5DMKIII

[westernminnguy]

This thread may head to the future predictions thread or whatever.....but

FWIW. When and if Canon comes out with an upgrade of my 5DMKII, here are two things I would like to see(among others) in the new camera.

Video capability upgrade:

A balanced(three prong) microphone input jack for sound(video aspect) along with manual sound controls. 48v phantom power would be nice too.

For still photography:

A 6 fps would be great and fast enough for me to do wildlife or sports.

How about the rest of you?

What would you like to see in an 5DMKIII(or whatever a 5DMKII upgrade is called)?

:D

[Todd Lambert]

Boy, this is going to be a really old thread by the time this comes out.

[russkny]

-Real time, RAW histogram in the viewfinder; or at least just RAW histogram.
-7D AF system

[Shawnwil]

Getting a used 5Dc for around $500 :lol:

[J-B]

My only real wish is a kickass AF system. :)

[Cathpah]

adjustable bracketing (up to 7 or 9 frames!)...this would be HUGE for my architectural work.

[FlyingPhotog]

adjustable bracketing (up to 7 or 9 frames!)...this would be HUGE for my architectural work.

If you're shooting architecture (one assumes nothing will move) why not simply adjust your shutter speed to get the multiple exposures you want?

[mrgooch]

What ever changes there are,I am in.

[Cathpah]

If you're shooting architecture (one assumes nothing will move) why not simply adjust your shutter speed to get the multiple exposures you want?

Because that necessitates touching the camera, which then can move/shift the positioning or add to camera shake on a tripod. And, if I want multiple exposures off by say 2/3 of a stop, it's a lot easier to set your bracketing rather than counting clicks on the click-wheel.

[Todd Lambert]

Because that necessitates touching the camera, which then can move/shift the positioning or add to camera shake on a tripod. And, if I want multiple exposures off by say 2/3 of a stop, it's a lot easier to set your bracketing rather than counting clicks on the click-wheel.


This is where the iPhone remote application comes in handy. You can easily change the aperture settings and focus, via the phone, and not have to touch the camera.

[KenjiS]

I bet the 5D Mark III is coming next year around Sept/Oct after the 1Ds Mark IV

Specs:

28mp sensor based on tech from the 7D's sensor
19-point AF
Digic V [or Dual Digic IV]
5fps
OLED rear screen
Improvements to the movie mode
Accessory live viewfinder for movie mode applications [I'm thinking a thing that clips on where the optical viewfinder cup attaches and then plugs into the side of the camera, leaving the hotshoe free for a microphone still] or perhaps an accessory rear screen
Improved weathersealing [7D-level]

And to be easy on myself, Everything the 7D added to Canon's trickbag basically

[AdamJL]

This thread may head to the future predictions thread or whatever.....but

FWIW. When and if Canon comes out with an upgrade of my 5DMKII, here are two things I would like to see(among others) in the new camera.

Video capability upgrade:

A balanced(three prong) microphone input jack for sound(video aspect) along with manual sound controls. 48v phantom power would be nice too.

For still photography:

A 6 fps would be great and fast enough for me to do wildlife or sports.

How about the rest of you?

What would you like to see in an 5DMKIII(or whatever a 5DMKII upgrade is called)?

:D

I doubt we'll get 6fps, but the rest is a possibility. Me? Less pixels would be nice! As would more comprehensive video controls.

[Colin Morey]

I doubt you'll see a balanced (XLR?) mic input especially with phantom power in the main body, perhaps available in a 'video grip', otherwise I doubt there's actually room in the body, now, something like an external box feeding a digital signal in via some 3.5 optical jack (like how the mac mini does it, with a normal 3.5mm with optical core) could be done.

[Lonnie]

OK, since I saw the want for a special need (architectural photography) and I also saw someone mention the iPhone....how about -

Downloadable apps for the 5d3?

An open source development package for a dSLR would be BAD ASS

[cfibanez]

Better AF.
Better AF.
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Better AF.........

[Suedezu]

I would like to have 3 aspects improved:

-7D or better AF system (if possible an AF system that better covers the huge FF viewfinder. Ideally and AF system to cover the thirds intersections)

-100% viewfinder coverage

-better weathersealing

[alt4852]

I would like to have 3 aspects improved:

-7D or better AF system (if possible an AF system that better covers the huge FF viewfinder. Ideally and AF system to cover the thirds intersections)

-100% viewfinder coverage

-better weathersealing

yea, that's all i could ever ask for too.

[RWatkins]

RAW video... but I'm not holding my breath.

I don't think this will happen anytime soon though. Based on the last two upgrades, I don't think that Canon will be in any hurry to release an upgrade when the d700s (???) is released.

[MDJAK]

Better AF.
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Better AF.
Better AF.........

