Come on Canon make Full Frame EOS at an Affordable price

[Power Bank]

After your 5D full frame EOS, I could take a forgiving view of the 5D's highish price because I thought it was for genuine reasons such as to fund research etc. I felt you were pioneering the Digital SLRs. I waited for you to produce a full frame SLR at a more affordable price. In the past I had seen you produce new improved goods which were always better value for money than before.
Now you have the 5D Mk II at a ripoff price of some £2000 or more, your pricing has gone from bad to worse! I feel absolutely betrayed.

In the past I showed loyalty to you with my purchase of the Film Format EOS3 and the 50E as a back upbody and a clutch of "L" lenses.
I fall in the slot between the 5D Mk II and the 50D. For me ideally the 50D with its specs and the price bracket, should have been a full frame SLR. Come on Canon, can you address this niche with your genius?

Power Bank

[Subimatt]

its called the 5d mark 1. ;)


and IMO the 5d2 is worth every penny.

[Marloon]

So in the end, after all of this, what are you going to do? Chances are, you are going to give in and fork ghat money over.

[RDKirk]

The 5D2 is $500 cheaper than the 5D1 was when released (not even counting the effect of inflation), yet it's a superior camera. Canon is producing new improved goods that are better values for money than before.

I've been waiting a long time for a $15,000 Mercedes and a $300 Rolex. Darned rip-off companies.

[nicksan]

The 5D2 is $500 cheaper than the 5D1 was when released (not even counting the effect of inflation), yet it's a superior camera. Canon is producing new improved goods that are better values for money than before.

I've been waiting a long time for a $15,000 Mercedes and a $300 Rolex. Darned rip-off companies.

I can tell you where you can get a $10 Rolex...;)

[brownbugger]

guys any idea what a 5D would cost ? new ones which the local dealers might have in stock

[lungdoc]

No question 5DII is a superior camera, but there isn't a lot of room beneath it for a cheaper FF. Could eliminate video I suppose but that seems to me to be a software feature at this point and not a real money saver. Could put it in a 50D-like body with less sealing perhaps, hard to think of other places to 'save'. Sony certainly does bring up the example that it is possible to do FF for less.

I suspect that we might need to wait until 5D successor is released and perhaps then have a higher and lower end FF camera - one better than current 5DII, one similar to or somewhat lesser in some features.

[ddb]

I have been a loyal Canon user since 1972 when I bought my first F1. Now I am seriously considering moving to Sony. They have full frame bodies with built in IS for $2000, the only drawback is their lens line up. Not sure about other brands QC but I think that it's rather bad when you spend the kind of money that Canon asks for their products and the lens or body needs to be sent in for calibration.

[tupper]

its called the 5d mark 1. ;)


and IMO the 5d2 is worth every penny.

So worth it that this guy bought 2!

[gardengirl13]

I would finally upgrade if I could get a bare bones 5D type camera, only a little better IQ and better ISO at about 6400. I don't want all the other features, but I'm in a severe minority here. Of course my camera ideally would only cost about a grand since it won't have many features. I basically want my camera (30D) FF, that's it. I'd be happy.

[zincozinco]

its called the 5d mark 1. ;)



+1 its a great one too!!

[Subimatt]

Of course my camera ideally would only cost about a grand since it won't have many features. I basically want my camera (30D) FF, that's it. I'd be happy.

Thats pretty much the 5d mark 1 there.

[lungdoc]

Except the 5D Mk 1 is discontinued and over three years old now. Unfortunately they made the replacement with 'relatively' basic AF and other features and placed it roughly in the middle of the potential market: too much features etc. to sell it really cheap; too little to allow a cheaper FF model at the same time with similar sensor but less features.

[itzcryptic]

I would finally upgrade if I could get a bare bones 5D type camera, only a little better IQ and better ISO at about 6400. I don't want all the other features, but I'm in a severe minority here. Of course my camera ideally would only cost about a grand since it won't have many features. I basically want my camera (30D) FF, that's it. I'd be happy.

You want a full frame cheaper than the xxd bodies? Good luck!

What "features" are you talking about leaving out?

[gardengirl13]

You want a full frame cheaper than the xxd bodies? Good luck!

What "features" are you talking about leaving out?

In all honesty I only use the camera in manual, shutter or ap priority, I only mess with spot metering, since I don't have a light meter, and ISO. I never use any of the other features. I'd be happy with just that. I only shoot 1fps 99.99% of the time. I don't ever go into the scene modes. I don't use a flash. I don't bracket.

