No work. No play. wired but not wanting to do housework. Didn't take paperwork home cause I wanted to chill and maybe write something pleasant, do a bit of research.. . .

I was able to read what was going on but gave up after a while

I hate computer problems!

So, did you use paper/pencil to write something pleasant? (remember those days :lol: )
(I think I have a mechanical pencil somewhere in the house...:lol: )

[Lightstream]

I did read the (expletive deleted) manual. I mentioned that. I think it was written in Greek.

OK, OK. Won't tease you any more about the flash or the crickets. http://pix.lightrefineries.org/img/grouphug.gifTBH I glanced through my manual and then I fumbled my way through the flash control panel. Only thing I can't remember are what each of the CFNs representing.

Japanese is probably a better guess. :D

[Permagrin]

OK, OK. Won't tease you any more about the flash or the crickets. http://pix.lightrefineries.org/img/grouphug.gifTBH I glanced through my manual and then I fumbled my way through the flash control panel. Only thing I can't remember are what each of the CFNs representing.

Japanese is probably a better guess. :D

Well, if you read Japanese, I'll send you the manual :lol: Honestly, there are more buttons and functions on this than any flash I've ever seen. I'll figure it out, probably right before an emergency portrait session (the only portraits I really ever do) or a double emergency wedding (I HATE photo-ing weddings) or a triple emergency...well, actually, there's nothing I hate worse than doing weddings. While they are lovely, and people want the photos, no one wants to actually pose for them...I find it very trying on the patience. So, eventually I'll figure it out. (I work best under pressure....once I had to learn to play Pachabel's Canon, Ave Maria and two other classical pieces, don't remember now, in 2 days, for a wedding......wait there IS something I hate worse than photo-ing weddings...and that's playing the piano for them :lol: :lol: )

[Lightstream]

Sis can read Jap. I just flip to the English section.. I am supposed to be multilingual, but believe me, the only words I recall from my other languages are the ones that people don't want to hear ;)

I always said, better to know and master just one language, than to know two or three and be incompetent in all. (there are some people whom I've worked with who are the latter.. no kidding.. including their main working language)

I hate weddings and I hate funerals. I don't even go unless I *AM* the, uhh, "guest of honor". Weddings - after all, I'm not the one who's happy (in fact I'm the one who's NOT happy), funerals - not time to bury me yet..

[Permagrin]

Sis can read Jap. I just flip to the English section.. I am supposed to be multilingual, but believe me, the only words I recall from my other languages are the ones that people don't want to hear ;)

I always said, better to know and master just one, than to know all and be incompetent in all. (there are some people whom I've worked with who are the latter.. no kidding..)

I hate weddings and I hate funerals. I don't even go unless I *AM* the, uhh, "guest of honor".

I take it you've never been to any funerals then have you? (though if you keep razzing me about the flash, I could arrange for one...:lol: :lol: j/k) It's probably best if you are uni-lingual then...rather than obscene in several languages :lol: :lol: At least, IMO ;)

[Lightstream]

Actually, I have buried people. It has been TREMENDOUSLY draining on me. It's bad enough having to send others off, it is far worse watching everybody break down around you. Thank god I don't expect any more in the near future.

The thread "take DSLR to family funeral?" is just wierd. I wouldn't even take myself if I could. I'll pay my respects in my own way which is more meaningful to me.

[Permagrin]

All does not appear to be right with the world.

I am awake when I should be peacefully sleeping.
Wu's laptop keyboard isn't working.
Taco Bell's onions have ecoli.
oh, and the first lady plus 3 different guests wore the same $8,500 dress to the white house Christmas party...

I was under the impression that once Dante got his 1dsmkII back, that equilibrium would result and Nirvana would be achieved....

I think we need to put in a service call somewhere...

[Lightstream]

All does not appear to be right with the world.

I am awake when I should be peacefully sleeping.
Wu's laptop keyboard isn't working.
Taco Bell's onions have ecoli.

I was under the impression that once Dante got his 1dsmkII back, that equilibrium would result and Nirvana would be achieved....

I think we need to put in a service call somewhere...

Add a few more to the list...

A major regional fire has cut off road access to one of the areas I was thinking of visiting this weekend (the weekend photo op)
I am looking at a 24-70 - my 24-105 is about to smack me for cheating on it
And lunch sucked.. the food was great.. having to eat and run under pressure was not..


