Mac Users - Snow Leopard

[wlescall]

You can order Snow Leopard from the Apple Store for delivery on the 28th.

[mattyb240]

I was just about to post this :) going to get mine from the store in Solihull, any excuse to go to the store :)

[low note lee]

I'm gonna pre-order tomorrow. Looks good; 6GB of freed space goes down quite nicely :D

[TeeJay]

I was just about to post this :) going to get mine from the store in Solihull, any excuse to go to the store :)

I think all Apple stores should supply "bibs"....


... helps keep the drool off your clothes ;-)


TJ

[smcclelland]

I think all Apple stores should supply "bibs"....


... helps keep the drool off your clothes ;-)


TJ

Careful, some co-workers of mine just wear them daily to work... I spotted one today walk in with his apple hat, developers conference shirt and mac jacket so I think they're preparing for Friday ;)

I'll just get up early and walk across the street from my condo to the apple store to grab it.

[tupper]

What's the price going to be?

[smcclelland]

$29 USD to upgrade and $35 CDN to upgrade.

[Paul_A]

Has anyone seen any performance comparisons yet?

[Paul_A]

Never mind. I found one here: http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=737683

[mattyb240]

Also if people need to free up some space, I can highly recommend Monolingual to remove all unnecessary languages saved a few GB's for me!

[MaxxuM]

Also if people need to free up some space, I can highly recommend Monolingual to remove all unnecessary languages saved a few GB's for me!

Just be careful - I would keep English, Spanish, French and German (core languages). I've heard of Photoshop breaking after the fact as well as a few other apps. Just an FYI.

[maxblack]

What MaxxuM said ^^^
I believe Adobe Creative Suite products will try to self heal and update itself
with the missing languages when it finds them removed from it's original full install.
Be careful. :)

If you bought an an Apple computer after June 8th, 2009 it's $9.95 to upgrade.

[sf1]

Can't wait.....now if they release Aperture 3, I'll be much happier.

[wlescall]

Can't wait.....now if they release Aperture 3, I'll be much happier.

Ditto

[Paul_A]

I just got an e-mail from MacMall.com offering a $24.99 introductory offer and a $43.99 family pack intro price. $4.99 for overnight shipping!

[MaxxuM]

Can't wait.....now if they release Aperture 3, I'll be much happier.

Ditto

I wouldn't hold my breath. Apple is very strict about it's releases and it's rare they break this rule. It definitely won't happen before February 2010. What's very likely though is a 2.2.0 version just after Snow Leopard comes out to optimize Aperture for the new OS. I say sometime before November unless there is something bad that happens that was not found in testing.

[squaresnappr]

You can order Snow Leopard from the Apple Store for delivery on the 28th.

Thanks just did the snow leopard up to date program and receipts says ships by August 28th.

[mattyb240]

Wasn't aware of adobe having problems....but I don't use any of the suite! I'm also hoping for an optimisation update for Aperture!

[timnosenzo]

FYI for any Mac users running CS3 and hoping to upgrade to Snow Leopard:

http://www.macrumors.com/2009/08/26/adobe-creative-suite-3-unsupported-on-os-x-snow-leopard/

Not really surprising, especially coming from Adobe, but still...

[mattyb240]

Just to let people know apparently CS3 isn't supported by snow leopard!

[MaxxuM]

Just to let people know apparently CS3 isn't supported by snow leopard!

Actually, Adobe is the one that is not planning to support CS3 on 10.6 as they say it will take resources away from CS4 and CS5 development. Last I heard, they were leaving the door open for patches in the future. I haven't kept up with the rumor mill though. I only have CS4 so I'm happy :) New HDD and Snow Leopard should be at my door this Friday.

[Faolan]

Some interesting tid-bits about Snow Leopard:

Register - first look (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/25/preview_os_apple_snow_leopard/)
Intego saying Snow Leopard has a AV? (http://blog.intego.com/2009/08/25/snow-leopard-contains-an-antivirus/)
WinSupersite's take (http://www.winsupersite.com/alt/snowleopard.asp)

I had to do the last ;).

[smcclelland]

Some interesting tid-bits about Snow Leopard:

Register - first look (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/25/preview_os_apple_snow_leopard/)
Intego saying Snow Leopard has a AV? (http://blog.intego.com/2009/08/25/snow-leopard-contains-an-antivirus/)
WinSupersite's take (http://www.winsupersite.com/alt/snowleopard.asp)

I had to do the last ;).

"All that said, I'm not sure Snow Leopard justifies even its vastly reduced price." I am actually tempted to write this guy and tell him to remove his lips that are firmly pressed to Microsoft's ass before he ever writes another review. You're slagging a $29 upgrade when you're talking $100+ for Windows7 which is a slap in the face for those that got roped into Vista and have to now pay out again to get a decent OS.

Gotta love biased people.

[Faolan]

Windows 7 is £70 for Home Premium ;) Also that price is a bit mis-leading as it's only for the 10.5 version of OS X, the price, I think, is £130-150 for Tiger and previous versions of Intel OS X? Apple doesn't make it clear on their site, in fact it's near impossible if you're not using a Mac! They just list the 'upgrade' price, which to me is deceptive advertising.

Considering the overhaul, which to be honest, is far more tangible then yes. Vista set the stage for Windows 7, but Windows 7 is going to steal the show. Also unlike Apple, Windows 7 still supports old hardware.

You can also say this is a release that Apple should have done years ago when they switched to Intel. Many of the 'new' core technologies that's lauded in Snow Leopard have been in Windows for years. In addition it's still not a true x64 environment.

Vista for all it's criticism was a good OS, what killed it was public perception brought on by crap drivers and also by M$ bowing to political pressure from Intel (their integrated gfx chip wasn't going to make the cut for supporting Vista) and Nvidia.

This is isn't a bashing thread, my views on both OS's are well known here. Apple went for the PR stunt with the price and, from the press reaction, they've succeeded. They've also got 2 months to make hay over Microsoft mainly because of hardware manufacturers releasing new hardware for the back to school season for PCs that Microsoft is forced to wait for.

If you really want to be pedantic considering cost for cost of Vista to Windows 7 upgrade and Apple OS X 10.5 to 10.6 then they are about equal for a home user. If not slightly cheaper in light of Windows. If you are buying Windows you can get OEM version a dirt cheap prices, in fact I can pick up a version of Vista Ultimate OEM for £110, yet OS X still costs me £130. Then you have the Apple tax of being forced to buy a Apple Mac, compared to me building one.

For a normal user this is a moot issue, all users who've bought a Vista computer since June can get a free upgrade to Windows 7.

[basroil]

FYI for any Mac users running CS3 and hoping to upgrade to Snow Leopard:

http://www.macrumors.com/2009/08/26/adobe-creative-suite-3-unsupported-on-os-x-snow-leopard/

Not really surprising, especially coming from Adobe, but still...

Actually not Adobe to blame at all... Hell, Photoshop 7 worked fine in Vista, and CS3 and CS4 work great in Windows 7. The issue here is that Apple changed a lot of things, and it's not just adobe products that are broken in 10.6. If you want to blame anyone, blame Apple for destroying backwards compatibility. Else, just wait until Apple or Adobe changes stance and works on a fix.

