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Zivnuska
9th of August 2009 (Sun), 17:27
Fourteen Friday Football Photography Tips
(for first year shooters)

Here are fourteen tips that should help you make your Friday night high school football photography more rewarding and enjoyable for you and your audience. These are directed toward the novice through avid amateur photographer who is familiar with DSLR fundamentals but is relatively new to photographing football. High School football is great fun and there is simultaneous action in several places. Finding the peak action and attempting to capture it with darkness approaching is a worthy challenge for any photographer. The better your knowledge of the game, the more you will be able to anticipate where the action will be.



Tip #1. The Prime Directive--Remember that the game is about the student athletes on the field, not about you, not about your pictures. The hierarchy of courtesy has the student athletes, AD, coaches, officials, parents, and fans all above the photographer. Stay out of the way, blend into the background, be respectful, and if you are told to do something by an official/administrator etc., do it. If you disagree, discuss it later. Build cooperative relationships with those who have authority/responsibility for conducting the game. Talk to the AD ahead of time and learn the local rules for access. Get permission well in advance of the event. Most fields have dashed lines indicating how far you will need to stay back from the field. Don’t push the limits. Did I mention building cooperative relationships with those who have authority/responsibility for conducting the game?



Tip #2. Shoot Early, Early, Early. OK, it’s three tips.


Shoot Early --Games early in the season have far more light than those late in the year. At the beginning of September, sunset is about 8 p.m. in my home town of Wichita, Kansas. At the end of October, the sun is down at 6:30. This difference is huge for the typical high school football game that starts at 7. Shoot the heck out of those early season games. Ambient light images are more compelling than flashed ones and you can use your fps capability. Make life easier for yourself.


Shoot Early [in the game]--Teams in this area will take the field for warm ups at about 5:30. Be ready ahead of time. This is a great opportunity to get individual shots of players up close and personal, and get images of the coaches interacting with players and refs in pre game. You will be able to shoot ambient at lower ISO for the first part of the game. The late afternoon light gives a warm golden glow to skin tones and colors look great too. Keep the sun at your back.

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q225/zivnuska/ISO6400F.jpg
Image 1A. Aug 29, 6:01pm, 420mm, f/4.0, 1/800, ISO 100 Back up QB in warmups . . 1B Give this guy a print. Keep him on your side. Sept 26, 6:34pm, 300, f/2.8 ISO 1600, 1/2500




http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q225/zivnuska/LateSeasonKO.jpg
Image 2. Opening kickoff of the last game of the season. 10/31, 7:04pm flash. Huge light difference from early season. Compare light to images 5 and 8.

All images Canon 1D Mark III with Canon EF 300mm f/2.8 IS or Canon EF 70-200 f/2.8 IS. Image 1A is the 300mm + 1.4TC.



Shoot Early [the pre game]-- Some photogs shoot strictly game action. That is fine. At the high school level, many shooters want to capture the whole event for the yearbook, scrapbooks, etc. There is always a group of people who come early. This includes the booster club folks, the barbeque crew, tailgaters, concession stand workers, announcer, the AD, and color guard. These folks make the game an event and they enjoy pictures of themselves too. Often, they start working between by 5pm. BTW, those who can make your life easy or difficult (AD, coaches) are here now.

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q225/zivnuska/UpdatedComposite.jpg
Image 3. Activity off the field. An integral part of the event or a waste of time? That will depend on your audience/customer and you.




Tip #3. Shoot from behind the end zone if/when you have the reach (long enough lens). Ball carriers will eventually head toward the end zone so you will have the opportunity to see their faces. Shooting from behind the goal post area will allow you to shoot both sides of the field. If you have a shorter length lens, you might want to position yourself near the corner of the end zone. That may mean that you are out of position for some plays but if you anticipate correctly, you might get a terrific shot of a player, end zone, and side line. Include a pylon in the image if you can. Remember this shot from the Super Bowl?
http://images.dailyradar.com/media/uploads/ballhype/story_large/2009/02/04/sports_illustrated_steelers_superbowl.jpg
This is a situation where knowing the team and its tendencies may allow you to anticipate the play and position yourself accordingly.

Shoot through the action and get the “Jube” after a big play! If the defense has the offense backed up against its goal line, this is a great opportunity to shoot defensive players attacking. Can you get the eyes of the middle linebacker?

Having open space behind the subject will minimize background distractions and this is often possible when shooting from behind the end zone.



Tip #4. Shoot portrait orientation predominately unless you are so far away that landscape will still capture the full height of the players. Shoot faces. Capture the ball carrier making a cut. Capture the hit. Shoot Tight. Crop away players not involved in the action. Sharp focus of the main subject is essential. Have that subject fill the image as much as you can. Use long focal lengths to get ‘close.’

[I]“If your pictures aren't good enough, you aren't close enough.”
Robert Capa


http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q225/zivnuska/SplitR.jpg
Image 4. Behind the end zone. Portrait orientation. 300mm, subject fills the frame.



Tip #5. Shooting from the side line? Try 2 yards behind or 15 yards downfield from the line of scrimmage. Two yards behind the line and runners heading wide will run right at you for a good face shot and an official won’t be in your field of view. Good shots of the QB and linemen from here too. Fifteen yards downfield is a good place to capture runners breaking free and receivers catching the ball.

Tip #6. Get low. Shoot from a kneeling position to give the shot added drama. Got a punter backed up to the end line? Lay down on the ground beyond the end line (know how far back you must be) and shoot up. Great power and intensity in that image. It’s a wonderful opportunity to shoot the faces of the players attempting to block that punt.

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q225/zivnuska/RunToDaylight.jpg
Image 5. Low (kneeling), 15 yards + downfield, Landscape capturing full height of players. Sept. 19, 7:38pm, f/3.2, 300mm, ISO 1600, 1/2000.


Tip #7 The technical stuff:

Tip #7.1 Use Av (aperture priority) when the light is changing. That is usually the case up till the point when it is dark and you are shooting flash with manual exposure. If you have experience and the light is stable, you can shoot manual. Initially, keep it simple. Most of the time, I shoot Av with + 1/3 Exposure Compensation to compensate for the shadows inside helmets. People like to see faces.

