New Nikon lenses and bodies

[Depth]

Thought you guys would want to see this.

http://www.europe-nikon.com/press_room/index.html?locale=en_GB&bandwidth=broad

- Nikkor 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II
- Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II
- Nikon D3000
- Nikon D300S

[foxesamu]

Slight thread jack...

Highlights:

D300s vs. D300
7fps vs. 6fps
Dual card slots (CF/SD) vs. just one CF
Video
Same multi-pad selector as D700/D3 (vs. the old and bad design of the D300)

D3000 vs. D5000
10MP CCD vs. 12MP CMOS (a missed opportunity)
3in 230K non-articulating screen vs. 2.7in 230K articulating screen (boo, low resolution)
100-1600 ISO vs. 200-3200 ISO (without any extensions on either)
No video vs. video

So basically the D3000 is a D60 in a new body with better (11-point) autofocus. Although I'm disappointed in the marching on of the 10MP CCD sensor, it does signal the continuation of 100 ISO, which daylight shooters have always liked about the D200.

The D300s looks great. Pro features in a smaller package--it takes the concept of the D300 even further. It has a street price of $1800 but will surely go down just like the D300 did.

70-200 VR II and 18-200 VR II are much smaller than before, and probably more expensive too. I'd wager that the new 70-200 is much better in the corners.

[BEEEsH]

Canon has a lot of catching up to do.

If they want to crap on this announcement they need to release a BIG-BAD 60D that isn't a redo of their current line up. They also need to redo their 24-70 with some kind of coating, or new optical design, (IS would be super helpful too) and redo their 35. Their 70-200 is pretty solid, but it would be nice to see more lenses using their newer IS systems.

They also need to:
- get a newer metering system. 35 Zone metering is nice if the year is 2004.
- get a built in AF-assist lamp
- get in-camera wireless flash control. (ala sony, olympus, pentax and nikon) The ST-E2 is overpriced big time.

All in all, this isn't a huge upgrade at all. It adds a feature that not many people want to a camera that doesn't really need it. They made it faster without the grip and added dual card which is always a plus. Steps in the right direction thats for sure. Its hard to go much higher from the top.

[Marshal.F]

Yep, nikon rumors was 99.99% sure Nikon would do this on Thursday, and yep they were right.

[condyk]

The D300s looks a very, very nice, photographer focused body. I sold my D300 a couple of months back in anticipation and the only 'disappointment', for the market more than to me, is use of the same sensor. But it more than does the job. Rather that than a big price hike, which is what we got over here with the 5D mk II. The 18-200 VR mildly surprised when I saw the rumours and now the release. The existing model is not old or shabby. The 70-200 VR is a fantastic lens already and the mk II will no doubt improve performance, specifically on FF bodies, still further. Apparently some fast primes in the pipeline too.

[CyberDyneSystems]

D300 with Video? At that nice price?

Not bad!

I'm still imagining if I could have flipped a switch for High Def Video in Africa...
Yep, I'd like that option.

The link isn't working for me though?

[condyk]

Try the following ... I agree having the video option, and with use of an external mike, is very handy just for when you want it. two cards is nioce too so don't have to get rid of my SDs or CFs. I'll be getting one.

Nikon D300s:

http://press.nikonusa.com/2009/07/nikon_further_refines_dx_and_f.php

[davidfig]

So basically the D3000 is a D60 in a new body with better (11-point) autofocus. Although I'm disappointed in the marching on of the 10MP CCD sensor, it does signal the continuation of 100 ISO, which daylight shooters have always liked about the D200.


Keeping the CCD probably means it also keeps the 1/500 flash speed. If so, it well be a great camera.

Oops! no 1/500. Read the USA site

[davidfig]

Better stuff here
http://www.nikonusa.com/Find-Your-Nikon/Digital-SLR/index.page

[davidfig]

Then there's this.......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJSiIj2WbG8

[Stealthy Ninja]

Go Nikon!

Make Canon work harder! It's gooood!

:D

[Marshal.F]

thats exactly what i think! ha!

[S.n.a.f.u.]

now only if they would confirm the d700x :|

[condyk]

now only if they would confirm the d700x :|

Nah, not yet. I don't want to have to sell my D700 too at the moment. Only been out around 12-14 months anyway I think. Quite tricky trying to retain decent value with bodies. The D300 price will drop quite a bit now for sure. But I have to admit if the D700 had the D3x sensor size it would be amazing.

[ianlti]

I totally love how nikon pressure canon camera and lens, that's how they did on car. I am quite impressed by Japanese.

[Stealthy Ninja]

I totally love how nikon pressure canon camera and lens, that's how they did on car. I am quite impressed by Japanese.

I agree. I am really happy with my choice with Canon they're great. I'm happy the Nikon dudes get some new choices. I'm especially happy that this will keep Canon on their toes.

Well done Nikon. :)

[KenjiS]

I liked the look of the old 70-200 VR better for some reason

The lens hoods look...weird or different to me too...They actually kinda look flimsy compared to the old ones..but it could just be looks

Anyways, Nothing spectacular, but nothing bad either, the D300s sounds like a very solid upgrade..

My only quibble with the D300s is that 7fps burst is still only with 12-bit NEF, Not at the full 14-bit, Full 14-bit cripples it down to 2.5 fps for some reason just like the old D300...People complain about the 50D only doing 6.3, but it does that 6.3 at 14-bit unlike the Nikon...

Now Canon, 60D please :)

[tkbslc]

Nobody mentioned the new Nikon 70-200 f2.8 VR for TWENTY FOUR HUNDRED DOLLARS/EUROS!!

I really hope Canon doesn't try to catch up if it means that kind of lens price tags

And honestly, the D300 is 50% more money than the 50D. Shouldn't it kick its behind? Not really fair to compare them other than the fact that the 50D is the best APS-C from Canon. Canon should make a direct competitor in the $1800 price range, but they don't.

[Traumuh]

Wow, the D300S is nice... :)

[Jim G]

Interesting stuff. I do wonder if the stated IS lens to be released before the end of the year will be Canon's answer to the new 70-200...

[Hermes]

I agree. I am really happy with my choice with Canon they're great. I'm happy the Nikon dudes get some new choices. I'm especially happy that this will keep Canon on their toes.

Well done Nikon. :)

Will it really though?

Seems to me like Canon doesn't want to compete on features photographers really want. Dual card slots can now be added to the list of features that Nikon will put into its lower-priced bodies but so far Canon won't (decent AF, full weathersealing, 100% viewfinder coverage, e.t.c.). They're still yet to do Auto ISO properly, or come up with a FF body at ANY prce that has good off-centre focus points and great high-ISO capabilities even though the D3 and the D700 have been around for a while.

[randomlinh]

Dual card slots for under $2k... that has now perked my interest in switching to nikon. not to mention the AF system, and built in AF lamp (why doesn't EVERYONE have this by now in any camera over $500?!?!)

Active D-Lighting bracketing is neat too. But the drop to 2.5fps for 14bit?!?!? I never knew that about the D300. I'm not primarily a sports shooter, but I like to have at least around 4fps when I do, or just to have to catch random people action.