Heck I'm not sure what kind of simple photographer I am??!!:lol::o I might as well just use film! Pretty lame I know!

[alt4852]

I can tell you where you can get a $10 Rolex...;)

Friggin' NYC? ;)

I have been a loyal Canon user since 1972 when I bought my first F1. Now I am seriously considering moving to Sony. They have full frame bodies with built in IS for $2000, the only drawback is their lens line up. Not sure about other brands QC but I think that it's rather bad when you spend the kind of money that Canon asks for their products and the lens or body needs to be sent in for calibration.

why do you want a full frame body?

(looking for a serious answer here, not trolling.)

[jacobsen1]

is it just a coincidence the 7D was announced yesterday and now today someone is bitching about the 5Dii's pricetag? :rolleyes:

The 5Dii gives you a lot for the money. It's less than the 5D was at it's launch and is SOLD OUT EVERYWHERE.... So it's certainly not too expensive, if anything they could RAISE the price. That doesn't make it inexpensive, but it's worth what they're charging if you can swing it.

the 5D is the budget FF option. It's a wicked camera, so buy one used and enjoy it.

I can tell you where you can get a $10 Rolex...;)

yeah, help me with the ~$15k mb though wouldya?!

[lungdoc]

In all honesty I only use the camera in manual, shutter or ap priority, I only mess with spot metering, since I don't have a light meter, and ISO. I never use any of the other features. I'd be happy with just that. I only shoot 1fps 99.99% of the time. I don't ever go into the scene modes. I don't use a flash. I don't bracket.

Heck I'm not sure what kind of simple photographer I am??!! I might as well just use film! Pretty lame I know!


Problem is that most of what you've described is just cheap software stuff. My guess in terms of the cost of 'features' would be very roughly: sensor > autofocus > continuous shooting rate > "body solidity and sealing" > LCD > controls > metering. To have a separation in the range of FF cameras you'd likely need to have a model with 7D-like metering and speed and then another model with 50D-like body, AF etc. and probably a a lower MP sensor like D700/5D I .

[ed rader]

I would finally upgrade if I could get a bare bones 5D type camera, only a little better IQ and better ISO at about 6400. I don't want all the other features, but I'm in a severe minority here. Of course my camera ideally would only cost about a grand since it won't have many features. I basically want my camera (30D) FF, that's it. I'd be happy.


so you want them to sell you a FF camera for less than the cost of the sensor :D?

ed rader

[lungdoc]

the 5D is the budget FF option. It's a wicked camera, so buy one used and enjoy it.


The popularity of the 5D at its age is a reason to have a new, "budget FF" option (if possible) as it shows the demand.

[gardengirl13]

Yeah I don't really need more MP then the 30D, the metering on it is fine for what I shoot, I'd like a body where I can go out in more then a drizzle, but my lenses may melt and I don't want new lenses, AF in my camera is fine for me, the LCD is fine. I really am a simple girl with simple tastes. All I really need is to pare down the 30D to something more basic but add a bigger FF sensor.

[gardengirl13]

so you want them to sell you a FF camera for less than the cost of the sensor :D?

ed rader

yeah! :lol:

[matonanjin]

After your 5D full frame EOS, I could take a forgiving view of the 5D's highish price because I thought it was for genuine reasons such as to fund research etc. I felt you were pioneering the Digital SLRs. I waited for you to produce a full frame SLR at a more affordable price. In the past I had seen you produce new improved goods which were always better value for money than before.
Now you have the 5D Mk II at a ripoff price of some £2000 or more, your pricing has gone from bad to worse! I feel absolutely betrayed.

In the past I showed loyalty to you with my purchase of the Film Format EOS3 and the 50E as a back upbody and a clutch of "L" lenses.
I fall in the slot between the 5D Mk II and the 50D. For me ideally the 50D with its specs and the price bracket, should have been a full frame SLR. Come on Canon, can you address this niche with your genius?

