Red-Ringed Tupperware Party with (ineffective) Tin Foil Hats

[saravrose]

Sari, do you know anything more about the movie? Who's in it or anything?

we had a long thread about it awhile ago.. it's about a group of South African photographers a docudrama I think... But, It wasn't out yet I think it might be now...

[Permagrin]

we had a long thread about it awhile ago.. it's about a group of South African photographers a docudrama I think... But, It wasn't out yet I think it might be now...

Sorry, I've never heard of it...no idea how even to look it up either.

[liza]

I joined Netflix.... There's a few friends up here who have it and love it.. so I figured why not?.. But, I want to see that movie about the photographer in South Africa... anybody remember what it's called?

I'd be interested in more details, also. This weekend I want to see "We Are Marshall." That's the one about the football team that's killed in a plane crash, I believe. Given that's the name of my town, I thought it might be interesting.

[saravrose]

the photo of the baby being stalked by the vulture... it's about that photographer... I remember the picture but not the photographer...

[wu_wei0]

I'm going to have to watch City of God. I would have loved to screen it for my population class.

[wu_wei0]

the photo of the baby being stalked by the vulture... it's about that photographer... I remember the picture but not the photographer...wasn't that Kevin Carter or something like that-- who took the photo? Pulitzer Prize winner. I need that video for class too

is this it The Death of kevin Carter (http://africanhistory.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.kevincarterfilm.com/index.html)

[Permagrin]

sheesh, all these dramas...I'm still wanting to see Pirates of the Caribbean 2! :lol: :lol:

[saravrose]

wasn't that Kevin Carter or something like that-- who took the photo? Pulitzer Prize winner. I need that video for class too

YES!! thank you... :D :D

[Permagrin]

yep, I looked it up "the life of Kevin Carter"

Wu, you're brilliant!

[wu_wei0]

welcome. check out the link

[theflyingkiwi]

I can't believe you wont to watch that. it sounds depressing.

Pirates of the Caribbean 2 sound more interesting :)

[saravrose]

I can't believe you wont to watch that. it sounds depressing.

Pirates of the Caribbean 2 sound more interesting :)

I want to see it.. It's not available on video yet.. oh well.. Pirates of the Caribbean was boring.. I don't really want to see the sequel... I did add Born into Brothels to my netflix.. I'd love to watch it again..

[Woolburr]

Hi all...
I got nothing done today...but I did work out and have cooked dinner and done laundry and shopped for Christmas baking. But no house cleaning.....

I'm not taking the blame for that...you didn't stay and play.:p

[puddlepirate44]

Well, now that I'm all caught up on the Tup thread, it's now time for me to go to bed.

[saravrose]

I took a nap.. from four til about six I actually took a nap.. now i'm eating chicken noodle soup crackers and watching up close and personal... I never watch the end but it's a good movie... What's it about Robert Redford where the endings always have to suck?

[Permagrin]

I'm not taking the blame for that...you didn't stay and play.:p

No, you're right...it's not your fault. I spent the afternoon testing the 100-400 on the 5D. To see if it's soft...it shoots sharp as a tack on the 30D (same settings) and not so well on the 5D. Got any ideas why that might be the case?

[Woolburr]

I took a nap.. from four til about six I actually took a nap.. now i'm eating chicken noodle soup crackers and watching up close and personal... I never watch the end but it's a good movie... What's it about Robert Redford where the endings always have to suck?

He owns stock in Hoover?

[Maureen Souza]

I've never done scrapbooking (daughter has though...has great fun with it). Btw. you jigsaw & painting and now this...I'm starting to think you might be a very crafty person ;)
I have been scrapping since I was 13. I try to do a couple of pages every month and keep up to date. I have done my whole family, siblings, parents, kids and now grandkids. Everyone likes to look at scrapbooks.

[puddlepirate44]

He owns stock in Hoover?

I'd thought for sure you'd say Dyson.

[Woolburr]

No, you're right...it's not your fault. I spent the afternoon testing the 100-400 on the 5D. To see if it's soft...it shoots sharp as a tack on the 30D (same settings) and not so well on the 5D. Got any ideas why that might be the case?

There is occasionally a body and lens combo that don't play well together. Your other lenses work fine on the 5D...and the 100-400 works fine on the 30D...you might have to send the pair in to be calibrated to each other.

[saravrose]

LOL... he always has to die.... seriously. he always dies or just disappoints you.. Hands down worst ending in a movie... The Way We Were... I hated Hubble.. he wasn't remotely likeable but Katie was... So, you want him to be better for her but in the end he is just a big old jack a$$..

[liza]

sheesh, all these dramas...I'm still wanting to see Pirates of the Caribbean 2! :lol: :lol:

One of the kids is bringing that to school on Monday so we can watch it. I'm looking forward to it. :)

[Woolburr]

I have been scrapping since I was 13. I try to do a couple of pages every month and keep up to date. I have done my whole family, siblings, parents, kids and now grandkids. Everyone likes to look at scrapbooks.

