70-200 f/2.8L IS II in September *Rumor*

[TjBowden]

"Reports are circulating that someone at Canon UK let it be known a new 70-200 f/2.8L IS II should be expected for September.

Canon UK is having a show on October 27th and 28th to showoff all the new stuff."

http://www.canonrumors.com/2009/07/70-200-f2-8l-is-ii-in-september/



Has anyone, heard anything about this? Or even better, pricing details??

edit: sorry, found this page: http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=707907&page=4
also i'm in the wrong section.

[justaf IREMAN]

Didn't canon release the 70-200 2.8 IS in 2001? How often do they update their lenses? It seems like it's to early to update this lens, but what do I know?

[drisley]

^^ I agree.

Hmm, there isn't a whole lot to update. The current 70-200/2.8L IS already has weather sealing, 3 stop IS, and is designed for optimal IQ on full frame cameras. The AF is probably the fastest, smoothest of any zoom lens too. These are things Noink needed to address in their latest release (with relatively poor IQ on full frame, 2 stop VR in real world (despite it's 3 stop marketing claim... the new VR II with 4 stop VR will probably only be 3 stops real world). So Noink was only playing catch up with Canon's lens on full-frame, and that Noink lens is going to cost almost $3000cdn. No thanks.

I guess squeezing out a bit more sharpness and 1 extra stop with the lastest Canon IS technology could be possible, but I seem to doubt it. But then again, it would be reason for Canon to charge much more for that lens.

I'm already getting sharpness like this wide open at F2.8 (http://www.mts.net/~lftbrain/6K2J9838-2.jpg), so I don't know how much more they can get out of a zoom at F2.8. (and that sample is at 200mm, the weakest focal length of this lens).

I guess we have to wait and see.

[Stealthy Ninja]

Certainly the 70-200 2.8L IS doesn't need much fixing. It could do with better IS (more like the 70-200 4L IS). Maybe some new nano-coating hooplah.

The fact people take the 70-200 f.4L IS over the 2.8 because it's sharper at f/4 and has the better IS, could be a factor in Canon bringing out an update. Also Canon seem to be updating all their lenses (slowly) with new technology (like the 24L II and the 24/17 TS-E), so it will be updated one day I suppose.

I personally hope for an upgrade sooner rather than later as I am saving to get the 70-200 2.8L IS at the moment.

[DennisW1]

"Reports are circulating that someone at Canon UK let it be known a new 70-200 f/2.8L IS II should be expected for September.

Canon UK is having a show on October 27th and 28th to showoff all the new stuff."

http://www.canonrumors.com/2009/07/70-200-f2-8l-is-ii-in-september/



Has anyone, heard anything about this? Or even better, pricing details??

edit: sorry, found this page: http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=707907&page=4
also i'm in the wrong section.

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[Stealthy Ninja]

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Dang it, your yawn made me yawn. :mad:

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[Pekka]

To me it is most likely that they will release 70-200 2.8L H-IS (Hybrid IS). It will have also new coating and better weather sealing, a bit faster AF. I would be surprised if they change focal lenght, but if they do I bet it is done in wider end, like 55-200.

Why above guess? Simply because they need a hot selling pro showcase lens for Hybrid IS technology.

[timbop]

I seriously doubt canon would cut the short end to 55; they like to keep their 2.8 L zooms in the 3x or under range

[Stealthy Ninja]

If they want to showcase something, make it a 14-400mm 1.2L H-IS (macro?) lens.

Charge $99,999 for it and therefore make it the lens everyone wants (but no one can afford).

;)

Seriously though, a 55-200 2.8L H-IS lens would be pretty nice if it wasn't the size of the space shuttle and weigh about as much. Price wise I bet it would empty a lot of wallets. ;)

[wickerprints]

You can have it, I don't think I could lift a 50 pound lens... :p

[Stealthy Ninja]

It's the one that comes with it's own robot to carry it (you know, that honda robot thingy). ;)

[wickerprints]

It's the one that comes with it's own robot to carry it (you know, that honda robot thingy). ;)

You mean AWESOME-O?

ROFL

[Stealthy Ninja]

No, no.

Chief Knock-a-homer (http://www.xtreme-simpsons.de/pics/whatiswhat/roboter.gif)! ;)

[ceriltheblade]

just the IS update to HIS would be pretty darned amazing.
chief knock a hammer would be just a side benefit for those people who also want video in their DSLR! (snickers behind his hand) or feel that any automatic flash (i.e. not flash powder held high by a properly dressed assistant) is for GWC solely.....
oops, did "I say that outl loud?" :)

[bigcountry]

no new 70-200. :(

[drisley]

no new 70-200. :(
Told ya!

What is Hybrid IS? I've never heard of it before.
I can get sharp images down to about 1/15s at 200mm on my current 70-200/2.8IS, so for me, any more improvement probably won't mean much.

[Stealthy Ninja]

no new 70-200. :(

Where's the proof of this? I would like to see it (seriously). :)

Unless you're talking about your ability to afford one. :p

Hybrid IS:
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=727052

[bigcountry]

where is the proof that there will be one?