Power Bank

Now all the Canon shareholders probably won't be able to sleep tonight.:rolleyes:

[Seanzky]

I agree to this pitch. Hehe. Being a dad with just a "barely enough" income and big on photography (I think the worse hobby for a broke guy), I think Canon should come out with a pro body that's affordable for us. I know what we're asking for is a lot and I know all current bodies are worth every penny in their own rights. But if Canon can somehow re-introduce the 5D 'classic' with semi-upgraded features using the latest sensor and keeping pretty much everything else the same, it would be a huge hit. It wouldn't be a step backwards for Canon seeing that photography has a huge market and many entry-level shooters they've won over with their wonderful XSi and T1i would really like to move up to a FF they can afford. I mean, current 'classic' and FF body owners won't jump all over it but everyone else who don't own one will. And that is a lot of people! Canon can make a killing with a move like that. It would certainly shock competitors and put a big dent in their sales.

[alt4852]

yeah! :lol:

if only it were that easy. maybe you can have stealthy create a poll on whether or not forum members would sign a petition to make canon an non-profit organization. ;)

[jphendren]

How much could Canon build the 5D for now? The technology in it is pretty mature. If they could build and sell the 5D for $1,400-1,600 now it may sell well again. What do you guys think? I had one, it had everything that a DSLR really needs for most people.

Jared

[Seanzky]

How much could Canon build the 5D for now? The technology in it is pretty mature. If they could build and sell the 5D for $1,400-1,600 now it may sell well again. What do you guys think? I had one, it had everything that a DSLR really needs for most people.

Jared

I just said it a few posts above you. I honestly think Canon will make tons of photographers happy by reintroducing the 5D 'classic'.

[alt4852]

How much could Canon build the 5D for now? The technology in it is pretty mature. If they could build and sell the 5D for $1,400-1,600 now it may sell well again. What do you guys think? I had one, it had everything that a DSLR really needs for most people.

Jared

just add a better AF system, weather seals, and a spiffy new LCD and i'll pay $2000 for it. :D

[Power Bank]

Don't get me wrong. I am not rubbishing the 5D II. I am sure it is a good piece of equipment and right for some people. For me it is pitched too high both in price and the specs with a wide gap below. It is just too much camera for a keen amateur. I don't see myself using some features such as the histograms or such a large number of Custom Functions.

Lets be honest, hands up who use the histograms and some of the obscure Custom Functions, commensurate with the publicity / sales hype given to them?

I grant you there are professional type people or studio users for whom these setting are invaluable - But then for them there are the EOS 1D and the top one EOS1Ds.

I think gardengirl13 and lungdoc above have got the point I am making. Look below from the 5DII and there is nothing modest with FF.

Power Bank

[puggle]

Honestly, the price of the 5D MkII does not bother me, as much as the slow frame rate, it's still NOT fully weather sealed, out-of-date focus system, and I don't like what I'm hearing about how the battery grip fits.

The new 7D has all those great features, except full frame, and in some ways, surpases the 5DMKII, for a fraction of the price.

I think I'm going to wait until they make the improvements I want in the next version of the 5D Mk _ _!!

[jphendren]

"Lets be honest, hands up who use the histograms and some of the obscure Custom Functions"

Who does not use the histograms? Those tell you if the image is optimally exposed.

As far as custom functions go, I use the mirror-up function all of the time. It would be nice if Canon would look at a Nikon F5 and copy its mirror-lock lever feature, but that is probably never going to happen.

Jared

Jared

[sharrowm]

Lets be honest, hands up who use the histograms and some of the obscure Custom Functions, commensurate with the publicity / sales hype given to them?

Power Bank

Histogram, really? P&S cameras that sell for less than $200 have histograms. I get your point, but that's a bad example. And I can assure you that if canon left it out there would be far more photographers yelling about that than complain about the lack of a budget FF camera.

[MaDProFF]

I personally think the 5D MK2 is well over priced.

[Power Bank]

I agree to this pitch. Hehe. Being a dad with just a "barely enough" income and big on photography (I think the worse hobby for a broke guy), I think Canon should come out with a pro body that's affordable for us. I know what we're asking for is a lot and I know all current bodies are worth every penny in their own rights. But if Canon can somehow re-introduce the 5D 'classic' with semi-upgraded features using the latest sensor and keeping pretty much everything else the same, it would be a huge hit. It wouldn't be a step backwards for Canon seeing that photography has a huge market and many entry-level shooters they've won over with their wonderful XSi and T1i would really like to move up to a FF they can afford. I mean, current 'classic' and FF body owners won't jump all over it but everyone else who don't own one will. And that is a lot of people! Canon can make a killing with a move like that. It would certainly shock competitors and put a big dent in their sales.

Absolutely spot-on Sean. Thanx. I hope Canon read your post and I look forward to the developments in future.

