Canon EF-S 17-55 2.8 IS MK2?

[.mark.]

Anyone think canon will release a mark 2 of the 17-55 ef-s lens with weather sealing? Since the 7d is weather sealed it would make sense to have the high end ef-s lens matching it for a weather sealed system?

[krepta]

I don't think this will happen. The 7D features weather resistance, but it is not completely weather-sealed like the 1D series are. So regardless of what lens you put on it (even a fully sealed L lens) won't make it a fully weather-sealed system anyway.

Besides, Canon would not release a version II of the 17-55 just to add weather-sealing. It would have to be improved in the optics at least, and maybe the build and IS system as well. But, as it is, the 17-55 is already an excellent performer. I can't see Canon justifying an upgrade to this lens any time soon, especially since there are plenty of other lenses in their lineup that are in need of an upgrade.

[iAMB]

I dont really see it happening. Im not sure many people would pay the extra for an already expensive lens, unless some big improvements were made. Just my thoughts.

[nexsim]

maybe a EF-S 15-70mm f/2.8 IS instead :D

[Project22a]

maybe a EF-S 15-70mm f/2.8 IS instead :D

That would keep me on a crop for an extremely long time.

[.mark.]

maybe a EF-S 15-70mm f/2.8 IS instead :D

and while we're at it lets make that EF-S 15-70mm f/2.8 IS USM L. If only....

[.mark.]

...The 7D features weather resistance, but it is not completely weather-sealed like the 1D series are...

Did I not read that it had the same level of weather resistance as a 1Dn series somewhere? So is that not up to the level of 1D/1DS?

[krepta]

Did I not read that it had the same level of weather resistance as a 1Dn series somewhere? So is that not up to the level of 1D/1DS?It's the EOS-1N film camera, from 1994, not the current 1D digital SLR's.

From dpreview:
Environmental Sealing. The camera comes with weather sealing that is apparently equivalent to the EOS 1N (launched in 1994, remember?). [...]http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canoneos7d/page3.asp (scroll down towards the middle)

[sth_]

It's the EOS-1N film camera, from 1994
Which was Canon's most professional SLR from 1994 to 2000, so the sealing is probably not that bad... ;)

[krepta]

Which was Canon's most professional SLR from 1994 to 2000, so the sealing is probably not that bad... I'm sure it's very good even though it's not on par with the 1D series. Even good old 30D's and 40D's can withstand light rain and a decent amount of moisture and dust. Not that many users will need to shoot in extreme conditions as part of their work. Then, there are always those things called rain covers or weather covers for those who really want to go out there and brave the elements.

[nphsbuckeye]

and while we're at it lets make that EF-S 15-70mm f/2.8 IS USM L. If only....
Giving it an "L" designation doesn't make it take pictures better.

[.mark.]

Giving it an "L" designation doesn't make it take pictures better.

but it might mean it's not made out of plastic

[krepta]

but it might mean it's not made out of plasticThe build of the 17-55 is already significantly better than those plastic lenses, such as your 50 1.8.

There are already plenty of discussion in other threads here regarding EF-S and the 'L' designation; the general consensus is that EF-S lenses will never get the 'L' designation, even if one is constructed close to an L lens (in terms of performance, IQ, build, etc.). It's mostly just for marketing.

[apersson850]

A determination which may soften a bit, now when they have launched an EF-S compatible camera with a more professional touch (the 7D, of course).

[cyruz]

That would keep me on a crop for an extremely long time.

add me to that

[KenjiS]

maybe a EF-S 15-70mm f/2.8 IS instead :D

Actually i was thinking it would be a 15-55 f/2.8 IS

I'm not sure you could do a 15-70 and keep it relatively light and compact like the current one...if they could, then huzzah to them ;)

[krepta]

Actually i was thinking it would be a 15-55 f/2.8 ISI'm up for that. Either a EF-S 15-55 f/2.8 IS or EF-S 15-65 f/4 IS. I think these would be doable.

I'm not sure you could do a 15-70 and keep it relatively light and compact like the current one...if they could, then huzzah to them ;)I would be impressed! But chances are, if they manage to make a lens with this kind of FL range and f/2.8, they would do it on a EF lens rather than a EF-S. Something like the EF 24-105* f/2.8 IS a lot of people have been wishing for!

*15-70 would actually be 24-112, of course.

[nphsbuckeye]

but it might mean it's not made out of plastic
Plastic's not as good as metal, but I've been in the rain with my 28-135 before and lived to tell about it. Plus knowing Canon, they would jack the price up a few hundred for only a metal body.

