BD stand and boom help

[Michael O]

I need a stand and boom arm for a 22" BD, and I need some help. I came up with these options:

Stand: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=workaround.jsp&A=details&Q=&sku=253069&is=REG
Or the 13' AB stand (I have one)

Boom: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=workaround.jsp&A=details&Q=&sku=253069&is=REG
Counter Weight: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=workaround.jsp&A=details&Q=&sku=253069&is=REG

Or all in one: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=workaround.jsp&A=details&Q=&sku=200109&is=REG#specifications

What do you think? One better than the other? Are these setups good enough to hold a BD?

[SnlpeR]

i vote the avenger combi

[turbodude]

i vote for a Avenger C Stand with detachable turtle base.

[Supa Lao]

In for replies for when I get mine

[m3rdpwr]

I bought a version of this: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/512958-REG/Manfrotto_by_Bogen_Imaging_085BS_Heavy_Duty_Boom_a nd.html

The model # changed when Bogen went through it's relabeling.

I own the 9.5ft Impact stand you are linking to and it is an excellent stand for the price.

However, the Bogen stand in the kit I mention is a differant class.

In all, the kit is bigger, heavier, more money and doesn't travel easy.
I couldn't find a travel bag to fit it in, and the wheels would have to come off to fold up the stand.
The boom is 3 sections and can be taken aparts for travel.

But in the end, I don't fear it tipping over...

-Mario

[m3rdpwr]

I should have mentioned that you should always have one of the tripod legs directly under the boom to keep it from tipping under weight.

Some will also mention to add saddle bags or whatever as well.

For me, just keeping the leg under the boom has worked for me along with the counter weight on the opposite side.

As someone also mentioned earlier, the C Stand is a good choice as well...

-Mario

[Michael O]

Mario,

I was looking at the kit you recommend and the Avenger combo, and it seems like the Avenger has a wider foot print and the boom load difference is only about 2lb.

I forgot to mention that I would like to use it on location also, so it has to be easy to break down.

[m3rdpwr]

Mario,

I was looking at the kit you recommend and the Avenger combo, and it seems like the Avenger has a wider foot print and the boom load difference is only about 2lb.

I forgot to mention that I would like to use it on location also, so it has to be easy to break down.

Fair enough, that's why I mentioned the not so easy breakdown. :)

-Mario

[Motofreak429]

C-Stand.. just make sure you buy sandbags if your extending alot..

TRUST ME!

[SkipD]

I bought a version of this: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/512958-REG/Manfrotto_by_Bogen_Imaging_085BS_Heavy_Duty_Boom_a nd.html

The model # changed when Bogen went through it's relabeling.

I own the 9.5ft Impact stand you are linking to and it is an excellent stand for the price.

However, the Bogen stand in the kit I mention is a differant class.

In all, the kit is bigger, heavier, more money and doesn't travel easy.
I couldn't find a travel bag to fit it in, and the wheels would have to come off to fold up the stand.
The boom is 3 sections and can be taken aparts for travel.

But in the end, I don't fear it tipping over...I have essentially this same boom/stand/weight rig and it's really worth the money.

I keep mine in a bag - stand, boom, accessories (but not the 15-lb weight) - for storage and transport to job sites. I forget the bag make/model but could research it if someone really wants to know. I got the bag from B&H or Adorama.

[m3rdpwr]

I have essentially this same boom/stand/weight rig and it's really worth the money.

I keep mine in a bag - stand, boom, accessories (but not the 15-lb weight) - for storage and transport to job sites. I forget the bag make/model but could research it if someone really wants to know. I got the bag from B&H or Adorama.

SkipD, I would appreciate it if you could find out which bag.

BH and Bogen were no help.

Also, do you have to pull the casters off when storing?

Thanks!

-Mario

[SkipD]

SkipD, I would appreciate it if you could find out which bag.

BH and Bogen were no help.

Also, do you have to pull the casters off when storing?Mario, the bag I use (I have two for my lighting equipment) is the Tamrac 328 (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/53258-REG/Tamrac_32801_328_Professional_Location_Bag.html). The boom stand fits with its casters mounted. As I said above, everything for the boom rig fits in the bag easily although I carry the 15-pound counterweight separately.

In my other 328 bag, I keep four 13-ft light air-cushioned stands - two of which have casters mounted - and two 10-foot stands.