[wickerprints]

Actually not Adobe to blame at all... Hell, Photoshop 7 worked fine in Vista, and CS3 and CS4 work great in Windows 7. The issue here is that Apple changed a lot of things, and it's not just adobe products that are broken in 10.6. If you want to blame anyone, blame Apple for destroying backwards compatibility. Else, just wait until Apple or Adobe changes stance and works on a fix.


Adobe IS to blame. Read the article before you decide to comment from the sidelines. They are not simply saying previous versions will be incompatible; they are saying that they are no longer supporting compatibility fixes to previous versions because they want to focus on future development. In other words, Adobe is saying "f*** you, upgrade to CS4 and pay us big upgrade fees if you want your software to keep working. We're going to force you to choose between upgrading the OS (including security upgrades) and upgrading our software."

If Apple had to write their OS to maintain compatibility with every piece of software for the Mac, do you know what they'd have? Windows. Compatibility must be broken at some stage in order to further the development of operating systems. Not doing so gives you insecure bloatware.

[mattyb240]

Actually, Adobe is the one that is not planning to support CS3 on 10.6 as they say it will take resources away from CS4 and CS5 development. Last I heard, they were leaving the door open for patches in the future. I haven't kept up with the rumor mill though. I only have CS4 so I'm happy :) New HDD and Snow Leopard should be at my door this Friday.

Sorry thats the way round I meant....Although I heard they wont be updating or patching it? Just leaving CS3 where it is. Who knows.

[wlescall]

Reading Paul Thurrott on anything not Microsoft is about the same as Ken Rockwell on anything not Nikon.

[stathunter]

Leopard is working extremely well for me -- and I use CS3 -- not sure I want to try to fix something that is not broken.
I have flashbacks of running out to get Vista on my PC -- and that being a nightmare ..... huge nightmare!

[tonylong]

Adobe IS to blame. Read the article before you decide to comment from the sidelines. They are not simply saying previous versions will be incompatible; they are saying that they are no longer supporting compatibility fixes to previous versions because they want to focus on future development. In other words, Adobe is saying "f*** you, upgrade to CS4 and pay us big upgrade fees if you want your software to keep working. We're going to force you to choose between upgrading the OS (including security upgrades) and upgrading our software."

If Apple had to write their OS to maintain compatibility with every piece of software for the Mac, do you know what they'd have? Windows. Compatibility must be broken at some stage in order to further the development of operating systems. Not doing so gives you insecure bloatware.

I don't understand how you can have this expectation -- CS3 is done. No more upgrades. Expecting Adobe to go back and rewrite the CS3 code is just silly. If you want to run CS3, it's like any other software that will "break" with the new OS. You can update the software, or find a workaround. A double-boot system would be one approach -- does Apple support a dual-boot with two versions of their OS? I know you could dual-boot to Windows, which would be another possibility, and just get the Windows version of CS3.

But, golly, Adobe isn't "bad" because they won't re-write two-year-old software when they have a compatible version available.

[mattyb240]

Leopard is working extremely well for me -- and I use CS3 -- not sure I want to try to fix something that is not broken.
I have flashbacks of running out to get Vista on my PC -- and that being a nightmare ..... huge nightmare!

To true, but I have more faith in apple (blind or ignorant faith I'm not sure:confused:) And it has been tested for quite some time now. I intend to pick my copy up Friday, but I'm hearing from my friend who works for Apple in the UK it may not be released till 6pm?

[mathogre]

I've preordered mine. Supposed to arrive Friday. It will go on my MacBook first, then onto my iMac. :cool:

[Familiaphoto]

I pre-ordered as well, for 9.95 I couldn't pass it up.

[hkhorn10]

I'd like to upgrade for sure, but not yet. I use Aperture/Nik Software Plugins/Photoshop CS4/Lightroom/Photo Tools 2 every single day, and I want to make sure they all work without needing to be upgraded, etc, before I jump. Losing any good chunk of my workflow would not be worth the added performance.


However, when I know these work.... the upgraded performance will be fantastic.

[squaresnappr]

I'd like to upgrade for sure, but not yet. I use Aperture/Nik Software Plugins/Photoshop CS4/Lightroom/Photo Tools 2 every single day, and I want to make sure they all work without needing to be upgraded, etc, before I jump. Losing any good chunk of my workflow would not be worth the added performance.


However, when I know these work.... the upgraded performance will be fantastic.

I will be upgrading on my mac and I use aperture2/Nic as well so I will be sure to report to you if I encounter any problems.

[hkhorn10]

I will be upgrading on my mac and I use aperture2/Nic as well so I will be sure to report to you if I encounter any problems.


That would be amazing if you would. I'll just keep this thread up and you can respond here. I'll be anxious. Thanks a ton.

[hollis_f]

I don't understand how you can have this expectation -- CS3 is done. No more upgrades. Expecting Adobe to go back and rewrite the CS3 code is just silly.

And where should they stop - CS2, PS7, PS2, PS0.63? Who wants to spend £2000 on CS5 so that Adobe can afford to pay for all those people re-writing and testing fifteen different versions of PS?

[mattyb240]

Just an update from macrumors.com

"Earlier today, we reported on comments from Adobe Principal Product Manager for Photoshop John Nack pointing to a new FAQ document noting that only Creative Suite 4 will be officially supported on Apple's forthcoming Snow Leopard operating system, with Creative Suite 3 and earlier versions reportedly not having been tested on Snow Leopard.

Nack has now posted an update after investigating the CS3 situation in which he reveals that Adobe and Apple actually did do extensive testing of at least Photoshop CS3 on Snow Leopard and found that it is in fact compatible with the new operating system.
It turns out that the Photoshop team has tested Photoshop CS3 on Snow Leopard, and to the best of our knowledge, PS CS3 works fine on Snow Leopard.

Nack notes that only two minor issues remain that his Photoshop team is aware of: window highlight rings in Exposé and text field nudging in Japanese versions of Snow Leopard. But while Photoshop CS3 otherwise appears to be perfectly compatible with Snow Leopard, Adobe has chosen to not categorize it as officially supported due to the level of testing it feels would be required in order to be entirely confident in that statement.
When we say that we officially support a specific OS, you can trust that we've done very extensive testing on that platform. If we haven't done that level of testing, then we simply won't say that we support it. That's why the FAQ reads as it does.

That said, none of us like to inconvenience customers, so the reality is that we *do* actually perform some amount of testing on older product if we believe that there are a significant number of customers using it. So does Apple.

As I say, we have reason to expect that all meaningful issues of running Photoshop CS3 under Snow Leopard have been resolved. However, because we have not done the level of testing that true certification demands, we need to stand by our statement that we don't officially support CS3 on Snow Leopard.

In the interest of time, Nack was able to report only on the Photoshop situation under his direct purview and was unable to investigate the status of other components of Creative Suite 3 with respect to OS X Snow Leopard."

[PixelMagic]

There's some egg on your face.


http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2009/08/pscs3_on_snowleopard.html

Information about Photoshop CS3 on Snow Leopard

It turns out that the Photoshop team has tested Photoshop CS3 on Snow Leopard, and to the best of our knowledge, PS CS3 works fine on Snow Leopard.