There is none.


Where's the proof of this? I would like to see it (seriously). :)

Unless you're talking about your ability to afford one. :p

Hybrid IS:
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=727052

[Stealthy Ninja]

:rolleyes:

[wickerprints]

Something's supposed to happen in the next few days anyway, right? :mrgreen:

pc = pc+1

[djharmonix]

were good friends of Gary Stronach here in Mtl and I can tell you that the only rumors he confirmed are of the 70-200 MkII and a 100MML macro lense.

so yes there will be a 70-200 F2.8L IS mk2

[TsPoet]

were good friends of Gary Stronach here in Mtl and I can tell you that the only rumors he confirmed are of the 70-200 MkII and a 100MML macro lense.

so yes there will be a 70-200 F2.8L IS mk2

OK, lets just say the 70-200 F2.8L IS mk2 is available next week and that it has the hybrid IS on it. Do we all trust that the hybrid IS is as wonderful as its supposed to be and go out and buy it, or do we wait another 6 months for others to check it out and verify its quality?
Has anyone Pre-ordered this potential lens on faith, or is everyone waiting for a review or two...?
Is that going to be the first hybrid IS lens, or am I missing another one?

[wickerprints]

OK, lets just say the 70-200 F2.8L IS mk2 is available next week and that it has the hybrid IS on it. Do we all trust that the hybrid IS is as wonderful as its supposed to be and go out and buy it, or do we wait another 6 months for others to check it out and verify its quality?
Has anyone Pre-ordered this potential lens on faith, or is everyone waiting for a review or two...?
Is that going to be the first hybrid IS lens, or am I missing another one?

I would be utterly SHOCKED if a Mark II version of the 70-200/2.8L IS did not have its elements redesigned. In particular, I would strongly expect the use of fluorite to replace some of the 4 UD elements and supplemental glass.

[Route246]

If this is true then my wait has been worth it. If it is not true then I can always get the Mk I. I feel like I can't lose.

were good friends of Gary Stronach here in Mtl and I can tell you that the only rumors he confirmed are of the 70-200 MkII and a 100MML macro lense.

so yes there will be a 70-200 F2.8L IS mk2

[Stealthy Ninja]

OK, lets just say the 70-200 F2.8L IS mk2 is available next week and that it has the hybrid IS on it. Do we all trust that the hybrid IS is as wonderful as its supposed to be and go out and buy it, or do we wait another 6 months for others to check it out and verify its quality?
Has anyone Pre-ordered this potential lens on faith, or is everyone waiting for a review or two...?
Is that going to be the first hybrid IS lens, or am I missing another one?

Judging by the people who already have their names down for a 1DmkIV (which hasn't been announced yet) I'd say the chances are extremely high that people will buy lenses on faith.

I will buy it on faith if the 70-200 2.8L IS comes out. I have the money for it right now. Just waiting. :D Chances are some place like DPReview will have a "hands on" test before it's in shops anyway.

[djharmonix]

Ive never been disapointed with new canon lenses when they came out. Especially the L series.

[bigcountry]

stealthy, let's say there is a new 70-200 2.8 IS, how much are you willing to throw down for it?

[Naturalist]

I'm not excited when I see IS added to any lens as it simply adds $500 to the cost of the lens whereas, practicing good form (aka: TRIPOD), makes the IS unnecessary...unless you were born after 1970, in which case IS is all the rage.

:evil:Let the flames begin!

[Stealthy Ninja]

stealthy, let's say there is a new 70-200 2.8 IS, how much are you willing to throw down for it?

Depends on how much better it is.

Say it's a considerable improvement (better IS and sharper etc.). Considering the retail price for the current one is $15,000HKD ($1900USD) I'd say $19,000 ($2500 USD) should be the max. $18,000 would be better.

Of course I'd prefer it if it were a lot less, but you've got to be realistic. That said, I guess the street price here in HK would be a bit less than that. Though maybe not at the beginning.

I'm not excited when I see IS added to any lens as it simply adds $500 to the cost of the lens whereas, practicing good form (aka: TRIPOD), makes the IS unnecessary...unless you were born after 1970, in which case IS is all the rage.

:evil:Let the flames begin!

Good for you. :)

[anthony11]

just the IS update to HIS would be pretty darned amazing.
chief knock a hammer would be just a side benefit for those people who also want video in their DSLR! (snickers behind his hand) or feel that any automatic flash (i.e. not flash powder held high by a properly dressed assistant) is for GWC solely.....
oops, did "I say that outl loud?" :)

You're one zassy frood who really knows where his towel's at.

[Kuma]

You're one zassy frood who really knows where his towel's at.

Read this line several times and still have no idea what it means! :D

$2500 for a 70-200/2.8 IS L Mkii.... at that price I could see a lot of people buying the latest and greatest lens. Looking forward to reading posts from forum members buying this lens and there reactions once they've gotten over the newness factor. There are sure gonna be some great deals on the forums for the old version.