Trouble ticket has been lodged. They tell me "We're working on it."

[Permagrin]

Well, while the tekkies attempt to realign things, I think I'll go back to bed in hopes "to sleep, perchance to dream...aye there's the rub"

[Lightstream]

night (again)

*crickets continue chirping*

Oh, and BTW, someone has specifically recommended against the use of a Sidekick gimbal head with the 100-400. Says it's not very comfortable. I get the feeling I am going to have to suck it and see, but I am not willing to put $250 on the line to find out even though I can resell it.

[saravrose]

Ahahahaa.. you have good taste! But kiss that Tamron goodbye.. it is a digital 1.6X-only lens. (not saying this because of prejudice either.. would have said the same thing to a Canon EF-S owner, and my much loved 10-22 was a casualty of that upgrade decision..)


Your 28-105 will be nice.. it is a great focal length. However the 5D will be absolutely brutal to it.. you'll get the feeling it never looks sharp only because you are able to blow up an image so much more than with the XT.

The L and the 50 (barring its subpar focus drive) will shine though...

i'm aware of the EF-S on the Tammy and that will have to be re-evaluated... Is the 28-75 EFS as well? the 28-105 will probably stick around but won't be a major contender on a 5D the L will be lovely and I will more than likely pick up the 85mm 1.8 for the 5D either that or the 50mm 1.4 on a full frame I probably won't have the same issues with the legnth that I do on the XT but this is all in theory anyway... I may pick up the 30D to let the crop work for me while i'm in Africa and then go FF when I come home... lots of time to decide...

sari

[Lightstream]

28-75 is a full EF mount, will work on the 5D. It'll feel like the 17-50 as far as focal length is concerned, so no big issue there.

Crop would probably be nice in Africa. That way you can hang on to your 17-50 as well. Shooting a long lens on a crop camera is a blast.. definitely the way to go :)

Either that or keep the XT for Africa, the 30D offers no substantial improvements in image quality, then think about the upgrade when you get back. No point selling camera bodies, they depreciate way too fast.. unlike glass, the cameras are now subject to the computer-style depreciation curves - a race to the bottom! :confused: the silver lining, I suppose, is that you can make this work for you, by waiting on the 5D.

The primes will work out, as you have imagined.

Do you have a flash or need a flash? The 5D has no onboard - they sacrificed that for the much bigger and brighter pentaprism. I used to think it was an issue, not so much nowadays.

[saravrose]

Have a good day today Sari...though I'm not sure what a bartender does during the day?

I have insomnia...I WANT to be asleep but I can't ....so now I'm just facing the "fear the crickets" I apparently have just acquired...

blah! I don't tend bar I wait tables... there's a rule in place that states everyone working in fine dining or the lounge also has to pull shifts downstairs in the breakfast/ casual dining restaurant... so my weeks kind of rotate.. Right now due to lack of bartenders/servers I share the bar with my good friend Jess.. one week upstairs one week downstairs for some strange reason I have this shift smack dab in the middle of my bar shifts.. So, closed the lounge last night opened breakfast this morning tomorrow off and back to the lounge on Saturday...

PG: I absolutely detest not being able to sleep when I need to as well.. it does happen to me.

"So tired that I can't sleep" - yes, true. Happens to me. Hate it. Go work on your flash technique.


Sari: I'm on the other end of the world, our time zones are different, so 'night shift on POTN' would actually be quite reasonable hours for me while the US is largely asleep. It's still a while from midnight here.

And 4 hours of sleep and you can still work a customer service position - I'd bite whoever messed up or gave me a hard time! You have my respect for being able to go in and still smile :)

trust me. I'm not at my best in the mornings. the only good thing I can say is that the alarm will wake me up and I will be here.. whether I'll trip over my feet, fall asleep organizing menus or generally walk around like a zombie I can't say.. Ofcourse there is the little matter of my very akward and I am now believing unnecessary decision to give up coffee... (what was I thinking :cry: ) that contributes quite a bit... it takes me about three to four hours before i'm human after waking up.. and the more i'm thinking about it the more I want an espresso maker for Christmas.. and then I think back a few months ago and I was sure there was a real reason behind my not wanting to have my usual three double shots with foam a day... But it's 6:40 in the morning and now is not the time to try to go on a mission of self discovery..

sari

[saravrose]

28-75 is a full EF mount, will work on the 5D. It'll feel like the 17-50 as far as focal length is concerned, so no big issue there.