Apple and the Photoshop team worked together closely during the development of Snow Leopard, as we do during the development of every OS revision. The Photoshop QE team reported a couple of dozen problems to Apple, and I'm happy to say that Apple has fixed all the significant issues we found. Here are the remaining open issues we know about:

1. The blue highlight ring around PS windows displayed by Exposé is too heavy.
2. When using arrow keys to nudge the values in text fields up and down, the values now change more slowly on a Japanese OS.

[basroil]

Adobe IS to blame. Read the article before you decide to comment from the sidelines. They are not simply saying previous versions will be incompatible; they are saying that they are no longer supporting compatibility fixes to previous versions because they want to focus on future development. In other words, Adobe is saying "f*** you, upgrade to CS4 and pay us big upgrade fees if you want your software to keep working. We're going to force you to choose between upgrading the OS (including security upgrades) and upgrading our software."

If Apple had to write their OS to maintain compatibility with every piece of software for the Mac, do you know what they'd have? Windows. Compatibility must be broken at some stage in order to further the development of operating systems. Not doing so gives you insecure bloatware.

As someone in the link PixelMagic gave said, "Nobody is forcing you to upgrade to Snow Leopard". Just like a lot of people didn't upgrade to vista, people don't have to upgrade to snow leopard.... except for the fact that apple drops update support fairly fast for old OSes. And if apple wanted to have backwards compatibility, they could easily do it, and yes, it would end up looking like Vista. 7 on the other hand, drops support for a lot of things, and instead picks up virtualization, which apple could do as well.

Great link there PixelMagic, explains everything for that. Interesting to see that even CS2 was found to run without too many issues.

[Tony-S]

Also that price is a bit mis-leading as it's only for the 10.5 version of OS X, the price, I think, is £130-150 for Tiger and previous versions of Intel OS X? Apple doesn't make it clear on their site, in fact it's near impossible if you're not using a Mac! They just list the 'upgrade' price, which to me is deceptive advertising.

Snow Leopard will install on both Leopard and Tiger systems so long as it's an Intel-based Mac. Since the Intel Macs started shipping with Tiger, any Intel Mac can be updated to Snow Leopard for $29.

[Faolan]

That's not true Tony, it's only Leopard users that upgrade at $29. Tiger users have to fork out $170. Even on the Apple OS X page they clearly state:

Upgrade from Leopard for just $29.

Or how about:

For Tiger users with an Intel-based Mac, the Mac Box Set includes Mac OS X Snow Leopard, iLife '09 and iWork '09 and will be available for a suggested price of $169 (US) and a Family Pack is available for a suggested price of $229 (US).

[Tony-S]

All you have to do is buy the $29 version. It installs (http://ptech.allthingsd.com/20090826/apple-changes-leopards-spots/) on any Tiger or Leopard install:

And, for owners of Intel-based Macs who are still using the older Tiger version of the Mac OS, Apple is officially making Snow Leopard available only in a “boxed set” that includes other software and costs $169. The reasoning is that these folks never paid the $129 back in 2007 to upgrade to Leopard. But here’s a tip: Apple concedes that the $29 Snow Leopard upgrade will work properly on these Tiger-equipped Macs, so you can save the extra $140.

[Natural Imagez]

like anything that is "technology" related you have to pay to play. whether it be computers, digital cameras, or whatever it is it will cost money. if you don't want to pay to change then continue to use whats been working for you.

[Faolan]

From articles seen, that it could be against the EULA... I also thought Mac owners was more honest ;) In addition from all accounts it may be necessary to do a completely clean install rather than a in-place upgrade. The true facts of the matter is that we won't know till reports come in.

So the official policy is still $169 for Tiger owners.

I also find it amusing that the article claims that GPU acceleration is being introduced with Windows 7, which is wrong. Graphics acceleration has been in Windows in one form or another since Win 95 (think Direct3D,Direct2D and DirectX). Plus WDDM is the backbone the Desktop Window Manager environ which is 3D/vector based.

[maxblack]

About the upgrade, Tony-S seems to be correct.
See link:
http://lifehacker.com/5347086/confirmed-29-snow-leopard-installs-whether-or-not-youve-got-leopard

[Tony-S]

From articles seen, that it could be against the EULA... I also thought Mac owners was more honest ;)

Wow, another blanket statement from you. That's surprising. :)

In addition from all accounts it may be necessary to do a completely clean install rather than a in-place upgrade. The true facts of the matter is that we won't know till reports come in.

I installed on top of my Leopard install. No problems for me.

So the official policy is still $169 for Tiger owners.

That's the box set, which includes iLife 09 and iWork 09. If you don't want them, just get the $29 single license or $49 five license. Apple really doesn't care since you don't have to do any of the online registration crap like with Microsoft. ;)

I also find it amusing that the article claims that GPU acceleration is being introduced with Windows 7, which is wrong. Graphics acceleration has been in Windows in one form or another since Win 95 (think Direct3D,Direct2D and DirectX).

I'm pretty sure he's referring to CUDA and FireStream use of the gpu for normal cpu tasks, not graphics acceleration. But if that's what he said or meant, then he is mistaken.

[Faolan]

CUDA and Firestream/Brooke+/CTM (different names for the same tech from AMD) are a different kettle of fish compared to desktop acceleration. Essentially OpenCL is a offshoot of OpenGL which has been around for donkey's years on both platforms (in fact I remember rightly it was a Silicon Graphics technology) which was used for rendering 3D scenes and never really took off except in 3D rendering apps and video editors development of OpenGL has lagged behind DirectX in many aspects for gamers. OpenCL on the other hand was designed for Parallel Computing, which has been around for about 10 years or so in various form on the PC but never really took off because of the lack of hardware to support it (that and FPGA arrays was expensive). Even if you wanted to be pendantic about this it still predates the OS X by about 5-6 years when Fusion was first announced from AMD (which evolved into FireStream today). This was all enabled in driver rather than OS. Microsoft pretty much killed off OpenGL in favour of DirectX technologies (no surprise there then). Eventually CUDA/FireStream will eventually be subsumed into OpenCL as they are pretty much interoperable.

As to the first comment it was tongue in check hence the smiley. However the official policy from Apple is still as states on their website, only Leopard users are eligible for the $29 upgrade. It's a bit like M$ turning a blind eye to OEM installs of Windows on different machines...

Also what online registration crap from M$? If I buy Windows, I just go to a retailer and that's it! I've never registered any of my software from Microsoft.

Leopard to Snow Leopard is supposed to go smoothly, I was referring to Tiger to Snow Leopard. Mind you they couldn't screw up as badly as they did with Tiger to Leopard upgrades... Missing data was the least of some people's problems.

[squaresnappr]

That would be amazing if you would. I'll just keep this thread up and you can respond here. I'll be anxious. Thanks a ton.

I definitely will. I am hoping for a smooth upgrade as leopard was a smooth upgrade from tiger on my macbook pro. My mac experiences with the OS have been nothing but stellar as of yet.

[wlescall]

I'd like to upgrade for sure, but not yet. I use Aperture/Nik Software Plugins/Photoshop CS4/Lightroom/Photo Tools 2 every single day, and I want to make sure they all work without needing to be upgraded, etc, before I jump. Losing any good chunk of my workflow would not be worth the added performance.