[Stealthy Ninja]

Read this line several times and still have no idea what it means! :D


Better read "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy."

Then you'll get it. ;)

[anthony11]

Read this line several times and still have no idea what it means! :D
My point exactly. Can't figure out for the life of me what ceriltheblade was trying to say, eg. what is "GWC"?

$2500 for a 70-200/2.8 IS L Mkii....
Nikon's new 70-200 is around there. Maybe Canon felt a need to update theirs so as to not appear dated. Nikon's price doesn't bode well for Canon's price, though.

[Marshal.F]

My point exactly. Can't figure out for the life of me what ceriltheblade was trying to say, eg. what is "GWC"?


Nikon's new 70-200 is around there. Maybe Canon felt a need to update theirs so as to not appear dated. Nikon's price doesn't bode well for Canon's price, though.

Well "CWG" Is Corney White Girl ha! Hope that can help! :D

[bigcountry]

i heard it was coming tomorrow, "maybe"

[Stealthy Ninja]

GWC = Guy with camera.

Name for a dude hanging around taking photos (not a professional, though he/she may pretend to be).

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gwc

[gary88]

Breaking news!

Canon to release new telephoto lens eventually :p

[Sunapollo]

Wait wait wait ... don't feel like waiting anymore ... my L bug bites so hard that I got myself a 70-200mm 2.8 IS yesterday :D

[bigcountry]

i heard it was coming tomorrow, "maybe"

[TsPoet]

Breaking news!

Canon to release new telephoto lens eventually :p

Where's your proof?

[Stealthy Ninja]

The "proof" is that "eventually" covers a LONG time. ;)

[msowsun]

Even "Eventually" may not be a long enough time to see a new version of any of the 70-200's. We never got a 80-200L II, 28-80L II, or 28-70L II, did we? Still waiting ;)

It is possible that when the time comes, the 70-200L's will be replaced with something that has a little longer zoom ratio. Maybe something like a 55-200L, 70-250L, or even a 55-250L.

Or is there something magical about the 70-200mm range that should never be tampered with? :confused:

[TsPoet]

The "proof" is that "eventually" covers a LONG time. ;)

I was trying to be snide - guess I needed a smiley :lol:

[4x4rock]

Hey it's Canon and they usually release the fresh and new tech to the consumer market first to see how it fare before putting them to the "Pro" so I'm expecting a 55-250 f3.5-5.6 Hybrid IS or a 18-200 f4.5-5.6 Hybrid IS coming soon :D

[wickerprints]

Even "Eventually" may not be a long enough time to see a new version of any of the 70-200's. We never got a 80-200L II, 28-80L II, or 28-70L II, did we? Still waiting ;)

It is possible that when the time comes, the 70-200L's will be replaced with something that has a little longer zoom ratio. Maybe something like a 55-200L, 70-250L, or even a 55-250L.

Or is there something magical about the 70-200mm range that should never be tampered with? :confused:

Yes, if you want to keep your front filter diameter 77mm @ f/2.8, you're not going to get any longer than 200mm. You can already see in the existing design how there is simply no more space.

[shadowcat]

since the 70-200L series lens is one of the most popular lens I expect it to be first on the list for the new hybrid IS system I'm hoping the either replace the current 100-400L with a faster version or dump it for a new lens like 200-400 or 500L F4 lens if they can do it at a fair price. Hey canon the 100-400L is old do something with it already LOL.

[anthony11]

Hey canon the 100-400L is old do something with it already
... and lose the goofy trombone-style zoom

[Stealthy Ninja]

I was trying to be snide - guess I needed a smiley :lol:

Oh yeah?! Where's your proof of THAT!?!!?!?!?!??/1/!??!/1/1/1/////1???

:p

[Colin Morey]

... and lose the goofy trombone-style zoom

Hey :) I like the trombone-style zoom, :cool: so it's not to everyones taste

[bigcountry]

canon 70-200 2.8 IS II tomorrow *maybe*

[PiRho]

canon 70-200 2.8 IS II tomorrow *maybe*

you can say that again...

[Route246]

Tomorrow is today. So far, no announcement. *perhaps*

canon 70-200 2.8 IS II tomorrow *maybe*

[rubber_duckie]

Been following this threads and keep reading and reading....:cry:
I always wanted to this lens... but keep holding back...
reason is the MKii version for this lens...

Now B&H rebate has over.... in the beginning wanted to buy from them... but worries the MKii is coming after that....
Other shop their selling price is going up due to the exchange rate.....:cry:

So sad to see...
I tot I can get a reasonable for this lens... but turn out i still have to wait...
And next couple of weeks there are many events going on...
and I really needed this lens for my shots.... So what should I do now... wait again..... and miss out all the event......

But the most important event will be the Tokyo Motor Show..!!!
and I really need it for this event...!!!!

Should I wait or buy..???!?!?!?!?!?!?
is a pain..!!!!

[Stealthy Ninja]

For this lens, right NOW I say wait till Sept 1st rolls by and see IF Canon announce any lenses.