Tip #7.2 Shoot jpeg, servo focus (your subjects are moving), back button focus, center focus point (because it is the most sensitive) and auto white balance. Large apertures, like f/2.8, give faster SS (shutter speed) and blur backgrounds. At night with flash, I’ll stop down to f/3.5 or f/4.0 to get more DOF (depth of field) since the backgrounds are black and therefore I don’t need to blur them. I'm shooting Manual at the maximum sync speed (often 1/250 sec) for flash.

Tip #7.3 Know your minimum shutter speed (SS) and maximum ISO you will use. My minimum acceptable SS (i.e. slowest SS) is 1/640. Any slower and I know it is time for me to boost ISO to get a quicker SS. Some will shoot as slow as 1/400 second but there will be a bit of ‘softness’ or ‘ghosting’ in action images. Do you know how far you can push the ISO in your camera before the image deteriorates to an unacceptable level for you? Find out. Friday night high school football photography is about managing the transition from sunlight to dark.

Tip #7.4 Night Flash Technique-- Brackets/Monopod Mounts--ETTL vs Manual--Flash above or below the camera--High Speed Sync? (hint: don’t)----That’s for another day. Sorry, that’s a big topic. Here is some advice from a pro.

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=375847

Built in ‘pop-up’ flashes don’t have enough power to be helpful. Something similar to the Canon 580 EX II is needed.


Tip #7.5 The 400mm f/2.8 lens is the supreme field sport lens because of the long reach, sharp images, and large aperture to blur backgrounds and stop action. The 70-200 f/2.8 is commonly seen because of its versatility and lower cost in an f/2.8 lens. The Sigma 120-300mm f/2.8 EX DG HSM Lens is also popular. Pros will often use a big lens on a monopod (300mm and longer) and a shorter lens (often the 70-200) on a second camera body, strapped over a shoulder. Not many amateur shooters can afford the 400 f/2.8 so do the best you can with what you have. Have something with f/2.8 if at all possible. Changing from an f/2.8 lens to an f/4.0 lens reduces light by half and that means slower shutter speeds, more difficulty in low light focusing, and the backgrounds will be more distracting due to less bokeh (background blur). All are undesirable changes for football photography.

Image stabilization (IS) is not as important at the fast shutter speeds used in sports. At least one of your lenses should be 200mm or longer.



BONUS TIP--BONUS TIP--BONUS TIP For you shooters with high ISO cameras!
The new generation of high ISO cameras ( ISO 6400; 12,800; 25,600) are wonderful but are not the total answer to night football. Flash photography is still required at most high school venues. Before you try shooting in extremely low light at these high ISOs, you must consider the quality of the light at your stadium.

In the middle of the field, it is possible to get good high ISO football action shots without flash at some high school football fields. At my home field, the light poles (two on each side) are at the 12 yard line (extended). Between the 20s, I will try shooting some shots without flash at ISO 6400. Because the players are getting light from all sides, the light will be relatively even, resulting in pleasing images.

Closer to the end zone, uneven lighting creates shadows that make images unacceptable, even with high ISOs. Image 6B is not good enough. Look at the leg of #87 and compare that to photo 6A. This is near the goal line. There is no light coming from the end zone side of the players. This shot (6B) needed flash.

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q225/zivnuska/Refined.jpg
6A. Midfield: ISO 6400 image between the light poles. 1/800 sec. 300mm . . 6B. Goal Line, heavy shadows, unacceptable. 1/640 sec, 105mm




Tip #8 Moving from one end of the field to the other? [Remember the team benches are between the 25s] Capture some sideline shots along the way. Get pics of coaches coaching or players with intense expressions. Look for emotion on the sideline.

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q225/zivnuska/TheBoys.jpg
Image 7. Moving past the bench area. These photos were taken 9 seconds apart. August 29, 7:35pm, f2.8, 300mm, ISO 1600, 1/2500. The parents loved these.

Tip #9. Photograph the linemen. Every play has action in the line. Most people have no idea how violent/intense/aggressive the play can be. Capture the pushing, holding, grabbing, choking. It will be a revelation for many and appreciated by the families of these players. It can be tough to get faces but it can be done. Don’t limit yourself to just shooting the ball.


Tip #10. Special teams often create big plays. You might shoot 10 punts that yield nothing and then you capture the block that changes the game. Shoot first, ask questions later. If you wait until you see someone block the punt, you are too late. Another idea: ask the coach or a player, “Who are are big hitters on kickoffs and punt coverage?” Track them heading downfield. This can be an opportunity to capture a crushing block in an area of open field or a big hit on a running back. Anticipate the action.

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q225/zivnuska/PuntBlock.jpg
Image 8. Shoot first, ask questions later. Sept 5, 7:35pm, 200mm, f/2.8, ISO 1600, 1/2500. How will you keep your camera from focusing on #53?


Tip #11 Stay Late. Get the last player walking off the field. Capture the Mom hugging her 6’4” 260 lb. son. Preserve the image of the happy/dejected coach talking to his players.

Tip #12. Support the Program. Ask the Coach: Is there anyone of whom you would like to have a picture? Do you need some prints? Any seniors who haven’t gotten recognition who I should shoot? What about a picture slide show for the awards banquet? How can I help? Be viewed as an asset to the program. This will help your photographer colleagues when we follow you and want access or cooperation. Every year, field access issues get more complicated. Building a reservoir of good will and professionalism helps you and all of us.

The Last Tip: Have a plan. During my first year of shooting football, I would develop a plan for each game. This was condensed to a few points listed on a 3 x 5 card kept in my pocket. Keep it simple. Example:


Pre game--New coach, lots of shots of him--Color guard = wounded Iraq vet/grad

Visitors #17, all state--Coach wants Offensive line pics--Parents of 7,23, 88, 89 want pics

Hitters: #33 punt team, #56 KO, #66 KO return

Flash: M, 1/250, ETTL + 1 1/3, ISO 800, f/3.5, 580 EX II



That’s enough for now. There wasn’t much talk about gear, flash, or post processing. Those are big topics in themselves. Nonetheless, I hope you’ve gotten several useful bits of information. Have fun and support the athletes.