However, when I know these work.... the upgraded performance will be fantastic.

Some sites to watch:
macfixit (http://www.macfixit.com/) , macintouch (http://www.macintouch.com/readerreports/snowleopard/index.html) , and if it ever stays up snowleopard wiki (http://snowleopard.wikidot.com/start) .

[asty80]

Would the price for upgrade remain $29? Or is that only for a few days/weeks?

[Tony-S]

$29 is the price.

[Tony-S]

I'd like to upgrade for sure, but not yet. I use Aperture/Nik Software Plugins/Photoshop CS4/Lightroom/Photo Tools 2 every single day, and I want to make sure they all work without needing to be upgraded, etc, before I jump.

Aperture, Nik and CS4 all work fine on my SL MBP.

[HokkaidoStu]

Just installed it. Photoshop CS4/Lightroom/DPP all seem fine.

The fonts in firefox seem a little messed up and my Spyder screen profile was no longer default but nothing major problem-wise..................for now at least.........

[mattyb240]

For everyone to read if they want to know the official "incompatabilities":
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3258

[Faolan]

Also if you run Palm OS you may want to read this:

Palm OS support droppped. (http://www.appscout.com/2009/08/snow_leopard_drops_palm_os_syn.php)

[Natural Imagez]

mine just delivered via fed ex overnight from apple. going to load it this evening

[MaxxuM]

Arrrg.... Can't find my Torx T6 screwdriver (installing new HD with SL).

[mattyb240]

Arrrg.... Can't find my Torx T6 screwdriver (installing new HD with SL).

Ah no way, I'm really pleased with it, no matter how minor the upgrade, gone from 74GB free to 84, and now using monolingual to strip out everything else! Certainly boots and loads quicker, the colours seem much richer all of a sudden as well!

[wlescall]

Still waiting for Fed-Ex. :rolleyes:

[wlescall]

Also if you run Palm OS you may want to read this:

Palm OS support droppped. (http://www.appscout.com/2009/08/snow_leopard_drops_palm_os_syn.php)

No great loss - Palm's support for the Mac OS has been crappy for years. Once the applications that used on my Palm were added for the iPhone/Touch I got the iPod Touch & haven't looked back.

[gary88]

Just bought it, 55 minutes left on the install.

[maxblack]

I'm installed and OK. I knew I would be. :D

[smcclelland]

Installed fine for me, up in no time and I'm backing up to a new 1TB Time Capsule I picked up as well. Apple Store in Toronto was insane... each time someone came out with a new box of Snow Leopard they got mauled. One guy walked out, got mauled and just set the box down and walked off haha :)

[gary88]

Installed it, everything is great. Finder is MUCH faster!

What really surprised me is I now have an extra 20GB of HDD space :D

Before:
http://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/af175/gheb882/Picture2-1.jpg

After:
http://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/af175/gheb882/Screenshot2009-08-28at11136PM.jpg

[hkhorn10]

I'm definitely following the install updates with interest.

Especially for the following list:

Aperture 2.0
with Nik software plugings
and Phototools plugins
and Portraiture plugins.


Also, Photoshop CS4 and lightroom 2.0, but I understand those are all supported just fine.

[Tony-S]

What really surprised me is I now have an extra 20GB of HDD space :D

Actually, you don't gain that much hard drive space - perhaps 3 gb or so. With Snow Leopard, drives are reported as "real" values. So, if you have a 120 gb drive, it shows up as 120 gb, not 111 gb using 1024 math.

[mattyb240]

I'm definitely following the install updates with interest.

Especially for the following list:

Aperture 2.0
with Nik software plugings
and Phototools plugins
and Portraiture plugins.


Also, Photoshop CS4 and lightroom 2.0, but I understand those are all supported just fine.

My Nik Software plugins work fine and Aperture is updated to 2.1.4

[stathunter]

I run parallels -- anyone had any issues with snow and parallels? I read that 2.5 is not supported but 3.0 is ---

[hkhorn10]

Great news, Matty.


That leaves:
Phototools plugins for Aperture
and Portraiture plugins for Aperture.


Supported:
Nik software plugings for Aperture
Photoshop CS4 and lightroom 2.0

[maxblack]

Actually, you don't gain that much hard drive space - perhaps 3 gb or so. With Snow Leopard, drives are reported as "real" values. So, if you have a 120 gb drive, it shows up as 120 gb, not 111 gb using 1024 math.

Yes. I think Apple advertised a decrease of 7 GB's.
I noticed a decrease of 2 GB's and that was in my Library folder.
All else remained the same. It does feel a little snappier.
Although now 64-bit system, Adobe didn't have time to rewrite code for CS4 when it was released. I heard Apple changed the code somehow and we won't have 64-bit Photoshop until CS5 is released.
Correct me if I'm wrong or you heard or read something else.
Thanks.

[gary88]

Actually, you don't gain that much hard drive space - perhaps 3 gb or so. With Snow Leopard, drives are reported as "real" values. So, if you have a 120 gb drive, it shows up as 120 gb, not 111 gb using 1024 math.

Ah, good to know.

[Tony-S]

Although now 64-bit system, Adobe didn't have time to rewrite code for CS4 when it was released. I heard Apple changed the code somehow and we won't have 64-bit Photoshop until CS5 is released.

The switch from Carbon to Cocoa is what presented problems. But it doesn't matter too much since under OS X free RAM is used by Photoshop as a ram disk for scratch. Perhaps not quite as fast, but certainly faster than it might otherwise be.

[Kronie]

I'm waiting for a larger 500 Gb drive to show up, then I will do a fresh install.

Does anyone have info on other CS3 apps? Like DW? Or ID? I'm going with the assumption they will probably be fine.....

[sf1]

OK, just did the upgrade. From looking at the hard drive before and after showed 14 gig savings.

Aperture also just came out with an upgrade, 2.1.4 so I installed that as well.

Total time to install Snow Leopard was about an hour. Aperture is working fine. Nik software plug ins for Aperture are working fine. An the biggest pleasure, CS3 seems to be working fine as well.

[MaxxuM]

Yes. I think Apple advertised a decrease of 7 GB's.
I noticed a decrease of 2 GB's and that was in my Library folder.
All else remained the same. It does feel a little snappier.
Although now 64-bit system, Adobe didn't have time to rewrite code for CS4 when it was released. I heard Apple changed the code somehow and we won't have 64-bit Photoshop until CS5 is released.
Correct me if I'm wrong or you heard or read something else.
Thanks.

You're not wrong, but the devil is in the details. Without getting too geeky, what basically happened is Apple told all software partners that they would be switching to a new set of API's. Many companies began early and made the switch quickly, but Adobe had more than a million lines of code to migrate from so they were slow in moving over. Apple, as usual, didn't tell anyone exactly when they were going to officially move to the new framework. So, some say Adobe should have put it in gear earlier and made the move while other say Apple should have waited a little longer. Either way, we got hosed.

[ZGMF-X20A]

MIght want to read this too:
SL Changes how they count file size (http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20090828002847714)

[mathogre]

Just got mine, am now installing on the MacBook. :cool:

[mathogre]

Up and running on the MacBook. Whee! All looks good so far.