The 70-200 pricing seems rather insane when a used canon is almost a grand less.

[foxesamu]

On DX, the current 70-200 VR is excellent and prices will drop for used ones.

[roger767]

the new nikon 70-200 has special coatings which allows for less flare. Its sharper than its predecessor which was also way sharper than the canon 70-200 2.8 IS. And the new VR II allows for 4 stops of image stabilization.

[tkbslc]

On DX, the current 70-200 VR is excellent and prices will drop for used ones.

They might actually rise. If a new one actually does cost $2400 and you can no longer buy the old version, then demand for the older, lower priced option could pick up.

[alt4852]

the new nikon 70-200 has special coatings which allows for less flare. Its sharper than its predecessor which was also way sharper than the canon 70-200 2.8 IS. And the new VR II allows for 4 stops of image stabilization.

*sharper in the middle of the frame

i shoot side by side with someone who shoots with a 70-200 2.8 VR and i can assure you that the center of the frame is the only thing sharper about the lens. we both shoot full frame (i use a pair of 5D's, he uses a pair of D700's) and quality of the nikkor drops significantly as you move away from the center of the frame. by the time you get to the corners, it's a crapshoot. they're both great lenses, but they have different strengths and weaknesses. i just think it's an unfair assessement to say that the original nikkor is "way sharper" than the canon.

[tkbslc]

Will it really though?

Seems to me like Canon doesn't want to compete on features photographers really want. Dual card slots can now be added to the list of features that Nikon will put into its lower-priced bodies but so far Canon won't (decent AF, full weathersealing, 100% viewfinder coverage, e.t.c.). They're still yet to do Auto ISO properly, or come up with a FF body at ANY prce that has good off-centre focus points and great high-ISO capabilities even though the D3 and the D700 have been around for a while.

Dude, you are nuts if you are claiming that the Autofocus sucks on the 1Ds series. And have you ever seen a high ISO picture from a Canon full frame body? I don't think you have if you are saying that they do not have great high-ISO.

As for the other stuff, comparing a D300 to a 50D is kind of like comparing a Nikon D60 to a Canon 50D. The pricing is not even close, so of course the feature set isn't either. Especially if you factor in that new 70-200 VR. Now you have $4100 for the D300s + 70-200 VR2 or about $2800 for the 50D + 70-200 f2.8 IS. They would perform very,very close in real world shooting.

[Hermes]

Dude, you are nuts if you are claiming that the Autofocus sucks on the 1Ds series. And have you ever seen a high ISO picture from a Canon full frame body? I don't think you have if you are saying that they do not have great high-ISO.

As for the other stuff, comparing a D300 to a 50D is kind of like comparing a Nikon D60 to a Canon 50D. The pricing is not even close, so of course the feature set isn't either. Especially if you factor in that new 70-200 VR. Now you have $4100 for the D300s + 70-200 VR2 or about $2800 for the 50D + 70-200 f2.8 IS. They would perform very,very close in real world shooting.

Not saying the AF sucks :)

Just that even the ridiculously expensive 1DS III still only goes to 1600 calibrated and doesn't have auto ISO. The 5D II has a form of auto ISO and goes to 6400 but its off-centre AF points do suck. The D700 and D3 both manage to get a good balance here (and are also reasonably priced).

[ddong]

Come on, Canon!!!!

[drdiesel1]

Come on, Canon!!!!



:lol:......................:cool:

[donaldinc]

"Dual card slots for CF/SD memory cards" - that is nice.

[timnosenzo]

I think heads would roll here if Canon updated the 70-200 IS and decided to charge $2400 for it.

D300s looks nice though! :)

[tkbslc]

Yeah, and they only want $4100 for the combo.

HOw many would really notice much difference between that and a 50D+70-200 f2.8 L IS for $2900.

[NicolasRubio]

U$D 2400 for the 70-200mm f/2.8 VR II... that is not realistic! Come on Nikon! RE-CE-SSION!

Although I expect Canon's to be U$D 1800 - U$D 2000

[CAL Imagery]

The D700 is sweet, but I won't be jumping to Nikon for their D300s for video anytime soon. Especially that their lenses are much more expensive...

[tkbslc]

What does the new VR lens have that the "OLD" Canon L IS does not? Who cares about an update, really.

[TooManyShots]

I am not sure if I am rich enough to care....:) What I am supposed to do with my 500L if switching to Nikon.....

[timnosenzo]

Who cares about an update, really.

I guess that depends on what people are looking for.

Nikon already has a really impressive fast UWA zoom in the 14-24, and a 24-70 f/2.8 that is supposed to be very nice. If their 70-200 VR is as good as their 14-24, that will be a pretty amazing zoom lineup and just another thing that get's people looking at the Nikon camp.

I still wonder if they give primes ANY thought, though... :lol:

[CAL Imagery]

I still wonder if they give primes ANY thought, though... :lol:
What are those?

[dlintz]

I am not sure if I am rich enough to care....:) What I am supposed to do with my 500L if switching to Nikon.....

I'll take good care of it until you switch back to Canon. :cool:

d.

[TooManyShots]

I'll take good care of it until you switch back to Canon. :cool:

d.


Heheheh...ok...:)

BTW, reading the spec on the D300s, it has 15 cross type focus points active with lens from 5.6 or faster. I believe even the 1d markIII only goes from 2.8 or faster.

[tkbslc]

Heheheh...ok...:)

BTW, reading the spec on the D300s, it has 15 cross type focus points active with lens from 5.6 or faster. I believe even the 1d markIII only goes from 2.8 or faster.

Don't know about the 1Dmk3, but the 40/50D have f5.6 cross type for all 9 points, with a second X shaped f2.8 assist point in the center.

[merp]

What is this like Nikons 6th body of the year?? Didn't they just announce/come out with a D5000 that has an LCD that uhh flips? No wonder they get so much advertisement.

[Njv]

Good news for nikon junkies. Nothing special too me.

[Rey]

Off-topic.

[BigBlueDodge]

Wow, 7 ED elements in the new 70-200 IS. Holy cow. Canon only has 4 UD elements in the 70-200 f/2.8 IS. No wonder that lens is so expensive. I'm really anxious to see how well that lens performs. If it's like the 14-24, Nikon could be raising the bar on the 70-200 2.8 lens competition. This could only be good news for the 70-200 2.8 IS replacement. I'm willing to bet we see Flourite incorporated into that lens.

[Njv]

Off-topic.


lol.

[_aravena]

Canon better step up quick! The price of that D300s is killer and tempting. My word...

[KenjiS]

Lets keep something in mind here

Camera bodies take years to develop, They are not "instantly done" in a couple months, The R&D and everything takes YEARS

Nikon took YEARS to catch up to Canon and their high ISO performance, Nikon has only had these "killer bodies" for...well not very long now...Nikon leapfrogged Canon tech-wise because they HAD to...and also they were probubly developing all these killer technologies for YEARS with their rather bland and stagnant bodies..