Incidentally, after you master the ‘rules’ there will come a time to break the rules (except #1!). There will be situations where you will want to change the focus point, try an unusual (creative) angle, shoot Manual rather than Av, or RAW rather than jpeg. Don’t be afraid to experiment. Try new things, evaluate the results, and learn from your efforts. Have a mentor(s). Many experienced photographers are very kind in helping with advice. Internet forums, advanced photographer friends/acquaintances, and local newspaper photo journalists are sources for guidance.



Phil Zivnuska

bnorm27
9th of August 2009 (Sun), 17:38
Great stuff! Thanks for sharing!!

Sports_Dude
9th of August 2009 (Sun), 17:39
Nice write up! Thanks.

Mike R
9th of August 2009 (Sun), 18:45
Great job! This should be required reading of all new shooters before going to their first game. Can't think of anything to add.

Kiddo
9th of August 2009 (Sun), 19:31
EXCELLENT thread!! Thanks for sharing!!!

gotbob
9th of August 2009 (Sun), 19:53
SUPERB. Thanks for the education.

Palladium
9th of August 2009 (Sun), 19:58
Let's not forget about the New Pocketwizards - night time sports flash photography is about to change - TTL Off Camera Flash with SS higher than your camera flash sync is about to change.

IMHO - either get on the PW bus or get left behind :lol:

xochi2
9th of August 2009 (Sun), 20:34
Wonderful guidelines/advice! Wish I had this reading when I first started (centuries ago)!

Naturalist
9th of August 2009 (Sun), 20:46
Top notch job Phil! Your images along with the description is perfect.

This is one of those reasons I just love this site. Not to oooh and aaah over other's work but to gain insite into the strategy of the business.

Thank you.

ChunkyDA
9th of August 2009 (Sun), 22:38
Very nice Phil. Every tip worth the money. **Sticky**
I shoot the water girls, student trainers icing down a knee, students in the rowdy section, everyone wants a picture of themselves.
I try to help the other photogs along the sideline when I am down there. One mom uses a flash with diffuser, another dad has no idea how to use anything other than the green running man. Keep it friendly and helpful at the middle and high school games for everyone's sake.

davethejnz
9th of August 2009 (Sun), 22:55
Thank you for such an informative posting.

I shoot mainly soccer and rugby and all 14 points you make apply equally to those sports as well

THANK YOU

Mike R
10th of August 2009 (Mon), 06:00
Very nice Phil. Every tip worth the money. **Sticky**
I shoot the water girls, student trainers icing down a knee, students in the rowdy section, everyone wants a picture of themselves.
I try to help the other photogs along the sideline when I am down there. One mom uses a flash with diffuser, another dad has no idea how to use anything other than the green running man. Keep it friendly and helpful at the middle and high school games for everyone's sake.

Another vote to make it a sticky.

Big K
10th of August 2009 (Mon), 12:20
Phil,

Excellent summary. Very well thought out, organized and written. Below are a couple of comments I would add to your thoughts.

Tip 1 - Make that last sentence bold and in about 200 point type. :-)

Tip 3 - You might expand on the importance of anticipating the next play in order to increase your chance of getting a great shot. Does the team tend to run or pass? Do they tend to go to the left or right? Does one player get the ball consistently or do they spread it around to multiple players? Keep track of what down it is and how far they have to go for a first down. 3rd and long increases the odds it will be a pass play 3 and 1 increases the odds of a run. Etc., Etc.

Tip 5 - This is also heavily influenced by which lens you are using. Someone with only a 70-200 will need to set up differently than someone with a 300 or 400. The 2 yard/15 yard setups you mentioned work well with a 300 but are too close in most cases if you are using a 400 unless you are shooting super tight, which I personally like to do.

Also if you are using a prime instead of a zoom, be sure and allow for the action moving toward or away from you after the play starts. This was the one of the challenges I battled when I first started shooting with a 400. I would set up to optimize the framing before the play and once the action started the players were closer to me and feet, tops of helmets, etc. began to get cropped off.

Tip 7.2 - I shoot everything in RAW mainly because it gives me more flexibility to adjust white balance once your main light is coming from the terribly inconsistent field lights. This is a personal preference and not meant to say jpeg is not the right way to go.

Tip 7.3 - Again, a personal preference, but I define my minimum SS as 1/800 for football. If I can't stay above this with ISO adjustments I will either drop way down to 1/200 or less and work on panning shots or spend more of my time shooting sidelines and non action type shots.

Tip 8 - I love the tight shots on the sidelines but find they turn out better shot at f/4 or even f/5.6 especially with a long lens. The DOF is so thin that it is hard to get sharp focus on the face/eyes especially if your AF picks up on the shoulder or side of the player. The more sweat, dirt, blood and emotion, the better.

Regarding 7.4, I have always been against HSS with sports but after seeing this, I am strongly reconsidering. Scroll down and read/see image 9 and 10. WOW!! Granted, he is doing this with about $4k worth of speedlights and an $8k camera, but again, WOW!!

http://www.daveblackphotography.com/workshop/07-2009.html

Again, great post and hope my comments help expand on your outstanding start. Football starts here on Friday and I CAN NOT WAIT!! I am as far west in the eastern time zone as possible so it does not get dark here now until about 9pm.

Big K
10th of August 2009 (Mon), 12:20
Oh, and +1 on the recommendation to make this a sticky.

Zivnuska
10th of August 2009 (Mon), 13:13
Thanks everyone for the comments.

Kevin,

As usual, your comments are extremely helpful and insightful. Thanks for making the point about adjustments for using the 400 f/2.8 vs 200mm. Everyone will need to adapt my suggestions to accommodate lens length, ISO levels available, and zoom vs prime lens. Like you, I prefer faster shutter speeds if conditions permit.

Your comment about Tip #1 is right on. One characteristic of top shooters is that they cultivate positive relationships in their dealings with SIDs, ADs, coaches, and others. We photographers all need to cultivate a positive image in order to preserve and improve access to events. We a colleagues much more than competitors.

I'll probably tweak the presentation after hearing from other top shooters like Dennis and incorporate your advice and theirs. There is plenty to learn and mentoring via the internet helps me and others improve. With a little luck, this thread will ease the learning curve for others starting out.

Don't hesitate to add other ideas.

