Moon Landing Conspiracy - NASA Images

[wrxflame]

Seems NASA's new moon orbitor may put the debate as to America landing on the moon finally to rest....or just stir things up more maybe.

I often wondered why NASA didn't point Hubble at the moon at take a picture and put the whole thing to rest ages ago.

Oh well....

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/lroimages/apollosites.html

[jgrussell]

And if you think that's going to shut up the doubters, I have a Kenyan Obama birth certificate to sell you...

[gas1120]

i wonder... is the flag still up there?

[FlyingPhotog]

And if you think that's going to shut up the doubters, I have a Kenyan Obama birth certificate to sell you...

... or a healthcare plan ;)

[neilwood32]

i wonder... is the flag still up there?
Nope - i think someone stole it!:lol:

[S.Horton]

... or a healthcare plan ;)

....for someone else.

I wonder if Hubble can focus on something that close. It must have a min focusing distance like, say, infinity!?!

[breal101]

....for someone else.

I wonder if Hubble can focus on something that close. It must have a min focusing distance like, say, infinity!?!

You may have hit the nail on the head, I used military aerial cameras back in the day that were useless on the ground. The doubters of the moon landings must not have been around for the cold war, the Russians surely would have debunked a fake moon landing. They may not have been able to see anything on the moon but they could tell if a radio signal was coming from a moving target like the orbiter or a fixed target like the lander.

[adsayer]

isn't there some sort of object up on the moon that sciency people use to reflect lazer pulses back to earth...?

or have I had a touch too much cough medicine today?

[Jon]

Seems NASA's new moon orbitor may put the debate as to America landing on the moon finally to rest....or just stir things up more maybe.

I often wondered why NASA didn't point Hubble at the moon at take a picture and put the whole thing to rest ages ago.

Oh well....

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/lroimages/apollosites.html
Because it doesn't have a Macro mode . . .
isn't there some sort of object up on the moon that sciency people use to reflect lazer pulses back to earth...?

or have I had a touch too much cough medicine today?
Yep. Apollo 11 left a laser target (http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20327162.300-apollo-special-mirrors-on-the-moon.html) that was used to precisely measure earth-moon distance. But since NASA never landed there they're just faking the results, right? I mean, when I aim my laser pointer at the moon, I don't get a return from it, so it must not be there, right?? [/sarcasm]

[S.Horton]

The universe is centered on the Earth, and the Earth is flat (with rounded corners).

[hawkeye60]

Common sense and proof are always ignored by the conspiracy theorists.

[S.Horton]

Common sense and proof are always ignored by the conspiracy theorists.

They think there's a conspiracy to suppress their facts.

It works.

[mbellot]

Seems NASA's new moon orbitor may put the debate as to America landing on the moon finally to rest....or just stir things up more maybe.

Or the guys at NASA finally figured out how to add realistic looking shadows to images using PhotoShop.

:p

[Nighthound]

The Hubble Space Telescope is incapable of resolving in detail an object roughly the size of a Volkswagon van at +/- 240,000 miles. The greatest advantage Hubble offers is being able to see and image without the obstruction/distortion of Earth's atmosphere. The Hubble is an amazing instrument designed to look deep into space at objects incredibly distant. Many of the objects we've seen in amazing detail span much wider than the distance they are from the telescope itself.

Check out the image at the top of this grouping. It shows the Hubble's focal length capability at the Moon's distance. A Lunar lander would not be visible at this magnification.
http://www1.nasa.gov/vision/universe/solarsystem/hubble_moon.html

[RDKirk]

Common sense and proof are always ignored by the conspiracy theorists.

Someone else has already said, "You can't reason a person out of a position that reason did not get him into."

[RDKirk]

I often wondered why NASA didn't point Hubble at the moon at take a picture and put the whole thing to rest ages ago.

Even if the Hubble could have been turned and focused on the moon, it would have been an absurd waste of expensive Hubble time to refute an absurd conspiracy theory.

Pretty much the same situation with regard to Obama's birth certificate.

When I had a TOP SECRET security clearance in the Air Force, I never showed the Defense Investigative Agency my birth certificate. I even asked them if they needed it. They responded, "No, we'll verify your birthplace ourselves."

The previous administration controlled the CIA, the FBI, the NSA, the DIA, the Defense Investigative Agency, the Secret Service, and perhaps a couple I can't think of at the moment and a few I don't even know about. Can anyone doubt they did not make sure of Obama's birthplace?

