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towersinthesky
16th of October 2009 (Fri), 12:59
So.. Basically I'm really into fashion type photography and love the real clean stuff you get in magazines with alot of retouching. Sadly as everyone knows the majority of girls in such magazines tend to be fairly skinny and poses are pretty much never ending.

My girlfriend is always happy to help me out for me to get practice and the idea I want to do is something I really want to go all out on... I basically want her in heels and tights with fairly exagerated big hair in a scene I am yet to pick and although she has said she would do it topless I would rather it was more based on the scene she is in and wearing what she will be wearing. Her main concern is she thinks shes fat, her clothes range from size 10-12 and all she is worried about is being limited to what she can do as shes worried she will look more fat doing what alot of models do in such magazines. I just want to find out if anyone knows the best way to go about such a shoot. I want to keep it more about what shes wearing and more based on a real clean crisp looking image rather then someone trying to find folds of skin etc and I also want her to be happy with the final image. Ofcourse I will be retouching the shots and spending alot of time doing so but I also want it to be true to life to a certain level.

Any advice is really appreciated. Sorry about my terrible typing I don't really know how to explain quite the situation.

Fabian9931
17th of October 2009 (Sat), 15:11
great topic, i would love to know myself also.

NickP
20th of October 2009 (Tue), 16:54
Not 100% sure of what you are going for BUT with larger body types I find the posing is paramount.
It's all light and shadow as we know but soft light and higher key can also be great ways of accentuating certain body types.
Angle is another key (although am less certain with your reference to clothing).
I shoot many Boudoir sessions a month and many women are most certainly NOT waif model types.
Laying on bed and shooting from the bed horizon perspective is usually quite flattering.
Putting in front of a window (with lace curtain) and using window as high-key softbox works well also with the soft light wrapping the body and flattering figure.
Turning hips opposite to torso often gives more perception of waist.
Watch "neck folds" and try to bend head/neck to allow flowing line rather than skin creases.
Watch arms, get them positioned such that extra skin is masked by either elavating them (to cradle head/play with hair) or otherwise give them a job (i.e. not hanging at wait).
be creative with YOUR shooting position, larger body types often shoot better with angles not normally used, sometimes shooting down somewhat or from a more oblique angle (not shooting UP!).
Check modelling sites for 12+ models, they do exist (one is in UK for a google search).
good luck.

p.s.
this is NOT a small lady (beautiful yes but ALL woman);

http://www.draigphotography.com/photos/681877663_xQNoL-L.jpg

http://www.draigphotography.com/photos/581668165_ccibF-L-1.jpg

hawk911
21st of October 2009 (Wed), 09:14
Nick, good advice and nice examples. Maybe add that cropping in a bit closer than you might ordinarily could help too, since you can't see the full body or body parts when you do that- like Nick's #1 image.

ed.
26th of October 2009 (Mon), 21:00
Great shots there NickP!

BeritOlam
2nd of November 2009 (Mon), 21:22
Damn, if that girl is "fat", Nick....then we need more "fat" models!!! :D :D :D :D

Fabian9931
2nd of November 2009 (Mon), 22:14
i love these girls.... !

towersinthesky
4th of November 2009 (Wed), 17:01
Thanks for the reply and advice, I'm yet to do/try the shoot due to lack of freetime but will hopefully be able to soon. I am gonna try and work on the basis of advice you have given. Great photos and thanks for the help!

Hedley
12th of November 2009 (Thu), 04:59
Damn, if that girl is "fat", Nick....then we need more "fat" models!!! :D :D :D :D

quite so!
BTW, size 10-12? your girlfriend ain't fat !

TMCCaptured
12th of November 2009 (Thu), 05:03
keen to learn...subscribing

towersinthesky
13th of November 2009 (Fri), 20:14
quite so!
BTW, size 10-12? your girlfriend ain't fat !

its not me that thinks it unfortunately, she see's what most people see in magazines etc and thinks thats the norm.

hawk911
16th of November 2009 (Mon), 09:25
I hear ya. My wife is the same way. She thinks cuz she's not 100 lbs she's not attractive.

Jeff Colburn
21st of November 2009 (Sat), 00:07
Plus size models are becoming more and more popular in modeling and magazines. You could always start out putting her pictures in a magazine catering to plus size, then see where things go from there. Personally, I believe women are supposed to have curves.

Have Fun,
Jeff

locky
21st of November 2009 (Sat), 19:19
Towersinthesky, Any luck yet with the pictures? Would like to know of sites you found that were helpful.

towersinthesky
22nd of November 2009 (Sun), 16:48
Towersinthesky, Any luck yet with the pictures? Would like to know of sites you found that were helpful.