[sonofjesse]

This is not going to happen..there tons more lenses they have to update before one of the newest ones this can't even be on the next 5 year list...........

[KenjiS]

Plastic's not as good as metal, but I've been in the rain with my 28-135 before and lived to tell about it. Plus knowing Canon, they would jack the price up a few hundred for only a metal body.

Do not make me start whipping out the pictures of what i've done to my gear ;P

I'm sure Krepta is sick of seeing them by now :)

[krepta]

Do not make me start whipping out the pictures of what i've done to my gear ;P

I'm sure Krepta is sick of seeing them by now :)No, no, I am very much still amused each time I see them! It's especially fun when you show them to people who ask for full weather-sealing (a la 1D) on xxD models and lower, and non-L lenses! (not to mention, many don't realize that not all L lenses are weather-sealed)

At least so far I haven't seen the same photos of you taking your gear to the limit!

[thw]

I don't think this will happen. The 7D features weather resistance, but it is not completely weather-sealed like the 1D series are. So regardless of what lens you put on it (even a fully sealed L lens) won't make it a fully weather-sealed system anyway.

Well, here's something to look at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cFS83r3c3U&hd=1

Yup, the 7D under a shower with a weather-sealed L lens attached. :lol: Previously, it was the Olympus E-3 that underwent a shower to demonstrate its weather proofing capabilities.

[krepta]

Well, here's something to look at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cFS83r3c3U&hd=1

Yup, the 7D under a shower with a weather-sealed L lens attached. :lol: Previously, it was the Olympus E-3 that underwent a shower to demonstrate its weather proofing capabilities.Interesting that they showed that scene but made no comments in regards to it. Maybe the camera fried afterward? Lol... But I'm sure it was fine, though. I've said it before, I have exposed my 40D and 17-55 to light rain for a good amount of time on a few occasions. And KenjiS has done worse to his 30D! So I'm sure the 7D's sealing is very good, even though it is not as substantial as the 1D series. There's a reason Canon made sure to state that it is comparable to the EOS 1N. They don't want a bunch of users complaining or filing lawsuits because their 7D malfunctioned after being deliberately exposed to extreme environments!

[KenjiS]

And KenjiS has done worse to his 30D! !

So very VERY tempted when i get my 7D to see -how- much i can put the 30D through until it fails...

I love it so much because i just dont worry about it getting wet ;) Geesh, I'm going to feel invincible with a 7D!

[krepta]

So very VERY tempted when i get my 7D to see -how- much i can put the 30D through until it fails...

I love it so much because i just dont worry about it getting wet ;) Geesh, I'm going to feel invincible with a 7D!Be careful, you may unwittingly become the official POTN ruggedness and weather-resistance tester! No problem there when the tests pass, but when there is a failure, it wouldn't be much fun. :lol:

Well, if you are able to determine the maximum your 30D can handle, you will know that your 7D can go at least that far without failing (if Canon's claim is correct). Not too bad of a trade-off?

[KenjiS]

Be careful, you may unwittingly become the official POTN ruggedness and weather-resistance tester! No problem there when the tests pass, but when there is a failure, it wouldn't be much fun. :lol:

Well, if you are able to determine the maximum your 30D can handle, you will know that your 7D can go at least that far without failing (if Canon's claim is correct). Not too bad of a trade-off?

see I'm just not sure besides doing anything -blatantly- stupid what else to do to it, My 30D has been in MANY rainstorms for multiple hours at a time, Soaked me and the camera till it looked like i dumped it in a lake, and still kept shooting and shooting and shooting..

I took it outside in sub-zero temperatures with no problems, Did long exposures in them even

http://kenjis9965.deviantart.com/art/Dance-1-105547938

^- like that, Not much snow at that moment, But its also about -15 at the time

[krepta]

see I'm just not sure besides doing anything -blatantly- stupid what else to do to it, My 30D has been in MANY rainstorms for multiple hours at a time, Soaked me and the camera till it looked like i dumped it in a lake, and still kept shooting and shooting and shooting..Makes me think of the energizer bunny, lol.

I took it outside in sub-zero temperatures with no problems, Did long exposures in them even

http://kenjis9965.deviantart.com/art/Dance-1-105547938

^- like that, Not much snow at that moment, But its also about -15 at the time-15 Fahrenheit of -15 Celsius? Well, either way, you're brave. I can handle that kind of temperature, but I'd be scared for my camera. The longest I have stayed outside with my 40D in sub-zero temperatures was maybe 7-10 minutes, at about -20 Celsius. By the way, do you do that trick of putting it in a sealed plastic bag when you take it inside to allow the camera to get up to room temperature slower and prevent condensation from forming on the internals? I've never tried this and wonder if it works.

