Canon unveils 7D, 100mm f/2.8L, 15-85mm and 18-135mm

[Depth]

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0909/09090105canoneos7d.asp

Hands on here: http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canoneos7d/

Canon 100mm f/2.8L w/ Hybrid IS: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0909/09090102canon100mmmacro.asp

Canon 15-85mm and 18-135mm: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0909/09090103canon15mm28mm18mm135mm.asp

[NicolasRubio]

WHAT THE HELL?! AM I THE FIRST ONE?!

EDIT: Yes! Thanks Depth! I was about to shut down the computer!

[Bobd314]

My next camera! Woo

[Depth]

Added the lenses.

[itzcryptic]

How long has amazon had it on their site? I just saw it a couple minutes ago:

http://www.amazon.com/Canon-EOS-7D-Body-Only/dp/B002NEGTTW/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1251777917&sr=8-3

[S-Man]

I was about to post this but kept looking around thinking "surely someone has posted this alrady"...Darn.

[Stealthy Ninja]

Heh, I was in a meeting so I couldn't do it this time. LOL

Well done.

Where's my 70-200 2.8L IS II?!

[KayakPhotos]

Nice! Does this mean "real" weather sealing? "A magnesium alloy body offers environmental protection – the tough, lightweight construction is designed to defend against moisture, and dust – equivalent to the legendary EOS–1N." If so, this camera is on my want list. The only thing that scares me a little bit is the 18MP...

[NicolasRubio]

My next camera! Woo

Same for me!

[KayakPhotos]

Anyone else having trouble seeing the pics?

[itzcryptic]

Anyone else having trouble seeing the pics?

on dpreviews? yes.

Canon's site is working fine though.

[dr4gon]

Heh, I was in a meeting so I couldn't do it this time. LOL

Well done.

Where's my 70-200 2.8L IS II?!

That's what I was kinda wondering. Guess not yet, maybe before the end of the year?

[dinanm3atl]

Nice! Does this mean "real" weather sealing? "A magnesium alloy body offers environmental protection – the tough, lightweight construction is designed to defend against moisture, and dust – equivalent to the legendary EOS–1N." If so, this camera is on my want list. The only thing that scares me a little bit is the 18MP...

M-RAW 10.1mp... NICE!


No problem on the 18mp unless you really need it :)

[dle42]

M-RAW 10.1mp... NICE!


No problem on the 18mp unless you really need it :)

Here's hoping M-Raw actually improves noise performance! (crossing fingers that the sensor is fine and dandy to begin with at 18 MP)

[dinanm3atl]

Here's hoping M-Raw actually improves noise performance! (crossing fingers that the sensor is fine and dandy to begin with at 18 MP)

That is my hope as well. I would be firing away with the 10mp and only use 18mp assuming I would be doing some large cropping.

[KayakPhotos]

M-RAW 10.1mp... NICE!


No problem on the 18mp unless you really need it :)

+1. My 40D resolution with the better focusing system = win!

I'm curious to see how the low light performance turns out. I'm not entirely convinced on the whole "micro-lens" solution to improving high ISO performance in pixel packed sensor's. We'll just have to wait and see...

[NicolasRubio]

I hope Gizmodo got the 15-85mm's price wrong... because U$D 800 for that lens sounds TOO MUCH! You could get a 17-40mm f/4L for less money... or spend a couple of Franklins more and get an EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS!

[dr4gon]

I'm not too familiar with Canon, but I think I found my next camera. What's M-RAW?

[dinanm3atl]

I'm not too familiar with Canon, but I think I found my next camera. What's M-RAW?

I would call it 'mini-RAW'. It isn't max resolution.

[dr4gon]

I would call it 'mini-RAW'. It isn't max resolution.

Thanks. I wonder too how much it will improve noise performance and extend the usable size of the buffer for more shots.

[dinanm3atl]

Thanks. I wonder too how much it will improve noise performance and extend the usable size of the buffer for more shots.

Unknown on noise but I would assume it would be better. I am sure the first real reviews will note 18mp ISO 12800 vs 10mp mRaw ISO 12800 so we can see :)

[toxic]

anyone using APS-C should be pretty excited...it's a flagship APS-C camera. Canon is obviously commited to the format, since the 7D is sealed and feature-laden, and it's possible that EF-S lenses will eventually gain sealing as well.

Now we see if Canon sticks with APS-H or just simplifies and commits to a second line in 35mm format.

[sebr]

After the discussions this past week, all this was expected. Waiting for the reviews now....

[Tessa]

I've been waiting for a camera to go with my 40D (and replace the 400D) - I think I just found it :D

[Todd Lambert]

I think this would make for a good second camera with a 5D2. That would be the killer combo plater right there!