[FlyingPhotog]

Even if the Hubble could have been turned and focused on the moon, it would have been an absurd waste of expensive Hubble time to refute an absurd conspiracy theory.

Pretty much the same situation with regard to Obama's birth certificate.

When I had a TOP SECRET security clearance in the Air Force, I never showed the Defense Investigative Agency my birth certificate. I even asked them if they needed it. They responded, "No, we'll verify your birthplace ourselves."

The previous administration controlled the CIA, the FBI, the NSA, the DIA, the Defense Investigative Agency, the Secret Service, and perhaps a couple I can't think of at the moment and a few I don't even know about. Can anyone doubt they did not make sure of Obama's birthplace?

We're talking about the Federal Government of the United States of America, right?

I can certainly doubt their ability to do anything correctly. They could screw up a one car funeral...

[hawkeye60]

Not to get too far off the subject but... To think that the Republicans who desperately wanted to win the election, with almost unlimited power and money wouldn't have be able to find out if Obama was not a natural born citizen, is ridiculous IMHO.

[wrxflame]

Just wanted to clear something in case anyone was wondering...I believe America went to the moon and that it was an amazing feat of engineering, science and a triumph of human spirit.

When I saw these images from the NASA orbitor I was happy to share them as they backed up my view and from what I read on the site, this was one of the first area's photographed by NASA to test the camera's focus and general setup. The next pictures are to be of higher resolution...can't wait to see them myself.

Being an Aussie I had no idea about the Obama birth stuff....sorry :)

[mikerault]

The blast when the lander lifted off knocked the flag over supposedly...but we all know it was General Zod....

[RDKirk]

When I saw these images from the NASA orbitor I was happy to share them as they backed up my view and from what I read on the site, this was one of the first area's photographed by NASA to test the camera's focus and general setup. The next pictures are to be of higher resolution...can't wait to see them myself.

Interesting that the resolution is high enough to pick up an astronaut's footprints. However, that may partially also be the result of an optical phenomenon that causes linear objects to be visible even at resolutions that are supposedly too low for them to appear.

[Robert16]

You guys don't seriously think you put someone on the moon do you? (puts on flame - and solar radiation - proof suit). C'mon! National pride is one thing but......:p

;)

[mikerault]

Oh just go back to watching your Dr. Who re-runs and wishing for a tardus...

[20droger]

You guys don't seriously think you put someone on the moon do you? (puts on flame - and solar radiation - proof suit). C'mon! National pride is one thing but......:p

;)
You obviously missed the "documentary" The First Men in the Moon. And it was an Englishman who invented Cavorite!

Talk about ignoring a chance at national pride!

And don't forget the Duchy of Grand Fenwick!

[Robert16]

Oh just go back to watching your Dr. Who re-runs and wishing for a tardus...
Hahahahaha:lol:

[mbellot]

You guys don't seriously think you put someone on the moon do you?

Of course not.

But you have to admit, it was a pretty convincing bit of propaganda.

;)

[AxxisPhoto]

So you always believe what your govt. tells you?! http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Others/good-news-175.gif *puts on tinfoil hat*

[oaktree]

I hear Columbus didn't discover anything but the Canary Islands.

[mikerault]

Actually it was the Antilles...

[RDKirk]

We're talking about the Federal Government of the United States of America, right?

I can certainly doubt their ability to do anything correctly. They could screw up a one car funeral...

I used to be associated with the SR-71 program, so I'd disagree with your assertion that the government can't do anything correctly.

[joemusic321]

You guys don't seriously think you put someone on the moon do you? (puts on flame - and solar radiation - proof suit). C'mon! National pride is one thing but......:p

;)

I know (hope?) most of this banter is tongue-in-cheek but don't you think keeping a fake moon landing secret would be harder to do than actually landing on the moon? I mean, there were a bazillion people involved in some aspect or other of this venture. Human nature being what it is...

[20droger]

Conspiracy theorists are very much like religious extremists. There is no argument, however logical, that can be made to change their beliefs. It's all a matter of faith, and faith, by definition, only exists in the absence of proof.

That's why the Big Man made such a terrible mistake with the Babel fish.

[Robert16]

Conspiracy theorists are very much like religious extremists. There is no argument, however logical, that can be made to change their beliefs. It's all a matter of faith, and faith, by definition, only exists in the absence of proof.