I hope it doesn't hunt back and forth like that. :lol:

me

[jeppoy]

integrated coffee maker and toaster :D would be nice :D

[samueli]

I bet the 5D Mark III is coming next year around Sept/Oct after the 1Ds Mark IV

I hope it's quicker than that. I'll really need some of the 5D2 features come early spring, but I'm not going to be the dumba$$ again that buys the old model right before the new one comes out.

[AdamJL]

I doubt you'll see the 5D III any earlier than Photokina next year. My guess is probably the following Spring (2011).

[alt4852]

I hope it's quicker than that. I'll really need some of the 5D2 features come early spring, but I'm not going to be the dumba$$ again that buys the old model right before the new one comes out.

instead, you'll be the dumba$$ that buys the new model right when it comes out? ;)

I doubt you'll see the 5D III any earlier than Photokina next year. My guess is probably the following Spring (2011).

yea, i'd guess spring or fall of 2011 at the earliest. i hope nobody's holding their breath. :p

[David Rossberg]

A $1000 200L f/2 kit lens would be nice.

[jorkata]

I doubt you'll see the 5D III any earlier than Photokina next year. My guess is probably the following Spring (2011).

I'm betting on Photokina - or maybe even June next year.

The 5DIII will have the same body as the 7D.

Most likely it will be cheaper for Canon to move the 5DIII asap to the 7D assembly lines - rather than running the 5DII assembly line(s) in parallel.

[RWatkins]

A $1000 200L f/2 kit lens would be nice.
I hear they are waiting on the first batch of optical quality transparent aluminum before adding it for 999.00 as an option.

[Brains]

I don't think balanced audio inputs and such make sense, since it's an SLR with a movie mode -- not a dedicated video camera. My opinion, of course.

Things I'd like to see:
- Faster, better AF with more points
- Faster shutter - I'd like to see 8fps+ even if it takes a grip to provide the power
- Full weather sealing
- Built-in WiFi for tethering to computer
- Built-in wireless trigger for strobes, including TTL info exchange (its time to develop an open standard, and I'd love for Canon to lead the charge - RF, not IR)
- Built-in receiver for wireless shutter remote (RF, not IR)
- Electronic shutter option for high speed flash sync

[Ferrari_Alex]

I would like to have 3 aspects improved:

-7D or better AF system (if possible an AF system that better covers the huge FF viewfinder. Ideally and AF system to cover the thirds intersections)

-100% viewfinder coverage

-better weathersealing

I agree....maybe a better built quality and more FPS.

[Ferrari_Alex]

Do you not think that whatever you ask for D700 has already today?

[narlus]

if possible an AF system that better covers the huge FF viewfinder. Ideally and AF system to cover the thirds intersections)


does anyone have an image which shows the D700/D3 AF pattern, as seen in the viewfinder?

[KenjiS]

does anyone have an image which shows the D700/D3 AF pattern, as seen in the viewfinder?

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/NikonD700/page4.asp

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its cool though it needs to be spread out a bit more i think..

Do you not think that whatever you ask for D700 has already today?

You're right, I'm dumping my Canon stuff right now for a D700, 24mm f/1.4, 50mm f/1.2 and 85mm f/1.2

...Wait a minute :)

[cfibanez]

I agree....maybe a better built quality and more FPS.

For a FF body, going above 4fps takes quite a bit of engineering. Flipping a huge FF mirror up and down at high speed is not easy. It can be done, but it costs, and belongs to the 1D series. We will not see higher fps in the 5D body. The next step here will be a better AF system, aka 7D, but with more points. My 2 cents.

[narlus]

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/NikonD700/page4.asp

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its cool though it needs to be spread out a bit more i think..


thanks for that.

yeah, after seeing that, i can't for the life of me figure out why people jump up and down about 51 AF points...they are on top of each other like bees in the hive.

[KenjiS]

thanks for that.

yeah, after seeing that, i can't for the life of me figure out why people jump up and down about 51 AF points...they are on top of each other like bees in the hive.

Makes more sense in the D300

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/NikonD300/page4.asp

But Canon does the same thing on the EOS-1Ds Mark III

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/CanonEOS1DSMarkIII/page4.asp

The reason is for sports/wildlife, it gives you a virtually seamless area where focus can be tracked..its less about selection more about tracking...

of course with Auto AF point selection, i found the 45-point in my EOS-3 never needed to be overridden, it was almost psychic about where i wanted to focus and what needed to be in focus...

[cfibanez]

thanks for that.

yeah, after seeing that, i can't for the life of me figure out why people jump up and down about 51 AF points...they are on top of each other like bees in the hive.

Had a quick look at Ken Rockwell's review of the D700. Why does he has to be such and ass about the 5DII?

[KenjiS]

Had a quick look at Ken Rockwell's review of the D700. Why does he has to be such and ass about the 5DII?