Thanks again Kevin.

Phil

PS---I'm also pumped and can't wait! Love that high school football.

PPS---Like you, I'm on the west side of the time zone. I considered mentioning that but thought no one would figure out the significance. I should have guessed that you would be aware and consciously use that fact in your shooting strategy. ;)

Zivnuska
10th of August 2009 (Mon), 13:42
Let me expand on Kevin's point about knowing a team's tendencies and how it can help you.

The high school team that I shoot most often has a 'Hail Mary' play designed to get a last second desperation touchdown. Most teams have such a play. Because I have an excellent relationship with the coach and try to be helpful to the program, he lets me shoot anywhere, anytime. This includes practice and the locker room before the game, halftime, and post game. He also tells me if a trick play is planned and the details of who, when, and where the play will be used. Back to the 'Hail Mary' pass. Because of the positive relationship with the coach, I know which side of the field the pass will be thrown to, the planned deception and who the eventual intended receiver will be. It doesn't matter who the ends are or what the wind is doing. That play will be run in a specific manner by that team. It's what they practice, what the coach believes in, and what they will do this year.

That's nice to know! I will be in position to shoot that potential game winning pass and be focused on the correct player. Guaranteed.

Phil

snyderman
10th of August 2009 (Mon), 14:16
Thank you Phil. Very timely and helps me immensely as a first timer this fall.

dave

Sledhed
10th of August 2009 (Mon), 14:22
You give 14 tips but failed to mention Rule #1 - Don't get hit!

gconda
10th of August 2009 (Mon), 17:23
awesome thread ! We also need one for season ticket holders at NFL Games. I'm considering the 300f4 + 1.4 on my 40D

dmwierz
10th of August 2009 (Mon), 19:04
Kevin:

Regarding 7.4, I have always been against HSS with sports but after seeing this, I am strongly reconsidering. Scroll down and read/see image 9 and 10. WOW!! Granted, he is doing this with about $4k worth of speedlights and an $8k camera, but again, WOW!!

http://www.daveblackphotography.com/...p/07-2009.html

Well, Dave is using EIGHT (2x4 Square) SB-900 speedlights (or one 4 Square with each SB at +2.0 power level), which reduces the chances that you'll get ghosting, which is one of the major drawbacks to using HSS (since it drastically reduces the flash output power).

Dave Black is a lighting wizard, so I can't really disagree with him or his techniques, but I'd venture a guess he could have also gotten very similar results with one or two standard strobe lights (duration around 1/2000s) firing straight at the subjects. But one of the big points about him using the 4 Square product is that it uses battery-powered speedlights thus removing the need to buy strobes and to find electricity in the field.

dmwierz
10th of August 2009 (Mon), 19:06
Oh, and Phil, based on my first browsing of your post, it looks pretty good. I'll take another look when I get the chance.

Dennis

Big K
10th of August 2009 (Mon), 20:52
Dave Black is a lighting wizard, so I can't really disagree with him or his techniques, but I'd venture a guess he could have also gotten very similar results with one or two standard strobe lights (duration around 1/2000s) firing straight at the subjects.

Given the amount of ambient light still in the picture I'm not sure how would he be able to eliminate ghosting if he was shooting at a sync speed of 1/250 regardless of the flash duration especially given the speed they are traveling.

Zivnuska
10th of August 2009 (Mon), 21:46
Oh, and Phil, based on my first browsing of your post, it looks pretty good. I'll take another look when I get the chance.

Dennis

Thanks Dennis. Your insights will be greatly appreciated.

Phil



For those of you not familiar with Dennis Wierzbicki, he is one of the nation's premier sport shooters and has covered several sports at the top professional levels. He has always been gracious in sharing his knowledge with the forum (and me).

Check out his work

http://www.pbase.com/dmwierz45/sports_shots

http://www.sportsshooter.com/port_popup.html?mem_id=6550&i_id=840845

and his podcasts
http://web.mac.com/dmwierz1/Site/Podcast/Podcast.html

USMCWayne
11th of August 2009 (Tue), 11:31
Excellent advice.

I've been shooting high school sports for "awhile" Your list of tips and techniques are very helpful and a good reminder for things that are sometimes second nature, but also things that I've sort of gotten away from.

First practice is Aug 17, and our first game is Sept 4. Certainly not too early to start making plans for the upcoming season.

Thanks again for this.

Sauk
11th of August 2009 (Tue), 19:27
I learned most of my shooting tech's from Dennis as well.

The most important thing I learned is to experiment till you are happy. Last year I went from 2.8 to as high as 7 for an F stop.

I also went from ISO 800 to ISO 1600.

High school football is frustrating but it is also fun in that you get to experiment and challenge yourself.

Have fun and push yourself to the limits!

ProwlingTiger
13th of August 2009 (Thu), 18:39
I started out managing and filming (two cameras at once :D ) for my high school football team outside of Wichita, KS. That was 3 years ago. Of course I did photography where I could, but I didn't really get into sports photography until a year ago.

This year, I'm writing for the K-State Collegian and will be on the sidelines Friday night, for the first time with a camera in hand (shot sports before, never football).

I have a decent setup currently, apart from borrowing my dad's 580EXII. Is flash required to get the shots as the light dims? I suppose it would depend on the stadium lighting, just curious though. Not a problem one way or another :D

dmwierz
13th of August 2009 (Thu), 20:00
Is flash required to get the shots as the light dims

This is pretty subjective, and actually the topic of a LONG thread that goes back almost 2 years:

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=375847

DavidG.
15th of August 2009 (Sat), 17:48
Thank you Zivnuska, I have printed out what you have said in your first post as I find it most helpful to this second year football shooter for my HS alma mater's yearbook.

SC_Highlander
15th of August 2009 (Sat), 19:42
Great advice. Thanks for posting!

SwiftFootTim
18th of August 2009 (Tue), 09:39
Great advice here, and I can only second what Phil had to say as well. If you primarily cover one team, which I'm assuming most of us in rural America do. Pay attention to their plays, the run game is a huge opportunity to get shots of backs running to the sidelines or breaking through the tackle/end hole which can lead to a nicely framed shot. If you see which backs run in sometimes you can also figure out what play is going to happen.