That is very cute Mo....what a wonderful way to keep those special memories.

[Maureen Souza]

That is very cute Mo....what a wonderful way to keep those special memories.
They can have a huge bonfire when I die. I have 47 fat old scrapbooks!

[Lightstream]

*resurfaces again*

[liza]

They can have a huge bonfire when I die. I have 47 fat old scrapbooks!

I wish I were so ambitious and creative. My kids will only get the volumes of dry, boring genealogical data I've collected over the years.

[wu_wei0]

Hey, Yoda. How's the water?

[Permagrin]

There is occasionally a body and lens combo that don't play well together. Your other lenses work fine on the 5D...and the 100-400 works fine on the 30D...you might have to send the pair in to be calibrated to each other.

I was hoping you wouldn't say that :lol: :lol:
(one more photography question...sorry ;) )
Yes, my other lenses do work just fine on the 5D....at first, when I was shooting today, I was beside myself because I wasn't getting a sharp shot at all with the combo...and not one with the DO IS either...I'd forgotten that the DO IS really never worked very well on the 5D. But then I switched focusing subjects to less reflective material and got a sharp series with the 1-4.

My next question is why would it work some of the times (exactly the same circumstances) with the 5D and not always...(and worked with the 30D the whole time)?

[Woolburr]

*resurfaces again*

Are you running on the surface or still at periscope depth?

[T.D.]

Greetings Everyone,

I haven't been on much in a couple of days because IE wasn't playing well with the hotel network I'm on. Finally downloaded Firefox on the new laptop and it's working like a champ! I can't believe the difference.

Hey Perm,

I made it out to Smith Rock today as well as the bridge over the Crooked River. Thanks so much for the tip. It was fantastic. Unfortunately, I only had a couple of hours and the light was crappy, but I made the best of it.

I think I got some decent shots. Like a dumba$$, I forgot my cable at home so I can't upload any until I get home.

[Woolburr]

I was hoping you wouldn't say that :lol: :lol:
(one more photography question...sorry ;) )
Yes, my other lenses do work just fine on the 5D....at first, when I was shooting today, I was beside myself because I wasn't getting a sharp shot at all with the combo...and not one with the DO IS either...I'd forgotten that the DO IS really never worked very well on the 5D. But then I switched focusing subjects to less reflective material and got a sharp series with the 1-4.

My next question is why would it work some of the times (exactly the same circumstances) with the 5D and not always...(and worked with the 30D the whole time)?

What do you have the focus set on? One shot? All focus points active?

[Permagrin]

What do you have the focus set on? One shot? All focus points active?

one shot. shall I post a couple of examples w/exif? (didn't want to bore you guys...)

[Lightstream]

Hey, Yoda. How's the water?

*looks at his glass*

Nice and cold the way I like it but beer would be good. :)

Are you running on the surface or still at periscope depth?

I was getting ready to sink whoever gets in my way.... :evil: (not on this forum though.. it's all good.. the folks here are the best)

[Maureen Souza]

I wish I were so ambitious and creative. My kids will only get the volumes of dry, boring genealogical data I've collected over the years.
It's never too late to start, Liza. I am a simple scrapper.....the focus is on the journaling, milestones, holidays and cute events. And of course, the photos.
A lot of my friends are just starting to scrap now that their kids are grown and moved out.

[Woolburr]

one shot. shall I post a couple of examples w/exif? (didn't want to bore you guys...)

Post away....that is the only way to be sure...

[Lightstream]

PG: Yup, go ahead and post some..

[Permagrin]

okay, I'm downloading them to smugmug...back in a minute.

[liza]

It's never too late to start, Liza. I am a simple scrapper.....the focus is on the journaling, milestones, holidays and cute events. And of course, the photos.
A lot of my friends are just starting to scrap now that their kids are grown and moved out.

If only I had the time. But being a single parent and working a full time and three part time jobs, I just don't have the energy.

[Permagrin]

okay:
with the 200mm (just to show you it's focusing okay with other lenses)
http://LC-images.smugmug.com/photos/116548957-M.jpg

tripod mounted with shutter release cable
spot metering
AWB
400 ISO
no flash
focus on the red hand holding the lights
30D 100mm f4.5
http://LC-images.smugmug.com/photos/116548714-M.jpg
5D 100mm f4.5
http://LC-images.smugmug.com/photos/116548736-M.jpg

30D 400mm f5.6
http://LC-images.smugmug.com/photos/116549232-M.jpg
5D 400mm f5.6
http://LC-images.smugmug.com/photos/116548500-M.jpg

then I switched ornaments and did this series
5D 400mm on all and it seemed to be sharp
f.5.6
http://LC-images.smugmug.com/photos/116548682-M.jpg
f 8
http://LC-images.smugmug.com/photos/116548871-M.jpg
f11
http://LC-images.smugmug.com/photos/116549109-M.jpg

[Lightstream]

Very interesting. The 5D shot looks like motion blur to me, however. Is your stabilizer running? (should not be on tripod)

The other shots are fine though, so that is really wierd. That means the lens SHOULD be able to deliver.