[m3rdpwr]

Mario, the bag I use (I have two for my lighting equipment) is the Tamrac 328 (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/53258-REG/Tamrac_32801_328_Professional_Location_Bag.html). The boom stand fits with its casters mounted. As I said above, everything for the boom rig fits in the bag easily although I carry the 15-pound counterweight separately.

In my other 328 bag, I keep four 13-ft light air-cushioned stands - two of which have casters mounted - and two 10-foot stands.

Thanks for the info!

Pricey thing, ain't it?! :)

-Mario

[SkipD]

Thanks for the info!

Pricey thing, ain't it?! :)I about choked when I saw the current price. I paid about $97 for my last one just a few years ago.

[TMR Design]

I might have missed it but is the stand/boom combination going to be used indoors and in the studio or on location. C Stands are great but not always a favorite for a location kit.

[Cathpah]

Really, really.....for $20 more, you can have THIS (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/611471-REG/Avenger_A4039CS_A4039CS_Combi_Boom_Stand_.html) Avenger boom/combo stand. All steel, strong as hell, boom is built right into the stand (so you can either ignore the boom and use it as a standard stand, or pull the boom out and use it in that orientation).

The chrome steel will last forever and handle just about any abuse you can throw at it. It has a levelling leg (also know as lazy leg or rocky mountain leg) to help you deal with uneven surfaces (always a part of location work), and when it's closed down, it fits across the back of my subaru outback "trunk."

It is absolutely my go to location stand (literally lives in my trunk) but I also use it in studio applications all the time.

The only downside? It won't accept wheels/casters. But if you're using it on location, that shouldn't matter.

[TMR Design]

Really, really.....for $20 more, you can have THIS (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/611471-REG/Avenger_A4039CS_A4039CS_Combi_Boom_Stand_.html) Avenger boom/combo stand. All steel, strong as hell, boom is built right into the stand (so you can either ignore the boom and use it as a standard stand, or pull the boom out and use it in that orientation).

The chrome steel will last forever and handle just about any abuse you can throw at it. It has a levelling leg (also know as lazy leg or rocky mountain leg) to help you deal with uneven surfaces (always a part of location work), and when it's closed down, it fits across the back of my subaru outback "trunk."

It is absolutely my go to location stand (literally lives in my trunk) but I also use it in studio applications all the time.

The only downside? It won't accept wheels/casters. But if you're using it on location, that shouldn't matter.

I love convertible boom stands. :D

[J Kacey]

Really, really.....for $20 more, you can have THIS (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/611471-REG/Avenger_A4039CS_A4039CS_Combi_Boom_Stand_.html) Avenger boom/combo stand. All steel, strong as hell, boom is built right into the stand (so you can either ignore the boom and use it as a standard stand, or pull the boom out and use it in that orientation).

The chrome steel will last forever and handle just about any abuse you can throw at it. It has a levelling leg (also know as lazy leg or rocky mountain leg) to help you deal with uneven surfaces (always a part of location work), and when it's closed down, it fits across the back of my subaru outback "trunk."

It is absolutely my go to location stand (literally lives in my trunk) but I also use it in studio applications all the time.

The only downside? It won't accept wheels/casters. But if you're using it on location, that shouldn't matter.

Great advise! Avenger & Matthews stands rock! Buy once.... use forever

[m3rdpwr]

I love convertible boom stands. :D

I do to, however the two Impact 13' foot boom stands I bought were junk really.

But, I guess you get what you pay for... :)

-Mario

[Michael O]

Really, really.....for $20 more, you can have THIS (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/611471-REG/Avenger_A4039CS_A4039CS_Combi_Boom_Stand_.html) Avenger boom/combo stand. All steel, strong as hell, boom is built right into the stand (so you can either ignore the boom and use it as a standard stand, or pull the boom out and use it in that orientation).

The chrome steel will last forever and handle just about any abuse you can throw at it. It has a levelling leg (also know as lazy leg or rocky mountain leg) to help you deal with uneven surfaces (always a part of location work), and when it's closed down, it fits across the back of my subaru outback "trunk."

It is absolutely my go to location stand (literally lives in my trunk) but I also use it in studio applications all the time.

The only downside? It won't accept wheels/casters. But if you're using it on location, that shouldn't matter.