That's why the Big Man made such a terrible mistake with the Babel fish.
I know that you know I was only trying to make you smile. ;)

[Robert16]

there were a bazillion people involved in some aspect or other of this venture. .
They were all aliens. They've been living and working among us for quite some time.:D

[mikerault]

Shoot, we're aliens, we don't have to work...

[la canon amateur]

My Mothers first cousin, was in charge of the Computer Systems (IBM) at the Johnson Houston Space Center during the Apollo Missions. I have discussed this with him. It was definitely not a conspiracy.

At 32 years of age he also happened to be in charge of the computer systems at NORAD in Omaha Nebraska during the Bay of Pigs conflict. Quite an interesting life. He worked on the first super computer and retired with thirty something years with IBM. He witnessed and was involved with an interesting era as far as computer systems are concerned.
I remember when he retired his business card title was "manger production information design & development". Funny thing is if you saw him you would never guess he was a Geek. Would rather be hunting & fishing in his spare time.

Excuse me for getting so far off topic. He's just a very interesting man to visit with, especially about the Apollo missions.

[mbellot]

I know (hope?) most of this banter is tongue-in-cheek but don't you think keeping a fake moon landing secret would be harder to do than actually landing on the moon? I mean, there were a bazillion people involved in some aspect or other of this venture. Human nature being what it is...

Of course not.

Anyone who tries to expose the moon landing hoax is made to appear a fool by the same government that perpetrated the hoax.

Just like they do with the people who try to expose the fact that the government is holding alien technology, that Lee Harvey Oswald couldn't have killed Kennedy and that Pro Wrestling is fake.

;)

[RDKirk]

I know (hope?) most of this banter is tongue-in-cheek but don't you think keeping a fake moon landing secret would be harder to do than actually landing on the moon? I mean, there were a bazillion people involved in some aspect or other of this venture. Human nature being what it is...

That's the oxymoronic thing about "vast conspiracy" theories--there can be no such thing as a "vast" conspiracy. Most of these theories depend on generations of people spread across nunerous competing government bureaucracies and competing political parties, usually even including the press.

[Robert16]

My Mothers first cousin, was in charge of the Computer Systems (IBM) at the Johnson Houston Space Center during the Apollo Missions. I have discussed this with him. It was definitely not a conspiracy.

At 32 years of age he also happened to be in charge of the computer systems at NORAD in Omaha Nebraska during the Bay of Pigs conflict. Quite an interesting life. He worked on the first super computer and retired with thirty something years with IBM. He witnessed and was involved with an interesting era as far as computer systems are concerned.
I remember when he retired his business card title was "manger production information design & development". Funny thing is if you saw him you would never guess he was a Geek. Would rather be hunting & fishing in his spare time.

Excuse me for getting so far off topic. He's just a very interesting man to visit with, especially about the Apollo missions.
Yep. Alien.


;)

[jrfoto]

Someone else has already said, "You can't reason a person out of a position that reason did not get him into."

Excellent!

[Jpatten]

Of course we didn't fake the moon landings, where do you think the Government got the alien technology they currently use to make us all care about reality TV more than what they are doing? ;)

[Desertraptor]

The blast when the lander lifted off knocked the flag over supposedly...but we all know it was General Zod....

Now that's funny right there. Yep ha General Zod.
I thought superman put the flag back or was that just the one on top of the white house?

Read many years ago that Hubble was never made to resolve something so small so close.

And yes if it was faked the Russians would have let the world know about it. Or maybe they are in on it.

Also heard a story about NASA spending hundreds of thousands developing a pen to be used in zero gravity while the Russians simply used a pencil :o
But I was always happy to use a Papermate or Scheaffer pen

[Jpatten]

Also heard a story about NASA spending hundreds of thousands developing a pen to be used in zero gravity while the Russians simply used a pencil
But I was always happy to use a Papermate or Scheaffer pen

Nasa didn't use a pencil for Safety reasons. Pencil leads can break off very easily and then you have little sharp bits floating around the cabin to be inhaled or get in someone's eye. Or little bits that could possible float into a switch and jam it, or given that pencil lead is marginally conductive, short out something. It was deemed there were significant safety issues with pencils.

[tharmsen]

i wonder... is the flag still up there?
I heard aliens took it years ago for their galactic museum.

Of course it's still there (somewhere), where would it go? :)

[tharmsen]

The conspiracy theorists will just say these images are faked. :)

[20droger]

The moon landings are real. It's the conspiracy theorists who are fake. At least, their intelligence is.