Because he's an idiot thats why...He was an equal ass about the 5D...

He's also not that great at photography, I saw a bird shot he did saying how awesome the 200-400 VR was, I could easily get a better result with my 100-400...

[WillOPhotos]

interesting thread, see you guys in 2 years when this comes out :cool:

[Ferrari_Alex]

Yeah, that is why I am saying D700x or D800 is the answer:-)

[golfecho]

OK, I read everyone's wants. Some very reasonable, some a bit of a bridge too far. I have consolodated my wants from the best of those posted, changed a couple, and added one or two of my own:

-7D AF system
-adjustable bracketing (5 or 7 frames)...
-21.1 MP (no change)
-Built-in wireless trigger for strobes, including TTL info exchange (its time to develop an open standard, and I'd love for Canon to lead the charge - RF, not IR)
-Digic V
-Improved weathersealing [7D-level]
-Improve kit lens to a 2.8 level.
- Continued downward trend in cost

So . . . Is Christmas time too soon??

[Ferrari_Alex]

I really have my money on the table for such a camera. I just do not see to big of a difference with 40D and 5D MKII for the type of photography I do. It has to have something extra.....and my money are waiting:-) I might even be able to purchase a 3D if it comes out:-)

[Karl Johnston]

I think it will be 3 years before we see another 5D

[Derrick_SA]

Yeah I can't see a follow up for the 5Dmkii before early '11. I mean with 50 000 5DmkII on backorder worldwide after 12 months of the cameras life, demand stays unusually high, it would be stupid of canon to replace the camera with that kind of sales. and as of now, none of the competitors can shoot Full HD.

Also I don't think we will see balanced XLR connectors on the cameras, and frankly think they shouldn't because it's gonna need space for the pre-amps and what not, and make the camera to big, BUT what I would like is a Timecode Sync (Genlock) so that you can lock the timecode of the video and off camera sound. But the idea of a "Video GRIP" sounds like a cool idea too. with options like XLR and HD-SDI on the grip, it could be nice and you can put it on the camera only when you need it.

anyways, my opinion,
Derrick

[toxic]

I know nothing about video, so I can't comment on that part

Option 1:
- 11-pt AF (+6 assist in the center, though more is always good), cross all around, and spread out slightly more to match the spread on the 1Ds
- AF points that switch with camera orientation
- slightly larger viewfinder
- 4-5 fps and slightly shorter blackout/shutter lag
- improved metering
- improved rear LCD (increase usability in bright light)
- ~$2000 price tag

Option 2:
- 19-pt AF, all or mostly cross-type and extra-sensitive with f/2.8 and some or all f/4 lenses
- 100% viewfinder
- more weather-sealing
- 5 fps
- shorter VF blackout and shutter lag, more like the 30/40/50D
- built-in wireless trigger capability, or built into the grip
- 1 or more stops of (useable) DR
- anything else mentioned in option 1
- same price as new 5DII

For a FF body, going above 4fps takes quite a bit of engineering. Flipping a huge FF mirror up and down at high speed is not easy. It can be done, but it costs, and belongs to the 1D series. We will not see higher fps in the 5D body. The next step here will be a better AF system, aka 7D, but with more points. My 2 cents.

maybe it does...but maybe not. Nikon did it with the D700, and Canon did it with the EOS 3.

[blackshadow]

I would like to have 3 aspects improved:

-7D or better AF system (if possible an AF system that better covers the huge FF viewfinder. Ideally and AF system to cover the thirds intersections)

-100% viewfinder coverage

-better weathersealing

This camera is already available; it's called the 1Ds Mark III.

[anorphirith]

My only real wish is a kickass AF system. :)

me too

[AJSJones]

This is where the iPhone remote application comes in handy. You can easily change the aperture settings and focus, via the phone, and not have to touch the camera.

Now a cable that connects direct to the iPhone (no need for PC in between) that allows you to see LiveView (inc 5x and 10x) remotely as well as control camera parameters and focus and shoot - now that would be cool....

[KenjiS]

Also I don't think we will see balanced XLR connectors on the cameras, and frankly think they shouldn't because it's gonna need space for the pre-amps and what not, and make the camera to big, BUT what I would like is a Timecode Sync (Genlock) so that you can lock the timecode of the video and off camera sound. But the idea of a "Video GRIP" sounds like a cool idea too. with options like XLR and HD-SDI on the grip, it could be nice and you can put it on the camera only when you need it.


Thats my exact thinking, a dedicated video grip module that gives you all those options that you need, Maybe also a plug for a dedicated video battery pack as well [like a belt pack] to power it all

And maybe some form of option for external storage, ie, external hard drives...for extended shooting

[rhomsy]

I'd like a better flash sync speed. What about an electronic shutter for any speed above the mechanical shutter sync speed. So, you could sync up to 1/8000 a second. That would open the door to some creative lighting.