Crop would probably be nice in Africa. That way you can hang on to your 17-50 as well. Shooting a long lens on a crop camera is a blast.. definitely the way to go :)

Either that or keep the XT for Africa, the 30D offers no substantial improvements in image quality, then think about the upgrade when you get back. No point selling camera bodies, they depreciate way too fast.. unlike glass, the cameras are now subject to the computer-style depreciation curves - a race to the bottom! :confused: the silver lining, I suppose, is that you can make this work for you, by waiting on the 5D.

The primes will work out, as you have imagined.

Do you have a flash or need a flash? The 5D has no onboard - they sacrificed that for the much bigger and brighter pentaprism. I used to think it was an issue, not so much nowadays.

I have an old speedlight that I bought from the lady in my camera store works very well so no complaints about it.. I will absolutely keep my XT there's no reason to give it up and in Africa atleast when I buy either the 100-400 or the bigma the crop will absolutely be to my advantage.. but, whether I pick up a 5D for the trip as well for the 'everything not telephoto related' category has yet to be determined.. I do like the idea of the primes but, again time and income will tell...

sari

[Lightstream]

trust me. I'm not at my best in the mornings. the only good thing I can say is that the alarm will wake me up and I will be here.. whether I'll trip over my feet, fall asleep organizing menus or generally walk around like a zombie I can't say.. Ofcourse there is the little matter of my very akward and I am now believing unnecessary decision to give up coffee... (what was I thinking :cry: ) that contributes quite a bit... it takes me about three to four hours before i'm human after waking up.. and the more i'm thinking about it the more I want an espresso maker for Christmas.. and then I think back a few months ago and I was sure there was a real reason behind my not wanting to have my usual three double shots with foam a day... But it's 6:40 in the morning and now is not the time to try to go on a mission of self discovery..


No, it is not a good time I agree.. spoil yourself, get a small cup of coffee.

I definitely need mine to kickstart the day - I suspect I am a road hazard on the move without sufficient caffiene, so the justifications are very clear cut. When I'm not working I drink less, generally one coffee a day is fine and most likely another coke somewhere in the afternoon. When I am, it depends on the stress level.. some days all bets are off and the coffee is unlimited. Thankfully those are days are few and far between...

[saravrose]

No, it is not a good time I agree.. spoil yourself, get a small cup of coffee.

I definitely need mine to kickstart the day - I suspect I am a road hazard on the move without sufficient caffiene, so the justifications are very clear cut. When I'm not working I drink less, generally one coffee a day is fine and most likely another coke somewhere in the afternoon. When I am, it depends on the stress level.. some days all bets are off and the coffee is unlimited. Thankfully those are days are few and far between...

I like it way toooo much.. I don't like regular cofee though (it tastes watered down to me) i'm more of an espresso girl and there the trouble lies... very addictive stuff. I was getting a bit extreme with it before I left home and if memory serves I was becoming a little concerned at my dependence... Hence the decision to lay off of it... But, months later I still haven't quite gotten used to going without. this could either mean one of two things either I should give up the fight go back to my twelve dollar a day coffee habit or that I truly did have myself stuck on it and it's a good thing i've quit.....

sari

[Lightstream]

Flash should be fine if it works on your XT.. the XT and 1-4 are a blast, I was just playing with that combo. Still value my XT even though I have the big guns. 640mm at f/5.6 on the long end is FUN!!

It's also interesting.. I've travelled to the US before (Yellowstone, where I got my SLR calling), and I found that the 'normal' coffee over there is very, very different from the normal stuff here, where it's thick, black and strong, similar to the stuff that comes out of my coffee percolator early in the morning. At first I thought I'd done something wrong with the US coffee, until someone else I was with told me that's the way they drink it.. :D the stuff we make out here would be similar to the Starbucks Americano.. similar concentration and texture.

I can definitely see why you drink espresso though.. I wouldn't bother with anything else over there.

[saravrose]

Flash should be fine if it works on your XT.. the XT and 1-4 are a blast, I was just playing with that combo. Still value my XT even though I have the big guns. 640mm at f/5.6 on the long end is FUN!!

