What will the 1Ds Mark IV specs be?

[Canonswhitelensesrule]

May as well start the rumours. Perhaps these were meant to be specs of the 1Ds Mark IV, and NOT of the 1D Mark IV...

From Fred Miranda forums:

Breaking News:

Specification have now been confirmed here in Tokyo, the camera will be named the 1D Mark IV and the specs are as follows:

- 21.1 Megapixels
- Full Frame with 1.3 Crop Mode
- 8 FPS in Full Frame Mode
- 12 FPS in 1.3 Crop Mode
- Dual Digic IV Processors
- Native ISO 25,600
- Boost Mode ISO upto 102,400
- 45 AF Points - 39 Cross
- 63 Zone Metering
- 1080p @ 24-60 fps
- 720p @ 120 fps
- S-RAW Video
- HDMI HD video output
- 3" Fold & Tilt LCD Screen
- Self Cleaning Sensor

The actual body ergonomics haven't changed a great deal, with the biggest difference being the new Fold & Tilt LCD and the appearance of large hot keys beside the screen, that look slightly like the ones on Phase One Digital Backs.

There will also be three accessories at launch:
1. VDSLR Mount System
2. XLR Pro Audio Module
3. 1TB Flash Recording Module

The XLR Pro Audio Module and 1TB Flash Recording Modules are made to connect into the VDSLR Mount System to convert the camera into a fully fledged Video device, changing the form factor into one that Filmmakers are more familiar with.

Hey, the rumours have to start somewhere.

Now...GO!!:lol:

[Mastamarek]

no way canon is staying with the same 21mpx FF sensor. No way!! welcome to mpx war!!

[Canonswhitelensesrule]

Just curious, as to how many MP would you like the 1Ds Mark IV to have, or how many do you think it will have?

I really couldn't careless, as the 1Ds series has never been that attractive to me. (Doesn't have a fast enough FPS rate, esp for the price).

However, if Canon would create a camera which features both a Full Frame sensor, AND a 1.3x crop sensor combined, for a reasonable price, and a 1.3x sensor frame rate of 10-12 FPS, I might take a second look.

If that were the case, perhaps something along the lines of 24-28 MP might be nice.

[Collin85]

Just curious, as to how many MP would you like the 1Ds Mark IV to have, or how many do you think it will have?

I really couldn't careless, as the 1Ds series has never been that attractive to me. (Doesn't have a fast enough FPS rate, esp for the price).

However, if Canon would create a camera which features both a Full Frame sensor, AND a 1.3x crop sensor combined, for a reasonable price, and a 1.3x sensor frame rate of 10-12 FPS, I might take a second look.

If that were the case, perhaps something along the lines of 24-28 MP might be nice.

I wouldn't be surprised if Canon gave the 1Ds IV 30MP.

[eror11]

I think it won't be under 30, and it might go as high as 50

[RichD]

The video specs are interesting but seem more suitable for a video only camera rather than on a combo device. Most people that would want the storage/xlr wouldn't be interested in the photo side so it would seem to make more sense to build it in a more normal video format and get rid of the mirror etc.

It just seems too different from the 1D to be the 1Ds.

[avidstarr]

50mp... downloading is gonna take forverz!

[Collin85]

I doubt it would be over 38MP. The pixel density would be less than the 50D and the high-ISO performance would be unacceptably close to APS-C. With the recent advancements in sensor technology, I'd say more likely 30-35MP.

[Geoffery]

Should be 36MP since the 1Ds-series is always double (or more) the MP over the high-speed 1D-series.

Exception was original 1Ds, which was 11.1MP vs 4.15MP for the first 1D model.

EOS-1D Mark II/II N = 8.2MP & EOS-1Ds Mark II = 16.7MP
EOS-1D Mark III = 10.1MP & EOS-1Ds Mark III = 21.1MP
EOS-1D Mark IV = 16.1MP & EOS-1Ds Mark IV = ...MP???

BTW, Canon Inc already has a 50MP APS-H sensor over the past 2 years as a showcase of its CMOS expertise. So a full-frame version above 40-60MP won't be a surprise to me.

[smorter]

100 megapixels would be awesome

[hiddengamer7]

it will have eleventy billion megapixels

[J_TULLAR]

as much as hubble :D

[timnosenzo]

I think 16MP would be fine... on a FF sensor.

[Lowner]

"Should be 36MP".

Around the 36 MP would be my guess as well. I will be seriously interested at that level but much depends on what other junk they package or don't package with it.