And I thought it funny that the guy started doing donuts when he saw you, haha.

[.mark.]

-15 Fahrenheit of -15 Celsius? Well, either way, you're brave. I can handle that kind of temperature, but I'd be scared for my camera. The longest I have stayed outside with my 40D in sub-zero temperatures was maybe 7-10 minutes, at about -20 Celsius. By the way, do you do that trick of putting it in a sealed plastic bag when you take it inside to allow the camera to get up to room temperature slower and prevent condensation from forming on the internals? I've never tried this and wonder if it works.

I was in Banff, Canada last Christmas shortly after I got my 450D and it was seriously cold - around -20 C and the lowest we saw was -30 C. I had my 450D with me pretty much all the time. Took in on walks for a good few hours and it survived fine. At the time I didn't even think about if the camera would be ok, bit naive I guess but either I've been lucky or they're pretty tough in cold conditions.

[krepta]

I was in Banff, Canada last Christmas shortly after I got my 450D and it was seriously cold - around -20 C and the lowest we saw was -30 C. I had my 450D with me pretty much all the time. Took in on walks for a good few hours and it survived fine. At the time I didn't even think about if the camera would be ok, bit naive I guess but either I've been lucky or they're pretty tough in cold conditions.We must be lucky. I just looked up Canon's official numbers, the Working Temperature Range for most current cameras is 0°C-40°C (32°F-104°F), including the 1Ds MkIII! The only different one I noticed was the upper range for the 1D MkIII, at 45°C.

[KenjiS]

Makes me think of the energizer bunny, lol.

-15 Fahrenheit of -15 Celsius? Well, either way, you're brave. I can handle that kind of temperature, but I'd be scared for my camera. The longest I have stayed outside with my 40D in sub-zero temperatures was maybe 7-10 minutes, at about -20 Celsius. By the way, do you do that trick of putting it in a sealed plastic bag when you take it inside to allow the camera to get up to room temperature slower and prevent condensation from forming on the internals? I've never tried this and wonder if it works.

And I thought it funny that the guy started doing donuts when he saw you, haha.

Farenheit, and yes i do generally try to normalize things, Also leave all my stuff open to air out afterwards...

And yes it was....

until he lost it and his car came spinning towards me and i got quickly out of the way [left the 30D in the path on the tripod sadly] he saved it before it came close to my camera and stuff thankfully :) But it came really close

[KenjiS]

Ok my 30D survived a fall today..

But my 28-75 was not so lucky :(

http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/ac117/KitsunetsukiPhotography/2875oops2.jpg

[krepta]

Ok my 30D survived a fall today..

But my 28-75 was not so lucky :(What happened?! Poor lens, that definitely does not look good. I wonder if it is even fixable.

Maybe you have a reason to get the 15-85, now? I know money's tough to come by for you, but I'm wondering about the cost/value of repairing your Tamron vs investing in the 15-85?

[KenjiS]

What happened?! Poor lens, that definitely does not look good. I wonder if it is even fixable.

Maybe you have a reason to get the 15-85, now? I know money's tough to come by for you, but I'm wondering about the cost/value of repairing your Tamron vs investing in the 15-85?

Good news, 28-75 is insured :)

So ill get the cost of replacing the 28-75...and probubly go order the 15-85...

[krepta]

Good news, 28-75 is insured :)

So ill get the cost of replacing the 28-75...and probubly go order the 15-85...I also responded in the other thread, but, hurray! Looks like you will get your new lens after all.

Also, I should really think about getting my gear insured. I've just been lazy about it, but now that the value is quickly mounting, I better act. I'm lucky nothing major and bad has happened to my equipment yet.

[KenjiS]

I also responded in the other thread, but, hurray! Looks like you will get your new lens after all.

Also, I should really think about getting my gear insured. I've just been lazy about it, but now that the value is quickly mounting, I better act. I'm lucky nothing major and bad has happened to my equipment yet.

I'm actually pleased about how they're handling this..They asked for the current cost to replace the lens [purchased new] which is good considering the current market going up and up and up

My only debate is to wait for the possible rebates, or to just do it now...And where to do it...I very well may go to a local place and put in for one of the first ones off their shipment [Because I have to pay tax either way here!]