Power Bank

[Southswede]

I can tell you where you can get a $10 Rolex...;)

OH!! You must be talking about that "Wall Street Jeweler" I met a couple of years ago!! ;)

[wernersl]

I have been a loyal Canon user since 1972 when I bought my first F1. Now I am seriously considering moving to Sony. They have full frame bodies with built in IS for $2000, the only drawback is their lens line up. Not sure about other brands QC but I think that it's rather bad when you spend the kind of money that Canon asks for their products and the lens or body needs to be sent in for calibration.

enjoy the poor noise performance in comparison with canon.

[lungdoc]

Solution = two "non 1D" FF cameras: 1 with 7D features + 5DII sensor; other with 12-14 MP sensor and 50D/5D I features/body. Much landscape/wedding/portrait and other 'slower' forms of photography want the sensor but don't need the FPS, top-notch AF or really tough body.

Not holding my breath! If 7D is as good as it seems it may take away SOME of that need anyway.

[wernersl]

I agree to this pitch. Hehe. Being a dad with just a "barely enough" income and big on photography (I think the worse hobby for a broke guy), I think Canon should come out with a pro body that's affordable for us. I know what we're asking for is a lot and I know all current bodies are worth every penny in their own rights. But if Canon can somehow re-introduce the 5D 'classic' with semi-upgraded features using the latest sensor and keeping pretty much everything else the same, it would be a huge hit. It wouldn't be a step backwards for Canon seeing that photography has a huge market and many entry-level shooters they've won over with their wonderful XSi and T1i would really like to move up to a FF they can afford. I mean, current 'classic' and FF body owners won't jump all over it but everyone else who don't own one will. And that is a lot of people! Canon can make a killing with a move like that. It would certainly shock competitors and put a big dent in their sales.
just go buy a 5d classic then. the camera is still supported by canon so service isnt an issue. lets be honest...most people toting around the xsi, etc are also toting ef-s lenses, which are useless to FF cameras. so now we will hear complaints about them not offering L series lenses at budget prices? i will tell you that i would rather have a lower end body with good glass than a kick ass body with a budget lens. trust me...a poor performing lens is only amplified by a body like the 5d. if you want budget full frame...get a used 5d or step back to film. i dont see them producing FF for under 2k for quite some time. sure sony did it...but i wouldnt be nearly as happy with IQ from their over-rated sensor as i am with IQ from my mere 12.8 mpx 5dc. i dont mean to sound like an ass but "pro" bodies are reserved for just that...professionals. using these tools for a living. they are considered an investment.

besides...to mirror what others have said...the 5dII is leaps n bounds above the 5d in resolution and features (minus the AF system) and it is offered at 500 less than the 5d. add to that 4 years of inflation and i think its quite a bargain. you could always go after the d700 but that will run you the same as the 5dII and you lose video and resolution (gaining a nice AF system though). the market is bearing the price of the 5dII so they have no incentive to reduce the cost of FF at this time.

[Lowner]

Canon introduced the Eos-3 with a suberb set of features, but have since ignored that sector of the market. Maybe the introduction of the 7D is an attempt at market repositioning ready for a digital 3?

My ideal 3D would be full frame, 25 MP or more, absolutely NO Video nonsense, 25-3200ISO, AF as good as its namesake, full button operated just like big brother the 1Ds, far fewer "gimmicks", fully weather sealed, no direct print stupidity, a dedicated and idiot proof MLU button, built in grip (again, like big bro) and built to go anywhere.

Basically, an updated 1Ds with all the essentials top notch, but with fewer fripperies. Whenever I use my Eos-3 I'm amazed at how good a camera it is.

[lungdoc]

Your 3D sounds far too close to 1Ds in the features that really cost the money to be realistic. I'd prefer a non-built in grip, weather sealed, FF, '7D or better' AF.

[Rey]

Honestly, the price of the 5D MkII does not bother me, as much as the slow frame rate, it's still NOT fully weather sealed, out-of-date focus system, and I don't like what I'm hearing about how the battery grip fits.

The new 7D has all those great features, except full frame, and in some ways, surpases the 5DMKII, for a fraction of the price.

I think I'm going to wait until they make the improvements I want in the next version of the 5D Mk _ _!!

What exactly are you hearing about how the battery grip fits? The Canon battery grip fits perfectly on my 5D2 and conforms better with the shape of the body than does the grip for the xxD series.