At the price, it will have to be my last camera. So I will be VERY critical of features I will never want.

[foxesamu]

This says it will be called "1D Mark IV..."

Could be a typo but it could also be junk. I would be SHOCKED if Canon kept the 21MP sensor in favor of frame rate and ISO performance. I'm expecting 30MP+.

[jdizzle]

I'm also waiting for the 1Ds MK IV. It definitely has to beat the current Nikon D3X in megapixles. I predict somewhere around 30 megapixels. I'm mostly landscape and I don't shoot lowllight very often. Plus, I don't need fps. I would say the ISO expandability would be around the current 5D MK II.

[krepta]

as much as hubble :DImagine the resolving power of Hubble on a DSLR... drool. :D

[Trainboy]

30-36 is what it'll probably have. 16 or 18 would be nice for good ISO performance.

[danielyamseng]

foxesamu, yeah agree with you.I think it should be at least >26mp++ with similiar 1d mark IV features

[Mastamarek]

So the1d MK IV is out. The photo community is torn. Some people like it, some don't. Well, canon still has one chance to destroy the world and bring every Nikon fans to their knees. Its the 1ds MK IV. What do you think, the 1ds specs are gonna be? post em up folks.

Here is my prediction:

1Ds MK IV

Price: since 1Ds is usually 2x $$ of 1D, the 1Ds should cost about $10.000

34mpx FF sensor
8fps
1080P 24/25/30/60 fps
720P 24/25/30/60/120 fps
45 Point AF – 39 cross
ISO 100 - 12800 (ISO 50 - 102,400 in Boost mode)
self cleaning sensor
100% Viewfinder
3″ LCD
63 zone metering


What do you think the 1Ds will look like?

take it easy

[Cyrix_2k]

Who else would rather have a lower resolution sensor with amazing high iso performance & fast burst capability?

I'll go ahead and guess 26 mp for the sensor.

[mikekelley]

I see this being 30mp easily.
It will be a sick camera regardless.

full frame is where it's at!

[Mastamarek]

since canon updates the 1D series once in 3 years, they absolutely can not screw the 1Ds up. I mean that would be the total failure of canon and probably bankruptcy. 1Ds has to be a miracle camera otherwise I don't see great future for canon. If all they do is give the camera a $10.000 price tag, give it 26mpx sensor and only go 6fps, then I really dont think any 1ds III owner will update.

[CyberDyneSystems]

Moved to Rumors and Predicitions, and merged with the other two thread on the same subject started in the last two days.

In the future, please remember that the EOS forum is for the discussion of existing cameras only.

Thank you for understanding.

[frankchn]

34mpx FF sensor
8fps

That implies a throughput of 272 megapixels. Not possible with 2 DIGIC4 cores. You need 3 or 4 cores for that. Sticking to double the megapixels while halving the frame rate formula for the 1Ds, I expect a 32 megapixel sensor with 5 fps (and all the other 1D4 features).

[jdizzle]

I don't think the next 1Ds will be around 10k. I'm thinking along $8500-$9000.

[jdizzle]

since canon updates the 1D series once in 3 years, they absolutely can not screw the 1Ds up. I mean that would be the total failure of canon and probably bankruptcy. 1Ds has to be a miracle camera otherwise I don't see great future for canon. If all they do is give the camera a $10.000 price tag, give it 26mpx sensor and only go 6fps, then I really dont think any 1ds III owner will update.
I doubt Canon would ever go broke. Everyone else purchases the prosumer products and p&s cameras. For those who demand this type of body will pay. I have the 1Ds MK III and I don't have any complaints about it. I for sure am looking forward to the next 1Ds and will definitely be keeping my Ds III as a back up. :)

[Collin85]

I mean that would be the total failure of canon and probably bankruptcy.

Ugh, what?! :lol:

You realise Canon's profits by far come from their consumer range, right? How many 500D's do you think Canon sells for each 1Ds III?

[Lowner]

Thats true, but to sell so many consumer range stuff they need the high ticket, high publicity top of the range pro stuff to be highly visibility. Why do you think Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki etc throw shed loads of money at racing? And pay the likes of Valentino Rossi the amounts they do? It sells the showroom stuff, thats why. Cameras are no different.

Canon could still survive without the dSLR camera market. But knowing how the Japanese hate to loose "face", they would no doubt fight tooth and nail to stay in the fight. Which is good news for all of us.