I'm definitely going to try the punt shooting tips you had, I always shot from the side or a little in front of the punter last year but an endzone shot of the back of the punter with rushers coming could be quite stunning indeed!

As for lighting, for those of you worried about shooting ambient due to a lack of flash, it not being permitted, etc, I was worried about using a flash as well in that I would annoy the fans. You'd be surprised that most often I asked my parents, who were watching my brother play, knew I was on the sideline shooting, and were almost in a straight line beyond me and the play, did not notice that I had in fact been using flash. The head coach of my local HS team tells me to use it always and don't worry unless the refs say to stop using it.

Great writeup and good luck to all you local photogs, season starts next week here!

Rocketdun
18th of August 2009 (Tue), 19:38
Phil

Thanks for your advice and the photos not only is the advice well written, and the photos that accompanied were great and went well with your post. I have shot a great many football games, the advice to shoot early in the season, early in the game was great.
One thing I did not realize was flash was so vital in night time football games.

My hats off to ya thanks again

Rocketdun

dmwierz
19th of August 2009 (Wed), 06:48
I'm definitely going to try the punt shooting tips you had, I always shot from the side or a little in front of the punter last year but an endzone shot of the back of the punter with rushers coming could be quite stunning indeed!

Sometimes, anywhere far enough behind the punter can be effective:
http://www.pbase.com/dmwierz45/image/102023149.jpg

Chicago Bears wide receiver Brandon Lloyd (80-L) blocks a punt off the leg of San Francisco 49ers punter Andy Lee (4-R) during the second half of an NFL game between the Bears and the 49ers at Soldier Field, won by San Francisco 37-30.
Focal Length 400 mm
Exposure Time1/2000 sec
Aperture f/2.8
ISO Equivalent1600
Exposure Bias+1/3

I wish this play had happened during the daylight portion of the evening as I got absolute no detail in Lloyd's face. Oh well.

Phil, there's not much more I can add to your OP in this thread. I especially like the idea of having a plan. You can go to online sites like Ravials.com and MaxPreps.com to look to the teams' rosters and see if any highly-touted players are on either of the teams.

Another hint you touched on (and one I have to CONSTANTLY remind myself to do): shoot through the play and STOP CHIMPING so much! I can't tell you how many great shots I've missed 'cuz I stopped shooting to look at the LCD. Dumb and dumber on my part. There is ALWAYS time to chimp between plays! Some games, I've covered the LCD with gaffer's tape, but even then I've cheated by peeking underneath ;)

Zivnuska
19th of August 2009 (Wed), 08:38
... ...STOP CHIMPING so much!

Some games, I've covered the LCD with gaffer's tape, but even then I've cheated by peeking underneath ;)
LOL, LOL, LOLbw!
How wonderfully human!

Thank you Dennis for all the advice over the last two years. Your podcasts are great and it would be wonderful if you produce more of those someday.

BTW, incredible timing on the blocked punt. Wow.

Phil

kb9tdj
19th of August 2009 (Wed), 10:15
....
Another hint you touched on (and one I have to CONSTANTLY remind myself to do): shoot through the play and STOP CHIMPING so much! I can't tell you how many great shots I've missed 'cuz I stopped shooting to look at the LCD. Great advice! Either you caught the play or you didn't...chimping isn't going to change that fact.

gconda
20th of August 2009 (Thu), 21:22
Sometimes, anywhere far enough behind the punter can be effective:


Chicago Bears wide receiver Brandon Lloyd (80-L) blocks a punt off the leg of San Francisco 49ers punter Andy Lee (4-R) during the second half of an NFL game between the Bears and the 49ers at Soldier Field, won by San Francisco 37-30.
Focal Length 400 mm
Exposure Time1/2000 sec
Aperture f/2.8
ISO Equivalent1600
Exposure Bias+1/3

I wish this play had happened during the daylight portion of the evening as I got absolute no detail in Lloyd's face. Oh well.

Phil, there's not much more I can add to your OP in this thread. I especially like the idea of having a plan. You can go to online sites like Ravials.com and MaxPreps.com to look to the teams' rosters and see if any highly-touted players are on either of the teams.

Another hint you touched on (and one I have to CONSTANTLY remind myself to do): shoot through the play and STOP CHIMPING so much! I can't tell you how many great shots I've missed 'cuz I stopped shooting to look at the LCD. Dumb and dumber on my part. There is ALWAYS time to chimp between plays! Some games, I've covered the LCD with gaffer's tape, but even then I've cheated by peeking underneath ;)


Wonderful shot !! I've got season tix this year and will be testing my new 300mm f/4L this sat !

dmwierz
20th of August 2009 (Thu), 21:57
Wonderful shot !! I've got season tix this year and will be testing my new 300mm f/4L this sat !

I'll be at Soldier Field myself, roaming the sidelines.

Have a good time!

ducklabdad
21st of August 2009 (Fri), 17:55
Wonderful thread! This thread is the type thing that makes this site so wonderful.

Many of your tips can certainly apply to most all sports event shooting!!

Thanks,

MT Stringer
25th of August 2009 (Tue), 14:03
Well, I just reread this thread for the third time! Thanks everyone for contributing your thoughts and tips. I shot my first game of the season last Friday and hope to improve upon the quality this coming Friday night.

NOTE: I missed all of the fall sports last year due to Hurricane Ike damage to our house and health problems that also forced me to the sideline. Soooo, I'm pretty rusty.

Thanks again for all the helpful info.
Mike

bobbyz
27th of August 2009 (Thu), 09:55
Thanks for putting these tips. Can't wait for the football season to start in 2 weeks.

MizzouMan_2000
30th of August 2009 (Sun), 17:44
I shot a game yesterday & was trying to use Aperature Priority mode because the sun was playing peek-a-boo in & out of the clouds. However, I got frustrated with the variations I was seeing and went back to shooting Manual. I was wondering which metering mode do you use?

Thanks!

gconda
1st of September 2009 (Tue), 01:35
Wonderful shot !! I've got season tix this year and will be testing my new 300mm f/4L this sat !


LOL !!!!!!!! Got to the stadium and had to put my cam in the car !!! :(

Told me cam had to be less than 6 inches long !!!

now what to do...?