[PiRho]

if you need that focal range. get the lens. even if they announce a new one it will be high priced, and likely not be 'all that much' better. my opinion. get it now if you need it.

[timbop]

if you need that focal range. get the lens. even if they announce a new one it will be high priced, and likely not be 'all that much' better. my opinion. get it now if you need it.

exactly. Not to be an "I told you so" type, but if the 2.8IS is really replaced, you missed out on the lowest price you will ever be able to pay for an f/2.8 70-200 with IS. The mark2 version will easily be well over $2000 (probably in the $2500 range), and the current model is a great lens. If you need it now and have the money, get it.

[bufferbure1]

Ive never been disapointed with new canon lenses when they came out. Especially the L series.

Except 16-35II.. not much better than Mk1 and worst than Nikon 14-24f2.8

[Route246]

I thought the 16-35II was a huge step up, especially with flare and vignetting.

Except 16-35II.. not much better than Mk1 and worst than Nikon 14-24f2.8

[wernersl]

i heard the new lens will be able to autofocus...:rolleyes:

[DBOi]

Another one of those the store manager told me this

If anyone is familiar with Merkle's camera in Toronto, ON the store owner told me it would cost an additional $400 Cdn, MSRP $2600 but probably sell for $2400.

The store manager, now regional manager of Blacks also told me the same thing.

I've ordered a 70-200mm f/2.8 IS and apparently it's on special order from Canon Japan and I've been waiting 6 weeks already. But Currently they are willing to sell me the f/2.8 IS for $1730 with the September 1st rebate. So even if the new lens comes out in september that price i'm paying is awesome for that lense.

[rubber_duckie]

exactly. Not to be an "I told you so" type, but if the 2.8IS is really replaced, you missed out on the lowest price you will ever be able to pay for an f/2.8 70-200 with IS. The mark2 version will easily be well over $2000 (probably in the $2500 range), and the current model is a great lens. If you need it now and have the money, get it.

Thanks for the advice…
Yes, I'm aware of that…
But now the selling price is back to normal meaning is more expensive compare to the rebate.

I’ll get this lens.
Is just a matter, should I get the Mkii or current. (if there a replacement for this lens)

I really hate myseft… Why is this happen now..
Why cant the rebate program is so short….

[rubber_duckie]

Another one of those the store manager told me this

If anyone is familiar with Merkle's camera in Toronto, ON the store owner told me it would cost an additional $400 Cdn, MSRP $2600 but probably sell for $2400.

The store manager, now regional manager of Blacks also told me the same thing.

I've ordered a 70-200mm f/2.8 IS and apparently it's on special order from Canon Japan and I've been waiting 6 weeks already. But Currently they are willing to sell me the f/2.8 IS for $1730 with the September 1st rebate. So even if the new lens comes out in september that price i'm paying is awesome for that lense.


This is a very good deal..!!!!
Where you get this information from?
willing to share this information??

[Route246]

I have resigned myself to getting the MkII, regardless of price. It's just a matter of timing. I need something by 12 Jan 2010 when I depart on a trip which requires it. Throw in the rebate schemes, rumors, timing, etc. and I'm content to wait this one out. I also plan to purchase a 50L for this trip, regardless of price, rebates, etc. Same story, regardless of price, rebates, I have a firm drop dead date when I need it. If you look at my gear list, you can probably tell that I probably don't need either of those prior to my departure (you would be right in making that assumption, BTW).

Thanks for the advice…
Yes, I'm aware of that…
But now the selling price is back to normal meaning is more expensive compare to the rebate.

I’ll get this lens.
Is just a matter, should I get the Mkii or current. (if there a replacement for this lens)

I really hate myseft… Why is this happen now..
Why cant the rebate program is so short….

[Stealthy Ninja]

Rebates now, or save longer. Same thing really.

[J_TULLAR]

well canonrumors reporting no one the 70-200 update ah shucks....lol

[Stealthy Ninja]

well canonrumors reporting no one the 70-200 update ah shucks....lol

Well it's a CR2. But it does seem like it won't be on Sept 1st at least.

I suspect they don't want to take thunder away from the 7D release. So perhaps they'll release it with the 1DIV (hopefully not too long).

I hoping (though the hope fades) that the 70-200 2.8L IS II will be released on 1st Sept.

[djharmonix]

well canonrumors reporting no one the 70-200 update ah shucks....lol

dont worry its coming.

[Stealthy Ninja]

dont worry its coming.

Eventually yeah. I guess sometime before the end of the year.

[J_TULLAR]

To be honest I dont think ones coming... its a newer lens and there are alot of lenses in canons line up that need updates. I think its like the 24-70 IS dream.

[wickerprints]

To be honest I dont think ones coming... its a newer lens and there are alot of lenses in canons line up that need updates. I think its like the 24-70 IS dream.

This lens is not new. The IS version dates from 9/2001 and is therefore 8 years old. The non-IS version, which is basically the same optical formula, is nearly 15 years old. That makes both f/2.8 models among the oldest L zooms.