I can't make head or tail of it...but you do have a very nice tree and I like the decorations. You obviously put a lot of time into it.

[Permagrin]

NO, no IS...I made sure it was off. However, I turned it on for a test shot and it seemed to do better (but not much so I didn't include it in these)

oh and it couldn't be motion blur...I had it mounted...never touched it...used the cable release...everything.

[Belmondo]

Did you use mirror lockup?

[Woolburr]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm....very strange results indeed. I'm thinking on it.

There isn't anything in good focus on the 5D shots...that is just weird.

[Permagrin]

Did you use mirror lockup?

no. I debated on using it, but I'm trying to figure out why I'm having trouble in the field with that lens, and I never use mirror lockup out there.

[Lightstream]

NO, no IS...I made sure it was off. However, I turned it on for a test shot and it seemed to do better (but not much so I didn't include it in these)

oh and it couldn't be motion blur...I had it mounted...never touched it...used the cable release...everything.


That's the wierd part... I know you mounted it and remotely triggered it.

Belmondo has a good point about MLU, but as I recall, the 30D's mirror has far more substantial 'recoil' than the 5D. In fact, as I recall, my 20D's mirror has even more recoil than my 1-series, which is better damped despite having an extremely fast 8fps mirror.

[Permagrin]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm....very strange results indeed. I'm thinking on it.

I KNOW! I took several shots of that first series and did not get one sharp one...I checked every custom function I've got. Turned off the hidden focus points, made sure it was on One Shot...there was no reason it should be soft with the 5 part of the time and not all...(and yet, this is EXACTLY the trouble I'm having in the field...but I didn't have it at all with the 30D.)

[Belmondo]

You will get a little more camera shake with a FF mirror. I wouldn't think it would be enough to impact an image that much, though.

[Lightstream]

I know! It's the Permagrin factor! :mrgreen:

*ducks as tree ornaments fly his way*

[Permagrin]

Wool, did you mean that you think the last 3 shots on the 5D aren't sharp?

[Woolburr]

No....I meant the original ones weren't. I hadn't gotten to the last ones at that point.

[Permagrin]

So you're all in agreement then, that something is going on...but have no idea what? :lol: :lol: (told ya Wu I was having a bad day!) :lol:

[Woolburr]

There is indeed something going on...there is also a big difference in contrast and saturation between the bodies too...

[Permagrin]

There is indeed something going on...there is also a big difference in contrast and saturation between the bodies too...

I noticed that. I made sure the 30's settings were the same too. Do you think it's a camera problem then? Although, I haven't had any problems with any other lens than the 1-4. Both sets of images were shot in raw but I also did a test jpeg on the 5D to see if that made a difference...it was sharper and still oof.

[Lightstream]

So you're all in agreement then, that something is going on...but have no idea what? :lol: :lol: (told ya Wu I was having a bad day!) :lol:

Normally, we the pixel peepers and camera geeks who are supposed to be familiar with what makes the beast tick are capable of rendering a diagnosis.. but between all of us we are still quite perplexed.

Could you help me check what your 5D's firmware version is?

There is indeed a big difference as Wool has pointed out.. and as you yourself said with the DO and the 1DM2N. It may not be the DO - it may be the 1DM2N.

BTW, I thought your 30D was headed to new skies?

[Permagrin]

Normally, we the pixel peepers and camera geeks who are supposed to be familiar with what makes the beast tick are capable of rendering a diagnosis.. but between all of us we are still quite perplexed.

Could you help me check what your 5D's firmware version is?

There is indeed a big difference as Wool has pointed out.. and as you yourself said with the DO and the 1DM2N. It may not be the DO - it may be the 1DM2N.

BTW, I thought your 30D was headed to new skies?

I used hubby's 30D. I'll look at the firmware.

[Permagrin]

ver. 1.1.0

[Lightstream]

Latest firmware. I am a dinosaur with 1.0.1 (note the placement of the digits).. but I also have this policy, NEVER FLASH FIRMWARE unless I am experiencing an acute problem. Not saying you did wrong by doing that, but it's just an explanation as to why I do not upgrade. 1.1.0 is fine.

You should see the myriad devices I upgrade firmware on.. and we always exercise EXTREME caution. Too many hard lessons learned.

[Permagrin]

Latest firmware. I am a dinosaur with 1.0.1 (note the placement of the digits).. but I also have this policy, NEVER FLASH FIRMWARE unless I am experiencing an acute problem. Not saying you did wrong by doing that, but it's just an explanation as to why I do not upgrade. 1.1.0 is fine.

You should see the myriad devices I upgrade firmware on.. and we always exercise EXTREME caution. Too many hard lessons learned.

It came that way. It's only about 5 mon. old.

[Permagrin]

again though, why would I have softness w/just one lens? (if it was the camera?)

[Woolburr]

Did you do any manual focus shots?