[Collin85]

Thats true, but to sell so many consumer range stuff they need the high ticket, high publicity top of the range pro stuff to be highly visibility. Why do you think Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki etc throw shed loads of money at racing? And pay the likes of Valentino Rossi the amounts they do? It sells the showroom stuff, thats why. Cameras are no different.

I agree with your example concerning racing, but I don't agree that the situation is the same with cameras. The average P&S-to-Rebel consumer wouldn't even have a clue what "full-frame" meant, let alone care if the 1Ds IV is a better camera than a Nikon D3x.

Infact, to be rigorous, the situation is more complicated than just that. The concept you're alluding to comes down to marketing; that is, big ticket items giving exposure. In that case, since the average consumer wouldn't have a clue what the 1Ds IV was (infact, I'd be willing to be most wouldn't even know what a 50D was), the fact that it exists would appease that logic enough. In the end, a sub-par 1Ds IV isn't going to deter a P&S owner buying a Rebel, provided the Rebel has a good price and a healthy list of features relative to similar models of competing brands.

[Lowner]

Col,

I agree that the general public would not know a 1Ds mk111 from a G11, but the marketing boys and girls don't let a simple thing like that stop them. Market the idea that "Buy a Canon Point and Shoot and you will get images like THIS........" has always worked. Event sponsorships gets the Name lodged in peoples brains. Then they decide they want....................!

Once the idea is planted that Canon = Professional = big white lenses (the bigger the better) = as seen on TV, the money rolls in. But the pro's have to be seen to be using the stuff for it to work, if they don't, it fails.

[jorkata]

Here's another possibility - there might not be a 1Ds4 at all.

RG says in his 1D4 preview (http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-10044-10310) that the 1D4 has the feel of an interim product.

The 1D2n was an interim product with an 18 months life span and there was no 1DsIIn to accompany it.

It is possible that the 1D4 will have the same short life span as the 1D2n and there would be no 1Ds4 at all.

Then, in 18 months or so, Canon will announce the entirely new 1-series - which could be a single model or two models as today.

[Lowner]

jorkata,

I hate you* ! I hope you are wrong, but it does have a grain of sense to it now that the technology is maturing. It makes no sense to double manufacturing costs if it becomes possible to recombine what was after all one camera originally. I'm not sure Canon are close enough to make that feasible any time soon.

* Of course I don't!

Edited to add: Canon needed to get their new "sports" camera out prior to the next Olympics, early enough so the bugs could be worked out and the professionals comfortable with what they had. But I've seen many, many sports 'togs using 1Ds 111 cameras, and would expect Canon to get a version of that out soon for exactly the same reason.

[narlus]

30-36 is what it'll probably have. 16 or 18 would be nice for good ISO performance.
:rolleyes:

because clearly, the 21mp 5D2 struggles w/ high ISO performance...

[jdizzle]

jorkata,

I hate you* ! I hope you are wrong, but it does have a grain of sense to it now that the technology is maturing. It makes no sense to double manufacturing costs if it becomes possible to recombine what was after all one camera originally. I'm not sure Canon are close enough to make that feasible any time soon.

* Of course I don't!

Edited to add: Canon needed to get their new "sports" camera out prior to the next Olympics, early enough so the bugs could be worked out and the professionals comfortable with what they had. But I've seen many, many sports 'togs using 1Ds 111 cameras, and would expect Canon to get a version of that out soon for exactly the same reason.
I don't believe anything that comes out of RG's mouth anymore. :mad:

[frankchn]

since canon updates the 1D series once in 3 years, they absolutely can not screw the 1Ds up. I mean that would be the total failure of canon and probably bankruptcy.

Canon is much more than a DSLR company. Canon derives twice to three times the revenue from its printers, photocopiers and other business machines as compared to its entire camera division (both compact and DSLR).

[jorkata]

I hope you are wrong, but it does have a grain of sense to it ...

Accroding to a post on Northlight Images from Oct 27:

In an interesting comment (thanks) from one of our previous sources, we hear that some people at Canon are saying that the 1Ds3 still has over a year's life, and that Canon will not be releasing a pro camera in 2010.


http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_1DS_MkIV.html

[jdizzle]

Accroding to a post on Northlight Images from Oct 27:

In an interesting comment (thanks) from one of our previous sources, we hear that some people at Canon are saying that the 1Ds3 still has over a year's life, and that Canon will not be releasing a pro camera in 2010.


http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_1DS_MkIV.html

LOL! That's proof in the pudding. :lol:

[Lowner]

In that case I carry on using my 30D for another year. Gives me more time to build up the bank account.