Heck, they could implement this in the current 5dmkii. It's only a firmware upgrade and digicams can even do this.

[frankchn]

^ Digicams can do this because they have CCD sensors instead of CMOS ones. You might get rolling shutter problems if Canon implements this with in firmware on current sensors (like what you get on video modes).

[JayStar86]

i have a simple one.... all the new and improved features of the Canon 7D stuffed into the 5D Mark II will updated with the latest Canon tech at the time of release (ex. if digic 6 were to come out by then) = 5D Mark III.

[Ferrari_Alex]

What I also miss (this is minor) on 5D vs D700 is the nice interface that Nikon has - you can check the battery life status by %, etc
Canon really looks too simple when we talk what you get from D700 vs 5D MKII....and if the new iteration of both bodies will even make the difference more visible, than the trend will mean that Canon is in trouble. 4-5 nes lenses are in a way from nikon in 2010....if you know what it will mean in the overall picture

[wem]

Quick and accurate AF points. I don't need tracking or grouping of AF points. I understand that is the 7D's strong point. But a better spread out system of points (perhaps based on 'golden rule' notions), higher accuracy and the ability to consistently focus in the dark would be great.


And built-in wireless flash control would be appreciated, but is no deal breaker for me.

[amfoto1]

Hey, how about a built in iPhone or Blackberry?

Starbucks order button?

Seriously....

I'd like them to remove the video and not install a built-in flash to make built-in wireless flash control possible. Don't stick GPS in there either.

If I want video, I'll buy a video camera. I already have an ST-E2 module for wireless flash control (instead Canon should start to concentrate on converting to radio control, rather than line-of-sight limited IR). Offer GPS/Geotagging via an add-on module, so I can simply not bother buying one.

I know, I know... Video is here to stay, the masses and competition demand it. But, this is just speculation and perhaps Canon will listen, regarding B.I. flash and Geotagging.

IMHO, much faster frame rate is not necessary, either. 4 fps is plenty. This is not really a sports camera, nor do all sports shooters use "spray & pray" shooting technique. Who wants 21MP (or 30MP or 45MP, whatever) images at 10 fps? That'll fill up those CF cards in a hurry! Not to mention hard drives.

Or, hey, maybe they could offer a cropped (EF-S?) mode sRAW or mRAW that manage a higher frame rate.

In other posts I've mentioned that a momentary high fps button "burst" button on the grip would be useful, similar to the white buttons on the old Motor Drive MA. That was great when popping away single shots and something happened that called for a quick burst. But this is probably more of a feature for 7D MkII than 5D MkIII.

Add an MLU button, or make this a function that can be assigned to one of the camera's buttons. I wonder how many years/decades Canon users have been asking for this... And Canon has been stubbornly ignoring them. Canon must have a VP of Design who has a deep-seated hatred or fear of MLU, maybe lost a finger in a Pentax 67 during MLU or something like that.

Upgrade the viewfinder, AF, focus screen to 7D specs... at least. (100%, faster AF, 19 cross type points, grid on demand, electronic level, etc., etc.) Might need dual processors and/or a processor dedicated to AF alone to manage this. I haven't really used all the AF features of the 7D enough yet to say which are useful or if any aren't.... But the wider spread of AF points someone already suggest is a good idea. They are rather bunched up in the middle on the 5D MkII. Better on the 7D, but still some room for improvement there, too.

19 AF points is plenty. The D700's 51 is simply ridiculous. I find it very distracting covering so much of the image area. I'd much rather have a reasonable number of points like this, ideally placed within the image area and with spot metering linked to the active AF point, than have some huge number of AF points.

Initial impressions of the 7D's metering 63 zone system... It's good and should be incorporated in the 5D MkIII too.

150,000 shutter.... ala 7D.

Articulated LCD screen.

Control layout should be identical to 7D (or 7D MkII, depending upon upon when 5D MkIII actually comes around). This is for those of us who use both cameras side-by-side. Would have been nice if the 50D had a control layout more identical, too. Maybe the 60D will.

Did I mention MLU button?

Improve dust/weather sealing to 7D specs or slightly better.

1/250 flash sync. Yeah, yeah, I know the shutter needs to travel a lot farther in FF, but full frame/film cameras have had this and even higher for decades now. It's dumb that the 5D/5D2 have only had 1/200.

Remove the Direct Print button... No one uses it, do they? Hey, that could be an MLU button instead!

Articulated LCD screen would be very, very useful for Live View.

Put a locking mechanism on the mode dial, so it can't be accidentally bumped to an incorrect setting while shooting. A simple push button release in the middle of the dial would do.