The corresponding 70-200/4L IS received an update in 2006, giving it fluorite and superior sharpness. Given how insanely popular the 70-200mm series is (and in particular, the 70-200/2.8L IS), it would come as a big surprise to me if Canon *doesn't* update this lens within the next year. The IS could be improved *and* the optics could be redesigned to utilize better glass.

[DBOi]

This is a very good deal..!!!!
Where you get this information from?
willing to share this information??

I went back to the same store and they showed me an E-mail (From their canon rep) indicating that Canon is retracting the $250 CDN on the 70-200mm F/2.8 IS. Don't know if it's true or they just don't want to sell me the lens for $1700+.

I'm waiting for confirmation from another manager from Blacks to see if this is true. Guess we'll all know on tuesday

[Route246]

This is what I thought. I recall reading that it's at least 8 years old and the reason why the F/4 gets better marks for sharpness. I see far more F/2.8 than F/4 when I'm out and about. How do I know? I usually shoot the shooter's gear with my F/4 and pixel peep the guy's gear, just to make sure;-)

This lens is not new. The IS version dates from 9/2001 and is therefore 8 years old. The non-IS version, which is basically the same optical formula, is nearly 15 years old. That makes both f/2.8 models among the oldest L zooms.

The corresponding 70-200/4L IS received an update in 2006, giving it fluorite and superior sharpness. Given how insanely popular the 70-200mm series is (and in particular, the 70-200/2.8L IS), it would come as a big surprise to me if Canon *doesn't* update this lens within the next year. The IS could be improved *and* the optics could be redesigned to utilize better glass.

[djharmonix]

there is no replacement for the 24-70 guys dont waste your hopes!

only a 70-200 2.8L IS and a macro.

[J_TULLAR]

This lens is not new. The IS version dates from 9/2001 and is therefore 8 years old. The non-IS version, which is basically the same optical formula, is nearly 15 years old. That makes both f/2.8 models among the oldest L zooms.

The corresponding 70-200/4L IS received an update in 2006, giving it fluorite and superior sharpness. Given how insanely popular the 70-200mm series is (and in particular, the 70-200/2.8L IS), it would come as a big surprise to me if Canon *doesn't* update this lens within the next year. The IS could be improved *and* the optics could be redesigned to utilize better glass.

actually the 17-40l would be the oldest L zoom built 1987!!!

[wickerprints]

actually the 17-40l would be the oldest L zoom built 1987!!!

Is that the introduction date, or the last revision date? It is the last revision date that we are talking about, since that is what tells you how long the current lens has been around.

[J_TULLAR]

intro date... but wouldnt a revision be a mkII???

[djharmonix]

BTW I was right with the macro 100L so just wait and see about the 70-200L soon.

[wickerprints]

intro date... but wouldnt a revision be a mkII???

Not necessarily. For example, the addition of USM, or change to a wider aperture, would not merit a mkII designation.

[msowsun]

actually the 17-40l would be the oldest L zoom built 1987!!!


According to the "Canon Camera Museum", the 17-40L was first introduced in May 2003. http://www.canon.com/camera-museum/camera/lens/ef/data/wide_zoom/ef_17~40_4l_usm.html

[wickerprints]

According to the "Canon Camera Museum", the 17-40L was first introduced in May 2003. http://www.canon.com/camera-museum/camera/lens/ef/data/wide_zoom/ef_17~40_4l_usm.html (http://www.canon.com/camera-museum/camera/lens/ef/data/wide_zoom/ef_17%7E40_4l_usm.html)

Well then, there you have it! (Didn't think 17-40/4L was from 1987...didn't sound right.) Not as old as the 70-200/2.8L IS. :D

[J_TULLAR]

lol I guess this is what I get for getting my info from canonrumors sigh. Okay then bring the new 70-200 out already canon. I think I will sell my lens......hmm.......

[bigcountry]

i hate to say it, but i told you so. no new 70-200 2.8 IS, maybe tomorrow ;)

[J_TULLAR]

rofl

[PiRho]

of course it'll be released tomorow! just you wait and see, and see, and see, ...

[djharmonix]

i hate to say it, but i told you so. no new 70-200 2.8 IS, maybe tomorrow ;)

calm down, it doesnt have to be announced on the same date

i got the confirmation from every side that its gonna be replaced

[bigcountry]

sure it will be replaced eventually, maybe tomorrow?

[PiRho]

there is always a tomorow for someone!

[Stealthy Ninja]

Well, I'm still waiting for the 70-200 2.8L IS.

But I'm going to get a 100mm 2.8L Macro first (I need a new macro lens).

So it's all good. :D

[PiRho]

Surprisingly I am perfectly happy with my 70-200 ! I know a little more IS wouldn't hurt, and I'm sure they can tweek the AF a little... but I don't really care, in fact I would prefer they didn't upgrade it just so my lens doesn't go down in percieved value* as fast!