[Karl Johnston]

Quadruple image processors...digic 5

[Lowner]

Julian,

"I don't believe anything that comes out of RG's mouth anymore".

Sorry. You need to explain that for me. Whats Mr Galbraith been saying? I went to his preview of the 1D IV and he seems to be sitting firmly on the fence.

[jdizzle]

Julian,

"I don't believe anything that comes out of RG's mouth anymore".

Sorry. You need to explain that for me. Whats Mr Galbraith been saying? I went to his preview of the 1D IV and he seems to be sitting firmly on the fence.
He hasn't said much but, I'm only refering to his past experience with 1D MK III. Over and over there was a problem while some didn't have issues. I really don't want to go down this road again when the 1D MK IV/1Ds MK IV comes out. Right now it's speculation since the body hasn't been out yet but, I'll keep an open ear in what he has to say. :)

[Gerhard K]

"Its done .... and slated for a Feb/March release ... Its been done for a while they will bring it out in Spring next year at latest unless they can't get the yield on the chip..... one last gasp for the 1 series concept."

"The file size was 7000 something x 4700 something pixels as I recall.... whatever mp that is who cares ????....."

Source: Paul Pope

[ssim]

since canon updates the 1D series once in 3 years, they absolutely can not screw the 1Ds up. I mean that would be the total failure of canon and probably bankruptcy. 1Ds has to be a miracle camera otherwise I don't see great future for canon. If all they do is give the camera a $10.000 price tag, give it 26mpx sensor and only go 6fps, then I really dont think any 1ds III owner will update.

Its been said already but Canon would have to mess up on many fronts in order to force them into bankruptcy. I don't know how you can honestly say that by miscalculating the market for the next 1Ds body it would force them into financial dire straits. You need to read up on Canon Corp. and understand where their revenues come from. I will agree that by simply adding more MP and a new price tag would be a mistake but I don't see them doing this either.

Who else would rather have a lower resolution sensor with amazing high iso performance & fast burst capability?

I'll go ahead and guess 26 mp for the sensor.

I do alot of work for an advertising agency and one of the things that are always asking for is large file sizes. The larger mp count would assist in this so in this case, yes I would vote for more megapixel. In reality to shoot a wedding or portraits, I certainly don't need anything even close to what the 1Ds series is offering now. In fact I currently end up shooting in smaller file sizes now.

Here's another possibility - there might not be a 1Ds4 at all.

RG says in his 1D4 preview (http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-10044-10310) that the 1D4 has the feel of an interim product.

The 1D2n was an interim product with an 18 months life span and there was no 1DsIIn to accompany it.

It is possible that the 1D4 will have the same short life span as the 1D2n and there would be no 1Ds4 at all.

Then, in 18 months or so, Canon will announce the entirely new 1-series - which could be a single model or two models as today.

RG seems to be able to get advance information from Canon but so do many other websites and some select members of their CPS and Explorers of Light program. You have to sign a non disclosure agreement. The cameras do get a decent workout before they are brought to the public. I've always found RG to be fairly well balanced though he did seem to kind of go postal in the 1DMKIII. I don't see Canon not bringing out a 1DsMKIV. The pro community is asking for it and they will respond.


I don't have a long list of enhancements that I would like to see in the next 1 series FF body. I simply want them to continue providing a workhorse camera that will function without any problems. I've already given my list to them, shortly after getting my current 1DsMKIII. I am hopeful that some of those will be incorporated. It is one thing to put your thoughts out on a forum but in order to be sure you are heard, sit down and put it in a communication directly to Canon. They do monitor many of the popular websites to see what people are saying.

[jdizzle]

So what would you like to see in the next 1Ds MK IV Sheldon?

[cookey]

I just recieved an email from a local photo store saying the new 1DsMK4 is 32 Megapixal

[Collin85]

Sounds about right.

[jdizzle]

I just recieved an email from a local photo store saying the new 1DsMK4 is 32 Megapixal
Let's see a copy of that e-mail. :)

[jdizzle]

Sounds about right.
32 megapixels sound pretty good to me. :)

[cookey]

Here is a copy & paste of ther email I recieved


Canon - 1Ds Mark IV with 32 Megapixel at Photokina 2010. Long standing (and now boring) rumours of new lenses, esp: 24-70mm, 70-200mm and 100-400mm
Nikon - Nothing of note - apart from the constant reminder of an alleged new Nikon D700x. Oh and Nikon Mirrorless camera on the horizon?