Chairman7w
2nd of September 2009 (Wed), 21:17
Awesome post, thank you for this!

clarence
3rd of September 2009 (Thu), 08:00
LOL !!!!!!!! Got to the stadium and had to put my cam in the car !!! :(

Told me cam had to be less than 6 inches long !!!

now what to do...?

I like the 200/2.8L and 1.4x TC combo... this still gives you 300/4 and L prime quality at <6" (leave the TC detached when going through the gate).

gconda
4th of September 2009 (Fri), 12:06
I like the 200/2.8L and 1.4x TC combo... this still gives you 300/4 and L prime quality at <6" (leave the TC detached when going through the gate).

Thank you !

bobbyz
5th of September 2009 (Sat), 22:43
Guys, need some help in regards to shooting positions.

#1 problem, unless you know the teams it is very hard to know which side is strong and who the main players are. How do you guys handle this when shooting different games?

#2 Being handicapped, I can't run from one side to the other. I will move along the sidelines but action ends up happening on the wrong side. My best shots have been when I stayed put behind the goal line. What do you guys do? What is good positions to shoot from? In NFL, college etc, I have seen mostly from end zones with long glass. But with flash one can only shoot so far.

QuanJ
6th of September 2009 (Sun), 16:53
To Phil, Dennis and everyone else that contributed to this great post....my hat is off to you. This was very insightful and after starting in my second yr. shooting HS football for a local paper, the "little things" in this article are excellent!! Great stuff!! Much success to all trying to always improve!!

pantherphotos
10th of September 2009 (Thu), 07:37
+1

I agree completely. This is my first time shooting HS football, and I've read this thread twice and will re-read it many times more. I may follow the example of someone else and print the first post out and carry it in my camera bag, to remind me before each game. Thanks for taking the time to write this out and to everyone else who has contributed!

Sauk
10th of September 2009 (Thu), 09:47
Guys, need some help in regards to shooting positions.

#1 problem, unless you know the teams it is very hard to know which side is strong and who the main players are. How do you guys handle this when shooting different games?

#2 Being handicapped, I can't run from one side to the other. I will move along the sidelines but action ends up happening on the wrong side. My best shots have been when I stayed put behind the goal line. What do you guys do? What is good positions to shoot from? In NFL, college etc, I have seen mostly from end zones with long glass. But with flash one can only shoot so far.

Bobby,

What I do is not worry about specific players, I will have a gameplan of shooting certain sides of the ball during certain quarters. I will for one drive shoot from behind the offense and either get an offensive guy or a defensive guy(s).

Then I will concentrate on far away shots of a running back or a quarterback throwing the ball from a downfield shooting position.

Once they get inside the 30 I will try and move to the endzone to shoot the offense coming into the redzone.

If they score I will continue to stay there and shoot the defensive players, defensive backs and defensive lineman rushing.

To me I just break it up into quarters on what my plan of attack is. Of course if you are shooting for a newspaper that plan might be much different then mine :)

But just take a quarter or a few drives and only concentrate your lens on certain groups.

That way by the end of the game you have everyone covered, not just the quarterback and running back lol

Some examples:

Offense coming at me

http://801images.zenfolio.com/img/v4/p819908478-3.jpg

Defensive players same position

http://801images.zenfolio.com/img/v3/p854113660-3.jpg

bobbyz
10th of September 2009 (Thu), 20:39
Thanks Matt.

Karla Happy-Powell
13th of September 2009 (Sun), 20:38
Thank you I will print this off. My son plays football and I'm just starting to do photographer so this will help me out alot. Thank you so very much for sharing this information with us.

Bioshock
2nd of October 2009 (Fri), 15:41
Wow, these are all such great tips/advice. Thanks to everyone for sharing their expertise.

Bezoar
5th of October 2009 (Mon), 09:23
Excellent article! Where can one find your other articles concerning post processing etc. ? Thanks again.

DJ Paris
9th of October 2009 (Fri), 11:16
fell of great info ty

ckundred
10th of October 2009 (Sat), 08:23
I agree with others these are great tips and I appreciate you taking the time to write them down and share with us.

Zivnuska
10th of October 2009 (Sat), 11:03
Thanks guys. The kind words are very much appreciated. I hope it helped.

Phil

Television
13th of October 2009 (Tue), 21:30
great read, ive been experimenting taking high school football lately :)

Bronko52
12th of August 2010 (Thu), 17:26
As we all know HS puts us in all kinds of weather elements. This will be my first year shooting HS FB in NE ohio and we get hit with everything. What are some things I can do to protect my equipment from rain/snow or tips for shooting in these elements? I am shooting with a rebel xsi and a 70-200mm f/2.8

Mike R
12th of August 2010 (Thu), 21:28
As we all know HS puts us in all kinds of weather elements. This will be my first year shooting HS FB in NE ohio and we get hit with everything. What are some things I can do to protect my equipment from rain/snow or tips for shooting in these elements? I am shooting with a rebel xsi and a 70-200mm f/2.8

Get a package of the Op/Tech Rainsleeve. They also make a version for use with a flash. They're inexpensive and do the job. If it's raining too hard for them, the game will probably be postponed anyway. You should also have hand warmers available.

asysin2leads
12th of August 2010 (Thu), 22:53
Think Tank (http://www.thinktankphoto.com/categories/camera-rain-covers.aspx) makes nice wet weather gear, too, but are a little pricey. If you ever find yourself in SW Ohio, give me a shout.

Bronko52
13th of August 2010 (Fri), 18:11
has anybody had experience with the stromjacket?

JohnR84740
14th of August 2010 (Sat), 21:31
I have several brands of rain gear, and you know what I use most of the time? A plastic grocery bag. It is easy to put on and maneuver with, and works in light to moderate rain. If it is heavy, I go with my Aquatech, but that is not very usable with zoom lenses.

For the flash, I wrap it in a ziplock sandwich bag, and tape it closed. I am wrapped in an oversized gore-tex rain suit. Oversized so that I can protect the gear if it gets really bad!

+50 to the hand warmers!

pantherphotos
16th of August 2010 (Mon), 09:23
+ 1 to the plastic grocery bag. Of course, I now have the 1D2 and 70-200 f/2.8L IS, so I'm pretty good to go! But plastic bags and ziplock bags work great, are cheap, and easy to use!