The one combo I was looking at: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=cart_accessories&A=details&Q=&sku=200109&is=REG#specifications looks like the one you recommended except it is aluminum, about 8lb lighter and maximum boom load is about 2lb less, but it has a wider foot print. I was thinking that for location it would just be easier to carry. Would this be a bad choice?

[TMR Design]

I do to, however the two Impact 13' foot boom stands I bought were junk really.

But, I guess you get what you pay for... :)

-Mario

HI Mario,

I think that one of the best items in the Impact lineup is the 9.5' air cushioned light stand. I don't abuse mine but I do use it on location with my Seedlight kit. So far I haven't had any problems but it's clear that the use of plastics and the construction were not intended for heavy duty location use. In the studio they would probably last a long time and not show any wear. I've owned some other smaller assorted Impact products and they were fine but wouldn't buy any of the larger, heavy duty stands for use with expensive strobes or to use for demanding location work.

[m3rdpwr]

HI Mario,

I think that one of the best items in the Impact lineup is the 9.5' air cushioned light stand. I don't abuse mine but I do use it on location with my Seedlight kit. So far I haven't had any problems but it's clear that the use of plastics and the construction were not intended for heavy duty location use. In the studio they would probably last a long time and not show any wear. I've owned some other smaller assorted Impact products and they were fine but wouldn't buy any of the larger, heavy duty stands for use with expensive strobes or to use for demanding location work.

Agreed.

My two Impact 9.5 are awesome, my 8ft ac, are okay and the 13ft convertable booms not so much, even with Speedlite's.

I would expect the Impact 13ft ac stand is just as good as the 9.5.

I also have 4 bogen (3333?) That came with my Elinchrom kit's and they seem to be of the same quality as the Impact 8 ft, but slightly better built.

But now I am getting off subject again... :)

-Mario

[Cathpah]

The one combo I was looking at: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=cart_accessories&A=details&Q=&sku=200109&is=REG#specifications looks like the one you recommended except it is aluminum, about 8lb lighter and maximum boom load is about 2lb less, but it has a wider foot print. I was thinking that for location it would just be easier to carry. Would this be a bad choice?

For me, personally, I'd rather carry a little weight and have MUCH more confidence in the strenght and durability of my stand. Location use is tough on gear, and as long as you're not hiking a mile into the woods, carrying an extra 8lbs probably won't kill you. I carry one of those, plus 2 of the impact 9.5' stands that are being talked about. Even then, the first stand I grab everytime (Whether I'm using a large softbox/bd or not...) just because it works everytime, and I don't worry about dents or dings, like I would with an aluminum stand.

Steel will last you a lifetime, support ANYTHING (I think avenger vastly underestimates the strength of their steel stands), and help you beef up the ol' biceps. Can't go wrong.

[GenuineRolla]

I will say this now and forever, I've had nothing but good experiences with the AlienBee 13' HD stand and Boom Arm.

[Cathpah]

I will say this now and forever, I've had nothing but good experiences with the AlienBee 13' HD stand and Boom Arm.

:D yes you do!

While I know you're a big fan of that, I've heard many others disagree with your experience. That's not to say your experience is anything less than valid, but:

I will say this now and forever, a high-quality steel avenger stand just can't be beat. Stronger, and more durable than anything else....and the added weight/build quality helps things not flop around in the wind as much.

That, plus the fact that a levelling leg is INDISPENSIBLE in the field.

[symbolphoto]

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/204456-REG/Avenger_A4050CS_A4050CS_Junior_Boom_Stand.html

I have one of these... and i'll tell you, when i was unpacking it, i thought i was unpacking the Terminator. Looks and weight wise. If you aren't going to be on location, this is the only stand you'd EVER need! Ever. I couldn't break this even if i wanted to. Really.

That being said, i'm now on the hunt of a boom i can bring on location. That one you linked earlier Jeff looks good.

[dst.zero]

Really, really.....for $20 more, you can have THIS (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/611471-REG/Avenger_A4039CS_A4039CS_Combi_Boom_Stand_.html) Avenger boom/combo stand. All steel, strong as hell, boom is built right into the stand (so you can either ignore the boom and use it as a standard stand, or pull the boom out and use it in that orientation).