The fact is Nikon's EXPEED processor was developed over years and its a more advanced processor than the current Digics...Digic V is supposed to be a "leapfrog" however...

By the time the D700 came out, the 5D Mark II was already mostly done being developed...or at least so far along in its design cycle that adding in a bunch of features to directly counter the D700 would have delayed it substantially or been added in a hurry...in the meantime people would be bitching that Canon was "Sitting on their ass doing nothing" by keeping the ancient 5D out there against the D700...

As for the 50D, I feel the 50D was rushed to market so soon after the 40D because Canon needed to try to respond to the D300 with something, also to ramp up production and reduce costs on the 15.1 megapixel sensors as well as get valuable data engineering them and working on improving them, people bitch that the high ISO performance of it is so bad, but its really not, the 50D is about equal to the 40D in real world shooting, and thats an impressive feat because the 40D is simply outstanding at high ISOs....increasing the resolution by 50% while keeping noise to the level its at took a lot of engineering and the 50D deserves more credit and praise than it gets...

I feel the 60D will come this year because of this and be the first REAL upgrade for many of us, I have read an interview where a Canon rep said that the next xxD is getting better autofocus, and he said this RIGHT after the 50D launched, he admitted it wont be 1D-level, and I dont expect that, What I do expect is more points and a FAR better system than we have now [Which in truth is not THAT much better than the newest rebels...]

Said rep hinted at about 11-13 points, That sounds good to me...

I also feel the 5D Mark III isnt too far out there right about now...

1D Mark IV will make the D3 look like a toy, I do predict better AF to squash the complaints that Nikon's 51-point is "better" [I cant say, I've only tried a D300 with some of Nikon's fairly slow focusing stuff..and I wasnt blown away, I would love to try a D300 with a 70-200 f/2.8 VR or something to see what it can really do]

1Ds Mark IV will be the D3X killer, it will certainly be less expensive than the D3X and be equal to or higher resolution than it, And I'm betting we'll be shocked with the high iso noise performance of it...

Nikons got a few good hits in, Thats all, Canon isnt dead yet, and if it ever came down to it, Canon can afford to start cutting prices and take a hit on the bodies, Thats why Nikon doesnt DIRECTLY compete on features with Canon, Because frankly, Canon would win a price war....Nikon's not a tiny company, but Canon is far more diverse in its product catalog and can more easily absorb losses on bodies :)

[condyk]

the new nikon 70-200 has special coatings which allows for less flare. Its sharper than its predecessor which was also way sharper than the canon 70-200 2.8 IS. And the new VR II allows for 4 stops of image stabilization.

How do you know the new 70-200 is better than the old one? Guess work? I've not seen any tests as yet.

Canon better step up quick! The price of that D300s is killer and tempting. My word...

It's £1499 over here which takes it a bit close to D700 territory. I'm sure it'll drop but I've lost interest until it does. D300 is great but not that great ;-)

I can't see the FPS and 12/14 bit thing for the D300s anywhere! Is there an official link to that?

[KenjiS]

I can't see the FPS and 12/14 bit thing for the D300s anywhere! Is there an official link to that?

I cant find it in the brochure or on Nikon's website..

But they also say "Up To" and dont even discuss how they measure that advance rate...

My guess is they're hiding it..My second guess is its a software limitation in the camera and not -anything- to do with the camera itself being incapable of doing it...

Also its still limited to 5 minute clips in movie mode...

[Hermes]

Lets keep something in mind here

Camera bodies take years to develop, They are not "instantly done" in a couple months, The R&D and everything takes YEARS

Nikon took YEARS to catch up to Canon and their high ISO performance, Nikon has only had these "killer bodies" for...well not very long now...Nikon leapfrogged Canon tech-wise because they HAD to...and also they were probubly developing all these killer technologies for YEARS with their rather bland and stagnant bodies..

The fact is Nikon's EXPEED processor was developed over years and its a more advanced processor than the current Digics...Digic V is supposed to be a "leapfrog" however...

By the time the D700 came out, the 5D Mark II was already mostly done being developed...or at least so far along in its design cycle that adding in a bunch of features to directly counter the D700 would have delayed it substantially or been added in a hurry...in the meantime people would be bitching that Canon was "Sitting on their ass doing nothing" by keeping the ancient 5D out there against the D700...

As for the 50D, I feel the 50D was rushed to market so soon after the 40D because Canon needed to try to respond to the D300 with something, also to ramp up production and reduce costs on the 15.1 megapixel sensors as well as get valuable data engineering them and working on improving them, people bitch that the high ISO performance of it is so bad, but its really not, the 50D is about equal to the 40D in real world shooting, and thats an impressive feat because the 40D is simply outstanding at high ISOs....increasing the resolution by 50% while keeping noise to the level its at took a lot of engineering and the 50D deserves more credit and praise than it gets...

I feel the 60D will come this year because of this and be the first REAL upgrade for many of us, I have read an interview where a Canon rep said that the next xxD is getting better autofocus, and he said this RIGHT after the 50D launched, he admitted it wont be 1D-level, and I dont expect that, What I do expect is more points and a FAR better system than we have now [Which in truth is not THAT much better than the newest rebels...]

Said rep hinted at about 11-13 points, That sounds good to me...

I also feel the 5D Mark III isnt too far out there right about now...

1D Mark IV will make the D3 look like a toy, I do predict better AF to squash the complaints that Nikon's 51-point is "better" [I cant say, I've only tried a D300 with some of Nikon's fairly slow focusing stuff..and I wasnt blown away, I would love to try a D300 with a 70-200 f/2.8 VR or something to see what it can really do]

1Ds Mark IV will be the D3X killer, it will certainly be less expensive than the D3X and be equal to or higher resolution than it, And I'm betting we'll be shocked with the high iso noise performance of it...

Nikons got a few good hits in, Thats all, Canon isnt dead yet, and if it ever came down to it, Canon can afford to start cutting prices and take a hit on the bodies, Thats why Nikon doesnt DIRECTLY compete on features with Canon, Because frankly, Canon would win a price war....Nikon's not a tiny company, but Canon is far more diverse in its product catalog and can more easily absorb losses on bodies :)


It's not technology that Canon's cameras are missing from my point of view though, it's common sense and usable features.

The way the top-end Nikons can use DX lenses or automatically crop to 4:5 for example. Then there's the fully customisable auto-ISO that works in manual mode. How about putting a full-frame sensor with good AF in a lower megapixel body. Being able to do multiple-exposures in-camera. A wider exposure-compensation range. The list goes on and none of it is complicated or highly advanced - they're just simple features that make a working photographer's job that much easier.

What's worrying is that this stuff is so simple (a lot of it just software), that if it hasn't been done up to now, there's no reason to beleive it ever will be. One can only assume Canon don't think any of it is important.

[_aravena]

I cant find it in the brochure or on Nikon's website..

But they also say "Up To" and dont even discuss how they measure that advance rate...

My guess is they're hiding it..My second guess is its a software limitation in the camera and not -anything- to do with the camera itself being incapable of doing it...

Also its still limited to 5 minute clips in movie mode...