[Orlandoech]

Power Bank likes to bitch.... and cry and moan.

Power Bank, get over it. If you dont like it, go to another Brand. Then you can find stuff about that brand to bitch about. Companies dont make products SOLEY for you, they target a group of individuals. And they targed the 7D and 5D II for just them. Not for the 13yr old kid who wants a Bentley for $100.

[Andrushka]

I have been a loyal Canon user since 1972 when I bought my first F1. Now I am seriously considering moving to Sony. They have full frame bodies with built in IS for $2000, the only drawback is their lens line up. Not sure about other brands QC but I think that it's rather bad when you spend the kind of money that Canon asks for their products and the lens or body needs to be sent in for calibration.

Sony's equivalent lenses are much more expensive than Canons - buying that body and a decent lens would cost no less (maybe even more) than a 5Dm2 and a 24-105 kit for example

[Lowner]

Lungdoc,

"Your 3D sounds far too close to 1Ds"

The current 1Ds, you would be right there, but I'm thinking that the replacement for that will not be long coming and will raise the stakes quite a bit. If it does not, then Nikon will continue to gain market share. To make a 3D more affordable I'd give away some fps, but it would have to be far faster at everything than current digitals, they seem sluggish in comparison to my 3.

[Orlandoech]

Sony's equivalent lenses are much more expensive than Canons - buying that body and a decent lens would cost no less (maybe even more) than a 5Dm2 and a 24-105 kit for example


Its funny how people don't realize the math inolved and assume its "cheaper". Canon > Sony imo regardless of prices of cams/lenses/accessories.

[toxic]

Canon introduced the Eos-3 with a suberb set of features, but have since ignored that sector of the market. Maybe the introduction of the 7D is an attempt at market repositioning ready for a digital 3?

That's what I'm thinking. With the 7D, now there's small steps from entry-level to 1-series (assuming the 60D hasn't been dropped). It's very plausible that Canon will do the same with 35mm, introducing a 3D at around or slightly more than the current 5DII price point and dropping the 5D price.

It's even more likely considering that there were EOS 1, 3, 5, and 7 film cameras, and the only one left to jump to digital is the 3. We'll see in 2-3 years, when the 5DIII is finishing development...

[alt4852]

Canon introduced the Eos-3 with a suberb set of features, but have since ignored that sector of the market. Maybe the introduction of the 7D is an attempt at market repositioning ready for a digital 3?

My ideal 3D would be full frame, 25 MP or more, absolutely NO Video nonsense, 25-3200ISO, AF as good as its namesake, full button operated just like big brother the 1Ds, far fewer "gimmicks", fully weather sealed, no direct print stupidity, a dedicated and idiot proof MLU button, built in grip (again, like big bro) and built to go anywhere.

Basically, an updated 1Ds with all the essentials top notch, but with fewer fripperies. Whenever I use my Eos-3 I'm amazed at how good a camera it is.

lowner, i think you have to drop the torch and pitchfork with the whole video thing. i see you decry it's integration everywhere, but the fact of the matter is that it's a simple software tweak to add it into a feature set and it does not raise the prices of the bodies any while making them all more marketable (canon is after all, a for-profit company). i think video is here to stay and since it doesn't affect price or function of still frames, if you don't like it, just don't use it.

[GorgeShooter]

and IMO the 5d2 is worth every penny.

++++1

I know the 5D1 is now far less than the 5D2 but remember that when the 5D1 came out it was $3400 ($700 more than the 5D2).

[Orlandoech]

lowner, i think you have to drop the torch and pitchfork with the whole video thing. i see you decry it's integration everywhere, but the fact of the matter is that it's a simple software tweak to add it into a feature set and it does not raise the prices of the bodies any while making them all more marketable (canon is after all, a for-profit company). i think video is here to stay and since it doesn't affect price or function of still frames, if you don't like it, just don't use it.



amen

[jacobsen1]

Lets be honest, hands up who use the histograms and some of the obscure Custom Functions, commensurate with the publicity / sales hype given to them?

all the time, otherwise I'd be shooting film! And I use quite a few of the custom functions. Some of the bells and whistles I might skip, but I use probably half the CFs? You know, the ones that were on our film bodies ~10 years ago? :rolleyes:

[CyberDyneSystems]

Canon introduced the Eos-3 with a suberb set of features, but have since ignored that sector of the market. Maybe the introduction of the 7D is an attempt at market repositioning ready for a digital 3?...