Been trying my best to get out to do them. Struggling at the minute with the location I want to use and trying to get a day off with my girlfriend as we seem to be working alternate days so its hard to get a day together. Even worse now due to the fact its dark by 5pm!

I have been basically trauling through Flickr to get inspiration. There is ALOT of groups that I have noticed that are made for 'model poses' and although alot are not what I am looking for alot are a good basis to work with. As soon as I take some shots I will be posting them here.

glowangel
1st of December 2009 (Tue), 13:29
This is the thread I've been looking for! But a size 10-12 is not a curvy girl!!!! I've been looking online for poses for plus size models and haven't found anything yet. When I say plus size - I mean size 20-22. If there's any recommendations on where to look - I'd appreciate it greatly.

ssnxp
1st of December 2009 (Tue), 13:44
Helpful! Thanks!

JerelXTI
9th of December 2009 (Wed), 22:06
My wife is a curvy woman. she was a size 22 but now she's down to a size 18. I've been looking for a site that shows you how to pose a plus size model and no luck. I think MM and flickr maybe our best bet. I want to become a photographer that specializes in plus size women in available light. Maybe we should start a thread for curvy and plus size women in photographes? What do you all think?

UK_Tomcat_Fan
10th of December 2009 (Thu), 06:12
Subscribed! thanks for the ideas

kaystewartphoto
10th of December 2009 (Thu), 06:23
I was a size 14 when these shots were taken - and i dnt reckon i look fat

glowangel
10th of December 2009 (Thu), 11:26
kskitt - i like those pictures, love the second one the best.

JerelXTI
10th of December 2009 (Thu), 18:39
Here's some advice I found on the net.

Posing Tips for Plus-Size Models:

Rest most of your weight on one foot or the other instead of evenly on both feet. Doing so makes poses look less artificial and gives a slight slimming effect in most positions.

When sitting or reclining, roll one hip up slightly from the resting surface so that most of your weight is on the back of one thigh or the other instead of evenly on both thighs. This gives a slight slimming effect and makes the pose look less artificial.

Avoid having your arms hanging flat against your sides. Instead, bend your arms slightly, place your hands on your hips, or try other poses that involve alternate placements of the arms.

Keep your chin up to avoid chin wrinkles or double chins.
Posing Tips For Emphasizing Cleavage:

Lean forward.
Bring arms together at the waist.
Clasp hands together below the waist, keeping arms straight at the elbows.
Cross arms.
Posing Tips for Minimizing Cleavage:

Lean backward.
Slouch.
Keep arms apart.
Raise arms above shoulders or above head.

I hope this will help.

DigitalSpecialist
10th of December 2009 (Thu), 19:39
KsKitt, forgive me but in the professional modeling world size 14 is plus size. Ironic isn't it?

My usual clients are size 14 up to 32, and I rarely see a petite client in my studio connections. Posing a Curvy client isn't any different from posing a petite client. You just take a typical(normal) pose, and alterate it to compliment the curvier clientele you are working with! Now some people may argue that last statement, but it is basically true. By complimenting, I mean repositioning legs, arms, turning heads, and torsos, raising faces, or chins.

As for PP a BBP I do normal skin retouching(smoothing), etc. Your clients know they are BBP, so they don't expect to have chins removed, or to appear with six pack abs. Touch up skin, add sparkle to their eyes, whiten teeth.

JerelXTI
10th of December 2009 (Thu), 22:21
KsKitt, forgive me but in the professional modeling world size 14 is plus size. Ironic isn't it?

My usual clients are size 14 up to 32, and I rarely see a petite client in my studio connections. Posing a Curvy client isn't any different from posing a petite client. You just take a typical(normal) pose, and alterate it to compliment the curvier clientele you are working with! Now some people may argue that last statement, but it is basically true. By complimenting, I mean repositioning legs, arms, turning heads, and torsos, raising faces, or chins.

As for PP a BBP I do normal skin retouching(smoothing), etc. Your clients know they are BBP, so they don't expect to have chins removed, or to appear with six pack abs. Touch up skin, add sparkle to their eyes, whiten teeth.

Jim you always give good and sound advice. I will apply your advice and teaching to my photoshoot tonight with the wife.

kaystewartphoto
11th of December 2009 (Fri), 04:13
KsKitt, forgive me but in the professional modeling world size 14 is plus size. Ironic isn't it?

Yeah, im down to a size 10 now but that is not down to me trying to loose the weight, just happened. I did do a couple of photoshoots earlier this year but it never got me anywhere, so ive kinda given up and gunna stay the other side of the camera, and just do the occasional pose for my other half

JerelXTI
13th of December 2009 (Sun), 17:26
Well I started a thread in the G&N section here's the link:


http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=795376