How long do you need to record things with a DSLR anyways? I Canon ain't dead but seriously, wow. I look forward to Canon's competition no that I can afford anything, but it'll be nice.

[Stealthy Ninja]

Guys, I discovered something. Since this release all my Canon gear has suddenly stopped taking photos because the Nikon has more features and they're refusing to work!

How can I make my Canon gear feel more secure about themselves because obviously Canon doesn't care about us and only makes terrible cameras that don't work.

:rolleyes:

Funny thread. :lol:

Few days ago we were going on about how Canon are coming up with new IS technology and how Canon's coming back and better etc.

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=727052

Now, Nikon bring out some new bodies and suddenly we all want to switch.

:lol: :lol: :lol: Crazy. :p

[Hermes]

Guys, I discovered something. Since this release all my Canon gear has suddenly stopped taking photos because the Nikon has more features and they're refusing to work!

How can I make my Canon gear feel more secure about themselves because obviously Canon doesn't care about us and only makes terrible cameras that don't work.

:rolleyes:

Funny thread. :lol:

So, wanting any camera to be improved in any way whatsoever is pointless as long as existing cameras work?

[Stealthy Ninja]

So, wanting any camera to be improved in any way whatsoever is pointless as long as existing cameras work?

LOL You certainly stretched what I said as far as you could. LOL

I get the feeling you're going to switch to Nikon soon. :p

[Hermes]

LOL You certainly stretched what I said as far as you could. LOL

I get the feeling you're going to switch to Nikon soon. :p

I like Canon's lenses more and I certainly don't want to switch. But, I'm starting to shoot events and my 5Ds' autofocus just isn't cutting it. Higher ISO options and an auto-ISO setting would also be a big help and mean far less time fiddling about, missing shots.

If you were in my situation I'm sure you'd be having similar thoughts :)

[Stealthy Ninja]

I am, I've been shooting events and wedding for a while... LOL I have a 5Dmkii and it works great. :)

I use the 5D for daily stuff (I have one of those too), the 5DmkII does have better AF believe me.

Also the ISO system on the 5D (not displayed all the time etc.) is annoying I admit. The 5Dmkii improves on this slightly though.

Heck on the 5Dmkii you can leave it on ISO 1600 and not worry too much about it. ;)

[tkbslc]

I'm still not convinced the D300 (or even the new D300s) outperforms a 40D or 50D in any meaningful way. Sure there are some obvious spec advantages on paper, but in actual usage they produce very similar results at a very comparable performance level.

[Stealthy Ninja]

Who cares really. I'm happy with my 5Dmkii and 5D combo. Canon are doing me fine. :D

Real world shooting, it comes down to the photographer.

I've seen MANY shooters with 5DIIs or D300/700 kits who take rubbish photos... many, many...

Then you get these dudes who take their kit lens and a 300D and out shoot most of us here.

Gear is fun and I like talking about it... but not going crazy measuring batteries in rows etc. ;)

[_aravena]

No doubt! My 20D still performs roughly on par with my 40D. I'd get another if they weren't so old and finding one with low mileage be an easy task, but oh well. I look forward to the 60D as I upgrade every other camera since that's where the noticeable upgrade generally is.

[Hermes]

I am, I've been shooting events and wedding for a while... LOL I have a 5Dmkii and it works great. :)

I use the 5D for daily stuff (I have one of those too), the 5DmkII does have better AF believe me.

Also the ISO system on the 5D (not displayed all the time etc.) is annoying I admit. The 5Dmkii improves on this slightly though.

Heck on the 5Dmkii you can leave it on ISO 1600 and not worry too much about it. ;)

The problem with leaving it on 1600 is when I have to go from inside to outside in sunlight quickly, with flash, there isn't always enough shutter-speed available to stop it over-exposing at wide apertures.

I will definitely try out the 5DII properly before I seriously consider giving up all my favourite lenses. The lack of a second card slot for redundancy is a bit annoying but I can live with it as I can easily change cards in the quiet bits. The other little annoyances aren't that big a deal either and the auto-ISO should be workable.

[KenjiS]

I'm still not convinced the D300 (or even the new D300s) outperforms a 40D or 50D in any meaningful way. Sure there are some obvious spec advantages on paper, but in actual usage they produce very similar results at a very comparable performance level.


In real usage it depends, for me personally, the 51 point AF would be a massive benefit :)

And I like nikons multi controller...

But they're minor things in truth...And if i went Nikon id have to dump my most used lens, my 100-400 :)

[Stealthy Ninja]

^^ 51 points don't do me any thrill personally. Being one of those "one point" shooters you hear about occasionally in legends and myths. ;)

The problem with leaving it on 1600 is when I have to go from inside to outside in sunlight quickly, with flash, there isn't always enough shutter-speed available to stop it over-exposing at wide apertures.

I will definitely try out the 5DII properly before I seriously consider giving up all my favourite lenses. The lack of a second card slot for redundancy is a bit annoying but I can live with it as I can easily change cards in the quiet bits. The other little annoyances aren't that big a deal either and the auto-ISO should be workable.

That's why you leave your flash in HSS all the time. ;)

Oh and chimp occasionally :lol:

Dual Card slots are cool, but ultimately not that necessary for most people

[KenjiS]

Dual Card slots are cool, but ultimately not that necessary for most people

I think Dual Card slots [SD and CF] fix a problem right now..

Right now, if you shoot a Rebel you use SD, but if you shoot a xxD you shoot CF..

So if they make the next xxD SD-compatable to get people to move up from Rebels easier, the existing xxD users will be very upset

But if they keep it CF theres a lot of Rebel users who dont want to trade up because they'll lose all their CF cards..

I know it sounds stupid, but it is an issue that comes up here it seems

And I'm a single point shooter because my center point is the only one that works well....but i do track moving subjects :) Nikon's enlarged center and ancillary points are kinda nice sometimes too...

[_aravena]

Yeah but that's Canon's own stupid fault for going from CF to SD. Think about Rebel CF users and now can't upgrade to a new Rebel?

[KenjiS]

Yeah but that's Canon's own stupid fault for going from CF to SD. Think about Rebel CF users and now can't upgrade to a new Rebel?

And they did that because of point and shooters wanting to get a Rebel..

The only way to solve this madness is to include one model that has both that appeals to the lower end market...

I dont see a logical reason it would truely eat into 1D sales because msot people bitching about this will never buy a 1D anyways..and if it increases sales of the xxD series, Why not?

I'd like it just in case i was stuck somewhere and ran out of memory, SD is easier to get than CF at stores...

[Stealthy Ninja]

OIC The 500D (is it that one?) has SD cards.

I think SD cards will slowly replace CF. At least CF cards are slightly harder to lose though. ;)

Cards are pretty cheap these days.

Hey, today I was tidying up and I found a 32MB CF card... yep MB not GB!

I might get 1.5 shots on it from my 5Dmkii

:lol:

[Depth]

Yeah but that's Canon's own stupid fault for going from CF to SD. Think about Rebel CF users and now can't upgrade to a new Rebel?