[Faolan]

Couple of technotes to be aware of:

Files may not open in original authoring application (Mac OS X 10.6) (http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/511/cpsid_51110.html)
Applications crash when saving to file servers through SMB protocol (Mac OS X 10.6) (http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/506/cpsid_50654.html)

[squaresnappr]

I just finished installing SL and wow it is snappier on my machine. I saved about 10GB of space. Everything is working now but just like a fellow user here, the spyder pro 3 profile would not load, had to set it again.

Don't forget to press 6 and 4 while rebooting to be in 64 bit mode.

[Tony-S]

Don't forget to press 6 and 4 while rebooting to be in 64 bit mode.

That forces booting with the 64-bit kernel. Whether one does it or not, the system is still 64-bit.

[maxblack]

I noticed this morning "About This Mac", under software it read "64 bit enabled" - No
Rebooted with 6 & 4 keys pressed enabled 64 Bit. It now reads "Yes."
To go back to 32 Bit, hold 3 & 2 Keys on reboot.

Thanks squaresnappr for that headsup.

See Link:

http://www.9to5mac.com/snow-leopard-64-bit-32-bit-firmware-efi

[MaxxuM]

So far so good. Just about everything works still - though I did have to use Rosetta. I have only encountered two programs that refuse to work at all:

Xmarks for Safari
Handbreak

Other programs that work fine for me:
Final Cut Studio 2
CandyBar
Microsoft Remote Connection
Photoshop CS4
Firefox 3.5

I wasn't brave enough to install OnyX and really don't need it for now...

[mathogre]

I'm up and running. DPP from Canon was updated yesterday Aug. 28, though I found nothing else new for either the XSi or G9. I installed it and it seems to work fine with very basic operations. (White balance a RAW image.)

I ran VirtualBox with both OpenSolaris and Ubuntu. Worked fine.

iStat Menus (system monitoring s/w) no longer works, though iStat Pro on the dashboard works fine. A note on the website says Menus isn't Snow Leopard compatible, but it will be very soon.

[drisley]

I find this pretty intersting from the Paul Thurrott's site.

"Compared head-to-head with Windows 7, it's clear that Microsoft's is the most substantial offering, as it provides the same kinds of internal updates as Snow Leopard but also offers major updates to the user experience. Looked at a different way, maybe Windows needed more fixes to begin with. That's certainly what a Mac user would tell you. They may have a point.

All that said, I'm not sure Snow Leopard justifies even its vastly reduced price. That won't stop eager Mac users from flinging their wallets open and throwing their credit cards towards Cupertino. You gotta envy Apple that kind of hold over its users."

Initially I thought "only $30 for a new OS" only do realize it's not much more than a service pack. After being asked by Apple to fork out $10 for the latest 3.0 firmware upgrade for my iTouch, I'm not surprised. Then again, I got the firmware from somebody else for free. That would be the day that money grubbing Steve Jobs pried $10 out of me for a firmware upgrade! I'm still not under Apple's mysterious hold on it's users. :)

[Natural Imagez]

welli thought everything was working as normal, until i started doing some work in light room. when i edit in cs4 from LR my file does not open in cs4. anybody have any ideas? so i have changed the second editor in the LR preferences and choose CS4 again. now LR opens the file but it creates the psd file, stacks in LR and then opens in cs4. i really like how it didn't create the file until after you were done in photoshop then it created and stacked the file in LR

[wlescall]

Paul Thurrott is the Microsoft version of Ken Rockwell. He lacks any journalistic impartiality and well, is pretty much anti anything not Microsoft.

[zincozinco]

man, i pre ordered one, it will take a week... the store down the road had gazillions of them.... :(

[bubba zanetti]

Guys im a bit of a closet luddite that really isnt interested in a bit of extra speed and im certainly not the sort to buy something unless it offers some sort of substantial advantage to me....sooo its a hard question to pen but is there any significant reason to update ?

Cheers.

[Faolan]

Paul Thurrott is the Microsoft version of Ken Rockwell. He lacks any journalistic impartiality and well, is pretty much anti anything not Microsoft.

Actually he's been openly critical about Microsoft in the past especially about Windows 7s development and also praised the iPhone (which he owns and uses). Yes he's biased, but you've got to admit apart that for intents and purposes that SL is essentially a service pack akin to SP1 or SP2 for XP which brought in similar kinds of changes (ok not x86 to x64 but still fundemental security changes to the libraries and kernel). Even SP1 for Vista brought in speed improvements/enhancements to the core system. The only reason, I'll say this for people who'll use this to pull the arguement down, is Grand Central and the reduced size of the OS. Grand Central is a feature that should have been OS X from the start. Microsoft has had this kind of scheduling since NT days, and they have an active research program to optimise each suceeding generation of Windows for multi-core awareness (which stands at 4 cores for Vista I think 8 for Windows 7). Also the size reduction comes mainly due to the dropping of old hardware and redundant code. OpenCL is another feature that's touted, but it's a new technology that's only just starting to gain traction and it's going to be interesting to see how it develops over the next few years.

When looking at the list of changes of Windows 7 and OS X Snow Leopard, you have to concede that it's true that Windows 7 is a far more substantial change than Snow Leopard plus it's optimised the OS to a far greater degree. Things like parallel booting for services, more granular schedulers for the GPU/CPU sub-systems, optimisation for SSDs (I've still to see information on OS X 10.6 support for the TRIM command or performance on these), DX11 and more. I also yet to see any major mention of touch screen support which is now native to W7. All these changes and people call Windows 7 a service pack for Vista.

[MaxxuM]

Guys im a bit of a closet luddite that really isnt interested in a bit of extra speed and im certainly not the sort to buy something unless it offers some sort of substantial advantage to me....sooo its a hard question to pen but is there any significant reason to update ?

Cheers.

Exchange support is worth every penny for me. It saved me a good chunk of change not having to buy Office Standard Edition! Everything else was gravy :)

[wlescall]

I've been working with it all night. So far, no problems with PS CS4 & plugins from Onone, Noiseware, and Nik.

[mathogre]

Guys im a bit of a closet luddite that really isnt interested in a bit of extra speed and im certainly not the sort to buy something unless it offers some sort of substantial advantage to me....sooo its a hard question to pen but is there any significant reason to update ?

Cheers.

Go through the Apple website to see what features have been changed or added. Also, go to the Macworld (magazine) website. They have some very good articles on Snow Leopard. Through iTunes you can get Macworld's current podcasts, one audio and one video, that discusses Snow Leopard. You can get a sense of whether it's worth it to you to upgrade.

Hope this helps!

[squaresnappr]

I noticed this morning "About This Mac", under software it read "64 bit enabled" - No
Rebooted with 6 & 4 keys pressed enabled 64 Bit. It now reads "Yes."
To go back to 32 Bit, hold 3 & 2 Keys on reboot.

Thanks squaresnappr for that headsup.

See Link:

http://www.9to5mac.com/snow-leopard-64-bit-32-bit-firmware-efi

Yeah, no problem but all I did was google to find out how to do it. Did you do the hack to boot into 64 bit all the time because I didn't. I just press 6 and 4.

