Nikon D3S is out, so Canon??

[ddong]

Nikon D3s is out, wonder if Canon has something out recently??

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0910/09101403NikonD3shandson.asp

[Collin85]

Possible 1D Mark IV announcement in 5 days, that's the popular rumour around right now.

[K6AZ]

How about putting the same AF in the 1D/5D as Nikon does with the D3/D700/D300?

[mikekelley]

My god that thing is HIDEOUS

[Ali-Azri]

My god that thing is HIDEOUS

LMFAO, you make my day !!!! :lol:

[mikekelley]

Though 12mp Full frame does look enticing.

[Mastamarek]

1D MK IV is gonna dominate this thing.

[justaf IREMAN]

My god that thing is HIDEOUS

I have to agree here, it does have some nice features though.

[nphsbuckeye]

I'm extremely surprised/disappointed that it only has 720p, without 50+FPS. I wouldn't be surprised if the Mark IVs have 60p for 1080.

[Collin85]

My god that thing is HIDEOUS

And Noink users probably feel the same way about Canon's professional bodies.

Let's not get carried away with the fanboy bashing. I'm sure the high-ISO performance/AF on that thing is fantastic, and that's what it's mainly about.

[nphsbuckeye]

And Noink users probably feel the same way about Canon's professional bodies.

Let's not get carried away with the fanboy bashing. I'm sure the high-ISO performance/AF on that thing is fantastic, and that's what it's mainly about.
Italian design is a hit or miss for me; Ferrari's a hit, most other stuff a miss.

[apersson850]

Italy produces an enormous amount of good machinery and industrial components, actually.

[nphsbuckeye]

Italy produces an enormous amount of good machinery and industrial components, actually.
I'm talking about aesthetics. :lol:

As in, some products look beautiful, others look butt ugly. I'm sure Lamborghinis are nice, but I like the look of Ferraris a lot more. :cool:

[Waldemar Sikorski]

Gizmodo (http://gizmodo.com/5381043/nikon-d3s-dslr-has-night-vision-with-102400-iso-yes-you-read-that-right) claims it's a 1.2 crop. Can anyone confirm?

[nphsbuckeye]

Gizmodo (http://gizmodo.com/5381043/nikon-d3s-dslr-has-night-vision-with-102400-iso-yes-you-read-that-right) claims it's a 1.2 crop. Can anyone confirm?
DPreview has the sensor size as 36 x 24mm, or FF. So no, it's not a crop.

[speedline_fc]

Gizmodo (http://gizmodo.com/5381043/nikon-d3s-dslr-has-night-vision-with-102400-iso-yes-you-read-that-right) claims it's a 1.2 crop. Can anyone confirm?

It has a 1.0x (FF) and 1.5x crop mode.. and I guess they introduced a new 1.2x crop mode in this body

http://a.img-dpreview.com/news/0910/nikond3s/screen_crop.jpg

from http://www.dpreview.com/news/0910/09101403NikonD3shandson.asp

[K6AZ]

That's interesting, what's the purpose of 1.2x?

[timnosenzo]

That's interesting, what's the purpose of 1.2x?

Makes it about the same "crop factor" and megapixel count as a Canon 1D MKIIN.

[Tumeg]

That's interesting, what's the purpose of 1.2x?

Looking at Nikon, they usually have a "cop mode" to increase FPS...
Like the D3, I don't believe you can achieve 11 fps at FF, it needs to be on "crop mode"

[Collin85]

It's a great camera, i don't think it's well known for HIGH ISO quality though.

Well yes, because it was just announced. :lol:

[michael_]

i like it, having used a d3 last year for 10 days and a d700 this year on and off occasionally i really like the ergs of nikon, i just dont like the double button feature like the 1d2n, i think that can limit you in certain situations but overall i think nikon is great, the screen on the d700 is amazing, having said that i still prefer the images the canon produces

[radiohead]

It's a great camera, i don't think it's well known for HIGH ISO quality though.

?

I don't follow.