[Permagrin]

Did you do any manual focus shots?

no...I'm pretty terrible with manual focus. I could try it tomorrow though but I'd be more worried about user error mis-focus than actual lens probs...

[Woolburr]

I think you need to try a couple...just to see if that makes a difference.

[Lightstream]

*whispers to PG* You need a 400 DO with 3-stop IS and f/4 aperture for those animals.. go to B&H quickly ;)

[Permagrin]

I think you need to try a couple...just to see if that makes a difference.

I will. I just went and shot 4 shots handheld w/IS and they are sharp...2 at 100 2 at 400.

If it won't make you crazy, I'll post them...

[Lightstream]

Post it.....since when have we objected to photos? We need the evidence to diagnose the problem... :)

[Permagrin]

okay
handheld w/IS (same exif)
ISO 400 w/flash

focused on the starbucks cup
400mm f5.6
http://LC-images.smugmug.com/photos/116563837-L.jpg
100mm f4.5
http://LC-images.smugmug.com/photos/116564063-L.jpg

focused on the red ball
400MM F5.6
http://LC-images.smugmug.com/photos/116563933-L.jpg
100MM F4.5
http://LC-images.smugmug.com/photos/116564226-L.jpg

[Lightstream]

Oooooooooooooooh:
http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=250434

This might just be the solution that knocks my 60 macro off its perch. At SUBSTANTIALLY lower cost.

[Lightstream]

PG.....looks OK to me....

[Woolburr]

OK...that makes even less sense....those appear to be focused just fine.

[theflyingkiwi]

pg, you cound that the 5D has got a focus problem

When I was testing my camera out, I had tested it with the flash attached I was getting shots in focus, however with out the flash everything was out of focus.

http://www.cuthbert.net.nz/potn/IMG_5233.jpg

the above image is only taken secs apart. one with the flash and with out it. as you can see with the flash, the camera could focus with out a problem.

the chart that I am using comes from http://focustestchart.com/chart.html

[Permagrin]

OK...that makes even less sense....those appear to be focused just fine.

I know...

[Lightstream]

center point AF, right? (just making sure....)

[Permagrin]

pg, you cound that the 5D has got a focus problem

When I was testing my camera out, I had tested it with the flash attached I was getting shots in focus, however with out the flash everything was out of focus.

http://www.cuthbert.net.nz/potn/IMG_5233.jpg

the above image is only taken secs apart. one with the flash and with out it. as you can see with the flash, the camera could focus with out a problem.

the chart that I am using comes from http://focustestchart.com/chart.html

I never use flash though and the other lenses shoot just fine...just shot several the other day w/o flash on the 17-40, no prob...was yours inconsistant like that?

and yes, CF and one shot.

[theflyingkiwi]

at the end of the day I found I was getting the same results at 100mm with both the sigma and the canon macro. with the sigma it was focusing fine at 300mm. in fact it was dead on.

to me I would have thought it wouldn't have mattered if it was 100 or 300mm. as part of the testing I used the flash. I had thought the above images you had used a flash. If you had used an external flash then that is going to help the camera autofocus. hence why in the above shot I linked to, with the flash it was dead on and with out the flash it wasn't.

However when I was first testing I just thought it was the sigma at fault. I had sent that away to be looked at but the company didn't find anything wrong with it. that's why I started to test the camera. If you have tested the lens on another camera and it works fine then it's not the lens.

until I figured it out I was really confused about what the camera was doing. I don't think the problem showed up on the 17-40 F4. but I didn't test it. my main worry was the sigma I had brought. I was worried that I had brought a dud. I had got it from B&H and didn't wont to send it back to them.

[Woolburr]

I wish I had a simple answer for you Permie....but your results are all over the place....it is a whole lot easier to diagnose a problem when the results are consistent. For now...borrow the 30D when you want to shoot with that lens!

[Permagrin]

at the end of the day I found I was getting the same results at 100mm with both the sigma and the canon macro. with the sigma it was focusing fine at 300mm. in fact it was dead on.

to me I would have thought it wouldn't have mattered if it was 100 or 300mm. as part of the testing I used the flash. I had thought the above images you had used a flash. If you had used an external flash then that is going to help the camera autofocus. hence why in the above shot I linked to, with the flash it was dead on and with out the flash it wasn't.

However when I was first testing I just thought it was the sigma at fault. I had sent that away to be looked at but the company didn't find anything wrong with it. that's why I started to test the camera. If you have tested the lens on another camera and it works fine then it's not the lens.

until I figured it out I was really confused about what the camera was doing. I don't think the problem showed up on the 17-40 F4. but I didn't test it. my main worry was the sigma I had brought. I was worried that I had brought a dud. I had got it from B&H and didn't wont to send it back to them.

I did put the flash on for those last four shots. I just meant, as a rule I never use the flash and don't have trouble with my other lenses. I will keep this in mind though and if I start having probs with the other lenses I'll send it in to canon to have it looked at...just shot this with the 17-40 no flash
http://LC-images.smugmug.com/photos/116570680-L.jpg

[Permagrin]

I wish I had a simple answer for you Permie....but your results are all over the place....it is a whole lot easier to diagnose a problem when the results are consistent. For now...borrow the 30D when you want to shoot with that lens!

sorry wool...I know it's probably a pain that I've posted all these...