[blackshadow]

I received the same email and it is under the heading - WHAT'S IN THE RUMOUR MILL THIS WEEK?

It sounds plausible but it is definitely a rumour.

Here is a copy & paste of ther email I recieved


Canon - 1Ds Mark IV with 32 Megapixel at Photokina 2010. Long standing (and now boring) rumours of new lenses, esp: 24-70mm, 70-200mm and 100-400mm
Nikon - Nothing of note - apart from the constant reminder of an alleged new Nikon D700x. Oh and Nikon Mirrorless camera on the horizon?

[AdamJL]

I received the same email and it is under the heading - WHAT'S IN THE RUMOUR MILL THIS WEEK?

It sounds plausible but it is definitely a rumour.

Lol cookey neglected to mention that heading.

"I just recieved an email from a local photo store saying the new 1DsMK4 is 32 Megapixal"

[AdamJL]

Here's another possibility - there might not be a 1Ds4 at all.

RG says in his 1D4 preview (http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-10044-10310) that the 1D4 has the feel of an interim product.

The 1D2n was an interim product with an 18 months life span and there was no 1DsIIn to accompany it.

It is possible that the 1D4 will have the same short life span as the 1D2n and there would be no 1Ds4 at all.

Then, in 18 months or so, Canon will announce the entirely new 1-series - which could be a single model or two models as today.

Paul Pope said something similar. I wonder if indeed after the Ds the 1 series will be retired and replaced with something entirely new. Maybe.. .even a replacement for EOS!

[blackshadow]

Paul Pope said something similar. I wonder if indeed after the Ds the 1 series will be retired and replaced with something entirely new. Maybe.. .even a replacement for EOS!

We could go DOS!

I miss DOS!

[phaleesy]

Just wondering how the ISO performance of the 1Ds have been traditionally compared to the 1D?

I have a 5D mk 1 currently and waiting to upgrade. I'm used to FF but I also need high ISO in low light. If the 1Ds has traditionally lower ISO performance compared to the 1D, I'm happy to go ahead with the x1.3 crop next year. It would in fact be advantageous for my animal shots.

With a 1DmkIV in hand, I could continue using my current 5D until the 5Dmk III comes along (with better AF and ISO performance compared to the present mkII). (I usually have two bodies with me) Would that be a reasonable course of action?

I just can't be waiting and waiting for a 1Ds which might not even appear in 2010, and limping along with a 5D which doesn't have very fab ISO performance and AF. :(

Any thoughts? Many thanks.

[Shadowblade]

Give me 16 stops of pattern-noise-free DR with 24-bit output (or 16-bit logarithmic) for good tonality in shadows, as well as clean high-ISO output.

I like to shoot landscapes/cityscapes/skyscapes at night, often with huge DR (bright stars/moon against starlit landscape) and sometimes with moving subjects. 30-40 minute exposures at ISO 100 are common. Star trails and other forms of motion blur are not always desirable. It's not going to happen in the next generation, but a clean ISO 500k would cut a 30-minute ISO 100 shot down to 0.5s...

Could care less about the resolution, and not much more about the frame rate.

[Collin85]

Give me 16 stops of pattern-noise-free DR with 24-bit output (or 16-bit logarithmic) for good tonality in shadows, as well as clean high-ISO output.

So is this thread turning into a 'what's your dream 1Ds Mark IV', rather than realistic predictions? :lol::p

[Shadowblade]

So is this thread turning into a 'what's your dream 1Ds Mark IV', rather than realistic predictions? :lol::p

Not quite. If it were a dream 1Ds4, it would come with battery grip optional!:p

And underwater seals!

[Lowner]

No way do I want to have to buy a seperate grip at the prices Canon would charge for it. And surely Canon need the extra room in the body to pack in all those extra wheaty goodnesses I'm hoping for. If Canon could make it smaller, presumably they would?

[Shadowblade]

No way do I want to have to buy a seperate grip at the prices Canon would charge for it. And surely Canon need the extra room in the body to pack in all those extra wheaty goodnesses I'm hoping for. If Canon could make it smaller, presumably they would?

Most of the grip is just full of battery...