For the average Rebel user, they can buy memory for dirt cheap. I doubt it's effected sales especially with the perception of SD being better.

[KenjiS]

OIC The 500D (is it that one?) has SD cards.

I think SD cards will slowly replace CF. At least CF cards are slightly harder to lose though. ;)

Cards are pretty cheap these days.

Hey, today I was tidying up and I found a 32MB CF card... yep MB not GB!

I might get 1.5 shots on it from my 5Dmkii

:lol:

I disagree, SD cards have a lot of problems in my opinion, I for one really dont like the form factor of them, I HATE these stupid trends towards making everything incredibly tiny...

[tkbslc]

Yeah but that's Canon's own stupid fault for going from CF to SD. Think about Rebel CF users and now can't upgrade to a new Rebel?

You can get a brand name 8GB SD card for $20-25. I hardly think that would be the dealbreaker for upgrading.

[Hermes]

^^ 51 points don't do me any thrill personally. Being one of those "one point" shooters you hear about occasionally in legends and myths. ;)



That's why you leave your flash in HSS all the time. ;)

Oh and chimp occasionally :lol:

Dual Card slots are cool, but ultimately not that necessary for most people

Even HSS can't always add enough shutter speed. Having an ISO that automatically dropped to 100 would be a godsend.

I don't particularly need 51 points either btw, I need two, one in the middle, one 2/3 of the way up the frame for portraits.

[tkbslc]

In real usage it depends, for me personally, the 51 point AF would be a massive benefit :)

And I like nikons multi controller...

But they're minor things in truth...And if i went Nikon id have to dump my most used lens, my 100-400 :)

The controls are largely personal, and really depend what you are used to, so it is impossible to classify the controls as better or worse.

As for the 51 AF points, How would it be a massive benefit? All I can think of is it would help with tracking something so tiny that it fits in between the 9 AF points on the Canon 50D, but then it wouldn't make a great photo anyhow with a subject that small.

[KenjiS]

The controls are largely personal, and really depend what you are used to, so it is impossible to classify the controls as better or worse.

As for the 51 AF points, How would it be a massive benefit? All I can think of is it would help with tracking something so tiny that it fits in between the 9 AF points on the Canon 50D, but then it wouldn't make a great photo anyhow with a subject that small.


You'd be SHOCKED at how little it takes to throw the 9-points off on my 30D

[cfibanez]

^^ 51 points don't do me any thrill personally. Being one of those "one point" shooters you hear about occasionally in legends and myths. ;)

Another one-point shooter here. But being able to choose that one point among 51 points covering the whole viewfinder —as opposed to 9 all cluttered at the center— would be a great improvement. At this point in time, I feel that Canon has the glass, while Nikon has the bodies, at least in the sub-pro segment. That may change again soon though.

[_aravena]

For the average Rebel user, they can buy memory for dirt cheap. I doubt it's effected sales especially with the perception of SD being better.

You can get a 8GB CF card for $20 as well, the question is, most people don't know what to do with their old cameras and now have to ditch old memory. That's where we find great deals!!! :D

Yes, it's a problem. Ignorance is shown by people that have never work camera retail. People hate having to ditch old memory no matter how cheap new memory is, well, pending how cheap. $10 is cheap but anything more they seem to question. :lol:

[KenjiS]

You can get a 8GB CF card for $20 as well, the question is, most people don't know what to do with their old cameras and now have to ditch old memory. That's where we find great deals!!! :D

Yes, it's a problem. Ignorance is shown by people that have never work camera retail. People hate having to ditch old memory no matter how cheap new memory is, well, pending how cheap. $10 is cheap but anything more they seem to question. :lol:

I've seen/overheard people in stores get mad over incredibly small things

People looking to spend say, $1000 on a TV then scoff at paying $20 for a cable

That said i dont understand why Canon and them with the entry level dSLRs dont just include a 2-4gb SD card with them, One box solution, pull it out of the box and you're ready to go!

[mikman]

I've seen/overheard people in stores get mad over incredibly small things

People looking to spend say, $1000 on a TV then scoff at paying $20 for a cable

That said i dont understand why Canon and them with the entry level dSLRs dont just include a 2-4gb SD card with them, One box solution, pull it out of the box and you're ready to go!

Yes seriously, when I got my Nikon D60 kit I was shocked to hear that they'd include everything but a memory card. The kit was made for beginners, if you order that online and you've never had an SLR before, there is no way in hell that you're going to assume that you need a memory card.

Anyways, I'm in the process of selling my Nikon D60 and getting a D90. I'm happy with new market trends, regardless what brand of camera we're talking about. I hope that Canon follows the trend, be it now or soon. In the end, it's the photographer that takes the pictures, not the camera.

[dithiolium]

Canon and Nikon should publish their product roadmap, just like Intel/AMD.
I guess Jap companies just don't like to do that, and prefer to 'surprise' us...
'SURPRISE!'

[Stealthy Ninja]

I disagree, SD cards have a lot of problems in my opinion, I for one really dont like the form factor of them, I HATE these stupid trends towards making everything incredibly tiny...

Though I agree with your hate, I disagree with your assessment of the future. Like it or not, SD (smaller is better :rolleyes: ) will take over. :mad:

;)

Another one-point shooter here. But being able to choose that one point among 51 points covering the whole viewfinder —as opposed to 9 all cluttered at the center— would be a great improvement. At this point in time, I feel that Canon has the glass, while Nikon has the bodies, at least in the sub-pro segment. That may change again soon though.

Not me. 51 points is ridiculous IMHO. I'd rather have them hidden for tracking than be able to select them. Or perhaps have the option of turning them off and having less to choose from. That would be cool. :)

Don't Nikon guys complain about the 51 points not working well enough for them? :rolleyes:

;)

[KenjiS]

Though I agree with your hate, I disagree with your assessment of the future. Like it or not, SD (smaller is better :rolleyes: ) will take over. :mad:

You forgot about CFast ;)





Not me. 51 points is ridiculous IMHO. I'd rather have them hidden for tracking than be able to select them. Or perhaps have the option of turning them off and having less to choose from. That would be cool. :)

Don't Nikon guys complain about the 51 points not working well enough for them? :rolleyes:

;)

Actually you can do that on the Nikon 51-point and the Canon 45-point systems limiting them down in the number of points, with the other points just working for assist when you're tracking...

[Stealthy Ninja]

CF may be faster etc. but you know the way of these things. SD will probably take over anyway.

It is a bit annoying that Canon don't put the 1D AF system in lower cameras, but honestly for me personally, I don't think it matters. For some people it would.

If I were doing sports (which I don't do much really) I would probably have kept my 40D.

;)

[alt4852]

Though I agree with your hate, I disagree with your assessment of the future. Like it or not, SD (smaller is better :rolleyes: ) will take over. :mad:

it's hard to say. i agree that trends usually favor smaller and lighter, but i think the cf/sd shift isn't written on the wall. mainly, cf cards are downright stronger and more durable. i've seen sd cards literally smashed apart with relatively little force (i could probably do it if i had one at the bottom of my bag and shifted the weight of my 70-200 at a bad angle for it. i've seen the top piece of plastic separate from the bottom, the lock switch fall off, etc. cf cards on the other hand seem more suited for the rigors of professional use. they're heavy duty and seem to be able to take any abuse you throw at them.

as long as professional DSLRs remain as large as they are today, they will always have enough room to accomodate cf cards, and they're just professionally a better fit because of their proven reliability and build.