[ddong]

i like it, having used a d3 last year for 10 days and a d700 this year on and off occasionally i really like the ergs of nikon, i just dont like the double button feature like the 1d2n, i think that can limit you in certain situations but overall i think nikon is great, the screen on the d700 is amazing, having said that i still prefer the images the canon produces

I agree with you on the build quality part of Nikon bodies. IQ, well, I think D700 provides clean images at high ISO than 5D MII does. I almost will switch to Nikon after I tried D700 for 5 days, but got 5D MII instead somehow...

[Rainyday]

And Noink users probably feel the same way about Canon's professional bodies.

Let's not get carried away with the fanboy bashing. I'm sure the high-ISO performance/AF on that thing is fantastic, and that's what it's mainly about.

I think it's hideous, too. I also think the new Leica X1 is so ugly, it's embarrassing. I'm not bashing the brands, just would like to be proud of the appearance of my tools. I have no doubt the new Noink is a terrific camera and a real challenge to Canon, but it's looks alone would prevent me from purchasing one.

[TheHoff]

My god that thing is HIDEOUS

The last good looking body they made:

http://imaging.nikon.com/products/imaging/technology/d-archives/history-f3/img/307a.jpg

[Stealthy Ninja]

Darn noinks choosing function over aesthetics. Shame on them.

Haven't they taken notice of Sony yet?!

:lol:

[John E]

I wish Canon would start taking the lead again instead of always playing catch-up.

[radiohead]

Why does it matter though. Both brands make awesome kit.

[Canonswhitelensesrule]

The last good looking body they made:

http://imaging.nikon.com/products/imaging/technology/d-archives/history-f3/img/307a.jpg
That was a good looking camera/motordrive combo! Had lots of fun with that. Loved the "H" type full microprism focusing screen that was available for it.

[monokrome]

Looking at Nikon, they usually have a "cop mode" to increase FPS...
Like the D3, I don't believe you can achieve 11 fps at FF, it needs to be on "crop mode"
Yes, 11fps at DX, 9 fps FF

[Stealthy Ninja]

Why does it matter though. Both brands make awesome kit.

Too Right. I FINALLY agree with a noink. :p

Seriously, both companies are the top of the heap. I can take bad photos with both I'm sure.

:lol:

[Trey T]

haven't we established that nikon is no longer a competitor anymore?

[AdamJL]

That's interesting, what's the purpose of 1.2x?

Most likely to tempt more Canon users to Nikon. The 1.2 is pretty close to 1.3

If that's true, then that's pretty lame.
Thom Hogan (http://www.bythom.com/) says the same thing.

[AdamJL]

haven't we established that nikon is no longer a competitor anymore?

Have we? :confused:??????

[radiohead]

haven't we established that nikon is no longer a competitor anymore?

Really?

When did that happen.

[whiteflyer]

Who'll care about the D3S after canon release it first digital Medium Format camera in 4 days ;)

[Fidelity]

I think most Nikon users are decidedly underwhelmed by how moderate the improvements to the D3 were. They took a two year old body, added 720p video and improved the ISO (when that wasn't a failing of the D3). But, the main complaint (only 12.1 MP) was left unchanged. And this is on the eve of an impending new 1D that promises to be a major new release.

[Thalagyrt]

I think most Nikon users are decidedly underwhelmed by how moderate the improvements to the D3 were. They took a two year old body, added 720p video and improved the ISO (when that wasn't a failing of the D3). But, the main complaint (only 12.1 MP) was left unchanged. And this is on the eve of an impending new 1D that promises to be a major new release.

Well, yeah. I'm seeing this as more of a "hey, lookit, my second D3 will be cheaper than I had budgeted for" type release. There's nothing this does that I really care about that my D3 doesn't already do. :lol:

[radiohead]

I don't know any fellow D3 users that want more than 12MP. The D3x is there for those wanting resolution.

[J_TULLAR]

I dont know...but I still see a sea of white L lenses at baseball/football/basketball/F1 events. I see maybe one to two nikonians.