It's also interesting.. I've travelled to the US before (Yellowstone, where I got my SLR calling), and I found that the 'normal' coffee over there is very, very different from the normal stuff here, where it's thick, black and strong, similar to the stuff that comes out of my coffee percolator early in the morning. At first I thought I'd done something wrong with the US coffee, until someone else I was with told me that's the way they drink it.. :D the stuff we make out here would be similar to the Starbucks Americano.. similar concentration and texture.

I can definitely see why you drink espresso though.. I wouldn't bother with anything else over there.

allthough i've never been out of the States (yet) I've heard that we don't do coffee nearly as well as other countries and I tend to believe ya.. Yellowstone is a lovely place i'm planning on moving there for a season the summer after next.. I can definately see how you would be drawn to photography from being there.. it's only nine hours from me and I'm ashamed to say I haven't been in two years :( .. no excuse at all... where do you live?..

sari

[Lightstream]

Do it.. the resorts are beautiful :) many of the staff I encountered were in a similar position to you, who were there for the job and the benefits of being able to see the place.

I read stuff like this about my favorite animal:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_reintroduction#Yellowstone_National_Park_and_ Idaho

And it almost makes me want to dump everything, buy the Canon 400mm Diffractive Optics f/4 IS USM (not an L, surprisingly), a gimbal head, pair of 1DM2N's and move to Yellowstone to photograph those awesome beasts.

My work has currently taken me to Australia, as my photography will give away. Home is many hours north by plane, somewhere in the exotic Far East ;) while it sounds like a great adventure, it wears off after a while and for this Christmas all I ask for is a 724ISL and the ability to go back and drink coffee with my crew back home :D

[saravrose]

Do it.. the resorts are beautiful :) many of the staff I encountered were in a similar position to you, who were there for the job and the benefits of being able to see the place.

I read stuff like this about my favorite animal:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_reintroduction#Yellowstone_National_Park_and_ Idaho

And it almost makes me want to dump everything, buy the Canon 400mm Diffractive Optics f/4 IS USM (not an L, surprisingly), a gimbal head, pair of 1DM2N's and move to Yellowstone to photograph those awesome beasts.

My work has currently taken me to Australia, as my photography will give away. Home is many hours north by plane, somewhere in the exotic Far East ;) while it sounds like a great adventure, it wears off after a while and for this Christmas all I ask for is a 724ISL and the ability to go back and drink coffee with my crew back home :D

I can't go to links on my work computer but if you're referring to wolves they're not exactly popular in this part of the country.. they have done terrible things to the Elk and Buffalo population in Yellowstone and even in my mountains.. When they were contained and their populations monitored it wasn't soo bad but they have been allowed free reign the last half a dozen years or so and the results have been disastrous.. Even going to Yellowstone now as a casual tourists you will notice how much they have damaged the herds... Now, i'm not a shoot 'em dead kind of girl.. but, I don't believe that one kind of animal should be able to thrive at the expense of many others.. Yellowstone believes in being left as natural as it can.. part of me agrees with them.. If a fire is going to go through then there's probably a reason and the earth will repair itself but on the other side we have developed into a society that can repair and prevent some pretty terrible things from happening and i'm just not sure why we can't use all of the tools available to us to make wise decisions... but then I get started on the politicis of it which are best left alone...

sari

[Woolburr]

If they replace the 5D I will pick one up just the second that the price drops.. :D :D .. I want that dang camera!!

sari

It appears you should have been watching Ronnie Sr. Jr.'s signature....appears he has had a fire sale on a 5D. He has been wheeling and dealing yet again!

[wu_wei0]

Good "almost morning," Wool. I hear things got a little toasty in your area. Still only property damage, I hope.

[Woolburr]

Howdy ~w....things are grand here...the forest service took over the fire at midnight...and by morning all was contained. Several houses suffered damage...but no total losses....the best news is no injuries to people or pets.

Local fire personnel are mopping up hot spots and the forest service crews have moved on to a fire about 45 minutes south of here that has gone wild...can't believe idiots are trying to burn stuff outside in weather like this...humidity is around 15% and winds gust to 50 mph....no rain in close to 3 weeks....DUH!

Sorry to hear of your keyboard issues....seems like it is always something. Guess you didn't get very relaxed.

[wu_wei0]

Dumb folks.