The chrome steel will last forever and handle just about any abuse you can throw at it. It has a levelling leg (also know as lazy leg or rocky mountain leg) to help you deal with uneven surfaces (always a part of location work), and when it's closed down, it fits across the back of my subaru outback "trunk."

It is absolutely my go to location stand (literally lives in my trunk) but I also use it in studio applications all the time.

The only downside? It won't accept wheels/casters. But if you're using it on location, that shouldn't matter.

Found this thread while looking for some feedback on combi booms. B&H does say it takes the $A9000 (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/67137-REG/Avenger_A9000_Wheel_Set_with_Brakes.html)$ casters. Can you tell me how high the main stand goes on the A4039CS with the boom in use? How heavy of a load do you normally put on it while using the boom? Also is it possible to use with the base not fully opened so the footprint is smaller in tight spaces? Thanks

[symbolphoto]

Found this thread while looking for some feedback on combi booms. B&H does say it takes the $A9000 (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/67137-REG/Avenger_A9000_Wheel_Set_with_Brakes.html)$ casters. Can you tell me how high the main stand goes on the A4039CS with the boom in use? How heavy of a load do you normally put on it while using the boom? Also is it possible to use with the base not fully opened so the footprint is smaller in tight spaces? Thanks


Not sure on the 4039, but I have the 4050, and can measure tonight, but mine goes higher than 13' with the boom extended. We have used it with an Elinchrom RX600 and Deep Octa, and also the RX600 with 69" octa. Not sure on the weight of those combinations but it could easily hold more if needed.

I know you asked about the 4039. But just in case you wanted to go 'one-up'.

[dst.zero]

Not sure on the 4039, but I have the 4050, and can measure tonight, but mine goes higher than 13' with the boom extended. We have used it with an Elinchrom RX600 and Deep Octa, and also the RX600 with 69" octa. Not sure on the weight of those combinations but it could easily hold more if needed.

I know you asked about the 4039. But just in case you wanted to go 'one-up'.

Thanks for the reply. I'm also planning on using the boom for a 600rx (That I just ordered when Amazon briefly dropped the price to $623!) along with an octa and maybe beauty dish with grid. I was looking at the 4050 as well but it's just too big for my 10' wide area and I also want something more portable as well.

[symbolphoto]

$623?? I was happy when i found a new one on ebay for $625. scoop that sucker up!

[tetrode]

... B&H does say it takes the $A9000 (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/67137-REG/Avenger_A9000_Wheel_Set_with_Brakes.html)$ casters. ...

If you're talking about the A4039CS stand, don't you believe it. That stand most definitely does not take the A9000 caster set:

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=700475

Dave F.

[dst.zero]

If you're talking about the A4039CS stand, don't you believe it. That stand most definitely does not take the A9000 caster set:

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=700475

Dave F.

Wow. Thanks a lot for the link. I had both in my cart at B&H but then found a used black Avenger c-stand w/grip arm on Craigslist for $110 and picked it up today instead. I guess if I end up getting a smaller than A4050cs boom that takes wheels I will probably go for the A420 or a Matthews roller and D600 arm.

[edgar-Junior]

Buy this item i all ready test and work amazing !!!

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/253065-REG/Impact_LS_13HAB_Air_Cushioned_Heavy_Duty.html
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/images/largeimages/253065.jpg

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/495360-REG/Westcott_6017_Complete_Boom_Arm_.html
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/images/largeimages/495360.jpg


This shot is from Phamster set in action!!!
http://i48.tinypic.com/aaym2v.jpg

[dirks]

If you're talking about the A4039CS stand, don't you believe it. That stand most definitely does not take the A9000 caster set:

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=700475

Dave F.

I m planning to buy the Avenger A4039CS + A9000 aswell and I was curious if both go well together, so I wrote an email to Manfrotto.

This is their statement:

The point you raise is correct, unluckily there's a design difference between the leg and the wheel. Basically the angle of the wheel is slightly different from the angle of the leg (originally the A9000 were designed for different stands).

Mechanically speaking there's no danger in using it, only you will have the axis of the wheels slightly "turning" towards the footprint of the stand.

The answer to your question is: yes there's a difference but it's not impacting functionality anyhow.


I m still not sure if I want to buy them. Its over 500$ for both here in Germany, and for that kind of money, I want something that works perfectly...