[TheHoff]

Nikon D3s ISO 3200 / 6400 / 12800 samples including real-world at a wedding reception by a world-class photographer:

http://www.studioimpressionsphotography.com/blog/

(wow those high ISO jpgs look amazing)

[AdamJL]

I think most Nikon users are decidedly underwhelmed by how moderate the improvements to the D3 were. They took a two year old body, added 720p video and improved the ISO (when that wasn't a failing of the D3). But, the main complaint (only 12.1 MP) was left unchanged. And this is on the eve of an impending new 1D that promises to be a major new release.

I think Nikonians are pretty happy about the 12mp sensor. I don't think current D3 owners will be racing out to replace their current cameras, but it might tempt a few D300/700 owners to step up.
From what I've been reading on Nikon forums though, the rest of the spec is indeed being perceived a underwhelming.
But then, that's what Nikon does with it's "S" models.

[Fidelity]

I don't know any fellow D3 users that want more than 12MP. The D3x is there for those wanting resolution.

I think the desire for the D3s level body is to maintain the frame rate and ISO sensitivity of the D3 while improving the resolution at least a little for a bit better cropability. The D3x gets you the rez, but slows you down more than you want for sports or wildlife. But, I'm sure the improvements that are there will be appreciated, and the D4 will likley get more rez next year.

[HappySnapper90]

How about putting the same AF in the 1D/5D as Nikon does with the D3/D700/D300?
Because the 5D line isn't the same as the nikon d700. The Canon 3D would be a camera to get the 1-series AF. And as I've read elsewhere, nikon probably has less R&D budget to design different AF systems so they re-use AF systems from the d3 in the d300, d700, and d3x.
Most likely to tempt more Canon users to Nikon. The 1.2 is pretty close to 1.3

And I'm sure you know Canon's 1D sensor is really 1.25x, right? People say 1.3 for brevity I guess. :rolleyes:

[Fidelity]

And I'm sure you know Canon's 1D sensor is really 1.25x, right? People say 1.3 for brevity I guess. :rolleyes:

The 1D Mark II and 1D Mark IIN are 1.25x. The 1D Mark III is 1.28x.

[AdamJL]

And I'm sure you know Canon's 1D sensor is really 1.25x, right? People say 1.3 for brevity I guess. :rolleyes:

Well then it's even closer! :D

[monokrome]

I think most Nikon users are decidedly underwhelmed by how moderate the improvements to the D3 were. They took a two year old body, added 720p video and improved the ISO (when that wasn't a failing of the D3). But, the main complaint (only 12.1 MP) was left unchanged. And this is on the eve of an impending new 1D that promises to be a major new release.

Main complaint, I believe you are wrong. The D3s was tweaked as to what Nikon NPS told them. The 12mp is just fine. It's not about MP's, it's about IQ.

[KenjiS]

And Noink users probably feel the same way about Canon's professional bodies.


Indeed, though i fall in the middle

I find the Nikon F3 to be one of the best looking cameras ever made, I also have a soft spot for the F4...

The F5 doesn't float my boat, the F100 did

For modern cameras, I prefer the look of the xxD to the D90, and I prefer the 7D to the D300s, I personally feel Nikon's new look is too "cluttered" I guess...it looks too film-era to be a digital SLR to me...

I love the look of the Nikon tele lenses, especially the 70-200 VR and 300 f/2.8 VR [Sorry i have a thing for black] but the shorter Canons and the Canon primes float my boat more, personally i find the 24 f/1.4L II and the 85mm f/1.2L to be incredibly sexy, and I think Canon's 24-70 f/2.8L is better looking...but Nikon's 14-24 is a thing of beauty as well...

Ergonomics, I really and honestly am a switch..i can shoot either equally well, And I can even shoot Sony easily with a few seconds of transition...

[Trey T]

Just remember my post from now on.
Have we? :confused:??????

[radiohead]

Just remember my post from now on.

So you've decided that Nikon are no longer a competitor to Canon, despite the 2 of them pretty much carving up the DSLR market between them.

Just so we're clear, that's what you're saying?