[Woolburr]

sorry wool...I know it's probably a pain that I've posted all these...

No pain at all....I just wish we had some concrete answers for you as to why it isn't focusing consistently.

[Lightstream]

You have a nice tree :D

[theflyingkiwi]

ooh ok. well I am sure there is a common theme with the fault. there always is and it's just a case of finding it.

I would recommend using the test chart when you have time. at least with that can you try different settings and check them out.

[Woolburr]

yep....I suppose you could line up some batteries next.....

[Permagrin]

No pain at all....I just wish we had some concrete answers for you as to why it isn't focusing consistently.

I do appreciate everyone's help though.

You have a nice tree :D

Thanks Yoda ;)

ooh ok. well I am sure there is a common theme with the fault. there always is and it's just a case of finding it.

I would recommend using the test chart when you have time. at least with that can you try different settings and check them out.

I will...probably after Christmas though...I had so much work to do today that I did NOT do while I was trying to diagnose this :lol:

yep....I suppose you could line up some batteries next.....

what...tired of snowmen and starbucks :lol:

G'night guys...thanks again.

[Lightstream]

I do appreciate everyone's help though.



Thanks Yoda ;)



I will...probably after Christmas though...I had so much work to do today that I did NOT do while I was trying to diagnose this :lol:



what...tired of snowmen and starbucks :lol:

G'night guys...thanks again.

*whispers to PG* Buy an XTi.. integrated cleaning to take care of the dust, small and light and easy to carry, leave it permanently mounted on the 1-4.. :D

[Woolburr]

Nite Permie

[Permagrin]

nothing's happened around here in an hour? WOW.

I never made it to bed...but I'm going there now...I think. :lol:

[Woolburr]

Nope...everyone went to bed early tonight. Won't be much for Claire to read.

[Permagrin]

I always thought of the night contingent as the "toys that come out to play when the children are asleep"....and now, when it's night and no one's here, I wonder....are WE the toys that come out to play whilst they are asleep? (Kinda makes ya think huh?) :lol: :lol:

[theflyingkiwi]

Nope...everyone went to bed early tonight. Won't be much for Claire to read.

well I am off to bed now. this just happened to be one last check before closing the window.

after all I need my beauty sleep. :rolleyes: :lol:

[Woolburr]

I'm a toy all right...but I am not going to elaborate.

[Woolburr]

Night Mark...hope the sleep does wonders for you.

[Permagrin]

after all I need my beauty sleep. :rolleyes: :lol:

Night Mark...I NEED my beauty sleep too...it's just as elusive as my youth was!

I'm a toy all right...but I am not going to elaborate.

:o :lol: :lol: :lol: we don't need another TMI moment :lol:

[Woolburr]

Night Mark...I NEED my beauty sleep too...it's just as elusive as my youth was!



:o :lol: :lol: :lol: we don't need another TMI moment :lol:

No we don't.....diving in the hot tub was scary enough.;)

[Lightstream]

Night Mark...I NEED my beauty sleep too...it's just as elusive as my youth was!



:o :lol: :lol: :lol: we don't need another TMI moment :lol:

Heya insomniac, thought you went off to bed already?

[Woolburr]

Guard the toy store Yoda...it must be nap time.

[Lightstream]

OK :D

I will stay and ponder the mysteries of life, why Ronald keeps buying and selling gear, why the price of the 724ISL has fallen so fast, and why the fires keep burning here and there is nothing they can do about it as I choke in the smoke.

[Lightstream]

Or maybe not. My head hurts.

[wu_wei0]

some days, it just doesn't pay to ponder

Hi Yoda

[Belmondo]

some days, it just doesn't pay to ponder

Hi YodaOr to drink a large quantity of water just before going to bed.

[Claire]

I'm at home today. My head's been hurting & spinning like hell past days. Too much screen work & straining the eyes. Auch.

Of course damn airline company now want to send off the final guide versions to various tourist offices, which will delay things & not let us launch tomorrow. Grrrr.... And VB are too picky with certain things as well, exchanging words to new synonyms. Grrr...

[Lightstream]

Ahh, morning shift is here :D

Good to see the three of you.. :)

Wu.. you're right.. sometimes it's not worth it. Think I will get some sleep now. I have a long journey tomorrow....several thousand miles....

But DAMN IT'S GOOD to be on the road home!!!!

[wu_wei0]

Or to drink a large quantity of water just before going to bed.

Words of the wiseman!

Sleep well, master yoda. Be rested for your trip home, you must.

[Claire]

Yoda, have a great trip home!

[Woolburr]

Hmmmmmmmm....Yoda and Claire must have been to the same party...they both have monster headaches.

[wu_wei0]

Was that the party you were at the other day?