~Devils~
23rd of August 2010 (Mon), 02:53
New photographer here, I'ved used some of the tips in this post to shoot Australian rugby league football. I spend $300 for a 10D & lens on ebay so I wasnt expecting much.
How can I get a consistent bokeh effect, my image quality seems all over the place. I'm shooting in 'sports mode' because Av mode doesnt seem to get focus lock.


http://brothers.org.au/images/stories/Brothers/people/img_2271.jpg
10D, EF 75-300mm II f/4-5:6 (I now learn this is a crap lens), F5.7, 1/1500 sec.
Late afternoon in the Australian winter so I've tried some post processing.

http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/7665/img1963.jpg
10D, EF 75-300mm II f/4-5:6 (I now learn this is a crap lens), F8, 1/1500 sec.
Morning light, good bokeh.

Bronko52
23rd of August 2010 (Mon), 08:48
Think Tank (http://www.thinktankphoto.com/categories/camera-rain-covers.aspx) makes nice wet weather gear, too, but are a little pricey. If you ever find yourself in SW Ohio, give me a shout.

Thanks brother! And SW Ohio maybe just maybe come playoff time otherwise I'm here in NE Ohio!

bentlax33
23rd of August 2010 (Mon), 15:29
Does anyone still use a 20d for night football or is the high ISO too noisy?

MizzouMan_2000
23rd of August 2010 (Mon), 20:16
Two things are going to affect your bokeh (actually 3, but 2 of them work together)
1. Aperature - Keep your aperature wide open.
2 & 3. Distance to subject and focal length - The bokeh at 5.6 is going to look better at 300mm than it is at 75 mm assuming the distance to the subject is the same in at both focal lengths. In your first shot, the lens was at 75mm and f8 aperature - that's going to give you a sizeable depth of field. I don't know the exact parameters of this shot, but let's say you were 30 feet from the players. Then at 30 ft, 75mm and f/8 with a 10D you would have 15.6 ft for your depth of field - 5.9 ft in front of the player is in focus and 9.7 ft behind (this is from the DOF calculator at http://www.dofmaster.com/dofjs.html). Your second shot was at 300mm and f/5.6 - so you had two things working in your favor - the long focal length and the and using the wide-open aperature of the lens at 300mm. Let's say you were 30ft from these guys again. Using the settings of your camera in the second shot, you would only have 0.63ft depth of field. Much narrower thus better bokeh.

New photographer here, I'ved used some of the tips in this post to shoot Australian rugby league football. I spend $300 for a 10D & lens on ebay so I wasnt expecting much.
How can I get a consistent bokeh effect, my image quality seems all over the place. I'm shooting in 'sports mode' because Av mode doesnt seem to get focus lock.


http://brothers.org.au/images/stories/Brothers/people/img_2271.jpg
10D, EF 75-300mm II f/4-5:6 (I now learn this is a crap lens), F5.7, 1/1500 sec.
Late afternoon in the Australian winter so I've tried some post processing.

http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/7665/img1963.jpg
10D, EF 75-300mm II f/4-5:6 (I now learn this is a crap lens), F8, 1/1500 sec.
Morning light, good bokeh.

Methodical
17th of July 2011 (Sun), 12:20
I played with the 500 at one LL game from behind the punter in the endzone. This was one of 2 teams that actually punted the ball, so I said to myself that I would focus on it and I got this photo. I will definitely focus more on it this year if the young'ns punt more.

http://methodical.zenfolio.com/img/v25/p427372279-5.jpg

dirtylens
18th of July 2011 (Mon), 15:57
Thanks Phil! Cant wait to use all this on the field!

Zivnuska
15th of August 2011 (Mon), 05:31
Thanks Phil! Cant wait to use all this on the field!

I'm jealous of those of you who will start this weekend. We're losing about 2 minutes of light per day this time of year and I won't have any games till September 2. Shoot those early games and enjoy the daylight while you can.



This:
.http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q225/zivnuska/ArkCityatValley104of707.jpg


Changes to this:
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q225/zivnuska/2011/ZZIV8275-Edit-Edit.jpg


and becomes this:
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q225/zivnuska/2011/ZZIV9957-Edit.jpg

all too soon!


I can't wait to get started.

Phil

Strnge
28th of August 2011 (Sun), 00:05
Thanks for posting!

USMCWayne
29th of August 2011 (Mon), 13:27
We just moved to Texas a month ago, and I finally got to experience first-hand the spectacle (in a very, very good way) that is Texas High School football. Weatherford is a 5A school in a "notably difficult district with five tough Arlington schools and perennial NFL-quality players".

I covered my first game this past Friday night, and was very happy with the overall results. I'm still shooting with my old reliable f4 70-200 but the big difference was I was able to shoot the entire game with that lens, instead of swapping out to a smaller faster lens as the light faded. The stadium lights were exceptional.

As far as more tips, I'm still a big proponent of a good monopod and keeping your eye in the viewfinder and your finger on the shutter release.

After touchdowns, I always take a shot of the scoreboard, for cutline purposes.

I'm always wandering the home sidelines, but I usually shoot offense about ten yards down from the line of scrimmage, as it allows me to get players faces instead of the backs of their heads (something I see way too often in publication). Same for defense, about ten yards behind the line of scrimmage, so as to get some defenders faces.

When "my" defense or offense is close to the end zone, that's where I'm usually positioning myself. No messy backgrounds and, again, players coming towards the lens.

The Weatherford Roos (Kangaroos) face off at home this coming Friday with the two-time defending 4A state champions Aledo Bearcats. Aledo features Jonathan Gray, the top-ranked high school running back in the United States and a signee with the University of Texas. Gray scored eight TD's in last season's state championship game, so I expect plenty of offense.

bobbyz
29th of August 2011 (Mon), 14:18
I have been shooting mostly portraits this yr so with football starting soon I thought I will ask a question. I always used "Focus Priority" on my 1dmk2 which drops the fps (not that I shoot 8fps all the time). But then I heard I should be using "Drive Priority" as I am in AI servo mode. I tried that one dance competition and my keeper rate was quite low. So I am back to focus priority mode but just a question what do most folks use?