* Value is always based on those looking at it. to me the lens has great value, however other people seem to thinkthat when a lens is replaced by a newer one, the older perfectly good lens is now not as good :?:

[DrFil]

Surprisingly I am perfectly happy with my 70-200 ! I know a little more IS wouldn't hurt, and I'm sure they can tweek the AF a little... but I don't really care, in fact I would prefer they didn't upgrade it just so my lens doesn't go down in percieved value* as fast!

* Value is always based on those looking at it. to me the lens has great value, however other people seem to thinkthat when a lens is replaced by a newer one, the older perfectly good lens is now not as good :?:

you are right, the perceived value certainly does go down.

why would somebody now want something when there is a slightly improved version of the same thing. people can easily make a direct comparison and see that one is better than the other. of course, a couple hundred bucks (hopefully) financial penalty..

[Stealthy Ninja]

Surprisingly I am perfectly happy with my 70-200 ! I know a little more IS wouldn't hurt, and I'm sure they can tweek the AF a little... but I don't really care, in fact I would prefer they didn't upgrade it just so my lens doesn't go down in percieved value* as fast!



* Value is always based on those looking at it. to me the lens has great value, however other people seem to thinkthat when a lens is replaced by a newer one, the older perfectly good lens is now not as good :?:

Now just plain selfish. :p

[rubber_duckie]

Canon has announced to 100mm F2.8L HIS USM and selling Price.
But there isn't any sight for 70-200mm F2.8L HIS USM...!!!!

http://cweb.canon.jp/ef/lineup/macro/ef100-f28l/index.html

[Stealthy Ninja]

^^Little bit old news. BUt yeah, where's that 70-200?? ???

[bigcountry]

no new 70-200.

[J_TULLAR]

not for a while anyways....

[PiRho]

check again tomorrow!

[rubber_duckie]

I don't think will happen now... :(

Anyway just go and get this lens without HIS... ;)

[bigcountry]

stealthy ninja, if you were a true ninja, you'd sneak into canon headquarters and get us the prototype...if it even exists!

[J_TULLAR]

yea isnt there a big canon HQ in hongkong Stealthy? Go in batman style and steal the whole lot... then we can find out canons future plans bwahahaha

[Stealthy Ninja]

I could do that, but where would the fun be in waiting. :lol:

I did find out about the 5DII (cryptically) by doing something like that. But the guy who I talked to before wasn't there last time I visited.

[djharmonix]

the new 70-200 mk2 will be announced later this month.

[rubber_duckie]

the new 70-200 mk2 will be announced later this month.

Information from where?
:p

[DarthVader]

He has just said it...that's not enough for you ? :lol:

Information from where?
:p

[rubber_duckie]

He has just said it...that's not enough for you ? :lol:

Need to know where is the source from...that all...;)

[bigcountry]

it's coming tomorrow! * maybe * :)

[Geoffery]

Coming soon - unveiling time btwn Nov 2009 and March 2010 period:

EF 15mm f/2.8L Fisheye USM, EF 24-105mm f/2.8L IS USM and EF 50-200mm f/2.8L IS USM.

[DarthVader]

Possibly from Maeda's mouth :lol:

Need to know where is the source from...that all...;)

[c2thew]

the rumor was announced in july to be forecasted for september. it's already mid september and the 100mm L macro + 7d is out on the market. there would probably be more buzz on the forums if this new lens were to come out.

[chris21908]

i think it would be great, mainly because this will obviously cause the older lenses drop a little in price, which would be good for future 70-200 purchasers :)

[bigcountry]

what a surprise, no lens.

[RyanQ]

Canon doesn't want people to be all over the lens when 7D are just being shipped out?

[krepta]

There is no lens!

(Playing on "There is no spoon"...)

[bigcountry]

oh wait, let's keep this on a positive note....it'll be here tomorrow, *maybe*

[bigcountry]

so it goes to show no one knows what they are talking about, just making up stuff....Lame.

[msowsun]

Hey, there is always October...... Christmas is coming too. :rolleyes:

[booboo]

Mine just arrived!!! hahahaha

some one etched the II on it

[Route246]

I think what it goes to show is that Canon marketing and Canon marketing alone decides when to launch products and decisions are made purely based on their decisions and not on the wishful thinking of some consumers.

There are always going to be products in the pipeline. Some information is leaked and some is kept very tight. The 5DmkII was leaked for months. There are NDAs signed but people still talk. Even Apple can't keep most things secret as hard as they try.

There are people who know what they are talking about. I would not characterize it as no one knows. People know. People have been briefed under NDA. It's just that there are many more factors involved in product launches than you may know about. Canon has been taking the painful measures of shutting down production facilities here in Japan (I'm in Japan this week). They may not have the manpower and capacity for retooling for something like a 70-200 f/2.8L IS II which is a complicated piece of glass. They may have opted to save the money now and launch later when the global economy turns around.

I've toured a Canon factory before. It's not what you may think. It's more like a laboratory. There is a great deal of investment involved to manufacture a high precision product.

I realize your posts here have been tongue-in-cheek but I think your conclusion is just wrong. This is a rumor thread, not a place to post factual information. Rumors are a good place to gain information as long as you treat them as rumors, not facts.

so it goes to show no one knows what they are talking about, just making up stuff....Lame.