Didn't sleep, really- but it was still a good evening. Talked to a former student for a bit and then the son and DIL who are making me grandma wu. Was a very nice visit. Decided I might just encourage little Bean to call me "wu."
I figure that then I can claim that he/she learned my name first since babies make such a sound early on. Bragging rights, you know! :)

[Woolburr]

ROFL....devious...
The fire wasn't as bad as it seemed...the cows didn't even notice it.
http://www.pbase.com/woolburr/image/71307922.jpg

I'm off on a mission to SC...back later...

[Permagrin]

Morning (technically it still is MORNING here) All.

Sari, maybe if you just limited yourself to one espresso (or latte or americano or something) a day? I could never get going w/o coffee and since it's minus some dangerous ingredients other day starters have (like pop) I've decided to stick with it. (Anyway, I'd be the queen of the Zombie Mambo, if I didn't...)

[Permagrin]

*chirp chirp........mooooo*

[wu_wei0]

moooooooooooooooooooooo

[Permagrin]

Hullo Wu....

It seems only the crickets and cows are active on this thread today ;)

[wu_wei0]

along with intelligent, good natured, and comely women!

[Permagrin]

along with intelligent, good natured, and comely women!

It's a good thing we're twins or people might wonder at our definition of ourselves :lol: :lol:

[wu_wei0]

It's a good thing we're twins or people might wonder at our definition of ourselves :lol: :lol:

Who could doubt that we are that and more? ! :)

[Woolburr]

OK...SC trip canned due to weather issues...shoot rescheduled pending better weather.

Moo Moo Wu? hehehe Congrats on 3K....beer later!

[Permagrin]

Hey Wool...what was up in SC?

[wu_wei0]

OK...SC trip canned due to weather issues...shoot rescheduled pending better weather.

Moo Moo Wu? hehehe

Moo Moo MOOOO, Wool!!;) Looks like I'll be here a while, though. Fifteen more folders to go through for class number 1, revise jeopardy and study guide before I go home. make copies.

Sorry your trip got cancelled.

[Woolburr]

RV dealer wanted some new shots for their website...but they decided they didn't want the rainy version....

[Permagrin]

Moo Moo MOOOO, Wool!!;) Looks like I'll be here a while, though. Fifteen more folders to go through for class number 1, revise jeopardy and study guide before I go home. make copies.

Sorry your trip got cancelled.

Wu, if there are any Mooo's on your jeopardy or study guides...well, you'll break the tension of the finals but may confirm that you've lost it.

RV dealer wanted some new shots for their website...but they decided they didn't want the rainy version....

I bet the rain helped the fire though (if it ran that far north I mean...) Cows are phased by nothing...after all remember Yoda's cows...if anything would phase them, that would.

[Woolburr]

Moo Moo MOOOO, Wool!!;) Looks like I'll be here a while, though. Fifteen more folders to go through for class number 1, revise jeopardy and study guide before I go home. make copies.

Sorry your trip got cancelled.


Moooooooooooooo...ROFL...the 3K celebratory beer can hold until later. The rain has moved in here too....and supposed to turn to snow...yucko! Not grand outdoor shooting weather. 40 degrees and very windy too.

[Woolburr]

The rain will be a big plus for the fire crews. I suspect that a few of them are probably doing rain dances as we speak.

[Permagrin]

Moooooooooooooo...ROFL...the 3K celebratory beer can hold until later. The rain has moved in here too....and supposed to turn to snow...yucko! Not grand outdoor shooting weather. 40 degrees and very windy too.

I think there's some inequality happening here. I hit 4k on this very thread. No Mooo. No beer. No celebration....

[wu_wei0]

Wu, if there are any Mooo's on your jeopardy or study guides...well, you'll break the tension of the finals but may confirm that you've lost it.


I think they are already pretty certain!
There is usually something purposefully strange on the exam. Sometimes they giggle out loud. most times they ignore it. SOmetimes students just aren't very fun.

[Woolburr]

I think there's some inequality happening here. I hit 4k on this very thread. No Mooo. No beer. No celebration....

You are welcome to have a celebratory beer and Moo with us...we are equal opportunity Mooists!

[wu_wei0]

OMG! if you hadn't pointed it out, I'd have never realized. I think I misinterpreted your Moo. :oops: sorry- that yan-xie accent sometimes throws me.