[sdsviet]

did u guys notice that the new ef-s lens have solid silver rings now. i really like them. those old hatches made it look cheap. nothing beats the red ring tho. haha

[kauffman v36]

M-Raw stands for Medium Raw
S-Raw stands for Small Raw
Raw stands for Raw, full size, 18mp

shooting HS football at ISO 3200 in M-Raw should be heaven. i finally found a reason to upgrade my 40d

[TweakMDS]

I'll definitely be sticking to my 40D, but now I have some new things that I want...
100mm IS macro that's an L... WANT!
7D body... when my 40D dies or somehow needs a sister...

18-135 IS or 15-85, Ideal strobist lens? (since everything will probably be on F8 or so).

[Big Sam]

I cant wait for the 8D

[Dmab]

I cant wait for the 8D

:) I chuckled, I'll admit
This is a great step forward for Canon...hopefully the 18mp will be awesome in its IQ performance.
I'll stick with my 1Dm3 for another year as my main, but having just sold off my 50D, the 7D seems to have come at the right time :D

[backslash]

Image Samples: http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/E7D/E7DA7.HTM

Looks good.. somewhere between 50D and 5DMK2 from the SNR.

[mrklaw]

can someone summarise their thoughts on the metering/AF aspects of this? I remember the 5DII being a disappointment (to some), but is this a step forward? Will it be better suited for tracking objects like birds in flight, perhaps using the colour metering to help keep tracking on target?

Does it look like its similar to any of the other Canon range AF modules?

[bjyoder]

After the discussions this past week, all this was expected. Waiting for the reviews now....

Seconded! I am a bit apprehensive that the new sensor will be too many MP for this format. I'm hoping that the reviews prove me wrong, though.

can someone summarise their thoughts on the metering/AF aspects of this? I remember the 5DII being a disappointment (to some), but is this a step forward? Will it be better suited for tracking objects like birds in flight, perhaps using the colour metering to help keep tracking on target?

Does it look like its similar to any of the other Canon range AF modules?

Definitely an upgrade. AF gains 10 points - and all are cross type - from the xxD series; metering gains 20 zones (IIRC) and seems to be an upgraded metering system as well (from the Matrix Metering or whatever Canon was calling it).

[clickclickclick]

Where's the 1D MKIV

[sethmo]

Just bought a 50d yesterday arg! Anyone want to buy a 50d with a shutter count of 70? lol

I think I will trade up for the 7d when it comes out!

[borism]

Just bought a 50d yesterday arg! Anyone want to buy a 50d with a shutter count of 70? lol

I think I will trade up for the 7d when it comes out!

You can always return it after only 1 day ...

Bear in mind that I expect this camera to be very hard to get for some time and the price would be almost at list for quite a while.

Never the less , this is my next camera, maybe next year :D

[CW Jones]

wait... crop body? I could have sworn I just saw 1.6X crop...

[clickclickclick]

Just bought a 50d yesterday arg! Anyone want to buy a 50d with a shutter count of 70? lol

I think I will trade up for the 7d when it comes out!
Return it. Now.

[Exposure101]

wait... crop body? I could have sworn I just saw 1.6X crop...

I might have misread it but I saw that too.

[elader]

from imaging resource.com at ISO3200
7D on left, 5D on right. .... and the winner is?? Detail, noise, resolution?
Love that crop cam and the NR..

http://elader.smugmug.com/photos/636728089_t53iP-O.jpg

[TsPoet]

from imaging resource.com at ISO3200
7D on left, 5D on right. .... and the winner is?? Detail, noise, resolution?
Love that crop cam and the NR..



Yes, it's pretty well been said that the 7D shines at ISO < 1600. For an outdoor sports/wildlife camera, I'll take it!
If you want to shoot indoor weddings, it's not for you anyway.
Now, show the same comparisons for the lower ISOs.
I'll wait to see the full reviews of the non-beta cameras. The beta is beautiful for it's purpose thus far.

[wndrlst]

from imaging resource.com at ISO3200
7D on left, 5D on right. .... and the winner is?? Detail, noise, resolution?
Love that crop cam and the NR..


Did you have a look at the images without in-camera noise reduction? They are far, far more impressive. Turn off the NR, and run your own. Problem solved!

[backslash]

from imaging resource.com at ISO3200
7D on left, 5D on right. .... and the winner is?? Detail, noise, resolution?
Love that crop cam and the NR..

http://elader.smugmug.com/photos/636728089_t53iP-O.jpg


Well, even if you look at the 7D ISO 100 the red cloth has less black color.. Maybe the cloth "washed out" over time.