[bigcountry]

The 5DmkII was leaked for months.


the info on the 5D Mark II was just throwing darts in the dark....go back and look at the canonrumors site. it wasn't very accurate.

but you have people here posting, not making guesses but stating facts, like its going to be released by the end of sept....

[bigcountry]

the new 70-200 mk2 will be announced later this month.


where is it at?

[Route246]

Are you saying that something posted in a "Rumors" forum was stated as a fact? Come on. Nobody is that gullible. That's why it's call "Rumors" and that's why everything posted in this forum must be treated as such.

Again, you now reference "canonrumors" and criticize the accuracy of what is reported there. I go back to the gullibility issue. It's called "canonrumors" because that's all it is. Unsubstantiated rumors to me are just that. I view them as tea leaves.

Do you know for a fact that there was NOT a plan inside of Canon to do a product launch for a new 70-200 in September? No, you do not know for a fact that there was NOT a plan inside of Canon. You are guessing as much as the people who were guessing the contrary here.

I have been a part of many product launches (in a different market sector) and these decisions are made and changed continually throughout the product development cycle based on many things. I'm guessing that if there was a plan in place for September and if it got deferred it had more to do with plant capacity, retooling budgets and fear of cannibalizing the existing product, rather than what you suggest, which is the outright absence of any legitimacy to the MkII's existence. I am not a marketing person but I've watched how they operate. They are into maximizing shareholder value through increasing sales, profits, market share, goodwill and prestige.

I suggest that you rethink how you read things in rumors forums or blogs. They are just rumors. Treat them as such. Don't take them so seriously and ignore them if they bother you. They are clearly segregated for a reason.

the info on the 5D Mark II was just throwing darts in the dark....go back and look at the canonrumors site. it wasn't very accurate.

but you have people here posting, not making guesses but stating facts, like its going to be released by the end of sept....

[Route246]

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29

You've just been vicimized by one.

Heck, I feel that way too based on my response to you in the previous message.

where is it at?

[cfibanez]

Just for the record. This lens is "back" in Adorama's catalog, some $300 more expensive than what it was a few weeks ago. :confused:

[Route246]

So, if they offer a $200 rebate again for the fall then it will be $100 more than before....

Just for the record. This lens is "back" in Adorama's catalog, some $300 more expensive than what it was a few weeks ago. :confused:

[Stealthy Ninja]

Mmm since it seems that the 1DIV may (MAY) be announced soon, I wonder if the 70-200 2.8L IS will be announced too.

I've asked in stores about the 70-200 2.8L IS so much I can say it really quickly now. :lol:

[tduff]

I keep hoping for this lens to be announced, but now I'm thinking maybe I should just hope for another rebate program...:lol:

[Stealthy Ninja]

I was close to saying "dang it all, I'm just gonna get the current one."

Then ANOTHER rumour pokes up. LOL

Oh well, I spent all the money I saved already (on the 100 2.8L IS, a 32GB iphone and a 28 1.8 ) so I still have time to wait.

:lol:

Now I'd better go and "work hard" so I can "earn" some money. ;)

[J_TULLAR]

http://www.canonrumors.com/2009/10/canon-70-200-f2-8l-is-ii-cr1/

[Route246]

Is this some sort of hoax?

http://www.canonrumors.com/2009/10/canon-70-200-f2-8l-is-ii-cr1/

[J_TULLAR]

Is this some sort of hoax?

its rated CR1 so I wouldnt get my hopes up.

[snowboarder]

somebody from here emailed canonrumors, that would make it CR1...

[Marloon]

PLEASE LET THEM RELEASE A NEW 70-200. PLEASE! THIS LENS NEEDS AN UPDATE BADLY! SIGH...

-need a new IS to keep up with their new 100L
-sharper wide open @ 200.

if they release a new one, i'd definitely be first to buy it!

[krepta]

PLEASE LET THEM RELEASE A NEW 70-200. PLEASE! THIS LENS NEEDS AN UPDATE BADLY! SIGH...

-need a new IS to keep up with their new 100L
-sharper wide open @ 200.

if they release a new one, i'd definitely be first to buy it!Are you certain about that? Sure, it could benefit from a few improvements, but the way you state it makes it sound as if this lens is no good, when in fact it is actually an excellent lens. There are other lenses that are more in need of an update than this one.

[philee]

Ah I hope it's true and will be releasing fairly soon!

[Marloon]

Are you certain about that? Sure, it could benefit from a few improvements, but the way you state it makes it sound as if this lens is no good, when in fact it is actually an excellent lens. There are other lenses that are more in need of an update than this one.

the reason why i dumped this lens was because of the lack of sharpness at its tele end. its a great tool for photographers! and i loved having it but it just needed to be sharper @ f2.8 @ 200mm.

I dont care about the IS the IS is just fine. i was just more impressed by the f4L IS' sharpness. this lens is worth it at 1650, but with the increase in price, people are now wondering if its worth it.

if the new II lens comes, and its valued at 500 dollars more, i wouldnt mind buying it.

