Hiring a make up artist that requested hi-res files

[buurin]

For the 1st time, I'll be working with a make up artist from model mayhem.

She is charging me $75 for 2 different looks and simple hairstyling.

She kindly requested hi-res edited images for her portfolio.

Is it uncommon to both pay and give up the files?

I suppose the quality of her work is also a factor in this decision -- since if shes worth more than $75, then adding the files makes the transaction fair.

I hope its not bad ettiquete to post her profile since I mentioned her quoted prices... If so, someone let me know and I'll take down the link.
http://www.modelmayhem.com/1261319

Thanks

[inthedeck]

I told one of the MUA's that I worked with (she was paid by the model) that I would just send her one print for her book, along with the ©'d jpeg. It would be one of the ones that I chose to provide her. She was cool with that. ;)

I guess in this case, it's a matter of building a relationship with a MUA. Ultimately, it's your time and your effort, once the shoot is over... ;)

I probably haven't helped your decision....so, maybe some others will.

[AxxisPhoto]

No, it is not uncommon to pay and give out files. I have paid MUA's, but never promised them any hi-rez images. Only images that were resized and worked up for website usage. If any model or mua wants a print quality image from me, I charge them a flat fee.

[Dennis_Hammer]

I have never given a MUA a high res file. Prints and web sized copyrighted files. But a high res I usually don't give to anyone.

[RDKirk]

This is the digital age. In all my relationships, whether business-to-business or business-to-customer, I provide digital products at full resolution, if I'm providing digital product at all. Even if the primary purpose of the image is for web use, I will still provide the image at full resolution and let the customer's web designer resize them as necessary.

I control and enforce distribution with businesses by contract (i.e., the provisions specifically granted by license), not by the size of the image file.

[JackLiu]

This is the digital age. In all my relationships, whether business-to-business or business-to-customer, I provide digital products at full resolution, if I'm providing digital product at all. Even if the primary purpose of the image is for web use, I will still provide the image at full resolution and let the customer's web designer resize them as necessary.

I control and enforce distribution with businesses by contract (i.e., the provisions specifically granted by license), not by the size of the image file.

Do you have an example of the contract provisions for us to read?:p

[RDKirk]

Do you have an example of the contract provisions for us to read?:p

Just state what you're allowing them to do with the images. For instance:

You have a perpetual license to freely reproduce the photographs in the contracted CD for professional and publicity portraits excluding packaging, billboard, or television; those licenses are available as options.

[buurin]

I ended up offering her 1 websized, watermarked (non-obtrusive) image for free.

$20 for each edited, full size TIFF + web sized jpg. Unrestricted usage except for re-sale.

Thanks for the help.

[inthedeck]

^ Sounds good. ;)

[RDKirk]

I ended up offering her 1 websized, watermarked (non-obtrusive) image for free.

$20 for each edited, full size TIFF + web sized jpg. Unrestricted usage except for re-sale.

Thanks for the help.

She's charging you $75 an hour and you're charging her $20 an hour?

[buurin]

Shes charging me $75 total for 2 looks. Shes here from 3-8PMish. 2.5 hours of which is makeup + hair time.

She doesnt have to purchase any photos.

Im editng the photos whether or not she purchases them so its not really much 'extra' effort on my part.

Maybe I don't get what you were trying to say.

[charlesu]

It's all a negotiation.

I will sometimes pay a good model (particularly one who I really lke and is traveling on a tour, etc. to come to me). I will give images. I rarely do both. If they like the work, then we need to come to a TF agreement. If they want pay then they get no image rights, not even port.

That said, good MUAs that will do 2 looks and hair for $75 are rarer than gold. I'd offer to buy her dinner as well.

[zagiace]

I hear lots of advice that you should never give your work away, but in some situations you absolutely should consider it. If I place an ad in the local paper or a magazine I would be silly to ask for payment for them to have reproduction rights to the image. Just the same, this individual will be a billboard, advertiser and sales rep. for your work.
Typically I am happy to provide prints and low resolution digital files for portfolio work, I will add a small copyright and website info and figure I am getting great exposure to my target clientele. I also consider it a professional courtesy.
But, it depends on the agreement I have have with my client since they are the ones who hired me.
I don't want to only provide lower resolution images for fear they may print out a lower quality image and that will have my name all over it.
If the quality of your work is good, this can be a great way to network and get additional business.

[RDKirk]

I hear lots of advice that you should never give your work away, but in some situations you absolutely should consider it. If I place an ad in the local paper or a magazine I would be silly to ask for payment for them to have reproduction rights to the image. Just the same, this individual will be a billboard, advertiser and sales rep. for your work.

A proper quid pro quo is not what professionals mean by "giving your work away." Why do people misunderstand that?

But it takes clear judgment to be sure of truly getting the quo for one's quid.

[zagiace]

A proper quid pro quo is not what professionals mean by "giving your work away." Why do people misunderstand that?

But it takes clear judgment to be sure of truly getting the quo for one's quid.
my post may not have been as clear as it was in my head, but I did not misunderstand. I tried to convey that I see it as an equal exchange of advertising for portfolio work.

[doidinho]

I give my MUA all my files in high res, low res, before, and after; whatever she wants. Then agian her skills are off the hook and she is a very good friend. Anyone else that I was not doing TF for and was paying I would say no. Tell her it will cost her $75 for the hi-res images if she decides she wants them.

[dsmPhotoCompany]

Your MUA can, and should, be your "best friend". It's far different giving the MUA a full-res file than it is a model/client.

Instead of giving a file though, I'd rather print it myself and provide it to her, some people do not understand the difference between a professional lab and Wal-Mart. And I'd rather not have my work out there on a crappy print. Simply give her a great rate on printing (and ship if need be)...especially if that was an image that was getting processed for the client/model anyway. If not...I'd charge her...but give a discount off my normal print rate.