F-Stop Tilopa Review

[sodalis]

My new F-Stop Tilopa arrived on Monday. The weather was finally clear enough when I got home this afternoon to go out and walk around with it a bit and takes some photos. Initial impressions are that this is a significant upgrade from my previous pack (Burton Zoom).

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The bag features a main compartment with an internal camera unit (ICU), an internal laptop sleeve, a small pocket in the lid to the main compartment, two pockets (one over the other) on the back of the bag as well as a third smaller pocket on the back that opens from below (the opening is well concealed but the pocket itself is under the MOLLE loops at the bottom of the pack), and two large side pockets with elastic at the tops. There are also several quick release straps on the back and sides for holding things in place, as well as numerous MOLLE loops.

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The harness system as seen in the above photo is a huge improvement over my previous pack. It fits perfectly with the waist strap riding on my hips, and the load is distributed very well. This bag feels like a proper hiking pack.

The access panel open to show the ICU:
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Loaded with gear:
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Loaded in the bag in the above photo- 1DsII, 100mm macro, 24-70mm f/2.8, 400mm f/5.6, 70-200mm f/2.8, and 17-40mm f/4. My 50mm f/1.4 fits in the empty space on the bottom left but I was using it for the photo. I also had three flashes in the main compartment above the ICU, with a good bit of room to spare. I changed out the two long dividers that came with the Tilopa for ones from another pack, I'll get to the reason why below.

The very top pocket has room for a flash and some other small items:
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The main compartment, above the ICU. There is also a mesh pouch here with a clip for holding your keys:
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Closeup of the mesh pouch:
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Another view from above, you can see the laptop sleeve behind the ICU:
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The smaller of the two back pockets, 100mm macro for scale:
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Rugged, heavy duty, YKK zippers are used for the main compartment (at the top and at the access panel).
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Smaller, but weathersealed, zippers are used elsewhere.
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A couple more shots of the bag:

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And a shot of the "freebies" sent to those who preordered because of the delays (next to my 100mm macro for scale):

http://shadowhillsphoto.exposuremanager.com/scripts/expman.pl?rm=view_photo&photo_id=_q6x4446_6&file=_q6x4446_large.jpg&dir=galleries/6&touched=1254351492

***Mini-review*** - The Barrel lens case seems quite nice, it has thick padding and is well constructed like the Tilopa. The Glug mini-dry bag will come in handy for holding a few small things when I'm kayaking or wading in a marsh but I'm not sold on the waterproof claim. The material seems too lightweight and loose to form a good seal at the top no matter how many times you fold it over. If I had paid the $30 for it that they list on the website I would have felt ripped off.


Back to the Tilopa

Hits:

The pack is well made and can carry a large amount of gear comfortably.

The ICU is very sturdy, it should provide plenty of protection and could easily be transferred to a larger expedition type pack if needed.

The dividers in the ICU have the typical velcro on either end for attaching to the ICU walls, but they also have velcro on the bottom edge which keeps everything in place and contributes to the ICU feeling very solid and secure.

The MOLLE loops should provide a lot of customization options.


Misses:

The long, central dividers in the ICU. Why do so many companies get this wrong? The stock dividers are a soft material on one side that can be velcro'd to, but the opposite side is a sheer nylon type material. This really limits your layout options. Ironically, the solution I used was to take the central dividers from the cheapest bag in my house (the Canon backpack) and use those instead because they are a felt material on both sides.

The ICU is a bit too rounded in the corners for my taste, and it's rigidity works against it here. It makes it hard to effectively uitilize the space in the corners because the ICU ends up being narrower on either end than in the middle.

The lid of the ICU has no padding, not sure about that. Not a problem when it's in the pack, would have been nice for using it in other packs.

There is a velcro latch that goes over the top of the laptop sleeve to secure your laptop in place. The problem is that with a loaded ICU in place, it is pretty much impossible to actually put this strap into place as the velcro that it is supposed to attach to is wedged too tightly against the bottom of the ICU.

There are also a couple of features that were listed in the inital bag design that didn't make it to the final product. This isn't a huge surprise, but the odd thing is that some of them are clearly on the prototype version of the Satori that was shown so I don't know why they were removed. These include:

- grommeted drain holes on some of the pockets, the back pockets have a drain hole but no grommet, the side pockets got no drain holes at all

- bungee loop straps on the back, these were clearly on the prototype, wish they were on my bag

- a pair of quick release straps at the bottom of the bag, this is the one that bothers me the most as it would have been the perfect spot for a sleeping pad or similar, and again it was on the prototype bag


Conclusion:

Overall I am very happy with the bag. I will update once I've had a chance to wear it for a prolonged period (should happen tomorrow actually), but so far it appears it will handle quite well. The bag seems to be of a high overall quality and I expect to get a lot of use out of it. The few nitpicks I have are outweighed by the positive features. I think the pack was worth the money I spent on it.

I will add some photos of the ICU out of the pack in a day or two, I just ran out of light today.

[Mocows]

Great review, my buddy ordered one as well and I can't wait to see it for myself.

[longsight]

Very nice backpack.I've never heard of the make though is it available worldwide.

[jubu]

Love it...I need one of these...Xmas can't come soon enough. :)

Thanks for the the review!

[jcothron]

I got the Satori monday in the same color. :D Looking at yours, you seem to have far more room outside the ICU. What size ICU do you have? large? (mine is the new x-large). Nice review.

[jubu]

Do you guys get a choice of ICU size when ordering? Or is there a set size it comes with and then you have to buy a different size separately if you wish?

[highv0lt6ge]

anyone have any pictures of the green or black? I'm trying to decide on what color to purchase

[JohnJ80]

After seeing the red, I'm conflicted. I'll have to decide between red or black.

I would like to see the black too.

J.

[corosario]

@jubu,

I ask Ian, from FStop, about getting a different ICU size and he informed that they will be selling ICU's as single units. I don't know if you can change the size of the ICU included with the bags.

@JohnJ80,

Here are some pictures (http://www.flickr.com/photos/25883430@N03/sets/72157622449567296/) taken by FeedTheJoe of the black/gray Tilopa.

I had a Black/Gray Tilopa pre-ordered but changed the order to a Cranberry bag after seen the pictures from one of the emails from FStop. I finally got my tracking number today...can't wait for the bag. Thanks Sodalis for a great review!

[Hogloff]

Can a tripod be safely and securely attached to the pack?

[sodalis]

I hiked several miles today with the pack. I wasn't loaded with as much camera gear as my post above, but I was also carrying water, food, a couple extra layers, and some caving gear. The pack carried very well and remained comfortable both on the trail and below ground as well.