[KenjiS]

CF may be faster etc. but you know the way of these things. SD will probably take over anyway.

It is a bit annoying that Canon don't put the 1D AF system in lower cameras, but honestly for me personally, I don't think it matters. For some people it would.

If I were doing sports (which I don't do much really) I would probably have kept my 40D.

;)

CFast is a new version of CF, based around SATA instead of PATA, much faster and it deals away with the weakest part of the CF package, the pins...

Moving on...

Well one reason as i understand is they cant fit the 45-point sensor in the 1.6x Crop cameras...the mirror box is not big enough or something along those lines according to one Canon rep..

The entire reasoning on the new 60D specs that leaked out at CR earlier today even states that Canon didnt want to get a new AF system -entirely- because of the AF assist on their flash units, They're only designed to cover 7, 9, or 45 points....so the new AF system had to somehow conform to that...That makes sense to me, it would really suck if you had to buy a new flash unit to get Assist back on your new body...

What they're suggesting is a 19-point trimmed down version of the NEW 45-point AF in the new 1D which would allow the Assist system to just use its 45-point config to flood the area...

Basically its similar to my idea, the big difference between the 1D AF and the xxD AF is going to be the 26 assist points, And thats fine by me!

So my guess is the new 45-point AF sensor for the new 1D is slightly smaller or designed to also fit into the mirror box of a xxD, this also may explain the slightly larger viewfinder in the rumor as well [To accomidate it..] Since the current 40/50D viewfinder is as big as the 1D Mark IIs...this actually makes sense

[la canon amateur]

Did anyone notice that the D300S will allow autofocus while recording video?

[KenjiS]

Did anyone notice that the D300S will allow autofocus while recording video?

Contrast detect AF..which Canon also does if i remember right...

Its honestly not that good..Very slow...

[stevenlhopkins]

I get a good laugh at all the NIKON fans making fun of Canon people because of the video implementation put forth on a 5D. Statements I hear on different post claiming it is a gimmick and no one would use it blah blah blah. And it looks like now that the marketing people at NIKON is realizing that WOW, a high end DSLR with HD video is selling like hot cakes such as the 5dm2. I guess there is no going back now, CANON, NIKON, Pentax, Sony, etc will pretty much all have video functions and that will never go away. LOL

[drdiesel1]

I have never used the Video on my 5DMKII....:lol:

[roger767]

How do you know the new 70-200 is better than the old one? Guess work? I've not seen any tests as yet.



It's £1499 over here which takes it a bit close to D700 territory. I'm sure it'll drop but I've lost interest until it does. D300 is great but not that great ;-)

I can't see the FPS and 12/14 bit thing for the D300s anywhere! Is there an official link to that?

the new 70-200 will have the same treatment as the nikon 14-24 which is uber sharp. So my estimate is that the 70-200 VR II will also be uber sharp.

[roger767]

I think Dual Card slots [SD and CF] fix a problem right now..

Right now, if you shoot a Rebel you use SD, but if you shoot a xxD you shoot CF..

So if they make the next xxD SD-compatable to get people to move up from Rebels easier, the existing xxD users will be very upset

But if they keep it CF theres a lot of Rebel users who dont want to trade up because they'll lose all their CF cards..

I know it sounds stupid, but it is an issue that comes up here it seems

And I'm a single point shooter because my center point is the only one that works well....but i do track moving subjects :) Nikon's enlarged center and ancillary points are kinda nice sometimes too...

I haven't thought about that. Yeah the dual slot makes it easier for P&S shooters and entry level DSLR shooters to go into the D300s.

[KenjiS]

the new 70-200 will have the same treatment as the nikon 14-24 which is uber sharp. So my estimate is that the 70-200 VR II will also be uber sharp.

The coating is more about flare and chromatic aberration correction than sharpness...

That said, having better contrast helps with sharpness iirc...

[AngryCorgi]

Keeping the CCD probably means it also keeps the 1/500 flash speed. If so, it well be a great camera.

Oops! no 1/500. Read the USA site

It would have been a shock and a reversion if it had been 1/500 max. The D40x and D60 were both 1/200 max. Only the older 6MP D40 carried that higher synch speed.

[AngryCorgi]

Although I'm disappointed in the marching on of the 10MP CCD sensor, it does signal the continuation of 100 ISO, which daylight shooters have always liked about the D200.

The D200/D60/D40x/D80 (@ ISO100) clips to white about 1EV earlier (RAW comparison) than the D90/D5000 (@ ISO200) does, so there really is not much of an advantage. Even for the JPEG shooters, its about the same in the end. JPEG shots with the D200 @ ISO100 show a 3.2EV highlight range, while JPEG shots with the D90 @ ISO100 show a 3.0EV highlight range and JPEG from a D300 @ ISO100 shows a 3.3EV highlight range (actually an advantage). So, while the "native ISO" may be different, the results are really very similar.

[BigBlueDodge]

I have a 5D MKII and I still say the video is a gimmick. I have yet to see anyone show video of their kid playing soccer (football for my Non American friends), or chasing their little toddler around. The AF simply isn't usable for anything that moves, hence all of the videos you see are with the 5D MKII tripod mounted, pre-focused, and left alone.

I would much rather have the 45pt AF system in my 5D MKII than I would have video. Give me something I will use EVERY shot, rather than something I may use only every now and then. The 5D MKII is a fantastic camera, but I didn't buy it for the video.

[timnosenzo]

I would much rather have the 45pt AF system in my 5D MKII than I would have video.

I'm not sure it's an even trade.

[ddong]

Wow, 7 ED elements in the new 70-200 IS. Holy cow. Canon only has 4 UD elements in the 70-200 f/2.8 IS. No wonder that lens is so expensive. I'm really anxious to see how well that lens performs. If it's like the 14-24, Nikon could be raising the bar on the 70-200 2.8 lens competition. This could only be good news for the 70-200 2.8 IS replacement. I'm willing to bet we see Flourite incorporated into that lens.

When I saw the spec, I was like you, WOW, 7 ED. Canon should have some actions before Sep.

[tkbslc]

I would much rather have the 45pt AF system in my 5D MKII than I would have video. Give me something I will use EVERY shot, rather than something I may use only every now and then. The 5D MKII is a fantastic camera, but I didn't buy it for the video.

If EVERY shot needs 45 point AF, then you are probably a sports photographer. They made a camera for you called the 1Dmk3 or 1Dmk2n. Seriously, how often do you REALLY need that many AF points.

I think video is no more of a gimmick than 3+fps, live-view, histograms, AEB, etc. They are all non-essential features unless you are the one who uses it. I have never used AEB, ever, or histograms, or rear curtain flash, or Medium quality JPEG, or probably 50% of the features in my menu. But if they tailored a camera for just the features I use, then half the other photoraphers would be missing the features they need. It's not like they charge more for them. New camera bodies are generally more feature-packed for the same or less price.

