Are kits available to bounce the built-in flash?

[fug.li]

In a camera like Canon 400D.

[Psychobiker]

Yes. The Fonglydongly (Gary Fong) Puffer. Actually most other Gary Fong products.

Absolutely useless.

[gonzogolf]

In a camera like Canon 400D.

Not effectively, its directional. Think of the built in flash like you would the donut spare tire in a rental car. In a pinch it might get you to the next stop, but dont look at it as any sort of solution. If you've advanced to the point of wanting to bounce its time for an external flash.

[Psychobiker]

^
QFT. For $<100 you could by ueber cheeep triggers and a flash (Yongnuo) and do a *whole* lot better. Build a diffuser. I just walked a new-found friend through it and the results are surprisingly good!

[fug.li]

Not effectively, its directional. Think of the built in flash like you would the donut spare tire in a rental car. In a pinch it might get you to the next stop, but dont look at it as any sort of solution. If you've advanced to the point of wanting to bounce its time for an external flash.
I am slowly converting to Canon and yes I will be getting the 580 EX II soon (just sold my Nikon SB-200). However, even when I do get that, I understand that I probably won't be using it all that much since I am generally already shy about the huge size of my camera in front of my comrades. :)

Will google Gary Fong now, thanks!

Btw., how good would this one be: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230358276101. It is 50 bucks and sold from Hong Kong though. :(

[Psychobiker]

Bad. Still will get the 'rabbit-in-headlights' that happens with on-axis flash

[gonzogolf]

If you are worried about size, then the arena of flash photography is going to be a problem. The size of a light source determines its softness, along with its proximity to the subject, but its fair to say bigger is better if you want nice soft light for shooting photos of people.

Please dont spend any money on any device to put on your pop up flash. If you must use it, put a piece of white tissue paper in front of it, just as good as those things and only costs a few pennies and you can blow your nose on it afterward. There are laws of physics that control the dynamics of light, none of those tools can change that.

[Psychobiker]

A 400d is far from huge, try something like a 1D+600L for size :D.

I'd not panic about that. Break off the pop-up flash, it'll only deceive you as to what light can do! There are absolute masters of light here (Lorek...), pay attention 007!

[fug.li]

If you are worried about size, then the arena of flash photography is going to be a problem. The size of a light source determines its softness, along with its proximity to the subject, but its fair to say bigger is better if you want nice soft light for shooting photos of people.

Please dont spend any money on any device to put on your pop up flash. If you must use it, put a piece of white tissue paper in front of it, just as good as those things and only costs a few pennies and you can blow your nose on it afterward. There are laws of physics that control the dynamics of light, none of those tools can change that.

Thanks a lot. Think I'll just get the 580 II now. :) This forum is indeed awesome. Thanks again!

A 400d is far from huge, try something like a 1D+600L for size :D.

I'd not panic about that. Break off the pop-up flash, it'll only deceive you as to what light can do! There are absolute masters of light here (Lorek...), pay attention 007!

Lol. :lol:

[Psychobiker]

A 580 could be overkill, depends what you want to do with it, and if you start putting it in umbrellas/softboxes (firing by ST-E2), then forget ETTL. Radio and manual mode could be more beneficial, and then the point of having an off-camera ETTL capable strobe is nullified unless it'll reside on camera sometimes.

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[bohdank]

On camera 580, normal room light with bounced flash. If you are going to bounce the light, which I recommend, there is no reason you cannot get decent shots.

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