MLU button, MLU button, MLU button, MLU button, MLU button, MLU button, MLU button, MLU button, MLU button, MLU button, MLU button, MLU button, MLU button, MLU button, MLU button, MLU button, MLU button, MLU button, MLU button, MLU button, MLU button, MLU button, MLU button, MLU button...

An articulated LCD screen would be great for high and low angle shots with Live View (and video, he grudgingly admitted...).

Dual CF memory slots. They're going to be needed if the MP wars keep going the way they have been. (Not to mention, for videos.)

Not a combo of CF and SDHC, please. Two different types of memory is pretty silly and anything smaller than CF is just too easy to lose.

ISO 25, ISO 12, ISO 6.

Articulated LCD, articulated LCD, articulated LCD, articulated LCD, articulated LCD, articulated LCD, articulated LCD, articulated LCD, articulated LCD, articulated LCD, articulated LCD, articulated LCD, articulated LCD, articulated LCD, articulated LCD, articulated LCD, articulated LCD...

Why can't 7D and 5D MkII share the same battery grip and WFT? Maybe 7DII and 5D MkIII could. I do prefer a separate grip, so it can be removed if I wish.

Speaking of the WFT, we need one that still allows two batteries for the camera... Or at least a unit that you don't have to remove to replace the camera battery.

A little smaller and lighter camera would be nice for those of us who find ourselves shooting all day with it. The grips are getting a bit "chunky" too.

A built in viewfinder eyepiece shutter would be cool... Not really necessary, but cool. Some of the Nikon's have one!

Price point: $2500 or so.

Finally.... How about an MLU button and an articulated LCD screen?

p.s. There probably still should be a high speed, full frame Canon, most likely with reduced MP sensor...Perhaps it will be the mythical "3D". Maybe it also could share battery grip and WFT with the 7D MkII and 5D MkIII. The 5D3 won't be a 1D-type camera... Canon already makes two of those.

[Jahled]

A rugged 1D style body, the latest ISO technology, some minor improvement on the FPS, is more or less my wish. I seem to focus fine

I had a curious email today from a mate who's a journalist and knowing I have put in an order for a 1D4, asked the editor of a photo magazine who he knows what their opinion was between that, the 7D, and the 5D2 is; the last of which got their ultimate thumbs up for my needs at least, not being a sports photographer. Darren did add she was rather elusive when the FPS bit was muttered about. So horses for courses.

But I don't think I have understood why camera manufacturers don't make their semi-pro bodies with the built in portrait grip, they really are much easier things to handle in terms of comfort for portraits and balance in general, and in all honesty it would be nice to have something built like a tank I can afford that's suits my needs as opposed to something like the 1Ds which only becomes affordable once the technology in it has been leap frogged by something else, to still make such expenditure reasonably pointless from my point of view

Obviously there are lot's of happy and content people snapping away and earning a living still on much older models, but this is a rumour thread right? So i'm just saying :)

[Tom H. Photography]

I would like:

- Better weather sealing.
- Better AF system.
- Dual Digic IV or better.
- Stronger but lightweight composite materials to shave some of the weight of. I like the size but I find it a bit too heavy. If they can shave like 100 or 150 grams of that would be great.
-100% Viewfinder like on the 7D.

They can loose video mode and built in flash for me. Make it a photographers dream camera, not a pseudo video camera.

When this happens, I will go FF :)

[golfecho]

Don't stick GPS in there either. .

Disagree. Turn off - yes. But it is going to be a big part of the future (GPS) and the circuitry is so small and simple, it's a good fit.


If I want video, I'll buy a video camera.
I couldn't agree more . . .


IMHO, much faster frame rate is not necessary, either. 4 fps is plenty.
I couldn't agree more . . .


Add an MLU button, or make this a function that can be assigned to one of the camera's buttons . . .

Did I mention MLU button?

Remove the Direct Print button... No one uses it, do they? Hey, that could be an MLU button instead!

MLU button, MLU button, MLU button, MLU button, MLU button, MLU button, MLU button, MLU button, MLU button, MLU button, MLU button, MLU button, MLU button, MLU button, MLU button, MLU button, MLU button, MLU button, MLU button, MLU button, MLU button, MLU button, MLU button, MLU button...

Finally.... How about an MLU button . . .


OK, I give up. What the heck is a MLU button?


Upgrade the viewfinder, AF, focus screen to 7D specs... at least. (100%, faster AF, 19 cross type points, grid on demand, electronic level, etc., etc.) Might need dual processors and/or a processor dedicated to AF alone to manage this. But the wider spread of AF points someone already suggest is a good idea. 19 AF points is plenty. I'd much rather have a reasonable number of points like this, ideally placed within the image area and with spot metering linked to the active AF point, than have some huge number of AF points.


Agreed.


150,000 shutter.... ala 7D.



I'm with you . . . except why not 200K??