I got the Satori monday in the same color. :D Looking at yours, you seem to have far more room outside the ICU. What size ICU do you have? large? (mine is the new x-large). Nice review.

The Tilopa is only two inches shorter than the Satori, but the Large ICU is four inches shorter than the X-Large ICU, so the Tilopa ends up with two inches more space in the main compartment above the ICU in the default configuration. I think I could manage an overnight with the Tilopa as is, I might pick up the small ICU for longer trips or transfer the ICU I have to a larger hiking pack.

Would you mind commenting on the features that I mentioned that were on the prototype Satori but disappeared from the final Tilopa? Did your Satori retain these? (drain hole grommets, bungee loops, and the extra set of quick release straps)

[sodalis]

Can a tripod be safely and securely attached to the pack?

I wasn't carrying one today, but the quick release straps on the back seem to be able to hold my 55XPROB with no trouble.

[colbyb25]

I have one of the new Black Satori bags and I have to say I love it. Is any bag perfect? No! But the Satori is, atleast for the work I do (Adventure/Travel Photography in distant areas) the best purely camera bag I have had. I will be posting a review soon on my website.

I am also part of the F-Stop Gear Brigade Team and looking forward to showcasing more of their products while on assignment all over the world. I will try to keep everyone as updated as possible...

[JohnJ80]

I'd like to also get the small ICU. Then for other trips, I could pack more stuff in the pack and a smaller camera set. That would be huge.

Also, is it possible to open the back and get at the camera gear WITHOUT taking the pack off?

J.

[highv0lt6ge]

Any pictures of the green anyone?

[czar2000]

Do these bags(satory, tilopa) can stand alone? Any internal wire-frame?
How do you rate the outer fabric? Thick enough?

I can't wait to see other colors.

[robbug]

Do these bags(satory, tilopa) can stand alone? Any internal wire-frame?
How do you rate the outer fabric? Thick enough?

I can't wait to see other colors.

I just received mine today...like 1 hour ago. I have the same color as reviewed above. Outer fabric is similar to normal hiking packs. Looks to be weather resistance through-out. I wouldn't run through a blackberry bush but the fabric looks to be thick enough for heavy use. The pack has a steel rod frame - looks to be 1/4" diameter. The pack can stand on its own.

ICU size looks to be a compromise for day use vice overnight use. Large ICU will not hold tons of gear but allows you to carry what you need - I am still playing tetris at the moment with my gear. I think the small ICU would be better suited for longer trips but minus extra accessories. MOLLE system use will be a must if going out for longer trips as there is just not enough internal room for 2+day use.

As to getting to your gear while wearing the pack? No I do not think so. The flap for the back is huge and unless your load is light it will not act like a fastpack. Of course this pack is not designed that way. It's designed more with the hiker/skier in mind. It lets you get your gear into the backwoods comfortably with some compromise to a real hiking pack.

[JohnJ80]

ok, I'm in. i ordered a red one tonight. wouldn't you know it - now they are out of stock on red but black is in stock. when it comes to backpack roulette, I lose. ;)

my thinking on the red is that it looks a lot easier to find things in it in poor light than it would in the black one. at least that's my story and i'm sticking to it.

looks great and i'm excited to get it.

[robbug]

John,

As in the other Fstop post I am sure you realize they are getting another shipment in less than 4 weeks. Might want to email Ian on the status of that.

Rob

p.s Wife was like - wow you want to be found I see. I replied - DUH

Yes red is very very Red. Like, if you can't see this red your buried and well not visible. :D

[JohnJ80]

Where I will be using this, it's not unusual for my bag to tossed on top of a much larger pile of ski bags in a tent at a meet. Having something that sticks out a bit is a good deal.

Besides that, I've got a ton of other black bags. When I put a pile of stuff together to go on a trip, it's all black - hard to find what I really need.

You like the red? Work out well?

J.

[robbug]

well it will stick out thats for sure. It's not gaudy. I like it. Still have to take it out on its paces but overall I think it will work well.

[JohnJ80]

It's bright but it looks a lot more like a regular backpack and not a camera pack.

j.

[jubu]

It's bright but it looks a lot more like a regular backpack and not a camera pack.

j.

Another reason why I have to pick this bag up...now I just need to see real photos of the other colors to decide...:cool:

[JohnJ80]

Here's the black (thanks to corosario) http://www.flickr.com/photos/25883430@N03/sets/72157622449567296/

Red is above.

J.

[jubu]

Here's the black (thanks to corosario) http://www.flickr.com/photos/25883430@N03/sets/72157622449567296/

Red is above.

J.


Awesome...thanks! Time to order!

[JohnJ80]

When I ordered yesterday night, they showed none in stock. I just got an email that my order has been fulfilled and that shipping docs have been sent to UPS. So, it's on the way.

J.

[highv0lt6ge]

Still need to see a picture of the green one. Anyone??

[romeo26]

can someone lash on a sleeping bag to it?

[JohnJ80]

Check out the straps on the very bottom.

j.

[romeo26]

all i see are the molle straps...

[dandig]

If anyone is curious about how much gear will fit in the XL sized ICU of the Satori here is a shot.

http://twitpic.com/krj4v for some reason I cant embed that photo.

I'm just gathering some more photos and then I will put together a proper review of this one.

[JohnJ80]

all i see are the molle straps...

They are shown here:
http://www.fstopgear.com/now/product/mountain-series/tilopa

Although you should certainly be able to work with the MOLLE attachment points.

I'd email ian at fstop gear and ask him.

I should have mine by the 13th, I can look then and verify.

j.

[jaholbro]

canceled my pre-order due to all the delays, maybe I'll have to get one anyways, looks pretty good

[agpetz]

Looks like a great bag. Wonder when F-Stop will be able to fill all their orders.

[romeo26]

They are shown here:
http://www.fstopgear.com/now/product/mountain-series/tilopa

Although you should certainly be able to work with the MOLLE attachment points.

I'd email ian at fstop gear and ask him.

I should have mine by the 13th, I can look then and verify.

j.

yes please verify when you get it. also when you get the bag can you take a pic

after looking at this page: http://www.fstopgear.com/now/images/stories/2010tilopa/index.html

the straps that are at the bottom arnt there in the product shots.

looks like a really good bag though. iam digging the green one. i honestly think this is going to be the bag for me...once i see how to lash on a sleeping bag.

i tried to set up my kelty on how i wanted to use it for hiking with camera gear...it failed. iam hoping that there is going to be a small, and medium icu!

[dandig]

The bottom straps are on the Satori but not the Tilopa. If attaching a sleeping bag is a big priority you might want to consider the Satori.