Blast it! I have been sitting here all morning waiting for Brownie and just now realized I had the goodies shipped to the office since I was supposed to be there today and tomorrow. :( I missed out on a delivery, am in trouble for not making an "optional" potluck, and I don't have my toy. :(

[Woolburr]

Yes...there is a very good chance that is what happened to my head too...I looked around for anyone I might know...but didn't see Claire or Yoda.

[wu_wei0]

too bad. Bet it was still some party. Think I might have to throw a small one, myself.

[Woolburr]

Just don't stay too late and end up with the giant headache too....they are no fun!

[Permagrin]

Was that the party you were at the other day?

Blast it! I have been sitting here all morning waiting for Brownie and just now realized I had the goodies shipped to the office since I was supposed to be there today and tomorrow. :( I missed out on a delivery, am in trouble for not making an "optional" potluck, and I don't have my toy. :(

Ooooh NO! Can you go pick up at the depot?

Yes...there is a very good chance that is what happened to my head too...I looked around for anyone I might know...but didn't see Claire or Yoda.

No, I heard that you and your stealth mobile were beating feet all over the state...it's the adrenaline rush, from elduing the enforcers of the speedlimit, that's given you yours Yogi ;)

I too have a no party headache...curse it all.

[wu_wei0]

Ooooh NO! Can you go pick up at the depot?


When it gets walked over to Soc I'm sure someone will call me. It is one of those don't want to leave the house days and I am so far behind on my errands and work. Been trying to figure out how to keep from going in today. think I'll edit my test and send it via email for the office to copy. anything to keep from going out right now. I DO have to go to the pharma and the PO sometime, but I have to be downtown tomorrow, so maybe I can wait one more day. maybe.

[Claire]

Partying the beginning of a tough week & after 6 day week is not good....

[Permagrin]

I decided to sell the 1-4. It was compatible with all my other cameras but I hate the frustration I with it on my 5D...husband thinks the test was user error...you have to pause longer before you push the shutter button with the 5D I guess (no idea why but when I do, no prob)....so anyway, I'm going to go with a 70-200 F4 IS and use a 1.4x TC when I want range. It's lighter too so that should make me happy.

Wu, I'd be beating down the doors of UPS (or wherever :lol: ) I love getting packages in the mail!

[wu_wei0]

I love my deliveries as much or more than any woman, but I just don't want to leave the house yet. It's so much better when it is brought to me.

[Permagrin]

true Wu :D


Claire, you're right about the partying...you're so funny too...either you never go out or you kill yourself when you do! Are you feeling any better?

[Permagrin]

I think Yoda's crickets much be chirping around here....and the tumbleweeds are rolling too......

[Lightstream]

*BIRDS CHEEPING*

(actually, alarm clock ringing, but one that I am *GLAD* to wake up for)



I decided to sell the 1-4. It was compatible with all my other cameras but I hate the frustration I with it on my 5D...husband thinks the test was user error...you have to pause longer before you push the shutter button with the 5D I guess (no idea why but when I do, no prob)....so anyway, I'm going to go with a 70-200 F4 IS and use a 1.4x TC when I want range. It's lighter too so that should make me happy.

Wu, I'd be beating down the doors of UPS (or wherever :lol: ) I love getting packages in the mail!


I'll be subtle about this.

BUY THE 400 DO.

:mrgreen:

Whaddaheckyamean you're selling your 1-4?!??! What are you going to use to get 400mm now?!

[Permagrin]

when I want 400, I'll use a 1.4 tc (which I have yet to purchase). It'll be close enough. Maybe if I have something lighter I'll have more consistant luck with distance shooting. It was Ed's comments that the 7-2 took a 1.4 tc like it wasn't there that made me decide to go for it. Well that and your earlier pm :lol:

The 400 do is definitely NOT in the budget.

[Lightstream]

when I want 400, I'll use a 1.4 tc (which I have yet to purchase). It'll be close enough. Maybe if I have something lighter I'll have more consistant luck with distance shooting. It was Ed's comments that the 7-2 took a 1.4 tc like it wasn't there that made me decide to go for it. Well that and your earlier pm :lol:

The 400 do is definitely NOT in the budget.


Use a 1.4X TC on what? You'll need something that starts at 300mm...

Ooooh....was that the "grieve not for the DO" and the "Calicokat update" PM? :D :D :D

[Permagrin]

Use a 1.4X TC on what? You'll need something that starts at 300mm...

Ooooh....was that the "grieve not for the DO" and the "Calicokat update" PM? :D :D :D

:lol: :lol: maybe I better re-think this...:lol: actually I was thinking that I'd have almost 300 at the long end w/AF and almost 400 at the long end w/the 2x MF (which I guess I'll have to get better at). I've never been happy with the 5D 1-4 combo. My shots with both our 30D's were so much better...don't know if it's the 5D's mirror slap or that it's slower to shoot than the 30's or ? ? ? ? But I'm tired of being unhappy and I don't foresee purchasing the 30D again any time soon. We also have the 200 f 2.8 that I can use for 400 w/2x tc (AF)

[Lightstream]

Don't stick a 2X TC on the 70-200's.. :( you will quite likely be unhappy..