Articulated LCD screen.

Articulated LCD, articulated LCD, articulated LCD, articulated LCD, articulated LCD, articulated LCD, articulated LCD, articulated LCD, articulated LCD, articulated LCD, articulated LCD, articulated LCD, articulated LCD, articulated LCD, articulated LCD, articulated LCD, articulated LCD...


Perhaps helpfull, but not a "must have" for me . . .


Improve dust/weather sealing to 7D specs or slightly better.
Yup.


1/250 flash sync.
Yup.


Dual CF memory slots. Not a combo of CF and SDHC, please. Two different types of memory is pretty silly and anything smaller than CF is just too easy to lose.

Just common sense . . . I'm with you here too.


A built in viewfinder eyepiece shutter would be cool... Not really necessary, but cool.
Yup.

All great points. You are a bit like me in that you recognize that cameras shouldn't have to be something that fits every need in a single piece of gear. The Air Force keeps trying to build the "one size fits all" jet, and winds up flying a compromise every time. Same idea here. Build the 5DMkIII for the specific market it is optimum for, and let other users buy the 7D, 3D, 50/60D, etc.

[amfoto1]

MLU = Mirror Lockup.

Canon users have been asking for a dedicated button for a couple decades. We've had to dig into Custom Functions to enable it... More recently it's a little better than that, can be moved up in the menu, or just use Live View. Still, we got a largely worthless Direct Print button and, more recently, a Picture Styles button that is just a shortcut to what's already in the menu, but still no MLU button? Not even the option to assign it as a secondary function to one of the other buttons? How big a deal does this have to be?

Granted, not everyone uses MLU... But not everyone uses video, either. Or built in-flash, or GPS/Geotagging. I bet a lot more people would use MLU, particularly on a camera like the 5D which is ideal for landscape/architecture and other, similar high-precision uses.

But, to be completely fair to Canon, back when I switched to it in 2001 every Canon 35mm film SLR except for the most entry level Rebel had MLU (buried though it might be). Of the Nikon 35mm film SLRs on the market at the same time, only one had it... the most expensive, top of the line model.

Another thing, I much prefer modular accessories - whenever possible - as opposed to "just stickin' it in there". I'd rather have an option to add an ST-E2 module, than built-in wireless flash control (in a crippled version, from what I read). I'd rather see a GPS/Geotagging device that clips on, than it be built in. Etc.

Every time you add complexity, you have more to wade through when using the camera... and added things that can break to require a trip to the service dept. When you use your cameras to make a living, you don't want less essential features that might be better and easily added in a modular way.

[michael.luczkow]

something my S90 has that my 5D doesn't and I REALLY like...

timer settings that can adjust the delay from 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10+ seconds etc.... AND ALSO TAKE MULTIPLE SHOTS!!!

I love being able to set my camera timer on 10 seconds and have it take 5 pictures so I don't have to go run back and forth 5 times in a group self portrait....

[fotoworx]

150,000 shutter.... ala 7D.




The 5DMKII is rated at 150,000......isn't it?

[liupublic]

Wifi connection for remote control shooting and live view shooting would be cool. Run the remote shooting app on laptop or any smart phone. It can be quite handy for macro shot if you don't want to get too close to that snake/bug/lion.

Definitely RF wireless flash control. Infrared just does not cut it anymore. Probably put in a wifi as well so Canon can sell more modules like a wifi adapter/stand for connecting to Canon Speedlite flash. Maybe even add into the flash itself. Not sure how to deal with professional settting though when there are 100 camera next to year.

N-band Wifi can also make downloading large files easy. Imagine a 1-button downloading. Keep a 1TB 3.5 external HD in the car or backpack. Press a button. 1 min later. All done.

GPS encoding should be standard too. It's not too expensive to implement.

[scpictaker]

Basically the 7D, just full frame!!

[AllenF]

Well Canon Rumors has got a tasty bit of gossip.

3D or possibly 5DmkIII may have eye controlled AF points.I want this sooo bad but IT MUST WORK WELL.

7D features, less the FPS, perhaps 5 FPS would be fine.

Same MP chip but without the pattern noise and true 14 Bit Dynamic Range. Now it is 12 Bit but it is mislabeled as 14 Bit( Canon Hype).

Must be fully weather sealed as this is a portrait/landscape use body and will see weather often.

100% VF

VF shutter instead of that lame plastic cover that really sucks.

Canon Please dump the direct print button and give us another FULLY programmable one instead and make the M function button also fully programmable. Make an mirror lock up option available for one or better both of these buttons.

Dedicated grips for still and movies would be better. This body is being sold to a lot of video only folks. Canon needs to help them work their magic better. The video grip would have balanced, powered, audio out of the bottom of the grip to reduce cable stress. Also full resolution hdmi for a HD monitor.