[romeo26]

its not too big of a deal...iam thinking of using the molle straps on the bottom...its just more convenient if those straps were there. also i see i can use the snowboard straps to hold a tripod while hiking.

[JohnJ80]

The small ICU will be available around March (per the last email I got from Ian) and is about half the size of the Large. The Large (Tilopa) and XL (Satori) are available now.

J.

[dandig]

This is my preferred way to carry the tripod:
http://dancarrphotography.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/img_9708-200x300.jpg

But yeah you can also put it down the middle on the snowboard straps if need be.

[pic_ist]

This looks like the bag I have been looking for for years. However, is there a rain cover hidden anywhere? I do a lot of hiking and rain seems to be about at least one day in every trip!

TIA

[JohnJ80]

The zippers are weatherproof zippers and the material is supposed to be waterproof. That said, for cheap you can buy a backpack cover ($15 or so). I always use that too and that's what I'm going to do with mine. They are light and take up little space.

I got mine - also in read. Very impressed so far. It carries really well and has a lot of room for other stuff. I was able to put an extra layer (down jacket) in there, an extra pair of guide gloves, extra hat, my TT belt and a couple of lens changers, cotton carrier, my misc stuff (cleaning stuff, filters, etc...), a 70-200 f/4L IS,300 f/4L IS 1dmk3, 24-105 and an extra 40D body with grip. I still haven't gotten the ICU configured just right, but it will work fine once I futz with it some more.

Interestingly enough, it is also possible to remove an item from the ICU without taking the pack completely off. Loosen the waist belt, take off the shoulder straps, and rotate the pack around in front and lay horizontal supported by a knee. Open the ICU< get what you want, and then zip it back up, swivel around to the back, put on shoulder straps and tighten waist belt. Ski away.


J.

[dandig]

This looks like the bag I have been looking for for years. However, is there a rain cover hidden anywhere? I do a lot of hiking and rain seems to be about at least one day in every trip!

TIA

There is no rain cover included with it. There will be one available as an extra in the future. But as has been said you can pick one up for cheap anyways right now. There is however, a special pocket to hold the rain cover. Its is located on the bottom of the bag, its pretty well hidden so wouldnt surprise me if some people missed it but its there and thats what its designed for.

[JohnJ80]

There is no rain cover included with it. There will be one available as an extra in the future. But as has been said you can pick one up for cheap anyways right now. There is however, a special pocket to hold the rain cover. Its is located on the bottom of the bag, its pretty well hidden so wouldnt surprise me if some people missed it but its there and thats what its designed for.

Ah-ha! That's what that is for. I thought it was odd to have a pocket like that in the bottom!

J.

[romeo26]

i cant wait till my green one comes in :P

[colbyb25]

Here is a link to my review of the new Satori Photo Backpack from F-Stop Gear -

http://www.colbybrownphotography.com/blog/?p=1031

[JohnJ80]

Here's my one complaint - the dividers.

For some unexplainable reason, the dividers only have the soft velcro compatible material on ONE side. The other side is smooth nylon. That means that you can only attach other dividers the one side and not the other making it difficult to configure the bag other than as it was sent.

I'm going to buy this divider set from Kata:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/368042-REG/Kata_KT_VG_MDK_S10_MVKS_10_Modi_Vers_Kit_Divider.h tml

Then I can fix this problem. I don't know why they didn't do this in the first place. Otherwise, the dividers are first rate.

J.

[twe90kid]

man, it's too bad they dont' have the white one anymore. i would have ordered.

i would love to use this bag as a daily school pack and a camera bag when i need to. looks awesome, but i only like the white color. DARN

[argyle]

Damn...wish I didn't come across this thread. :lol:

I've been using the Lowepro Rover AW II and the Dryzone Rover for the past several years and have been satisfied. Each of these packs lets me store my camera gear in the lower compartment and has a roomy upper compartment for miscellaneous gear (filters, hoods, toolkit, food/snacks, with room for a fleece pullover and a Goretex rainsuit). Does this F-stop bag have sufficient room for these additional items? Can't really tell from the pics or from the website...if so, I may consider giving one a try.

[Savas K]

It's bright but it looks a lot more like a regular backpack and not a camera pack.

j.

John, once you put a tripod on it, the jig is up! ;)

[keitaro]

Here's my one complaint - the dividers.

For some unexplainable reason, the dividers only have the soft velcro compatible material on ONE side. The other side is smooth nylon. That means that you can only attach other dividers the one side and not the other making it difficult to configure the bag other than as it was sent.

I'm going to buy this divider set from Kata:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/368042-REG/Kata_KT_VG_MDK_S10_MVKS_10_Modi_Vers_Kit_Divider.h tml

Then I can fix this problem. I don't know why they didn't do this in the first place. Otherwise, the dividers are first rate.

J.

How did that divider set work out for you?

[rupek]

Are these bags available in the uk? Looks like the solution i am after for my hiking trips.

I have looked on their website and i cant seem to find a link.

[Fstop-Ian]

Hi Rupek... I am guessing I just answered your email... but for the knowledge of the board shipping is free from the US and shipped via USPS which generally takes up to 10 days internationally.

We do not have any dealers in the UK just yet.

[Fstop-Ian]

Also to address our dividers single sided issues. We will be offering a double sided replacement set to customers at the cost of shipping. That should be around June.

Thanks

[JohnJ80]

How did that divider set work out for you?

ok.

I'll also take up Ian on his offer above.

j.

[rupek]

Hi Rupek... I am guessing I just answered your email... but for the knowledge of the board shipping is free from the US and shipped via USPS which generally takes up to 10 days internationally.

We do not have any dealers in the UK just yet.

Yes it was my email, i saw a post that said you would reply to an email quicker.Thanks for the prompt reply.

[keitaro]

Hi Rupek... I am guessing I just answered your email... but for the knowledge of the board shipping is free from the US and shipped via USPS which generally takes up to 10 days internationally.

We do not have any dealers in the UK just yet.

only 10 days internationally? wow.. i can't wait until my bag gets here. i going add another 7 days for customs....

[Wummy]

I got an email from f-Stop team as well, I am loving the service so far.

I'm thinking to order their new small ICU to work w/ my Tilopa....

Ian would you happen to know what small ICU would fit or do you have picture of it? I know the dimension is: Small ICU – 7.5” Deep x 11” Wide x 7” Tall

i measured it out; i dont know if it'll fit a 1D3 w/ 17-40 attached, siggy 50 f1.4, 85 f1.8 and a 430EX II? I might need a Medium. hmmmm.

[jklewer]

I too am interested in a smaller ICU so as to gain as much room for extra gear as possible on trips. I feel like the ICUs are just shaped a little... funny. My stuff doesn't fit in there that good. The bottom of the ICU is tapered a bit cutting off room. I end up having little dead spaces in the corners and such.