[TsPoet]

I'm not seeing the comparisons you guys are posting. I compared the 7D to the 1D III (both wildlife/sports cameras) as well as the 7D to the 50D (two different shooting-type emphasis cameras, IMHO). I do see the color difference between the 7 and the 50, the color different isn't there between the 7 and the 1, though. But (and?), if you scroll down, the 7 is much sharper than the 50 (look at the edge of the crayon box).
For others who wish to play along
http://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM

[S-Man]

Just bought a 50d yesterday arg! Anyone want to buy a 50d with a shutter count of 70? lol

I think I will trade up for the 7d when it comes out!

Amazon had it for 1800 yesterday but now it says "Out of stock". So is it released or not?

[wndrlst]

Amazon had it for 1800 yesterday but now it says "Out of stock". So is it released or not?
It was only available for pre-order. It won't actually be released until (reportedly) later this month.

[LostShootingStar]

Yeah S-Man, only for pre-order. I got my pre-order in, can't wait now! http://entertainment-place.info/smile/img/4628/o09a0208gstn/POTNsmile.gifhttp://entertainment-place.info/smile/img/4629/n08d1214eybr/1by1.gif

[HYBEagle]

Mmmmm, the 100mm 2.8L Macro could complete my Prime list.

[Paco43]

Hello, I have a back ordered 5D..I do hockey pics mostly.I have a 40D now that I've promised my daughter. I do Hi-Def video now with a camcorder and sx200.Should I cancel my order and replace it with the 7D?

[cyruz]

I hope Gizmodo got the 15-85mm's price wrong... because U$D 800 for that lens sounds TOO MUCH! You could get a 17-40mm f/4L for less money... or spend a couple of Franklins more and get an EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS!


unless its meant to replace the 17-55 with a longer reach?

[lui-même]

Hello, I have a back ordered 5D..I do hockey pics mostly.I have a 40D now that I've promised my daughter. I do Hi-Def video now with a camcorder and sx200.Should I cancel my order and replace it with the 7D?

To give away the FF?
I wouldn't do it.

[TsPoet]

Hello, I have a back ordered 5D..I do hockey pics mostly.I have a 40D now that I've promised my daughter. I do Hi-Def video now with a camcorder and sx200.Should I cancel my order and replace it with the 7D?

To give away the FF?
I wouldn't do it.

I would, based on your statement "hockey pics" The 7D should be a wonderful sport/wildlife camera, many like the 1.6 "in camera crop" for that sort of thing. But, you'd be hedging your bets on an unknown factor right now. I'm waiting for a review to tell me that Canon has done what they claim to vis-a-vis noise reduction.
The 5D seems to win in the high ISO department, too - so indoor hockey maybe the 5D.
Also there is one pre-review that indicates that tracking a moving target using multi-focus points is problematic - is that important for your hockey pics?

[cccc]

the new AF should be pretty sweet. And with 8fps, you will likely get the shot you are yearning for. This, to me, sounds like an ideal camera for this situation.

[Paco43]

Tracking is very inportant! Like I said, I now use the 40D iso 3200..

[drummerhc]

I cant wait for the 8D

I'm guessing it would be a 7DII instead.

[Stealthy Ninja]

I heard a rumour that the 3D will be released!

:lol:

[coldplug]

I heard a rumour that the 3D will be released!

:lol:
Well, in fact it is released, look:
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=731258

:lol:

[Stealthy Ninja]

LOL did that thread fool you too? :lol:

[shaftmaster]

What's the point of Canon coming out with the new EF-S 18-135 f/3.5-5.6 IS lens when they already have the EF-S 18-200 f/3.5-5.6 IS lens? There doesn't seem to be much difference in these two lenses other than the obvious.

Is the expectation that the new 18-135 IS lens will come down in price and become a kit lens for 1.6x crop cameras (replacing the 28-135 IS lens)?

[MLphoto]

^ If you don't like them then don't buy them... Canon is just offering more lenses and gives people more options to choose from.

I personally think the 15-85mm will be perfect for everyday shooting.

[shaftmaster]

^ If you don't like them then don't buy them... Canon is just offering more lenses and gives people more options to choose from.

I personally think the 15-85mm will be perfect for everyday shooting.

I'm not saying I don't like the new EF-S lenses or that I'd buy any of them. Just wondering what Canon is thinking by bringing out a new lens that on the surface is nearly identical to an existing lens but has 65mm less focal length range and isn't much cheaper. Are the potential 18-200mm lens buyers really more interested in an 18-135mm lens that is $100 cheaper?