Anyway, thats my take. Oh, and remember that Nikon will happily sell you a camera if you feel their system offer more for your individual shooting needs. And Canon will still keep selling plenty of bodies and have lots of customers. Nobody really notices and life goes on. Buy the system that works for you and your individual needs.

[NicolasRubio]

Video is the perfect addition to a DSLR as seen from the manufacturer's POV. It is VERY easy to add, requires no update in the camera's components at all and is therefore VERY cheap and they charge us more money for something we may never use. So, from OUR POV (photographers who will never, ever, ever shoot video with a DSLR), it is very frustrating to pay for a useless feature.

[tkbslc]

Video is the perfect addition to a DSLR as seen from the manufacturer's POV. It is VERY easy to add, requires no update in the camera's components at all and is therefore VERY cheap and they charge us more money for something we may never use. So, from OUR POV (photographers who will never, ever, ever shoot video with a DSLR), it is very frustrating to pay for a useless feature.

HOw do you figure they charge more money? The T1i is at the same price the XSi was when it came out. The D90 was not more than the D80 when new. The D300s is the same MSRP as the D300. The D5000 is the same price as a D60 was when it came out.

[tharmsen]

Nice stuff, just way too expensive. Nikon is stoned charging $2400 for a 70-200 lens.

[tharmsen]

If EVERY shot needs 45 point AF, then you are probably a sports photographer. They made a camera for you called the 1Dmk3 or 1Dmk2n. Seriously, how often do you REALLY need that many AF points.

You don't. I'm more into studio photography and people photography where all those AF points do nothing for me except clutter my viewfinder.

You can turn them all off, which is a cool feature. The AF system does deserve kudos, I just don't need it. For when I do need it, I have my 1DMk3.

[foxesamu]

The D200/D60/D40x/D80 (@ ISO100) clips to white about 1EV earlier (RAW comparison) than the D90/D5000 (@ ISO200) does, so there really is not much of an advantage. Even for the JPEG shooters, its about the same in the end. JPEG shots with the D200 @ ISO100 show a 3.2EV highlight range, while JPEG shots with the D90 @ ISO100 show a 3.0EV highlight range and JPEG from a D300 @ ISO100 shows a 3.3EV highlight range (actually an advantage). So, while the "native ISO" may be different, the results are really very similar.
Interesting--thank you for pointing that out. Dozens of D200 owners tell themselves that the D200 is better at low ISOs than the D300. It *might* have less noise at ISO 100 vs. D300's ISO 200, but now I know the D300 certainly has more range.

[drisley]

Meh, nearly $3000cdn for a 70-200/2.8 lens?! No thanks!
24FPS and only 720p video on the D300s? Meh.

[PIXmantra]

Not saying the AF sucks :)

Just that even the ridiculously expensive 1DS III still only goes to 1600 calibrated and doesn't have auto ISO.

...of what exactly you are talking about.

PIX

[Hermes]

...of what exactly you are talking about.

PIX

That the 1Ds Mark III only goes to ISO 1600 making it less useful for low-light work. the 5D II goes up to ISO 6400 but it's focussing isn't the best for low light work.

Canon don't have a full-frame body that does both well whereas Nikon have two.

[PIXmantra]

That the 1Ds Mark III only goes to ISO 1600 making it less useful for low-light work. the 5D II goes up to ISO 6400 but it's focussing isn't the best for low light work.

Canon don't have a full-frame body that does both well whereas Nikon have two.


Wrong, again.

The EOS 1Ds MarkIII outputs ISO 3200 files that are produced and amplified in the analog domain. This camera is capable (and will deliver) ISo 3200 files, without any questions.

And this can be very easily demonstrated by opening a 1Ds3 ISO 3200 .CR2 from Imaging Resource, with RawAnalyzer, checking bottom-end histogram in FINE mode, and you will see that, numerically speaking, the histograms are smooth, uninterrupted and pattern-free.

As I explained, you do not have a clear idea of what exactly you are trying to describe, here.

PIX

[Hermes]

Wrong, again.

The EOS 1Ds MarkIII outputs ISO 3200 files that are produced and amplified in the analog domain. This camera is capable (and will deliver) ISo 3200 files, without any questions.

And this can be very easily demonstrated by opening a 1Ds3 ISO 3200 .CR2 from Imaging Resource, with RawAnalyzer, checking bottom-end histogram in FINE mode, and you will see that, numerically speaking, the histograms are smooth, uninterrupted and pattern-free.

As I explained, you do not have a clear idea of what exactly you are trying to describe, here.

PIX

Fine then, the 1DsIII goes to 3200 in camera, the 5DII goes to 25600 in camera. It doesn't make any difference how you phrase it, the 5DII has access to two higher on-board ISO levels despite having the same resolution and being less than half the cost of the 1-series flagship. I shot with the 5DII again just a few hours ago and sadly the off-centre focus points are a let down as far as I'm concerned.

Nikon have two full-frame offerings which manage to balance excellent high ISOs (I'm talking still usable at 6400) with excellent multi-point focussing. I'm yet to meet an event shooter who denies that the new Nikons are head & shoulders above the rest for this type of work and it's clear when using them that this is the case.

[MR do little]

Not me. 51 points is ridiculous IMHO. I'd rather have them hidden for tracking than be able to select them. Or perhaps have the option of turning them off and having less to choose from. That would be cool. :)

Don't Nikon guys complain about the 51 points not working well enough for them? :rolleyes:

;)

You obviously dont know your Nikons...:rolleyes:

[PIXmantra]

Fine then, the 1DsIII goes to 3200 in camera, the 5DII goes to 25600 in camera. It doesn't make any difference how you phrase it, the 5DII has access to two higher on-board ISO levels despite having the same resolution and being less than half the cost of the 1-series flagship.

All ISOs on 5D2 past ISO3200 are the product on on-board multiplication of RAW values.

They are not generated from analog amplification, though, and that can be also confirmed by inspecting 5D2 raw files with Raw Analyzer, as well.

Furthermore, you can also compare how the 1D3 performs when pushed to ISo25600 using the exact same approach the 5D2 (or any other camera today) does it on-board, in combination with Canon's ZB/RIT engine (which emulates DiGiCIII output with pixel-pitch precision):

http://emotion.smugmug.com/gallery/8929059_9yHoz#592851367_EjjAb

NOTE: you will need to view 1D3 images in a color-managed environment (or a wide-gamut Monitor), as they are tagged and shown in AdobeRGB.

PIX

[Hermes]

All ISOs on 5D2 past ISO3200 are the product on on-board multiplication of RAW values.

They are not generated from analog amplification, though, and that can be also confirmed by inspecting 5D2 raw files with Raw Analyzer, as well.