Thanks Tony, but I thought that certain apps are 64 bit so I guess it is useless to boot into 64 bit. Is that right?

[maxblack]

Yeah, no problem but all I did was google to find out how to do it. Did you do the hack to boot into 64 bit all the time because I didn't. I just press 6 and 4.

Thanks Tony, but I thought that certain apps are 64 bit so I guess it is useless to boot into 64 bit. Is that right?

No, I'm doing the 6 & 4 key thing at start up.
I thought I would only have to do it once but it defaults to 32 Bit.
I believe most Apple apps. are 64 Bit, so I would think if you are using Safari, Mail and the others, it would be better(faster?).
I don't understand, if it defaults to 32 Bit at start up, does it still take advantage of the 64 Bit programs or is doing the 6 & 4 keyboard thing better with the 64-bit Kernel and Extensions for these and other programs?

[hkhorn10]

I find this pretty intersting from the Paul Thurrott's site.

"Compared head-to-head with Windows 7, it's clear that Microsoft's is the most substantial offering, as it provides the same kinds of internal updates as Snow Leopard but also offers major updates to the user experience. Looked at a different way, maybe Windows needed more fixes to begin with. That's certainly what a Mac user would tell you. They may have a point.

All that said, I'm not sure Snow Leopard justifies even its vastly reduced price. That won't stop eager Mac users from flinging their wallets open and throwing their credit cards towards Cupertino. You gotta envy Apple that kind of hold over its users."

Initially I thought "only $30 for a new OS" only do realize it's not much more than a service pack. After being asked by Apple to fork out $10 for the latest 3.0 firmware upgrade for my iTouch, I'm not surprised. Then again, I got the firmware from somebody else for free. That would be the day that money grubbing Steve Jobs pried $10 out of me for a firmware upgrade! I'm still not under Apple's mysterious hold on it's users. :)


Yeah, I don't buy it. As someone who uses the latest windows computers and systems with my company, and the latest mac computers and systems for personal and photography use, I have a good sense of the offerings and limitations of both systems. I use them both every day. If I could switch to mac full time, I would, but I don't consider myself a "fanboy" in any sense of the word.

The windows "service packs" traditionally have a lot to do with usability. It's not just gravy speed stuff or refinements. Our company won't even switch to a new Windows OS update until after the first service packs are up. The systems are buggy and lag and face major compatibility issues until they are released. This is part of the affect of the core of the software and the software's relationship to 3d party applications, and is a tradeoff of the broad range of 3d party support offered.

Plus, the windows versions sell for much, much more. I mean, a LOT more. When Vista and Leopard last came out, at home on the Mac I spent $129, and for work, we spent almost $400. So I would expect to see some things released for free. Apple on the other hand, trying to recoup years of costs for refinement and expansion, charges only $29. I mean, c'mon. Let's be real here. It's still the best damn deal going.

I also see everyday how much more mature and refined the Leopard OS is compared to Windows Vista, or even XP. I personally find it much more stable, intuitive, and built more for workflow considerations. I really don't WANT a major Leopard upgrade now, and force me to upgrade all of my programs and etc. Speed refinements are amazing, especially since they are foundational things. This platform will also lead to a lot more usability in the future upgrades in the Mac platform, so I'm fine with the interim product that simply works BETTER than the OS before... which for me is the best system on the market at this time.

Don't get me wrong about Windows. I don't hate using my work computer or anything. It's a top of the line and works well. I just don't prefer it, and my workflow is much better with my Mac. Further, I would expect Microsoft to give Vista a MAJOR upgrade like 7 because vista is nothing like they built it up to be and I don't see many places where I feel it matches the usability or performance of leopard. At least at the business levels... the server levels may be much different. If you look at seven, it's going on years and years for a really innovative approach to their OS to be taken seriously, and if Windows 7 is a flop they will lose substantial market share. This is do or face consequences for Windows after Vista. Apple has wisely avoided that market position right now.

So with all of the talk of, "it's not worth $29, and the consumer knocks and etc", what I can say is... if Snow Leopard and Leopard are not worth $160 total (if you bought both upgrades together over time), then what the hell is Vista Pro worth? Because right now, Leopard is the better system. And if $160 is as good as it gets for business usability, then I feel my company should have paid no more than about $99 for the top of the line Vista pack. Funny that Microsoft and their dedicated users would try to attack on System OS price. Some things Microsoft can attack on and carry great weight. This is definitely not one of them.

Remember... Apple makes computers and computer systems, operating systems, integrated consumer electronics, interactive music technology, and an integrated cell phone platform. Microsoft makes operating systems. They really do one main thing.... the expectations for that thing should be above the roof and out of the park. And they just are not.

[maxblack]

hkhorn10:
That was very well written.

[Tony-S]

Thanks Tony, but I thought that certain apps are 64 bit so I guess it is useless to boot into 64 bit. Is that right?

If the app is compiled as 64-bit, it will run in 64-bit. If it's compiled as 32-bit, it will run in 32-bit. What pressing the 6 and 4 keys do is force loading of the 64-bit kernal, which doesn't impact any 64-bit application.

[maxblack]

If the app is compiled as 64-bit, it will run in 64-bit. If it's compiled as 32-bit, it will run in 32-bit. What pressing the 6 and 4 keys do is force loading of the 64-bit kernal, which doesn't impact any 64-bit application.

Thanks for the answer Tony-S!

[squaresnappr]

If the app is compiled as 64-bit, it will run in 64-bit. If it's compiled as 32-bit, it will run in 32-bit. What pressing the 6 and 4 keys do is force loading of the 64-bit kernal, which doesn't impact any 64-bit application.

Thanks Tony, I understand that. I did notice when I booted in 32bit, that Safari was actually 64bit, I right clicked the safari icon in finder and then clicked get info. I noticed the 32 bit safari box unchecked.

My question is than I guess it would be useless to boot into 64bit? There probably is no benefit to booting into 64bit then, right? Maybe for compatibility they default to 32bit?

[amoergosum]

Would you guys recommend a clean/fresh install (erase and install)?

[maxblack]

Would you guys recommend a clean/fresh install (erase and install)?

Not unless you were experiencing some problem before.
I think you can consider it a pretty clean/fresh install as is.
Hopefully others will chime in if this is incorrect.

[mathogre]

Not unless you were experiencing some problem before.
I think you can consider it a pretty clean/fresh install as is.
Hopefully others will chime in if this is incorrect.

I think you're correct!

[lowrider]

Does anyone know if Microtek's ScanWizard Pro 7.6.2 works with Snow Leopard? I can't find it on anyone's compatibility lists. I bought 10.6 from Amazon, and it's on its way.

Lou

[amoergosum]

Not unless you were experiencing some problem before.
I think you can consider it a pretty clean/fresh install as is.
Hopefully others will chime in if this is incorrect.

I haven't experienced any problems. However I would think that a fresh install
would result in better performance. Any experts in here?

[Kronie]

I'm no expert but I think you would be better off with a fresh install. Clean out the clutter.....That's my plan at least.

[amoergosum]

I'm no expert but I think you would be better off with a fresh install. Clean out the clutter.....That's my plan at least.