Luminous Landscape tested both and even their believed-to-be-iffy 100-400 blew away the 70-200 2.8 ISL with a 2X TC until around f/11 or so and even then it was still better.

See, when I'm not drooling over my favorite animals, I'm wondering about the hardware it takes to get good photos of them in their low-light residence.. :) you can bet I will be musing about 400 options on the flight today :p

[Permagrin]

Don't stick a 2X TC on the 70-200's.. :( you will quite likely be unhappy..

Luminous Landscape tested both and even their believed-to-be-iffy 100-400 blew away the 70-200 2.8 ISL with a 2X TC until around f/11 or so and even then it was still better.

See, when I'm not drooling over my favorite animals, I'm wondering about the hardware it takes to get good photos of them in their low-light residence.. :) you can bet I will be musing about 400 options on the flight today :p

No, I was talking about the 2.8 prime. It doesn't do too badly in a pinch. Though now you're making me wonder if I should sell the 1-4....

[Lightstream]

Well, better than a 200/2.8 with 2X TC (which seems to be quite OK, but is not optimal: remember every TC forces you to take an IQ hit), is a 400/5.6.

Both of them share the same limitation: no stabilizer.

Or are the bowflex and elliptical giving you the Arms of Steel to handhold that (even after hiking into the trails) at 1/200 steady? ;) (arms tend to turn to jelly after a long day even when holding a 5D and 24-105 :( )

[Lightstream]

I'll tell you what's my solution.... go buy an XTi. :D

No kidding. Apart from the XTi bashers, let's step backwards and take a moment to evaluate it based on technical features.

Build quality is fairly robust. I checked my XT into CARGO in a daypack. (now that is balls of steel). XT made it just fine.

QCD - I admit, tremendously useful for fast moving events but not when you are locked at f/5.6 AV wide open and just firing at woodland animals.

Price - quite forgiving.

AF engine - subpar on the XT in challenging situations, now upgraded to the 20D and 30D AF engine. This is the MAIN concern.f/5.6 will not enable the precision sensors anyway

1.6X crop - nice.... someone I'm PMing is saying stuff like we should have kept the 300/4 ISL because it becomes a 480mm on crop while retaining f/4 which I wanted, although the IS system is an older version.

Or alternatively combine the XTi and the 724ISL with TC to deliver a 450/5.6 with state of the art stabilizer.

High ISO performance/DR performance - things admittedly could get tricky.



Alternatively, buy a superb 300 and stick a TC on it, but even the other fans of the 300/4 ISL admit that it only starts to perform at its best around f/7.1. This is commensurate with my experience (cheap TC though). Needs an extra stop to be at its best and we don't have an additional stop.

I am not driving you nuts am I? :p

Send it back to Canon for calibration. :)

[Lightstream]

Man that 400/5.6 really needs IS. The birders might not (I don't, not when chasing birds), but we woodland animal shooters need it.

BTW, if you are actually considering that, I do recommend it even though I did not own it.. the handling and dynamics are superb and it feels so strangely light even though it isn't. (1.2kg compared to 1.4 for the 1-4)

*realizes he is talking to himself....*


PS: puddle if you are reading this.. I am trying to save your 200/2.8 from being permanently moved to the Other gear list ;)

[Permagrin]

I'm baking cookies..only checking in here :lol:

I hear ya. I think I'll see if my 1-4 sells and go from there. If it doesn't sell then I'll keep it.

[Lightstream]

mmmmm cookies :D

ok...in 20 minutes time, I will be gone...

In around 12 hours time the birds will cheep and crickets will chirp somewhere in the exotic far east..

For the moment I'm still here :p

400/5.6 sound good?

[Permagrin]

mmmmm cookies :D

ok...in 20 minutes time, I will be gone...

In around 12 hours time the birds will cheep and crickets will chirp somewhere in the exotic far east..

For the moment I'm still here :p

400/5.6 sound good?

I think I'd like a zoom first then maybe in the spring the 400 f5.6

[Permagrin]

oh, and I'd send you some cookies but they don't travel well over PM!

[Lightstream]

So 724ISL first then 400/5.6.... nice :D

Thanks for the thought.. :D

(BTW, just in case this info proves useful in future: do not ever ship food to AU.. they REALLY DON'T like that.. Customs won't let it in)

OK....turning off computer now

[theflyingkiwi]

wow, it's all quite around here. well I have paid for the repair of my camera and now are a bit confused. on the invoice that they sent to me it said they adjusted the AF on the camera, but when they game me a call it sounded like they did.

ooh well I am going to get the camera back and tested it out. make sure that they know what they are doing. But at least I am getting it back over xmas and that's something. I might just hold off until the new cameras come out next year.

[wu_wei0]

wow, it's all quite around here.

Even the birds and crickets are dead silent and no one is snoring.