One more stop of ISO noise improvement. Excellent, fast, low light AF is a must as this body excels in low light. Make the center AF point F 8 sensitive like the 1D bodies.

Move the power switch ala 7D.

Add more C F on the dial and remove the picture styles to the menu pages. Instead of the current 3 CF choices give us 6 or 8. Make the dial locking too.

5 or possibly 7 stops EV for HDR landscapes.

As for price leave it as it is, no increase to existing Canon users in a loyalty program. Charge a bit more for the video grip as these folks seem to be willing to pay more for the right stuff. ;)

Lastly, add factory space for increased production. Because you still will have more demand then product.

[puggle]

Higher ISO performance
Low noise at extreme high ISO's
Improved AF system - At least the same or better than the new the 7D or 1DMKIV
6 FPS speed
Full weather sealing
2 CF card slots, or 1 CF and 1 SD card slot, and able to write to both simultaneously.
A mirror lock-up button
A sensor that NEVER needs to be cleaned (one can wish, can't one?)

And, offer two 5D models: one that can record 1080P video, and one without. The one without can be offered at a lower cost, for those photographers who don't want it !!!

[RWatkins]

Higher ISO performance
Low noise at extreme high ISO's
Improved AF system - At least the same or better than the new the 7D or 1DMKIV
6 FPS speed
Full weather sealing
2 CF card slots, or 1 CF and 1 SD card slot, and able to write to both simultaneously.
A mirror lock-up button
A sensor that NEVER needs to be cleaned (one can wish, can't one?)

And, offer two 5D models: one that can record 1080P video, and one without. The one without can be offered at a lower cost, for those photographers who don't want it !!!


Exactly what you take out that is 'video specific'? Also, what is the projected cost savings?

I don't think its enough to make up the extra cost associated with multiple SKU's that this would require.

[airfrogusmc]

Higher ISO performance
Low noise at extreme high ISO's
Improved AF system - At least the same or better than the new the 7D or 1DMKIV
6 FPS speed
Full weather sealing
2 CF card slots, or 1 CF and 1 SD card slot, and able to write to both simultaneously.
A mirror lock-up button
A sensor that NEVER needs to be cleaned (one can wish, can't one?)

And, offer two 5D models: one that can record 1080P video, and one without. The one without can be offered at a lower cost, for those photographers who don't want it !!!

I agree dump the video and offer the one without cheaper and I could care less about more FPS.

[MDJAK]

A sensor that never needs to be cleaned already exists. Mine. So it's got schmutz and dust and dirt on it? So, what? ;)

me

[vpnd]

to have full frame kick butt af, 8 fps, coffee maker, and all the things everyone above wants would put the price point right around 17,000.:cool: Would make the 1dsmk4 or d3x etc look like a bargain.

[Dooms_day]

Same number of pixels, less noise, more fps, better AF

[kevindar]

1. More dynamic range
2. More dynamic range
3. More dynamic range
4. Better autofocus.
thats all I want. I would like to have the d3x 13 stop dynamic range at iso 100, with much less noise when I push the shadows. the high iso noise is already pretty good to me, since I find at iso 6400, f 1.4, 1/100 second, focusing becomes the big issue for me.
better autofocus would be really nice for the off center points. Its not just the matter of accuracy, but the speed of autofocus is abysmal with the non center points.

[gnoW]

I think we should stop complaining about the 5D C/MarkII
and if we want all these awesome features we should just buy a 1Ds MkIV :)

[ckckevin]

I'd like a better flash sync speed. What about an electronic shutter for any speed above the mechanical shutter sync speed. So, you could sync up to 1/8000 a second. That would open the door to some creative lighting.

Heck, they could implement this in the current 5dmkii. It's only a firmware upgrade and digicams can even do this.

Isn't the "HSS" for? If it can syn faster than 1/1000 sec with the same power output, i believe they need a huge flash for it..

[pingflood]

This camera is already available; it's called the 1Ds Mark III.

Yes, and the video on the 1Ds III is AWESOME.

[kevindar]

I think we should stop complaining about the 5D C/MarkII
and if we want all these awesome features we should just buy a 1Ds MkIV :)
Not complaining. I think it is important to voice the features which are important to us. I was perfectly happy with my 5D. Am I glad that 5d2 has live view, microfocus adjustment, video, yes. Would I really like to have more dynamic range? absolutely. When shooting landscape, it makes my life a lot easier. would better autofocus for non center points be a great improvement? yes. I also shoot a lot of portraits, and end up doing a lot of center compositions with cropping b/c the non center points are not very good, and shooting many of my lenses wide open, gives me very little out of focus margin which happens by recomposition, or if the subject moves slightly during recomposition.