[keitaro]

I got an email from f-Stop team as well, I am loving the service so far.


I've been thinking about purchasing the Tilopa for quite some time. I think since last summer. I've emailed them numerous times. I think Ian has answered my emails as well. Email replies are always prompt and friendly. Great customer service from F-stop.

According to my sales order, I think I got a free strap!

These guys even work over stat holidays! I think my order was completed over the Easter Weekend!

Can't wait until my bag gets here!

[Fstop-Ian]

:) Thank you for the kind words.

The fact is Dru (at HQ in St.Louis) never sleeps or take a day off. I am starting to wonder if he is actually a robot. His skin is startling pale so it is possible.

As for the ICU. I can't give out to many details just yet but pretty much every concern we have ever read online, heard from our team members or just my personal peeves is being addressed to make the product work better.

We are just waiting on a few things and then I will be able to spill some more details on sizes, shapes, colors, etc...

[keitaro]

Just throwing this out, has anyone in Canada ordered one? If so how long did you have to wait? I hate waiting :(

Also did Canada custom charge gst/pst/duty?

[Mocows]

My coworker ordered one, I don't remember him paying tax/duty. It was pretty quick from time of shipping. We're in Kelowna (so it was shipped to Richmond/Vancouver then out)

[keitaro]

My coworker ordered one, I don't remember him paying tax/duty. It was pretty quick from time of shipping. We're in Kelowna (so it was shipped to Richmond/Vancouver then out)

thanks, thats great to hear... hopefully i'll have the same luck.

[Wummy]

I bought mine shipped to Blaine WA, then drove down picked it up, didn't pay tax on it.. it was fast too!! best luck! if you get ding'd you'll hafto pay tax, custom charges and the stupid $5 handling fee.

let me know how it went!

[keitaro]

I bought mine shipped to Blaine WA, then drove down picked it up, didn't pay tax on it.. it was fast too!! best luck! if you get ding'd you'll hafto pay tax, custom charges and the stupid $5 handling fee.

let me know how it went!

may i ask what colour did you buy?

[geff33]

I am looking to purchase a backpack for hiking. I am torn between the Gura bags and the Tilopa. My only concern about the Tilopa is that for air travel I might not be able to check -in this bag with me. Can this bag size be legally checked in or is it too big for the cabin?

[82NoMe]

ok.

I'll also take up Ian on his offer above.

j.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d67/panclan/signs/dito.gif

[jcothron]

I am looking to purchase a backpack for hiking. I am torn between the Gura bags and the Tilopa. My only concern about the Tilopa is that for air travel I might not be able to check -in this bag with me. Can this bag size be legally checked in or is it too big for the cabin?


I believe the Tilopa is within carry on size limits. Ian would know better however.

[Andrushka]

This is a sweet looking bag - i'm curious about the dimensions too re: carry-on size. Of course, a lot of that comes down to the person at the check in counter and how heavy/oversized your bag "looks." I have yet to have a problem with my ThinkTank Airport whatever (smallest one) it just looks small even though it is well overweight and it even fits into the tiny partitioned cubby-holes that old Soviet passenger jets have for overhead bins.

[Wummy]

may i ask what colour did you buy?

I got the foilage green!!!!

[jklewer]

I am looking to purchase a backpack for hiking. I am torn between the Gura bags and the Tilopa. My only concern about the Tilopa is that for air travel I might not be able to check -in this bag with me. Can this bag size be legally checked in or is it too big for the cabin?

Ian assured me it's fine for legal carry-on. Most airlines require no more than 45" I think when adding LxWxH and I think the Tilopa comes out to 46" but who's going to really measure at the gate? The thing that made me okay with the bag is that the ICU can lift out of the bag and be carried separately if you get hassled plus the frame can be removed as well.

[keitaro]

My bag finally came in the mail today. My only complaint is the ICU, it's way to large for me, going to look at getting the small or medium. Other issues they've already addressed such as the inserts, making things easier to see in low light.

All in all I am pretty happy with the bag. :)

I'll probably do a thorough review once I have used it for a season.

[Wummy]

My bag finally came in the mail today. My only complaint is the ICU, it's way to large for me, going to look at getting the small or medium. Other issues they've already addressed such as the inserts, making things easier to see in low light.

All in all I am pretty happy with the bag. :)

I'll probably do a thorough review once I have used it for a season.

Hey i'm doing a trip to LA this weekend and planning to use this as my carry on.. and yes ICU is huge! so that's why they have medium or small. But after I measured it, I dont know if I need Medium or Small!!! decisions decisions... :(

let me know if you plan to order, maybe we can order together and split shipping!!

did you get tax'd?

[keitaro]

Hey i'm doing a trip to LA this weekend and planning to use this as my carry on.. and yes ICU is huge! so that's why they have medium or small. But after I measured it, I dont know if I need Medium or Small!!! decisions decisions... :(

let me know if you plan to order, maybe we can order together and split shipping!!

did you get tax'd?

He let me know how it goes with the carry on. Nope I didn't get taxed, thankfully.

Let me know if your going to get a small or medium. That is a great idea to split shipping. I would like to know whats the biggest setup each a small or medium can handle. With my bags all bought for now, I am going to look at getting a tripod (fingers crossed for gitzo), and work on my "wishlist" w/ lenses.

[Fstop-Ian]

hey guys,

A Medium fits a mounted 70-200 L vertically. The width is the same,

A Small fits a Pro body/ 70-200L and 16-35L (or similar) broken down, it is 20cm vertical same width, there is some left over room for smaller items... cables etc. Ideally the top row has the tele and the wide and body on the lower. All arranged by dividers... so you can change that according to your needs.

[keitaro]

hey guys,

A Medium fits a mounted 70-200 L vertically. The width is the same,

A Small fits a Pro body/ 70-200L and 16-35L (or similar) broken down, it is 20cm vertical same width, there is some left over room for smaller items... cables etc. Ideally the top row has the tele and the wide and body on the lower. All arranged by dividers... so you can change that according to your needs.

They sound pretty much the same size, but its hard to visualize. I can't wait for some photos to see.

Also for the ICU, the straps on the side, they are supposed to go through the rings on the inside of the pack along the frame? Does that help the pack in anyway, or is it just to hold it in place better?

Also neat spot for the rain cover :)

[sheawyatt]

hey guys,

A Medium fits a mounted 70-200 L vertically. The width is the same,

A Small fits a Pro body/ 70-200L and 16-35L (or similar) broken down, it is 20cm vertical same width, there is some left over room for smaller items... cables etc. Ideally the top row has the tele and the wide and body on the lower. All arranged by dividers... so you can change that according to your needs.