Furthermore, you can also compare how the 1D3 performs when pushed to ISo25600 using the exact same approach the 5D2 (or any other camera today) does it on-board, in combination with Canon's ZB/RIT engine (which emulates DiGiCIII output with pixel-pitch precision):

http://emotion.smugmug.com/gallery/8929059_9yHoz#592851367_EjjAb

NOTE: you will need to view 1D3 images in a color-managed environment (or a wide-gamut Monitor), as they are tagged and shown in AdobeRGB.

PIX


Makes no difference to me - it's either there in the camera when I need it or it isn't.

None of my clients will pay me any extra to spend hours sitting in front of a computer rectifying problems. When shooting events like fashion shows, I usually don't have time to do any post at all. I email the files (yes *GASP* jpegs) to the picture desk straight after to be ready for print as early as possible - they do any little touch-ups that are necessary and they won't be too happy if I explain that their workflow now includes receiving my raw files one-by-one via email over the course of several hours and then pushing them in a RAW processor to expose them properly.

[Stealthy Ninja]

You obviously dont know your Nikons...:rolleyes:

Nope, you'd be right there. :)

Honestly, Nikon's could fly people to the moon on the back of their bodies and I wouldn't care :lol:

I like my Canon stuff. The grass may be greener over there :rolleyes: but I sure do like the taste of the stuff on this side of the fence. ;)

I'm guessing they can turn off selecting 1 out of 52 points. :lol: I wouldn't know. ;)

[ccp900]

When I saw the spec, I was like you, WOW, 7 ED. Canon should have some actions before Sep.

dont expect anything from canon since nikon came up with a wonderful product....the 5d2 is a testament to that....

the 5d2 is a great camera but pound for pound photographic needs, i think we can all agree that the d700 has way more useful features.

canon just doesnt care that nikon has in the offering, they spend the dollars on marketing campaigns rather than on the product....its sort of like a magician doing some sleight of hand on us..

[5teve]

The one thing I noticed the D300s has that mw 5d2 does not is the contrast detect autofocus while shooting movies. Although I don't use video often, having autofocus while shooting video would be helpful. I'm hoping for another firmware update to add that feature :)

[Stealthy Ninja]

The one thing I noticed the D300s has that mw 5d2 does not is the contrast detect autofocus while shooting movies. Although I don't use video often, having autofocus while shooting video would be helpful. I'm hoping for another firmware update to add that feature :)

It already has it, it's just painfully slow... and if i remember right, you need to press the AF button to do it (not sure though, I just get/got tired of waiting for it to focus and pressed the AF button perhaps). ;)

I just manually focus most of the time. Faster. :rolleyes:

[KenjiS]

It already has it, it's just painfully slow... and if i remember right, you need to press the AF button to do it (not sure though, I just get/got tired of waiting for it to focus and pressed the AF button perhaps). ;)

I just manually focus most of the time. Faster. :rolleyes:

Yeh, i think the lack of GOOD AF is the current problem with video on a DSLR as of right now...

I really doubt the D300s' contrast detect AF is any better

[tkbslc]

Yeh, i think the lack of GOOD AF is the current problem with video on a DSLR as of right now...

I really doubt the D300s' contrast detect AF is any better

I tried out the D5000 and it was just as bad as the 500D (only the flip screen was super handy so you could hold it like a TLR camera). I would assume the D300 would have the same liveview system.

[MDJAK]

I'm usually alone in this thought, but video on a SLR does nothing for me. Yeah, I guess there's always that moment in time when having video would be nice. I have three video camera and NEVER use them. Kids grown, no need for them.

The new 70-200 is enticing, but at 2400? For sharper corners? I'll use my 24-70 or 14-24 when I want sharp corners of landscape shooting. My 70-200 is used solely for indoor sports and for that it's just fine, thank you.

Unless you're a pixel peeper, you'll never notice it. And we all know none of us fit that definition. ;)

me

[Silverpenguin]

The grass may be greener over there :rolleyes:
I think the grass is greener on both sides to be honest - after all, THE only way to get all the best features available is to own both systems as there is no single one that does everything. They are both flawed in some one or another!

[KenjiS]

I think the grass is greener on both sides to be honest - after all, THE only way to get all the best features available is to own both systems as there is no single one that does everything. They are both flawed in some one or another!

Actually i found my Nikkors did produce a very nice rich green color :) So the grass really is greener sometimes!


Actually I think my 30D just flubs the white balance or the fact im exposing the subject turns my greens a weird shade sometimes, Nothing to do with the lens ;)

[njmac7777]

i wish manufacturers would come up with a system of options, like cars do. then you could build your camera exactly the way you want it. i have never used the video capabilities of my camera, and i hope i never will need to. why should i pay to have something in my camera that i don't need. give me options!

[KenjiS]

i wish manufacturers would come up with a system of options, like cars do. then you could build your camera exactly the way you want it. i have never used the video capabilities of my camera, and i hope i never will need to. why should i pay to have something in my camera that i don't need. give me options!

Leica has that :) prepare to cough up $6-7k for it...And thats not even -digital-

The reason they dont is simple, Because you'd pay more than an EOS-1D for that...

Hell even CARS dont have that many options anymore..You're stuck taking packages and options are being eliminated constantly, Try finding a midsize car in america with a manual transmission...

[drisley]

Thought you guys would want to see this.

http://www.europe-nikon.com/press_room/index.html?locale=en_GB&bandwidth=broad

- Nikkor 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II
- Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II
- Nikon D3000
- Nikon D300S

Not really, this is a Canon forum.

But the 7D trumps the D300S, and the 70-200 is waaaaaay too expensive, and finally catching up to Canon's 70-200 on the full-frame IQ front.

And Nikon still is in the "dark ages" with their 720p video, they have a lot of catching up to do compared to Canon when it comes to video for sure.
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[foxesamu]

Not really, this is a Canon forum.
:rolleyes: It's the 'Photography Industry News' section. Not the 'Canon News' section.

[MR do little]

Not really, this is a Canon forum.
You have a compulsion to read every thread that dosent interest you ? :rolleyes:


But the 7D trumps the D300S, and the 70-200 is waaaaaay too expensive, and finally catching up to Canon's 70-200 on the full-frame IQ front.
To expensive for you i guess.


And Nikon still is in the "dark ages" with their 720p video, they have a lot of catching up to do compared to Canon when it comes to video for sure.
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No doubt,good thing Nikon have their priorties straight, video is not on top of the list.

Canon is litterary in the dark ages when it comes to flash system, but this you already know im sure...

No manufacturer has it all, just pick the one that has the stuff you care most about.

[gkarris]

U$D 2400 for the 70-200mm f/2.8 VR II... that is not realistic! Come on Nikon! RE-CE-SSION!

Although I expect Canon's to be U$D 1800 - U$D 2000

I don't think Nikon's customer base is people who are laid-off from work or under-employed... :eek:

[GoRk]

http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d800.htm

[foxesamu]

http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d800.htm
He said it would be introduced on August 21, 2009.

[The Moose]

Going by Nikon's terms, surely it would be a D700x rather than a D800? Just like people think the 7D will turn into an 8D but it'll be a 7D Mark II, just like the 5D moved to a 5D Mark II.