Happy 4000 Permie!

[Permagrin]

I think they are already pretty certain!
There is usually something purposefully strange on the exam. Sometimes they giggle out loud. most times they ignore it. SOmetimes students just aren't very fun.

That's a great idea...some people just need to learn to have fun!

You are welcome to have a celebratory beer and Moo with us...we are equal opportunity Mooists!

(speaking of people who do have fun...) :lol: :lol: Okay, I'll accept that Mooist beer ;)

[Woolburr]

OMG! if you hadn't pointed it out, I'd have never realized. I think I misinterpreted your Moo. :oops: sorry- that yan-xie accent sometimes throws me.

Happy 4000 Permie!

NO...you got that moo right....the celebratory one is for later! ;)

[Permagrin]

OMG! if you hadn't pointed it out, I'd have never realized. I think I misinterpreted your Moo. :oops: sorry- that yan-xie accent sometimes throws me.

Happy 4000 Permie!

sometimes people from the east coast have an accented Mooo...it's the dialect...easily misinterpreted...

[Woolburr]

Actually...I think it is more a case of a moo being lost in the translation and interpretation of the written word. The spoken version is never misunderstood. :cool:

[wu_wei0]

Actually...I think it is more a case of a moo being lost in the translation and interpretation of the written word. The spoken version is never misunderstood. :cool:
ROFL I just bet you're right about that. :)
Dadblasted internet misinterpretation.

At least having to work late means I have a keyboard.

[Permagrin]

Actually...I think it is more a case of a moo being lost in the translation and interpretation of the written word. The spoken version is never misunderstood. :cool:

You're right...the written word can definitely lose all inflection http://LC-images.smugmug.com/photos/113293228-S.gif

[Woolburr]

ROFL I just bet you're right about that. :)
Dadblasted internet misinterpretation.

At least having to work late means I have a keyboard.

Never a doubt...Mooooooooooo! ;)

[Woolburr]

Now if everyone only had Verizon Wireless...."Can you hear me now?" :p

[wu_wei0]

such a nice mooooooo you have

nope just Cingular :( poor service here

I'm glad I took my walk last night-- near 58 yesterday-- low last night of about 17. Today's high 31, if we are lucky. It looks so pretty outside but it is cold!

[Permagrin]

Now if everyone only had Verizon Wireless...."Can you hear me now?" :p

Wouldn't that be, "Can you hear me Mooo?"
Do you use their wireless internet?
We use their phones and their internet package seems pretty interesting...

[Woolburr]

Wouldn't that be, "Can you hear me Mooo?"
Do you use their wireless internet?
We use their phones and their internet package seems pretty interesting...

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....the "Can you hear me XXXX?" is supposed to be a secret for members only thing.

Actually, what I was referring to was that fact that Verizon customers can talk to each other for free...so we could actually hear a moo or two. ROFL

I use Verizon Wireless internet during NASCAR season...when I need to get images out quickly. The rest of the time I use whatever is available locally....I can't justify having wireless internet the rest of the year.

[Woolburr]

such a nice mooooooo you have

nope just Cingular :( poor service here

I'm glad I took my walk last night-- near 58 yesterday-- low last night of about 17. Today's high 31, if we are lucky. It looks so pretty outside but it is cold!

So you are saying you have Cingularly poor service? ;)

[Permagrin]

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....the "Can you hear me XXXX?" is supposed to be a secret for members only thing.

Actually, what I was referring to was that fact that Verizon customers can talk to each other for free...so we could actually hear a moo or two. ROFL

I use Verizon Wireless internet during NASCAR season...when I need to get images out quickly. The rest of the time I use whatever is available locally....I can't justify having wireless internet the rest of the year.

I do like that part of Verizon...half our family is on it!
Soooo sorry about divulging the CODE. Most likely though, no one but a select few even reads this thread anymore...:lol:

We use wireless at home because we're both (as is probably obvious) on the net a lot. Originally we got it so my husband could have study resources whilst I was killing time waiting for him to get done. Now, we just use it to have fun (much better) ;)

[wu_wei0]

So you are saying you have Cingularly poor service? ;)
Sharp as a tack!

I have the lowest minute plan and don't even use those. They are rolling off the back end now, they have rolled back so far. No one calls the house phone either so another waste of $$ - package deal with highspeed DSL, cell and landline. Need to go back to dish as well. It is about 1/2 the price of cable here.