Is that 70-200 with or without the hood mounted? I'm interested to know if the medium would fit a 1D with 400 f/5.6, which is a few cm longer than the 70-200 without hood.

I'll probably get the large ICU anyway, but getting the medium for when I want to pack more "other stuff" would be great, IF it can handle the 400 5.6 mounted.

[Fstop-Ian]

Hi sorry, I should have mention about the hood. Yes both are sized to fit with hood on (reversed).

As for the ICU tabs yes they attached to keep it in place. Although generally are not needed with the Large and XL.

Size wise, yes the are similar. But it could be said the XL and L are similar as well. :)

I designed the small to be as compact as possible but still able to hold the bread and better pro glass (wide and tele zoom) and body.

The Medium will take that and more. It will also allow for mounted body/lens access and storage. Which a lot of us like.


I should have some medium pics to share in the next week.

[keitaro]

Hi sorry, I should have mention about the hood. Yes both are sized to fit with hood on (reversed).

As for the ICU tabs yes they attached to keep it in place. Although generally are not needed with the Large and XL.

Size wise, yes the are similar. But it could be said the XL and L are similar as well. :)

I designed the small to be as compact as possible but still able to hold the bread and better pro glass (wide and tele zoom) and body.

The Medium will take that and more. It will also allow for mounted body/lens access and storage. Which a lot of us like.


I should have some medium pics to share in the next week.

sweet, looking forward to the pics!

[keitaro]

Does anyone know what the bungee strap that is in the mesh pocket area for? It just seems to be a loop and a cord lock.

[Fstop-Ian]

We put those there so you can lock your keys or other important items to the bag. Nothing worse than loosing your car keys after a big day out....

[keitaro]

Hrm... interesting thanks!

[blackzzz]

Placed my order this afternoon for a Tilopa in foliage/green. Looking forward to getting it and hoping I like the color. First time I've had a bag other than black!

[YseanY]

does anyone have any pictures showing an accurate color of the foilage green? the pictures i've seen looks like it is somewhat of a grey color with a hint of army green, is this correct?

also, with th ICU in, can one fit 1 or 2 change of clothes for overnight trips?

[jklewer]

does anyone have any pictures showing an accurate color of the foilage green? the pictures i've seen looks like it is somewhat of a grey color with a hint of army green, is this correct?

also, with th ICU in, can one fit 1 or 2 change of clothes for overnight trips?

Barely. However, I just took mine to Haiti for two weeks, left the ICU at home since it is a huge waste of space, packed all my clothes and food in there and had room for my entire kit packed into my Domke f-3x to slide into the top of the pack. That worked. For some reason, the ICU (mine is Large) is just so awkwardly shaped to me. I can fit my whole kit into that Domke and it takes up so much less space and is still adequately padded in my opinion.

[azncarbos]

I just got my bag today and there is good amount of space there on top of the ICU probably pair of hiking pants, shirt and windbreaker.

[YseanY]

would the medium ICU fit a 5D classic (no grip), 24-70mm, 17-40mm, and 35L (with one mounted) or any combination of the two?

[azncarbos]

I sure it can... because the large fit my XT grip & 30D grip with Tamron 28-70mm, Tokina 12-24mm, Sigma 70-200, Canon 100mm, and Canon 17-40mm with still space to fit more...

[YseanY]

I sure it can... because the large fit my XT grip & 30D grip with Tamron 28-70mm, Tokina 12-24mm, Sigma 70-200, Canon 100mm, and Canon 17-40mm with still space to fit more...

thanks! might order a medium ICU with the bag then!

[SkullE]

just ordered one in black. thank you all for the recommendation.

[blackzzz]

Just got the foliage green the other day...love the color. Wish there was a write-up somewhere that explains what all the buckles, straps, etc. were designed to do .

[keitaro]

Just got the foliage green the other day...love the color. Wish there was a write-up somewhere that explains what all the buckles, straps, etc. were designed to do .

Which straps/buckles are you confused with? The only one I had an issue with was the one inside the bag beside the keychain holder. I think it's for holding something like a small flashlight or pen.

[Fstop-Ian]

Just got the foliage green the other day...love the color. Wish there was a write-up somewhere that explains what all the buckles, straps, etc. were designed to do .

I 'll take the time to do that now. I will admit our media on 'how to' is not where it should be...

Starting from the sides. You have 2 compressions straps on both sides. They are designed to compress the bag and keep the inside contents firmly in place. For example if you dont have a lap top, the bag will fit a little looser, these straps allow you to reduce that.

The back 2 straps are for mounting a snowboard. I realize not all folks snowboard but that is the root of the straps on the back.

With both the compression straps and snowboard straps do not feel limited to use it for what I said above, they can be used for any thing. For instance last week i used the snowboard straps to carry my thermarest, ice axe and at times trekking poles. Sometime my coffee cup hangs of one or my splitboard is mounted to the sides... Some times I have 2 light stands on the sides and a tripod down the back...

As for the Molle (3 straps on side and 2 on the bottom), Molle is a system that is heavily used in the military, many other companies use this system and as a result there are over 10,000 different accessory pouches/cases/add ons you can find to allow your bag to carry more gear.

Molle opens up a huge range of goodies rather than forcing you to be exclusive to our brands accessory system. The next generation Tilopa is designed so the Molle takes Think Tank add-ons which will allow you more possibilities.

i think thats about it...

[Fstop-Ian]

Also for anyone the does a lot of hiking, I strongly recommend throwing a couple of these things in your bag http://www.rei.com/product/720805 the ones I use are generic and only 2 bucks a piece. But they are very useful.

I also pack a few of these http://www.voile-usa.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=800&Category_Code=VTA&Product_Count=0 they are thee rubber accessory strap.

[blackzzz]

I 'll take the time to do that now. I will admit our media on 'how to' is not where it should be...

Starting from the sides. You have 2 compressions straps on both sides. They are designed to compress the bag and keep the inside contents firmly in place. For example if you dont have a lap top, the bag will fit a little looser, these straps allow you to reduce that.

The back 2 straps are for mounting a snowboard. I realize not all folks snowboard but that is the root of the straps on the back.

With both the compression straps and snowboard straps do not feel limited to use it for what I said above, they can be used for any thing. For instance last week i used the snowboard straps to carry my thermarest, ice axe and at times trekking poles. Sometime my coffee cup hangs of one or my splitboard is mounted to the sides... Some times I have 2 light stands on the sides and a tripod down the back...

As for the Molle (3 straps on side and 2 on the bottom), Molle is a system that is heavily used in the military, many other companies use this system and as a result there are over 10,000 different accessory pouches/cases/add ons you can find to allow your bag to carry more gear.