Thanks in advance.

Methodical
29th of August 2011 (Mon), 18:21
I used focus priority mostly in the past and read some sports photographer's page on drive priority, so I have been experimenting with drive priority with non-sports related shots, but will get a chance to test it this season.

I like to know what the sports photographers use, too.

dwarrenr
29th of August 2011 (Mon), 18:34
I only use focus priority. It has not seemed to slow down my fps when set at 10fps, but for the most part I don't use 10fps. I'm more concern about getting tack sharp images then 10fps, and more then three frames of one action sequence is more then I want to look at any way. Thus I'm either shoot at 3fps or single shot for 90% of my sports.

bobbyz
29th of August 2011 (Mon), 23:36
That is what I thought. I also shoot burst of 3-4 frames max.

BTW - Frame rate will drop with focus priority as each frame camera has to make sure focus is achieved. FPS is only guranteed with drive priority. Check it out with some player coming at you. You won't get 10fps.

alistair85
20th of September 2011 (Tue), 21:35
Hi guys. There is some brilliant advice in this thread. Many thanks to everyone for sharing.

I'm about to head to the USA on a sporting trip and will be taking my new DLSR.

While I will be focusing on College and Pro sports rather than high school, I think that most of the skills and techniques are transferable. I do have one question that I was hoping someone could help me with.

I'm going to buy a ticket for USC @ Cal which is being played at AT&T Park. Having never been to the venue (or even seen an American Football game in person), I'm a little lost in terms of where to sit to get the best shots.

Am I best to sit directly behind a team bench (probably have more interest in USC) to capture players entering and leaving the field, or should I set up in the endzone? Obviously the closer I can get to the front, the better. I will be shooting with a 300mm lens.

Here is a seating chart (click on 'football) (http://www.stubhub.com/att-park/)

Any advice you could provide would be much appreciated!

rockdog63
20th of September 2011 (Tue), 21:48
If you are doing it in the stands try to sit on the home team side because the chains(1st down markers) are on the visitors sidelines and get in the way. I don't know what time the game is but if the sun is setting most fields the home team is on the West side so you don't get the direct sun at dusk.
just my 2 cents

Flores
20th of September 2011 (Tue), 21:49
college venues sometimes have issues with long lenses coming into the stadium. check before you buy your ticket.

alistair85
20th of September 2011 (Tue), 23:41
Thanks guys.

If I sat on the USC sideline, I'd be on the southern side of the stadium (AT&T Park runs E/W in football configuration). It's a 6pm kickoff, so sun shouldn't be a huge factor.

No worries re: lens. There are no restrictions on the AT&T Park website and even so, I can easily slip it into a concealed pouch. I'm just an amateur photographer, so I have no moral qualms about that.

Cozmocha
20th of September 2011 (Tue), 23:55
Thanks guys.

If I sat on the USC sideline, I'd be on the southern side of the stadium (AT&T Park runs E/W in football configuration). It's a 6pm kickoff, so sun shouldn't be a huge factor.

No worries re: lens. There are no restrictions on the AT&T Park website and even so, I can easily slip it into a concealed pouch. I'm just an amateur photographer, so I have no moral qualms about that.

You are talking about up in the stands as a fan right? Are you talking 300mm 2.8?

alistair85
21st of September 2011 (Wed), 00:27
You are talking about up in the stands as a fan right? Are you talking 300mm 2.8?

Well, I'm talking front few rows (1-5) of the bleachers:

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/4464/stubk.jpg

I shoot a lot of sport in Australia and am usually fine with the first few rows. Obviously I don't expect to get press quality shots, but something that will be close enough to take some memorable shots would be nice.

Will simply buy a ticket in whatever section is deemed best. Originally I was thinking Bleachers B (in the middle on the USC sideline) but some earlier comments suggest between the 2-15 yard line is better for oncoming play? (although that's probably if you're ON the field).

bobbyz
21st of September 2011 (Wed), 15:02
300mm f2.8 IS during the football game, good luck getting it in. Now if 70-300 then probably ok.

HotShots
21st of September 2011 (Wed), 16:31
It was good to read this thread again. I had forgotten them MOST of my approach to Friday night football came directly from this thread. Great advice all the way through.

Of particular interest to me currently is #12 --

Tip #12. Support the Program. Ask the Coach: Is there anyone of whom you would like to have a picture? Do you need some prints? Any seniors who haven’t gotten recognition who I should shoot? What about a picture slide show for the awards banquet? How can I help? Be viewed as an asset to the program. This will help your photographer colleagues when we follow you and want access or cooperation. Every year, field access issues get more complicated. Building a reservoir of good will and professionalism helps you and all of us.


Our school just built a brand new stadium and everyone with a DSLR has been flooding the field. School officials are tightening sideline access and on several occasions that has not gone over well. The 'reservoir of good will and professionalism' I have built has been graciously repaid in the form of continued access without ANY questions or hassles.

Given my current situation, this could be the most valuable and most overlooked piece of advice out there.

alistair85
21st of September 2011 (Wed), 16:45
300mm f2.8 IS during the football game, good luck getting it in. Now if 70-300 then probably ok.

It's a 55-300. Not all that bulky and easily slipped into a compartment of my bag.

Any more suggestions on where to buy my ticket at AT&T Park?

dwarrenr
21st of September 2011 (Wed), 16:48
It was good to read this thread again. I had forgotten them MOST of my approach to Friday night football came directly from this thread. Great advice all the way through.

Of particular interest to me currently is #12 --

Given my current situation, this could be the most valuable and most overlooked piece of advice out there.

You can never over look the importance of having the AD behind you 100%. It can mean the world in soo many different ways. I had one AD that was hesitant in allowing me to setup strobes for a basketball County Tourney. I had my home team AD send him an e-mail regarding my setup. Could not have worked out better. They can make your life so much easier, it's worth every cent to keep them happy. Another example, we just had our homecoming game last week. Last year everyone including the pets were on the field taking pictures of the homecoming court. I offered the AD a free 5x7 for each of the kids on the court if I was listed as the official photog and if they limited access so my shots would not be blocked. He was delighted and it worked out great for both sides.