PLEASE LET IT RELEASE tonight! PLEASEEE! i am begging you canon! UGHHH! if you do, i'll be the first to preorder it!

[krepta]

the reason why i dumped this lens was because of the lack of sharpness at its tele end. its a great tool for photographers! and i loved having it but it just needed to be sharper @ f2.8 @ 200mm.

I dont care about the IS the IS is just fine. i was just more impressed by the f4L IS' sharpness. this lens is worth it at 1650, but with the increase in price, people are now wondering if its worth it.

if the new II lens comes, and its valued at 500 dollars more, i wouldnt mind buying it.

PLEASE LET IT RELEASE tonight! PLEASEEE! i am begging you canon! UGHHH! if you do, i'll be the first to preorder it!That's true. I usually stop down to f/4 with this lens for portraits, as I like a little more DOF. I have never really needed f/2.8 (I use it when I want to, but so far I haven't had a situation where I absolutely had to use f/2.8 ), but for those like you who may need it, I suppose increased sharpness, especially in the corners, would be welcome.

You might get your wish! --> http://www.canonrumors.com/2009/10/canon-70-200-f2-8l-is-ii-cr1/ :D (http://www.canonrumors.com/2009/10/canon-70-200-f2-8l-is-ii-cr1/)

If it does come out, I will have a hard time deciding whether or not to sell my current one and buy the new one...

[Stealthy Ninja]

Are you certain about that? Sure, it could benefit from a few improvements, but the way you state it makes it sound as if this lens is no good, when in fact it is actually an excellent lens. There are other lenses that are more in need of an update than this one.

LOL predictable current 70-200 2.8L IS owners response. :p :p

:lol:

... snip-a-rooni...

If it does come out, I will have a hard time deciding whether or not to sell my current one and buy the new one...

I spoke to soon?! :shock:

:p

[krepta]

LOL predictable current 70-200 2.8L IS owners response. :p :p

:lol:



I spoke to soon?! :shock:

:pNinja, you know what this calls for, right? Yes, a poll! "Current 70-200 f/2.8L IS owners, will you be upgrading to the new 70-200?" Or something like that, lol. I'll let you handle it. Looking forward to it! :lol:

[Marloon]

OHHH.... i am going to QQ now... :'( no 70-200mm f2.8L IS, not even a new lens! Sigh... LOL

[krepta]

Yep, no new lenses announced with the 1D Mark IV... so far. *hopeful*

[J_TULLAR]

lol til next time I guess :p

[Stealthy Ninja]

Ninja, you know what this calls for, right? Yes, a poll! "Current 70-200 f/2.8L IS owners, will you be upgrading to the new 70-200?" Or something like that, lol. I'll let you handle it. Looking forward to it! :lol:

Just as soon as they release it... waiting... waiting...

Stoopid 1DIV getting in the way. :lol:

Only reason I was interested in following the 1DIV is the suspicion they would release some lenses with it. I can't afford a $4999 body right now so it's totally not interesting for me.

[krepta]

Just as soon as they release it... waiting... waiting...

Stoopid 1DIV getting in the way. :lol:

Only reason I was interested in following the 1DIV is the suspicion they would release some lenses with it. I can't afford a $4999 body right now so it's totally not interesting for me.I can't afford it either (and just bought a 7D), but I still find it interesting. I hope it turns out great for the pros and anyone who ends up purchasing it.

But yes, I was following the 1D Mk IV mostly in hope of seeing one or two new lenses as well! Right now I'm a little bit :(.

Hey, on the good hand, my 70-200 is still on top! Hehehe. :)

[Stealthy Ninja]

LOL yeah, for now at least. :p

Time to start slowly saving for the future release (which century will that be in again?!)


:lol:

[bigcountry]

oh well, maybe tomorrow. :rolleyes:

[krepta]

More fuel to this rumor from CR:
http://www.canonrumors.com/2009/11/lens-rumors-this-week/

The Canon 70-200 2.8 II will see the light of day this side of the year for announcement. Improved optics at 2.8 and new 5 stop IS. It was suppose to be announced with the 1D Mark IV but was delayed slightly. I don’t deal with pricing at all but expect it to be 30% more expensive than the current model.

[djharmonix]

My contact at Canon told me that there will be no 70-200 2.8 IS II before 2010 finally.

It was supposed to be released in september but they delayed the release.

[Stealthy Ninja]

Not before 2010. 2010 is 365 days long, so that's a big timeframe.

But since it was suppose to come out in Sept, I guess it might be early 2010.

Man, I need to save money again. :rolleyes:

[J_TULLAR]

WTF holy avatar ROFL

[Stealthy Ninja]

Avatar Fairy gave it to me. Too funny to take off.

[krepta]

Man, I need to save money again. :rolleyes:What do you mean, again? I thought you had already started saving for this lens! Don't tell me you spent it on something else already, lol!

Avatar Fairy gave it to me. Too funny to take off.Nice little additions you made there. I finally like this one better than your original avatar and the one with the ghost women. :D