Molle opens up a huge range of goodies rather than forcing you to be exclusive to our brands accessory system. The next generation Tilopa is designed so the Molle takes Think Tank add-ons which will allow you more possibilities.

i think thats about it...

Thanks, Ian. As always...F-Stop customer care is top notch.

[JohnJ80]

I 'll take the time to do that now. I will admit our media on 'how to' is not where it should be...

Starting from the sides. You have 2 compressions straps on both sides. They are designed to compress the bag and keep the inside contents firmly in place. For example if you dont have a lap top, the bag will fit a little looser, these straps allow you to reduce that.

The back 2 straps are for mounting a snowboard. I realize not all folks snowboard but that is the root of the straps on the back.

With both the compression straps and snowboard straps do not feel limited to use it for what I said above, they can be used for any thing. For instance last week i used the snowboard straps to carry my thermarest, ice axe and at times trekking poles. Sometime my coffee cup hangs of one or my splitboard is mounted to the sides... Some times I have 2 light stands on the sides and a tripod down the back...

As for the Molle (3 straps on side and 2 on the bottom), Molle is a system that is heavily used in the military, many other companies use this system and as a result there are over 10,000 different accessory pouches/cases/add ons you can find to allow your bag to carry more gear.

Molle opens up a huge range of goodies rather than forcing you to be exclusive to our brands accessory system. The next generation Tilopa is designed so the Molle takes Think Tank add-ons which will allow you more possibilities.

i think thats about it...

Arghh.

Is that something we can send a current Tilopa in for retrofit or are we just S.O.L?

This would perfect for me. My belt system is TT.

J.

[Fstop-Ian]

Arghh.

Is that something we can send a current Tilopa in for retrofit or are we just S.O.L?

This would perfect for me. My belt system is TT.

J.

Hey John, yes SOL haha,:) actually from I understand you can squeeze the TT gear in there now. have you tried? We have one of team guys that does this.

We just altered it a little to make it a cleaner fit.

[JohnJ80]

I briefly tried it and it wasn't a clean fit. I'll try again with this in mine. <sniff, sniff>

J

[azncarbos]

So over the weekend.. I took the Tilopa (for the first time on hike) to Yosemite and I must say it was comfortable to carry on all my gear on hike like Upper Yosemite Fall tail, Nevada Fall Tail, and walking around the valley floor. It provide the awesome protection against all the elements like rain, snow, hail, and water from the falls. Also enough room for my waterproof jacket, water filter system, and snack ....this is probably best backpack I use to carry my photography gear! I had 2 bodies, 24-70mm, 70-200mm, 100mm, 12-24mm, flash, tripod.

[SkullE]

Your customer service that i see on these boards is probably the #2 reason i purchased it. #1 being the hiking bag itself.
thank you.

[Fstop-Ian]

Thanks! for the good words azncarbos and SkullE :)

It is good to see people seeing the benefits of our product... and gospel. I've been a firm believer that our bags really do make a day taking photos that much more enjoyable.

[azncarbos]

No worry man!! I also got great comments from other photographer about the backpack over the weekend...

[gisk]

Can anyone comment on the bag's breathability? I'm trying to decide between the Tilopa and the Kata BB 222 (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=868987). The 222 has a raised mesh design so that the bag never touches your back, just the mesh does, so I'm guessing this would help with sweat. The main reason I'm looking for a backpack is to carry my stuff while biking, so sweat is a huge issue for me. Since the Tilopa is designed with sports/hiking in mind, is it safe to assume my back will stay relatively dry and cool?

[keitaro]

Can anyone comment on the bag's breathability? I'm trying to decide between the Tilopa and the Kata BB 222 (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=868987). The 222 has a raised mesh design so that the bag never touches your back, just the mesh does, so I'm guessing this would help with sweat. The main reason I'm looking for a backpack is to carry my stuff while biking, so sweat is a huge issue for me. Since the Tilopa is designed with sports/hiking in mind, is it safe to assume my back will stay relatively dry and cool?

I am not familiar with the Kata, but on the Tilopa the back padding as quoted from their website "Replaced thermal molded foam for high density foam with moisture wicking top layer.". I believe that the thermal molded foam was on the 1st generation Tilopa, while the mesh type is on the 2nd generation.

A few weeks ago, I went for a very light hike. It was warm outside, and I was very comfortable carrying the Tilopa. Both the bag felt good, and there was no issues with moisture. I'll find out how well it handles this summer, when I do more "serious" hikes.

[azncarbos]

When I was in Yosemite, doing Upper Fall and Nevada Fall hike... the back was conformable, but my back was cover in swear.....

[ZCphoto]

Has anyone had experience carrying it on a plane or will most airlines require it to be checked?

[dandig]

I have traveled extensively with it on planes and nobody has ever taken a second look at it.

[Messiah Khan]

I have recently come across the F-Stop bags, and now I think I have real gear lust for the Tilopa.

At the moment I have; Lowepro Pro Trekker, Lowepro Vertex AW200, Lowepro Flipside AW300, Tamrack Adventure 7, and have also owned a Lowepro Slingshot 200AW and Nanau Pro. All of these had their benefits but none have quite hit the mark. The Pro Trekker is probably my favourite due to its harness system but it is also very heavy and huge. My currently most used one is the Vertex 200AW. Again not a bad bag, and a better size for daytrips and trekking, but also very heavy for what it is.

So I am on the hunt for a perfect trekking daysack, and I think the Tilopa may just be what I'm after. I fly out to Canada for 3 weeks this Friday so I'm too late to order one before I fly out, but I when I come back I am very likely to order one.

A few questions first though; If I get the Tilopa, what ICU is best for me? The kit I carry 95% of the time when out and about is; Nikon (I know, I'm a darksider!) D300 (Gripped, and ungripped), Nikon 300mm f4 AF-S, 1.4X TC, Sigma 30mm f1.4, Sigma 10-20mm f4-5.6, 3-4 Filters, remote shutter, memory cards, Gitzo 1541T tripod etc. During the summer months I may also carry my Sigma 150mm f2.8 Macro lens. Would all this fit in the large ICU (With the 300mm f4 attached to the body)? How about even the medium ICU?

Also am I right in believing that a new Tilopa (mk3?) is due out towards the end of the year? If so, what features will have been added or changed? Is it worth the wait? Also will the Tilopa be available in the grey mist colour of the new Loka when it is released?

[JohnJ80]

The Large ICU that comes with the bag should hold all of that. If you want a bit more space in the bag for other gear, then get a medium too (I think they are available shortly). I have the Large in mine and I'd also like to be able to use it with a Medium. I don't think I'd want to carry any bag that had a full XL ICU in it - just too heavy (that's a lot of glass).