[airfrogusmc]

1. More dynamic range
2. More dynamic range
3. More dynamic range
4. Better autofocus.
thats all I want. I would like to have the d3x 13 stop dynamic range at iso 100, with much less noise when I push the shadows. the high iso noise is already pretty good to me, since I find at iso 6400, f 1.4, 1/100 second, focusing becomes the big issue for me.
better autofocus would be really nice for the off center points. Its not just the matter of accuracy, but the speed of autofocus is abysmal with the non center points.

Yes!! All of this too!!!

[photozone]

..Record full HD video at 60fps.. or better yet.. at 120 fps.

[Village_Idiot]

I agree dump the video and offer the one without cheaper and I could care less about more FPS.

I think it would cost more to setup two production lines to produce two separate cameras with the only difference being a video mode.

[SE Smith Jr]

In no particular order...

1) 7D+ AF
2) GPS
3) 100% Viewfinder
4) Nix video
5) USB 3.0

[Tom W]

You'll get 7D-like AF
No 100% viewfinder, but possibly larger than the present one. Even the 1Ds doesn't have a 100% viewfinder.
Video will stay
USB 3.0 possible
I don't expect GPS, though Canon may come out with an adapter
Expect cleaner images with minimal banding
New metering (same as 7D and 60D)

[SE Smith Jr]

Just my top 5 wish list ;)

[puggle]

Here's my wish list:

1) Best image quality and low noise, high ISO of any camera in it's class
2) Complete external flash control from pop-up flash, as in 7D
3) SD and CF card slots
4) Advanced metering, as in 7D
5) In camera HDR

[sunking39]

.1 less pimexapixel.
.A LED flash like those led flashes celphones use. Just for special -must take the shot, cause i just saw an alien in the forest- shots, in a way that does not sacifice build quality.
.Better AF.


In this day and age every camera should have a flash, i'ts inexcusable.

[mikeassk]

I just want a 7-9FPS full frame canon, i dont think thats undoable. do it at 14mp and a 7D style build...

[mikeassk]

You'll get 7D-like AF
No 100% viewfinder, but possibly larger than the present one. Even the 1Ds doesn't have a 100% viewfinder.
Video will stay
USB 3.0 possible
I don't expect GPS, though Canon may come out with an adapter
Expect cleaner images with minimal banding
New metering (same as 7D and 60D)

All 1D's have a 100% viewfinder, where are you basing you info?

[Tom W]

Oops - I was thinking of magnification, not coverage. My mistake.

The 1Ds3 has 100% coverage, but a magnification of 0.76X. The 7D has 100% coverage and magnification of 1.0X.

[Doostur]

All I want is a full frame 8-10 FPS with a better AF. Anything else is a plus.

[HyperYagami]

I just want a 7-9FPS full frame canon, i dont think thats undoable. do it at 14mp and a 7D style build...

i.e., absolutely no advantage over what Nikon has been doing, which make absolutely no sense from business pt of view.

[HyperYagami]

All I want is a full frame 8-10 FPS with a better AF. Anything else is a plus.

no way unless they fold the 1D+1DS lines into 1.

[Omaru]

All I want is a full frame 8-10 FPS with a better AF. Anything else is a plus.

Nikon says hi.

[RUfloresphoto]

All I want is a full frame 8-10 FPS with a better AF. Anything else is a plus.

I agree. :)

[kimboy]

I don't know if this was mentioned here, but I'd like a new shutter sound. No more 'clunking' of the mirror.

[borism]

I would love to have a 5D2 or better image censor with a 7D AF system and a popup flash with wireless commander for about 2500$

[Doostur]

Nikon says hi.

But their lenses are hiding :lol: We'll see if who is saying hi in a few months !

[zyndurai]

I don't understand why people are against video. THere's a whole market out there for videographers using 5Dm2/7D for video. It's not going to happen, video is here to stay

In no particular order...

1) 7D+ AF
2) GPS
3) 100% Viewfinder
4) Nix video
5) USB 3.0

[borism]

I agree that video is here to stay, is acttually the future of wedding photography, and videographers that are starting and ot dont have the resources to purchase more Pro oriented video cameras.

Removing video is a desperate claim to keep prices down from users that dont really need video, that is not going to fly..
I dont see that happening anytime soon as video is not really a feature that makes the camera that more expensive, but increases the value of the camera instead IMO

[Sp1207]

GPS would make it an instant buy for me.

Also, a larger buffer would be nice. 4GB of DDR3 is 40$ on newegg. Chips (instead of prefabbed ram sticks) in bulk would be roughly half that. Why can't canon spend 20$ (in a 2.5K+ camera) on a 4GB buffer and make sports shooting/video limitless.

[versedmb]

I would love to have a 5D2 or better image censor with a 7D AF system and a popup flash with wireless commander for about 2500$

Please!!!

Although I'll take mine with an image sensor . ;)