7D is exactly what the "3D" mythological camera has been reputed to be for nearly a decade.

"Put Pro AF in an affordable body like the EOS 3"
"Put Pro speeds in an affordable body like the EOS 3"
"I want the weather sealing in the 1 series in a smaller lighter more affordable camera,. like the EOS 3"

7D is all that an more. Canon should have just named it 3D to finally put this damn thing to rest.

Why not buy a 7D and change the 7 to a 3 with a sharpie? :)

I don't get it, Canon gives it to us and the same day we bitch that we still didn't get the 3D ?

[alt4852]

7D is exactly what the "3D" mythological camera has been reputed to be for nearly a decade.

"Put Pro AF in an affordable body like the EOS 3"
"Put Pro speeds in an affordable body like the EOS 3"
"I want the weather sealing in the 1 series in a smaller lighter more affordable camera,. like the EOS 3"

7D is all that an more. Canon should have just named it 3D to finally put this damn thing to rest.

Why not buy a 7D and change the 7 to a 3 with a sharpie? :)

I don;t get it, Canon gives it to us and the same day we bitch that we still didn't get the 3D ?

an EOS 3 doesn't make my 24mm into a 38mm. ;)

[dkim3202]

I have been a loyal Canon user since 1972 when I bought my first F1. Now I am seriously considering moving to Sony. They have full frame bodies with built in IS for $2000, the only drawback is their lens line up. Not sure about other brands QC but I think that it's rather bad when you spend the kind of money that Canon asks for their products and the lens or body needs to be sent in for calibration.

I'd think long and hard on that one. I came from a Sony Alpha to Canon for that exact reason- lens selection. Sure, you can check out ebay for Minolta AF lenses but along with the Sony lenses it's just not enough IMO.

[CyberDyneSystems]

an EOS 3 doesn't make my 24mm into a 38mm. ;)

Your just asking for the next 5D to have the features of the 7D,.

I think it will too.

[bomzai]

yeah, help me with the ~$15k mb though wouldya?!

Ever heard of Chinese autos? ;)

[alt4852]

Your just asking for the next 5D to have the features of the 7D,.

I think it will too.

yea, that's what i've been trying to say. the 7d isn't what people wanted from the hypothetical 3d, i think the 5dmk3 will more likely be closer to what we're looking for. ;)

[Tom Reichner]

I would finally upgrade if I could get a bare bones 5D type camera, only a little better IQ and better ISO at about 6400. I don't want all the other features, but I'm in a severe minority here. Of course my camera ideally would only cost about a grand since it won't have many features. I basically want my camera (30D) FF, that's it. I'd be happy.

Gardengirl, what you seem to be describing is the 5D. It's as bare bones as can be, yet full frame. And it's as cheap as a full frame can possibly be. If you really want what you say you want, then the 5D is perfect for you. Full frame, no other features, and therefore as cheap as can be.

[wernersl]

Gardengirl, what you seem to be describing is the 5D. It's as bare bones as can be, yet full frame. And it's as cheap as a full frame can possibly be. If you really want what you say you want, then the 5D is perfect for you. Full frame, no other features, and therefore as cheap as can be.

and since when did the 30d do iso 6400?? just sayin

[jphendren]

I don't feel that the 7D is equivalent to the EOS-3. The EOS-3 had 45 point pro AF, full weather sealing with pro build quality. If they could offer all of those features without hurting EOS-1n sales back then, why would a 3D hurt EOS-1ds sales anymore today?

Jared

[bigcountry]

all of these people that are whining and crying just need to step up to the plate. if photography is that big of a part in your life, cancel your internet, cancel your cable tv, cancel your cell phones, etc and you can buy yourself a nice full frame camera.

until then...don't cry on my shoulder.

[CyberDyneSystems]

yea, that's what i've been trying to say. the 7d isn't what people wanted from the hypothetical 3d,...

Well, here I do disagree, as it simply depends on what people we are talking about.
Be Aware that the "3D" name was fist rumored about in 2004,. and for most of it's hypothetical dreamlike existence, it was rumored to be Exactly what the 7D turned out to be.

ie: an affordable CROP sensor body with 1 series features like FPS, AF and Weather sealing.

Tomes do change, but It's only in the last few years that the recurring dreams of the 3D have included on occasion the additional desire for FF,... though mostly it was still emphasis on affordable with pro features, the compromise, the thing that makes it affordable as opposed to 1Ds was to be sensor size.