The tripod will fit on the side. put the head or a leg in the side pocket, use the compression straps to hold it in place.

J.

[highv0lt6ge]

Also am I right in believing that a new Tilopa (mk3?) is due out towards the end of the year? If so, what features will have been added or changed? Is it worth the wait? Also will the Tilopa be available in the grey mist colour of the new Loka when it is released?

Ian said in the thread on the Loka that the new Tilopa will be available in the grey mist color. I held out on buying the last version of the Tilopa because they didn't offer it in grey.

I would be interested in hearing of the new features on the new Tilopa. I really need a new bag and am not sure if I can wait to the end of the year.

What about the Satori? Will that be redesigned and offered in Grey anytime soon?

[JohnJ80]

email Ian (at) fstopgear.com. The mods don't like it when he gives us information about his company's products (for some reason).

Then when you find out, let us all know too!

J.

[Messiah Khan]

Thanks guys. I've emailed Ian so will post back as soon as I get a reply from him. I really think I'm leaning towards a new model Tilopa in grey with a large ICU as my next bag. :)

[highv0lt6ge]

Thanks Messiah. Maybe if we show enough interest they can speed up design and shipment!

[Jon]

email Ian (at) fstopgear.com. The mods don't like it when he gives us information about his company's products (for some reason).

Then when you find out, let us all know too!

J.We have a problem with his using POTN, instead of the F-Stop site, as an advertising vehicle for unannounced products and as a primary support facility which neither he nor the company is paying for, and which puts Pekka at risk of losing what financial support he does get from Google Ads since the terms of Google Ads specify that Pekka can't host any other competitive ads. If Ian wants to play here, and he understands this, he has to play by the same rules as any other member of POTN does.

Remember - POTN is funded out of Pekka's pocket, with supplements from member contributions and Google Ads revenues. But don't go frivolously clicking on Google Ads as when they see that happening they are fully within their rights to cancel the arrangement.

[Fstop-Ian]

Hey Guys, as Jon mentions I need to follow the rules in which I may have broken (not on purpose) but as Jon has stated, please email me for info on 'new' product.

Jon has made it clear I can only discuss current product, which I completely understand and respect. :)

To answer Khan's question, it sounds like a Large ICU is you best bet.

Regards

[rupek]

Couple of pictures from my first outing with the bag.

Very comfotable to wear, was loaded up with camera equipment, baby stuff and food for the day. Molle straps came in very handy for the monkey toy.

Wore the bag from 10 til 5, only taking it off to get things out.

Look forward to getting the smaller ICU too, will be handy for getting more stuff in.

[Fstop-Ian]

Haha great pics, we joked about the baby carry photo bag... maybe not such a bad idea?

[Messiah Khan]

Haha great pics, we joked about the baby carry photo bag... maybe not such a bad idea?

Are babies not Molle compatible? :lol:

[2mnycars]

I've considered this pack. First, it was described by others as being very well designed, similar to a proper climber's pack. Then because pack inserts are available from F/stop and tenba and others.

Here's a peek! My favourite is the first made--baby sherpa!
http://lh6.ggpht.com/__LarJVxv3sM/TAfwWzzf-_I/AAAAAAAAGGY/kd8pxtFoITQ/s640/BabySherpa.jpg

Not kidding...I might just do this.
It's also available in single colours. Costco carries it on their website.

[2mnycars]

There's a large format forum And this gentleman pushed this contraption from Wisconsin to the Grand Canyon. The cart is filled with his gear--a field camera, tripod and such.

http://lh5.ggpht.com/__LarJVxv3sM/S_1cClhFleI/AAAAAAAAGFY/p1109l2BLtA/cart.jpg

Fascinating!
DaveL
Toronto

here's a link to a similar equipment carrier on that forum...
http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?t=35243&highlight=jogging
quite a discussion going on!

[ZCphoto]

I have traveled extensively with it on planes and nobody has ever taken a second look at it.

If the dimensions are 12x24x10 = 46 linear inches. Most arlines (such as United (http://www.united.com/page/article/0,6867,1032,00.html)) only allow for 45 linear inches. Isn't it a bit risky trying to take it aboard nowadays? The last thing I'd want is for them to require it be checked :shock:

[alemmo]

If the dimensions are 12x24x10 = 46 linear inches. Most arlines (such as United (http://www.united.com/page/article/0,6867,1032,00.html)) only allow for 45 linear inches. Isn't it a bit risky trying to take it aboard nowadays? The last thing I'd want is for them to require it be checked :shock:

It is not made of cement. I think you could probably compress an inch of material :rolleyes:

[ZCphoto]

It is not made of cement. I think you could probably compress an inch of material :rolleyes:

That doesn't sound reassuring :lol: Airlines are pushing for smaller carry on requirements because of the increase in luggage being carried on (due to expense of checking). Has anyone actually been questioned?


Flight attendant "Sir, you will need two seats as you are a little two large for one"
Passenger "You can just squeeze me a few inches and I'll fit" :lol:

[alemmo]

That doesn't sound reassuring :lol: Airlines are pushing for smaller carry on requirements because of the increase in luggage being carried on (due to expense of checking). Has anyone actually been questioned?


Flight attendant "Sir, you will need two seats as you are a little two large for one"
Passenger "You can just squeeze me a few inches and I'll fit" :lol:


dude it is one inch. These bags are highly compressable they are not like a suitcase that is stiff and can not be compressed a few inches here and there. I give up lol

[JohnJ80]

Exactly.

If an airline gives you a hassle with photographic equipment do the following:

1. Remind them of the cost and ask them if they really want to be responsible for it.

2. If nothing else, take out enough stuff - lenses, bodies, etc.. and put them in your pockets and hang the camera around your neck. Then compress the bag to it's appropriate dimiensions (it will now *easily* fit) and carry it on. Once on board, re-assemble.

That said, I've never had to do that. Most of the time they just don't want to fiddle around with you especially if that's your only carryon.

j.

J.

[dandig]

dude it is one inch. These bags are highly compressable they are not like a suitcase that is stiff and can not be compressed a few inches here and there. I give up lol

Ok guys heres the thing.... YES technically the bag is one inch too long. BUT if you are very worried about it then you can un-velcro the flap inside the bag and slide out the aluminium frame. The put the frame in your checked baggage. It weighs about 100g.

When you have done this you can compress the top of the bag by about an extra 5 inches so that it is WELL within the regulations.

I have traveled all over the world with the Tilopa this year. For most flights I did not worry about the extra inch and neither did the flight attendants. On some small flights on smaller regional planes I did remove the frame to get an even smaller size and it fitted in every overhead bin or under every seat i tried it with.