I think that's what I'm going to do, too.
So you would basically start up your mac, insert the SL install dvd, click on install, then on utitlities and erase the hd. Then proceed with the SL installation.

[MaxxuM]

I think that's what I'm going to do, too.
So you would basically start up your mac, insert the SL install dvd, click on install, then on utitlities and erase the hd. Then proceed with the SL installation.

Yep. I too would go with a clean install. OS X defrags on the fly plus modern hard drives delay writes to make sure as much of the files stay together. However. after time you'll loose contiguous file space. Basically, your drive will have stuff scattered all over the place.

Do a complete backup first!

You can hold down the option key when you power up to get the boot menu and then boot from CD vs HDD. Partition your HDD first to get rid of the old install then start installing Snow Leopard. Took almost no time at all - round 25 minutes on my MBP. I'm still waiting to install on my Mac Pro as it has a ton of work on it I don't want to mess with atm.

[amoergosum]

Partition your HDD first to get rid of the old install then start installing Snow Leopard.

I don't understand...why would I need to partition my hd if I want to do a clean install?

[MaxxuM]

I don't understand...why would I need to partition my hd if I want to do a clean install?

Just to quickly clean it out. Also, you may want to make adjustments now like for data drive and bootcamp.

[smartin08]

First time poster w/a quick question. I currently run OS X 10.4.11 (Tiger) and have just purchased SL and have been reading the forum trying to decide wether to load it or not. Issues that concern me is all this talk of fresh installs and wiping the HD clean. Does that mean I will have to re-install all my 3rd party apps, plugins, etc? To me that sounds like a big pain in the rear (finding disks, re downloading, re activating). Am I misunderstanding how this works or am I just unorganized in my software storing/backing ups? Should I just put the disk in, and just do a install/upgrade (w/out wiping my hard drive clean) and pray to who ever that all goes well and my apps and printers still work? :confused:

[Tony-S]

The first thing you should do is back up your hard drive using Carbon Copy Cloner to an external hard drive. After that, you can do an install and have the back up just in case. After you're up and running, you should use the external drive as your Time Machine volume.

[wlescall]

You should first update all your applications for SL compatibility before installation. Make a backup, then install.

[smartin08]

So, if I understand correctly, I should copy my entire Mac HD onto another HD using Carbon Copy Cloner, then just install SL, and see what happens. If all is good I can get rid of the copy that was made and if not I can always boot up from the copy until the bugs are fixed? I have three internal hard drives on my machine, one of which is completely empty. If I use this drive for the copy and need to boot from it (assuming that I can), how do I do that? Or is there a better way? Sorry if I sound ignorant but I don't want to cause a serious problem that could have been avoided just by asking. Thanks in advance for any and all advise.

[wlescall]

So, if I understand correctly, I should copy my entire Mac HD onto another HD using Carbon Copy Cloner, then just install SL, and see what happens. If all is good I can get rid of the copy that was made and if not I can always boot up from the copy until the bugs are fixed? I have three internal hard drives on my machine, one of which is completely empty. If I use this drive for the copy and need to boot from it (assuming that I can), how do I do that? Or is there a better way? Sorry if I sound ignorant but I don't want to cause a serious problem that could have been avoided just by asking. Thanks in advance for any and all advise.

I use SuperDuper.

1. Update applications to be compatible for 10.6
2. Using SuperDuper (or CCC), back up the startup drive onto an empty internal drive.
3. Install Snow Leopard onto the startup disk.

- or -

1. Install Snow Leopard onto the blank internal disk.

You can choose the startup drive in the System Preferences application or hold down the option key on startup, then arrow over to the disk you wish to start from and hit return.

[Tony-S]

1. Install Snow Leopard onto the blank internal disk.


2. Use Migration Assistant to copy files to the SL volume?

[wlescall]

2. Use Migration Assistant to copy files to the SL volume?

I know Migration Assistant will work via ethernet, FW400, FW800, USB, and airport. I don't know if it will work from disk to disk via sata.

I cloned my 10.5.8 drive onto the empty disk, then installed Snow Leopard. If I want to go back to the old system, I can choose via the System Preferences application or hold down the option key on startup.

[xMClass]

I just bought my new 13" MBP today from the Apple Store, they included a copy of SL on there. Installed and updated everything and it went smoothly.

[zerovision]

I couldn't convince myself to read every post so my apologies if this is a repeat, but now that snow leopard is now loaded can I add more than 4GB to my Macbook pro 15"?

[amoergosum]

I did a clean install today.
Smooth process...
Everything runs faster now.

[Tony-S]

I couldn't convince myself to read every post so my apologies if this is a repeat, but now that snow leopard is now loaded can I add more than 4GB to my Macbook pro 15"?

What is the model of your MBP? It's found under About This Mac -> More Info -> Hardware -> Model Identifier and should be something like MacBook Pro3,1.

[S-Man]

Zero, you should be able to add up to 6-gig's of RAM to your MBP.
Read THIS. (http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/memory/Apple_MacBook_MacBook_Pro/Upgrade/DDR3)

[Tony-S]

Zero, you should be able to add up to 6-gig's of RAM to your MBP.

You can't know this until the model of the MPB is known. The earliest could only take 2 gb. The next gen could only take 4 gb with 3.2 gb available. It wasn't until the Santa Rosa MacBook Pros that 6 gb became useable, and now 8 gb with the current models.

[photog_1]

Has anyone been using Eizo's ColorEdge Software on Mac Snow Leopard? I have an Eizo CG241w and wondering if the latest version of ColorEdge software works.

Thanks.

[Jannie]

I read the specs and they say you may have to have Mobile Me? I don't use that and don't really want to, anyone know more about this?

[wlescall]

Check Eizo's web site for compatibility. You might also have to install Rosetta if the ColorEdge software.

[maxblack]

Hi Jannie. I might be dense but are you asking about the ram question
in the above posts?

[wlescall]

I read the specs and they say you may have to have Mobile Me? I don't use that and don't really want to, anyone know more about this?

Apple's web page for Snow Leopard just states that it is required for some features.

[mattyb240]

I read the specs and they say you may have to have Mobile Me? I don't use that and don't really want to, anyone know more about this?

What do you want to know I have mobile me?

[maxblack]

Here's a good link explaining booting into 64-bit mode or 32 Bit mode:

http://macperformanceguide.com/SnowLeopard-64bit.html#Firmware

[photog_1]

Thanks for the reply. I checked Eizo's website, but there is no note of Snow Leopard.

[lowrider]

I couldn't convince myself to read every post so my apologies if this is a repeat, but now that snow leopard is now loaded can I add more than 4GB to my Macbook pro 15"?

Total RAM that a machine may use is hardware dependent, not software dependent. With that being said, the total RAM available for use on your machine might well be more than what Apple specifies. You need to call a Macintosh RAM specialist. They have a data base, and know the maximum RAM a particular machine should be capable of addressing. I recommend calling Data Memory Systems @ 800-662-7466. Ask for BUD, he owns the place, and mention that Lou asked you to call. I've been dealing with them for many years, and they are great folks to deal with. You'll need to know your model number. The SN may or may not help.