[krepta]

I'm actually pleased about how they're handling this..They asked for the current cost to replace the lens [purchased new] which is good considering the current market going up and up and up

My only debate is to wait for the possible rebates, or to just do it now...And where to do it...I very well may go to a local place and put in for one of the first ones off their shipment [Because I have to pay tax either way here!]I was thinking of waiting for the next instant rebates as well to get the 100mm L macro, but considering these are brand new lenses, I doubt the next rebates will include them.

You have to pay tax because you're the in the NY area, right? Is that because most reputable camera/photography stores (online) are based there (B&H, etc.) -- i.e. you haven't found a reputable retailer outside the NY area (and to be honest, I can't think of one outside the East coast)? Or just a NY thing that you pay tax regardless of where the purchase comes from?

For me, I am fortunate to be able to purchase all photography related equipment from the East coast, so I pay no tax and often get free shipping. For computer components, on the other hand, the base seems to be here in CA (I purchase from Newegg a lot, for example), so I get taxed on those. Online prices still beat retail store prices, though (for the most part).

[KenjiS]

I was thinking of waiting for the next instant rebates as well to get the 100mm L macro, but considering these are brand new lenses, I doubt the next rebates will include them.

You have to pay tax because you're the in the NY area, right? Is that because most reputable camera/photography stores (online) are based there (B&H, etc.) -- i.e. you haven't found a reputable retailer outside the NY area (and to be honest, I can't think of one outside the East coast)? Or just a NY thing that you pay tax regardless of where the purchase comes from?

For me, I am fortunate to be able to purchase all photography related equipment from the East coast, so I pay no tax and often get free shipping. For computer components, on the other hand, the base seems to be here in CA (I purchase from Newegg a lot, for example), so I get taxed on those. Online prices still beat retail store prices, though (for the most part).

Basically, Yes, I pay tax at Adorama, B&H and Amazon, Which are also the three big ones...Tack shipping on top of that as well :(

KEH is in Georgia but their prices are frequently a bit high on new stuff

Beyond that, 2 local stores I know of, one of which has pretty steep pricing and the other is a Nikon place

[HighSnobility]

A determination which may soften a bit, now when they have launched an EF-S compatible camera with a more professional touch (the 7D, of course).

Here's hoping, a 17-55mm with better build quality + weather sealing would be excellent.

[HyperYagami]

Here's hoping, a 17-55mm with better build quality + weather sealing would be excellent.

i.e., it will become a L lens, i.e., it will become much $$$ probably like $1800 level (judging by what they did to 100mm macro and 70-300mm).

hum...

[KenjiS]

i.e., it will become a L lens, i.e., it will become much $$$ probably like $1800 level (judging by what they did to 100mm macro and 70-300mm).

hum...

It wont be an L lens, it will still be EF-S, crop sensor lenses will NEVER be L-series

EF-S = consumer

L = professional

if they update it, it will likely be built like the 15-85 and likely will cost about what it does now

[Cole_Schmitt]

add me to that

Make that three.

[HyperYagami]

It wont be an L lens, it will still be EF-S, crop sensor lenses will NEVER be L-series

EF-S = consumer

L = professional

if they update it, it will likely be built like the 15-85 and likely will cost about what it does now

see here is the thing. "with better build quality + weather sealing" that's L stuff. there's no non-L weather-sealed.

it's more like either 1) they don't want to, or 2) never thought about it, but nothing with canon says they can't do EF-S L, nor they ever announced "no we won't L EF-S, eveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer". heck, was pro-1 a "professional" camera?

anyway, if there's an update it will be so $$$ it's not going to be funny. there's no single time the update ended up costing around the same as the old, none, zero, nada. if the update is better you think canon is idiot enough not to ask for more $$$? think about it.

[bluesguitar2]

RE: Originally Posted by nexsim
maybe a EF-S 15-70mm f/2.8 IS instead

I'd even take a "Canon EF-S 17-70 f2.8-4 IS" like the one Sigma makes. With all the cropped sensor cameras out there and Canon's comittment to that (ie the 60D now), and with the telephotos starting in the 70mm range, this seems like a real omission from the Canon line.

[nikmar08]

That would keep me on a crop for an extremely long time.

add me to that

Make that three.

+1... only diff being I would be on crops for life. Will never be able to justify the cost of FFs for the use I put them cameras to.

RE: Originally Posted by nexsim
maybe a EF-S 15-70mm f/2.8 IS instead

I'd even take a "Canon EF-S 17-70 f2.8-4 IS" like the one Sigma makes. With all the cropped sensor cameras out there and Canon's comittment to that (ie the 60D now), and with the telephotos starting in the 70mm range, this seems like a real omission from the Canon line.

+1.