[jacobsen1]

wrapped up my video review last night:
http://gear.benjacobsenphoto.com/2010/bags/f-stop-tilopa-video-review/

[dmking]

Thatnks for the great review Ben. Did you get a chance to use it with the Cotton Carrier?

[jacobsen1]

crap, not yet.... hang on, they're both right here...

OK, it works if you're me... I'm 6'4", but the black buckles on the shoulder straps are juuuust above the CC plate for the button on the chest mount. So the sternum strap can't get close for me. If you're shorter this could be an issue though....

[avwh]

I slipped the sternum strap on my pack (not a Tilopa) under the CC vest when I was hiking; it worked OK.

[jacobsen1]

the sternum strap is removable on the tilopa, so if it's an issue you can remove it.

[dmking]

Thanks for the info on the CC. I hope it works as well on the Loka I’ve preordered. Although after seeing the video, I hope it is large enough. The Tilopa looks very nice! Has anybody heard on when the Loka is supposed to ship?

[keitaro]

That was a very good video review. After owning the Tilopa, there were things that I learnt from the review haha.

[jl123]

Those are indeed slick bags. I imagine the weight feels very close and secure to your back? I sometimes feel my lowepro is too fat and needs to loose some inches.

[JohnJ80]

Those are indeed slick bags. I imagine the weight feels very close and secure to your back? I sometimes feel my lowepro is too fat and needs to loose some inches.

Yes. That is exactly what they do well. You can ski and bike ride with them well. For that to happen, it has to be snug and balance well.

J.

[JohnJ80]

Matter of fact here's a video of snowboarding with the Loka

http://snowtographers.com/2010/featured/ian-millar-f-stop-gear

scroll down and watch it.

J.

[Wummy]

Hi All - I have to post my experience purchasing from F-Stop directly..

I made a purchase for their new Medium ICU on October 7th, 2010. I recieved the order acknowledgement and the staff wrote me indicating that they are out of stock and should have it by late October. I notified them and advised I'm going on a trip on November 17th and they assured me I should have it by then. So I waited.

on October 29th, I received an email from Druid saying shipment was delayed due to some custom issues. and it will take 2 more weeks. He offered that if I have a trip coming up, contact them to work something out. I did, called left voicemail and emailed.. No response.

Finally on November 29th; I got another updated email from Druid saying they expect to get the Custom release next week (December 6th onwards) and can ship shortly after. He then offered an option to pay $60 and they will ship it DHL. But guess what I'm half way around the world in Asia right now w/ my Tilopa but no ICU....

so Basically I placed order on Oct 7th, and it takes 2.5 months to receive. Close to 12-13 weeks lead time on a simple ICU order.. this is just horrible service.

[Fstop-Ian]

Where are you in Asia? Maybe i can help you out.

Not familiar with your situation so can't comment on it. But as far as stock goes, there is very little we can do about not having stock.

As far CS goes, our CS fellow was in Patagonia for a month in that time you speak of and our CS has not been spectacular. Druid has also been in Austarlia, Holland and Spain expanding out distribution in the same time. While I have have been in Asia and still am... So maybe I have a sample around I can get you?

some things slip though the cracks... the last two months has not been perfect.

ian@fstopgear.com... please email.

[Fstop-Ian]

Should also add I only have 9 more days here (today being the so 30th) if I can help contact me soon. And very nice portfolio!

-Ian

[Wummy]

Ian - I am by no means demeaning Druid; it makes more sense to me now knowing that he was travelling while I sent the vm to him. But him telling me today that I can just go ahead and cancel the order and then we'll have no more issues is not what I'd like to hear.

I love my Tilopa and an avid F-Stop fan; but using clothes and cut out cardboards as cushion in it is not what I prefer.

I have forwarded entire chain of email for your review.

I'm in HK on an assignment right now, will be here for another 24 days....

[Wummy]

PS: - I know my order isn't huge dollar order.. but I know I've been very patience w/ the entire purchase and was understanding w/ the custom/import delays. but asking to go away by offering cancellation of my order after I waited 8 weeks isn't something anyone would like to hear. don't you agree?

[Fstop-Ian]

Ian - I am by no means demeaning Druid; it makes more sense to me now knowing that he was travelling while I sent the vm to him. But him telling me today that I can just go ahead and cancel the order and then we'll have no more issues is not what I'd like to hear.

I love my Tilopa and an avid F-Stop fan; but using clothes and cut out cardboards as cushion in it is not what I prefer.

I have forwarded entire chain of email for your review.

I'm in HK on an assignment right now, will be here for another 24 days....

Thats good news, I mean the HK bit, I'm just a few hours away.

The Dru bit... I'd fire him but he is the reason we exist... not mention my boss, the owner etc.... he is a real cranky pants at times... and the cancel your order bit, kinda make me laugh, because I know he only slept 2 hours last night... and know how he is after those work nights... in all honestly, the hours he puts in are well beyond normal. This has great effect on his ChippernesS.

Anyway regardless of the email history(have not read it yet)... I will see what I can do and get it too you shortly... may take a day to track it down.

I'll also add, when were at a point when we can (financially) afford to give better service and work normal hours... we will! Really looking forward to that day.

[Wummy]

Thanks for all the help F-Stop Crew.. still love your product and will continue to be your customer!

[j9sy]

this is going to sound really funny, but i'm only 5'0 ft. a really tiny asian girl. haha. how do you think this pack will fit on me? a bit too big?

[Fstop-Ian]

Hi j9sy, The Tilopa will be too big for you, I would suspect most bags will be, I base this on the number of emails I get from smaller woman struggling to find a good bag to fit there smaller size.

[JohnJ80]

Ian, don't you have some smaller packs like the Loka or the new one you just came out with?

J

[Fstop-Ian]

Hi John,

The Loka and most packs out there built for the more dominating male photographer will have the same harness sizing or very close to a Tilopa. Bags that are shorter on vertical height will stand a better chance of fitting a small person but 5'0 is very petit. Also the shorter bags generally do not pack what a larger bag will. Which is a pain for female photographers. Gear(lens/bodies) are the same size weather male or female so the usual backpack sizing reduction for females gets thrown out the window.

In general POTN prefers we do not use the boards for PR or CS directly related to F-Stop. Which I can and will respect.

Hopefully this OK as it is just general info I have learn along the way from talking with woman looking for bags.

[Jon]

And we appreciate Ian's willingness to cooperate with POTN's rules.

It'd be nice if photo backpacks clearly listed (as regular backpacks from major vendors do) the torso size range the pack would be suitable for.