[Permagrin]

still baking!

Any photos?

[wu_wei0]

Not til I get some cookies!!

[theflyingkiwi]

I hope ya going to send some cookies this way. I like anything with nuts in them.

[wu_wei0]

ooooh! I want nuts too. Sour cream chocolate chip with walnuts sounds really good right now.

[Permagrin]

I hope ya going to send some cookies this way. I like anything with nuts in them.

I would but Lightstream said customs wasn't friendly to out of country food. One can only assume NZ is similar....

ooooh! I want nuts too. Sour cream chocolate chip with walnuts sounds really good right now.

I MADE sour cream cookies! (how bizarre...though they aren't chocolate chip...sorry). I also am in the process of making pnut butter/choc. chip too...

[wu_wei0]

I would but Lightstream said customs wasn't friendly to out of country food. One can only assume NZ is similar....



I MADE sour cream cookies! (how bizarre...though they aren't chocolate chip...sorry). I also am in the process of making pnut butter/choc. chip too...

ok. I can live without the chocolate chips. just send what you have.
what's bizarre about twins being in tune?
PB chocolate chip sounds good. some of each will be fine. I can eat two at once. :)

[Permagrin]

ok. I can live without the chocolate chips. just send what you have.
what's bizarre about twins being in tune?
PB chocolate chip sounds good. some of each will be fine. I can eat two at once. :)

I'm baking all week/weekend (for the hols) so if you want some, I'll happily sent a care package ;)

[wu_wei0]

wel, that WOULD mean a delivery. ;)

[Permagrin]

wel, that WOULD mean a delivery. ;)

well we all know how we like deliveries :lol: :lol:

[theflyingkiwi]

I would but Lightstream said customs wasn't friendly to out of country food. One can only assume NZ is similar....



I MADE sour cream cookies! (how bizarre...though they aren't chocolate chip...sorry). I also am in the process of making pnut butter/choc. chip too...

well in that case then you are going to put some sour cream in the cookies then you can forget it. yuck. Just give me chocolate chip and nuts.

[wu_wei0]

well we all know how we like deliveries :lol: :lol:
cookies are as good as bricks

[Permagrin]

cookies are as good as bricks

Yeah, but I'm not as charming as the brick deliverer ;)

oh, and the next batch (tomorrow) are m&m, choc chip, oatmeal, pecan.

[calicokat]

Where ya at Permagrin, I got six reasons why you should not have sold your 100-400L :eek:

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?p=2397061#post2397061

[Permagrin]

Where ya at Permagrin, I got six reasons why you should not have sold your 100-400L :eek:

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?p=2397061#post2397061

Cat, (I mean this) I shall NEVER be the bird photographer that you are (with or w/o my 1-4). There are a lot of people who's photography I admire but your bird shots are at the top. Amazing.

(I prefer the hawk shots but the turkey vulture is pretty cool from that side view).
(and don't tell me I shouldn't have sold it...I may weep buckets!)

[wu_wei0]

Yeah, but I'm not as charming as the brick deliverer ;)

oh, and the next batch (tomorrow) are m&m, choc chip, oatmeal, pecan.
I wouldn't know- I haven't ever had a brick delivery. I think you are quite charming.
Monster cookies??

[Permagrin]

I wouldn't know- I haven't ever had a brick delivery. I think you are quite charming.
Monster cookies??

(you have to you know...we're family :D )

I don't know if they're called monster cookies or not...it's just one of my grandma's recipes...the pnut btr/choc. cookies are a new recipe and I only so/so like them...

[calicokat]

Cat, (I mean this) I shall NEVER be the bird photographer that you are (with or w/o my 1-4). There are a lot of people who's photography I admire but your bird shots are at the top. Amazing.

(I prefer the hawk shots but the turkey vulture is pretty cool from that side view).
(and don't tell me I shouldn't have sold it...I may weep buckets!)

Thank you for the comment, there are many more out there far more accomplished than I, but thank you, much appreciated. I was just trying to show you what the 100-400L can do, you'll want it back before too long ;)

[Permagrin]

Thank you for the comment, there are many more out there far more accomplished than I, but thank you, much appreciated. I was just trying to show you what the 100-400L can do, you'll want it back before too long ;)

My plan is to buy the 70-200, a 1.4 tc and in the spring (when I get my bowflex paid off :lol: ) buy the 400 5.6 for birds..

[calicokat]

My plan is to buy the 70-200, a 1.4 tc and in the spring (when I get my bowflex paid off :lol: ) buy the 400 5.6 for birds..

The 400 F/5.6L will make it a breeze, its my #1 birding lens. I take the 100-400L when I travel, versatility wins out

[Permagrin]

The 400 F/5.6L will make it a breeze, its my #1 birding lens. I take the 100-400L when I travel, versatility wins out

yeah...I've been sitting here debating on which lens...I really need the zoom, now that my zoom is gone. But the bird lens would be nice. But the all purpose is important to me...that's what I mostly need...so I'll probably stick with my first plan.