Either way., I'm pretty sure the 7D is going to start a trend for Canon to add more of the high end festures into the more affordable bodies,. they have to to compete witht eh Nikon offerings, and now with there own 7D.

5D MkII is an awesome camera, but to pay twice as much for significantly reduced features than this new 7D? IMHO, 5D MkIII or some form of feature rich FF will be needed soon.

[2004ep3hatch]

If the images from the 7d are jut as nice as the 5d's I don't see why people will go to full frame when they can get the same quality from. hmmm.

[Power Bank]

If the images from the 7d are jut as nice as the 5d's I don't see why people will go to full frame when they can get the same quality from. hmmm.

Good thought. Undoubtedly 7D promises to be a hit but at present the problem of EF-S is the shortage of "L" class lenses. The output of crop cameras far outweighs this class lens which Canon has recognized and begun to put right with classy type new 15-85mm zoom, although not an "L"

Power Bank

[jorkata]

I've been waiting a long time for a $15,000 Mercedes and a $300 Rolex. Darned rip-off companies.

ROFLMAO !!!

bw!

Think about it, guys - Canon is selling you a 1.6x Rebel for $899.

And yet, (some) people expect that Canon will somehow pair this offer with a $1600 FF - preferably with better AF, frame rate, and weather sealing than the 5DII. ???

[RDKirk]

The popularity of the 5D at its age is a reason to have a new, "budget FF" option (if possible) as it shows the demand.

Just the opposite. As a professional photographer (or anyone in sales), I already know the rule is, "If you have more business than you can handle, raise your prices."

The 5D2 is a budget 24x36mm. Look at the camera's construction--the only "premium" thing about it is the size of the sensor. Everything else is strictly consumer level. There isn't anything else that can be made any cheaper than an xxD camera.

Sorry, but thinking that leaving xxD tech out of the 5D2 would make it cheaper is a fantasy. They would have to make it a 24x36mm Rebel...but a 24x36mm sensor can't be made cheap enough for people to buy it in a Rebel body. That would be like trying to sell a Ford Focus with leather seats.

How much could Canon build the 5D for now? The technology in it is pretty mature. If they could build and sell the 5D for $1,400-1,600 now it may sell well again. What do you guys think? I had one, it had everything that a DSLR really needs for most people.


That would be like telling Toyota that re-releasing last decade's auto would be a big hit. The problem with that though is every generation designed for more efficient assembly than the last generation. Last decade's auto costs too much to be built today.

Canon has said the same thing about their camera design. They say the reason they can offer more for less each model is because each successive model is designed for more efficient assembly. The 5D1 undoubtedly costs more to build than the 5D2--so they'd probably have to charge just as much for it as they charge for the 5D2.

Moreover, they don't keep discreet assembly lines for each product. To continue with the 5D1, they would have to have separate lines for a whole host of components unique to that camera that are common across lines today.

"Let's release a new camera exactly like the old camera." Jeez, the online pundits would declare that Canon had completely run out of new ideas. The forums would go off like pop bottle rockets. Stockholders would jump ship.

[Scampo]

While marketing would make the 3D a bit silly, I could see Canon releasing something in the realm of what it would be. Possibly a 6D?

[haiko]

allthough i would love to see a ff-rebel next year, it's obvious that this will remain a whish within the next 10 years.

as stated above, the poor-mans FF-body is on the second-hand markt. buy a used one

[Pauldel1]

The used market on the 5d classic is incredible. $1000 - $1200 for a great camera? I've got more than enough to learn - it's not the equipment standing in the way of good photos. Good photos are more than the equipment.

[alessandro2009]

Question:
Come on Canon make Full Frame EOS at an Affordable price
Answer:
Sure if Canon don't filled the new version with many megapixels, and confined itself to improving substantially the AF, would be a killer product.
They could launch a similar product even for 1500 dollar as initial price.
The choice was different and the result was 2000 dollar as initial price.

On a FF the megapixel on Canon 5d mark ii aren't too many, but add high density on a sensor is a lot expensive and also each time require improve algorithm on the firmware for better manage the residual noise and better quality lenses to retain the detail.

While if they remain on the precedence resolution they could put a wonderful AF, avoid
project costs for the sensor, using better electronic components (always more powerful and even less expensive), so they could sell a "cheap" FF.