But your comment brings up another question, is the new EF-S 15-85mm lens going to replace the existing EF-S 17-85mm IS lens? Seems like alot of similarity there too.

[krb]

Are the potential 18-200mm lens buyers really more interested in an 18-135mm lens that is $100 cheaper?As a general rule, the smaller the zoom factor the better the image quality. There are many people who choose the 24-70L over the less expensive 24-105L because the 24-70 has less distortion on the wide end and many samples of the 24-105 get a little soft on the long end.

[shaftmaster]

As a general rule, the smaller the zoom factor the better the image quality. There are many people who choose the 24-70L over the less expensive 24-105L because the 24-70 has less distortion on the wide end and many samples of the 24-105 get a little soft on the long end.

I understand that, but you're comparing an f/2.8 non-IS lens to an f/4 IS lens, so there's much more difference in those two lenses.

I guess we'll have to wait and see what the new EF-S lenses IQ is like, but I don't see any reason to get too excited about either of them.

[krb]

...but I don't see any reason to get too excited about either of them.I took a quick look at your gear list and see no reason for you to get too excited about them either. There's no way they'll match the quality of what you already have.

[shaftmaster]

... except that my gear list link is now showing someone else's gear list -- rats!

[ash.m]

so with the new improved af system, is the 7d going to be better for fast action/sports than 5d, xxxd bodies etc (ie any idea if its going to be more inline with the 1d)?

cheers

ash

[krb]

so with the new improved af system, is the 7d going to be better for fast action/sports than 5d, xxxd bodies etc (ie any idea if its going to be more inline with the 1d)?
That is the theory...

[Medic85]

I'm not sold on this body yet. It looks nice and the feature upgrades over the 50D seem impressive but I'm not sold on the AF. I'm still leaning towards another 1D series body....one day.

[Atlandis]

I am keen to get 7d but I will wait a few months before I do, security reasons.. To know exactly what I get with this baby by user comments and images.

I love the new 100m lens and 15-85 but only if I choose 7d for my next purchase. If not, a second 5d2 or 1dm3 for sure :) I love these cameras.

any price reduction for those???

[Hangerhead]

there is a hands-on preview on the luminous-landscape site now.

[lavkesh]

18 MP on a cropped sensor? Isnt it too much guys? The laws of physics will have their say. Waiting for the review on dpreview

[krb]

18 MP on a cropped sensor? Isnt it too much guys? The laws of physics will have their say. Waiting for the review on dpreview
Why wait? There are -tons- of threads on these forums where people are posting their own impressions as well as tons of sample pics. And the general consensus seems to be that Canon got it right.

[lavkesh]

Why wait? There are -tons- of threads on these forums where people are posting their own impressions as well as tons of sample pics. And the general consensus seems to be that Canon got it right.
Its a brilliant camera, throughly revised but 18 mp is the only thing thats keeping me away. I tried it first hand at Canon Lounge here and wasnt too impressed with the IQ at high ISO.
The same cam at 12 MP or there abouts would have been just perfect. I dont know why Canon is cramming in more pixels with every new release. I would want to meet the product planners at Canon because they seem to be going P&S way with the megapixel highlight.

[krb]

Its a brilliant camera, throughly revised but 18 mp is the only thing thats keeping me away. I tried it first hand at Canon Lounge here and wasnt too impressed with the IQ at high ISO.
The same cam at 12 MP or there abouts would have been just perfect. I dont know why Canon is cramming in more pixels with every new release. I would want to meet the product planners at Canon because they seem to be going P&S way with the megapixel highlight.
You're saying the same stuff that a bunch of others have been saying, but the real world results are proving you guys wrong. Take a look at the high ISO shots in the "7D for sports" thread.

[GMCloud27]

I am a bit confused though--are they going to be merging the xxD line making the 7D? I ask because of the crop sensor on the 7D which makes me want to pick up a 5D still... :(

[krepta]

I am a bit confused though--are they going to be merging the xxD line making the 7D? I ask because of the crop sensor on the 7D which makes me want to pick up a 5D still... :(No, the 7D is not replacing the xxD line. It's a new line of its own, like the original 5D was a few years ago. There will be a 60D in the near future.

You may want to read through these threads for further details:
7D is not replacing any camera - New Line (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=746699)
7d means the end of the xxD series? (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=745372)
60D will have an 18MP sensor! (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=760576)And don't let the 1.6x crop factor turn you away from the 7D. It's an excellent camera. More than just deciding between Full Frame and crop, take a look at the other features on each camera and determine which feature-set best suits your needs. By the way, when you say 5D, do you mean the original 5D, or the 5D MkII?