[saravrose]

I need to get a home phone so I can have my own wireless connection borrowing my neighbors is a bit touch and go at times.. But, considering that I barely use my cellphone I haven't been that much in a hurry to get a home phone..

sari

[wu_wei0]

MOO HOO!! I am done with class one's folders! Now copy and fold and staple. I will get out of here by 5 I think. But then I can only read and not post. but there will be beer.

[Permagrin]

MOO HOO!! I am done with class one's folders! Now copy and fold and staple. I will get out of here by 5 I think. But then I can only read and not post. but there will be beer.

Well, I'm glad for you but sad for us :(

[wu_wei0]

you_can_still_keep_me_entertained!:)__I_am_essenti ally_gagged_here.

[Permagrin]

I don't think there's anyone else around but us Wu...and it is rather difficult to converse with someone who's gagged...well, I do know some who do it, knowing full well they won't get a response, so it might be entertaining after all :lol:

[wu_wei0]

I'll_be_around_to_see_what_you_come_up_with.:lol:

[Claire]

Moooooo

[Woolburr]

you_can_still_keep_me_entertained!:)__I_am_essenti ally_gagged_here.

Cingularly poor service and now poor essential gags....this could be a long night. :(

[Permagrin]

Moooooo

Claire, I may have asked you this before (blame it on a LACK of sleep)...what's the Swedish word for moo? :lol:

[Woolburr]

Moo Who?

[wu_wei0]

Moo_ME,_of_course!__Silly_man.

[Woolburr]

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.....

[Permagrin]

Moo_ME,_of_course!__Silly_man.

I think it's safe to say that not every woman will ask a guy to Moooo her. ( I'm still trying to decipher this one...I'm weak in cow) :lol:

[wu_wei0]

I_like_the_moooooos_that_last_a_while.:)

[wu_wei0]

I think it's safe to say that not every woman will ask a guy to Moooo her. ( I'm still trying to decipher this one...I'm weak in cow) :lol:
I'm_not_every_woman,_so_I_think_you_are_probably_r ight.:lol:
(Just_nod_and_smile)
This_kind_of_typing_is_very_draining_and_tedious.

[Permagrin]

nod. smile :)

You know, it really is too bad that you aren't on Verizon Wu. It would be fun to hear the voices of the people we chat with. Although with all your roll over minutes it would probably work just as well!

(re: the tedious typing...see another reason for the above)

[wu_wei0]

I_wish_claire's_voice_thread_had_taken_off.

[Claire]

Claire, I may have asked you this before (blame it on a LACK of sleep)...what's the Swedish word for moo? :lol:

Yep, you've asked! :)
Mooo = Muuu

Oh, and I started a thread a couple of weeks ago for posting your voice. It somehow got sidetracked within two posts...:rolleyes: And apparently I sound like a Russian telemarketer. LOL

[Woolburr]

Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh....this is why my shoot got canceled.
http://www.pbase.com/woolburr/image/71343508.jpg

I live in the South....this isn't supposed to happen!

[puddlepirate44]

Moo: Simplistic Cow
Mohe: Cow of German descent
Mauh: Cow from New England
Mo: Cow with an unfortunate speech impediment
Mu: Cow of distant Polynesian heritage
MuMu: Cow of distant Polynesian heritage given to wearing odd, long draping clothes.
Meaux: Cow breeded specifically to produce milk for French cheeses
Moeau: An ancient dialect of Cow, orginating from Latin.
MOOOO: Southeastern US Cow, primarlily in the Carolinas
Moo': Cow for "I would like a three shot grande breve latte, please." (notice the accent on the last "o")
M'o: Cow slang. Loose translation, "Nice spots."
Muu: Scandinavian Cow (thanx to Claire.)
MooO'aoh: Aboriginal/Australian Cow (specifically, the Northern Territories and Outback regions)
Moooi: Self-centered, egotistical, narcissistic Cow (thanx to ~w)
μουγκρητό: Greek cows in cool shoes. (thanx to the ever lingual ~w)
По-русски: Cows swilling Russian vodka (or "wod-ka") (~w again.).

Just trying to help out here.

[wu_wei0]

Not_quite_so_stealthy_now!
Good_hot_tub_night,_then.