There reseller rating is here:

http://www.resellerratings.com/store/Datamem

Not many places have a perfect ten for a score.

Hope this helps you make a decision.

Lou

[lowrider]

Does anyone know if Microtek's ScanWizard Pro 7.6.2 works with Snow Leopard? I can't find it on anyone's compatibility lists. I bought 10.6 from Amazon, and it's on its way.

Lou

[collierportraits]

Installed SL on both my MacBook Pro and my wife's iMac. Her install was about 30 min and mine only took about 20-25 min.

Unfortunately, now I can no longer send emails using Mail. Somehow the outgoing Mail server isn't recognizing my email address. A 20 min conversation with Apple's technical support didn't resolve this. Augh! I have to go online and send mail via webmail, which is a pain. Now I have to call Cox (my service provider) and try to work it out with them. Basically, Apple just simply told me that they didn't know what was wrong. So, I'll call Cox and then if that doesn't work just take it in to the Apple store...

Didn't see how large my HD was before install so don't know how much it saved me? Otherwise, Quicktime is pretty neat. Not sure about the other stuff. Need a couple days to play with it before I give you my diagnosis. Certainly not the huge difference that Leopard was over Tiger, though.

[wlescall]

If you have upgraded to SL, you can check out which applications are 64 bit, universal, or PowerPC.

Under the Apple Menu in the top left corner, choose "About this Mac".
When the window pops up, click on the "More Info..." button.
This launches the System Profiler.
In the left hand column - under "Software", click on "Applications".
The main widow lists in column view:

Application Name, Version, Last Modified, Kind, 64-Bit (Intel)

Kind is either PowerPC (requires Rosetta), Intel, or Universal
Everything else is self explanatory.

Hope you find this useful.

[wlescall]

If you have upgraded to SL, you can check out which applications are 64 bit, universal, or PowerPC.

Under the Apple Menu in the top left corner, choose "About this Mac".
When the window pops up, click on the "More Info..." button.
This launches the System Profiler.
In the left hand column - under "Software", click on "Applications".
The main widow lists in column view:
Application Name, Version, Last Modified, Kind, 64-Bit (Intel)

Kind is either PowerPC (requires Rosetta), Intel, or Universal
Everything else is self explanatory.


Hope you users find this useful.

[mathogre]

If you use MacPorts and have moved to Snow Leopard, you'll apparently need to uninstall all of your ports and reinstall them. It's a function of going from 32-bit to 64-bit. (It's probably also an issue if you use Fink.) Not everything works as expected. Two missing/unreferenced packages I've identified so far are xorg-libXt and xorg-libXtst.

I don't use a lot of packages, but there are a few and they're essential for me. My packages?


gawk
gnuplot
gv
ImageMagick (great converter and great for making animations)
lynx
wget
xephem
xv


I came to OS X for Unix, and I intend to continue to use it. ;)

[maxblack]

Installed SL on both my MacBook Pro and my wife's iMac. Her install was about 30 min and mine only took about 20-25 min.

Unfortunately, now I can no longer send emails using Mail. Somehow the outgoing Mail server isn't recognizing my email address. A 20 min conversation with Apple's technical support didn't resolve this. Augh! I have to go online and send mail via webmail, which is a pain. Now I have to call Cox (my service provider) and try to work it out with them. Basically, Apple just simply told me that they didn't know what was wrong. So, I'll call Cox and then if that doesn't work just take it in to the Apple store...

Didn't see how large my HD was before install so don't know how much it saved me? Otherwise, Quicktime is pretty neat. Not sure about the other stuff. Need a couple days to play with it before I give you my diagnosis. Certainly not the huge difference that Leopard was over Tiger, though.

You should be able to fix this yourself. This happened to me also.
Your outgoing server might be looking for your password and maybe it's set to none.
Also, Cox should list what your outgoing server is on their website.
Once you get it right, grab a screenshot or print out what you account settings are for future use.

[smartin08]

Update. I copied my Macintosh HD using CCC onto a separate internal drive. Then checked to make sure I could boot from it and use my applications from within it, all worked well with no problem that I could tell anyway. I installed SL on my Macintosh HD, took about 40-45 minutes on my 2x 2.66 GHz Dual-Core Intel Xeon w/8 GB of RAM Mac Pro. So far everything seems to be working great ( PSCS3, All Nik plug-ins, Photoframe 4 and Lightroom 2) except there is an issue with Norton Anti-virus's Auto protect. Chatted with Symantecs tech support, they are aware of the problem and said a patch would be out within the next few days. So far so good, keeping my fingers crossed though. Hope everybody has a good day and everything goes well with your upgrades.:)

[zerovision]

What is the model of your MBP? It's found under About This Mac -> More Info -> Hardware -> Model Identifier and should be something like MacBook Pro3,1.

Macbook Pro5,1

[Tony-S]

If you bought the version released last June, then the maximum is 8 gb. If you bought the previous version then the max is 6 gb. This is for the 15" MacBook Pro 2.53 ghz unibodies.

[cobalt123]

FYI: Backed up everything, installed Snow Leopard and everything went fine! MUCH faster, worth the $29 I paid at the Apple Store close to me. ALSO, my CS2 came through with no glitches. When I first opened CS2, I got a prompt asking if I wanted to install Rosetta (included in the OS) and clicked yes. Off and running just fine.

[Tony-S]

Well, I've just read a few reports about OpenCL. There are now a couple of demos out there and they run 5x faster with the 9400m gpu (16 gpu cores plus 2 cpu cores) than just the cpu alone (2 cores) In addition, those with MacBook Pros that have both 9400 and 9600 gpus (32 more cores for 48 total), both can be concurrently used by OpenCL. Let's hope the developers start to leverage this technology as it could lead to a dramatic performance boost. I've heard a few rumors that Aperture 3 is circulating among a few select photographers, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it will use OpenCL.

[wlescall]

Since this is now a Sticky, a few links:

MacInTouch Snow Leopard Compatibility List (http://www.macintouch.com/specialreports/snowleopard/slcompat.html)
Snow Leopard Wikidot Compatibility List (http://snowleopard.wikidot.com/)
Apple Snow Leopard Support (http://www.apple.com/support/snowleopard/)
MacFixit (http://www.macfixit.com/)
MacFixit OSX Forum (http://forums.cnet.com/mac-forums/mac-os-x-forum/?tag=contentMain;contentBody)
Mac OSX Hints (http://www.macosxhints.com/)

To Find Updates for your applications:
MacUpdate for OSX (http://www.macupdate.com/index.php?os=macosx)
Version Tracker for OSX (http://www.versiontracker.com/index.shtml)

[amoergosum]

By the way...I just checked the system profiler (10.6).
Lightroom 2 is running in 64Bit now.

[René Damkot]

Lightroom 2 is running in 64Bit now.

Should have done that before as well AFAIK.

[Tony-S]

Yes, LR was 64-bit before.

[fungry]

I've had SL for a couple days now, the subtle changes are nice. I experienced some sluggishness with firefox but that seems to have been resolved automatically, perhaps several restarts did it.

Would be interesting if Adobe adopts OpenCL into LR2 (more so LR3 since it would be a major feature ;))

[DunnoWhen]

Anyone having problems with Quicksilver?