[jdizzle]

No way do I want to have to buy a seperate grip at the prices Canon would charge for it. And surely Canon need the extra room in the body to pack in all those extra wheaty goodnesses I'm hoping for. If Canon could make it smaller, presumably they would?
If they need to make some spare room in that body, I would want QUAD Digic IV. :) ;)

[Rukes]

Although part of it is the battery, there is still a large amount of space in it. I remember when the 5D MkII came out with the same autofocus, Canon said it was because they needed all the extra room in the 1D series in the base for the high-end AF equipment, and would have to give the 5D series the 1D body to get the better AF.

[Shadowblade]

Although part of it is the battery, there is still a large amount of space in it. I remember when the 5D MkII came out with the same autofocus, Canon said it was because they needed all the extra room in the 1D series in the base for the high-end AF equipment, and would have to give the 5D series the 1D body to get the better AF.

Obviously Canon didn't require the extra room for better AF in the 7D (1.6x crop, but also a smaller body), while Nikon didn't require it in the full-frame D700...

[Rukes]

Obviously Canon didn't require the extra room for better AF in the 7D (1.6x crop, but also a smaller body), while Nikon didn't require it in the full-frame D700...

Well of course tehcnology will get better and smaller. Better AF in 1D series while the older one waters down to the lower models when they shrink it enough.

[tvphotog]

it will have eleventy billion megapixels.

bw!

[Lowner]

"it will have eleventy billion megapixels".

Bring it on big boy!

[Fidelity]

I think some of the specs will be:

1. 26.5 MP (based on same pixel pitch as 1D Mark IV)
2. 5.5 fps (based on two digic V processors each 25% faster than digic IV)
3. Native ISO 12,800 (but effectively 1/2 stop better than 1D Mark IV)
4. Same AF as 1D Mark IV
5. Same Video as 1D Mark IV
6. $7999

Canon will build on their 1D Mark IV philosophy of focusing on making a workhorse that does everything really well, rather than loading it with "frilly bits." The IQ will be unsurpassed.

[Lowner]

If the camera really is to debut at next years Photokina I think it's a safe bet that we will get better specs than that. Canon will have had any 12 months of research and development by then. I'm expecting 30mp as a benchmark. I agree that Canon don't experiment with their top of the line models "usually"! They did with the mk3 and look what a PR dissaster that was.

[jdizzle]

If the camera really is to debut at next years Photokina I think it's a safe bet that we will get better specs than that. Canon will have had any 12 months of research and development by then. I'm expecting 30mp as a benchmark. I agree that Canon don't experiment with their top of the line models "usually"! They did with the mk3 and look what a PR dissaster that was.
I don't think that'll happen with the 1D IV series because, Canon has learned their lesson. Let's wait and see when reviews come out for the 1D MK IV. It'll give us better judgement on what the next 1Ds will be like.

[ihv]

That would be a really nice piece of equipment.

However, I doubt very much Canon will change its course.
So here you go: it will be just 1D MK4 with FF and tiny-tiny pixels
to make it a 30+ MP camera. This brings obviously slow speed,
one stop less high ISO. So much for innovation.

I think some of the specs will be:

1. 26.5 MP (based on same pixel pitch as 1D Mark IV)
2. 5.5 fps (based on two digic V processors each 25% faster than digic IV)
3. Native ISO 12,800 (but effectively 1/2 stop better than 1D Mark IV)
4. Same AF as 1D Mark IV
5. Same Video as 1D Mark IV
6. $7999

Canon will build on their 1D Mark IV philosophy of focusing on making a workhorse that does everything really well, rather than loading it with "frilly bits." The IQ will be unsurpassed.

[Fidelity]

That would be a really nice piece of equipment.

However, I doubt very much Canon will change its course.
So here you go: it will be just 1D MK4 with FF and tiny-tiny pixels
to make it a 30+ MP camera. This brings obviously slow speed,
one stop less high ISO. So much for innovation.

I was a bit off about the necessity for faster processors for 26.5 MP. Since the 1D Mark IV can do 10 fps at 16 MP, it's not far fetched to expect a 32 MP FF to do 5 fps with the same processors. A 32 MP FF would have the same pixel pitch as the 450D, but I'm sure there would be advances such as gapless microlenses, etc. Larger pixels have the potential for better S/N ratio. But, Canon has a good track record of making smaller pixels do ISO as well as older larger ones. I, for one, would prefer that Canon stick with the same pixel pitch as the 40D and 1D Mark IV, and squeeze out better IQ, ISO and fps than has been achieved on any FF before (with only 26.5 MP).

[ihv]

I, for one, would prefer that Canon stick with the same pixel pitch as the 40D and 1D Mark IV, and squeeze out better IQ, ISO and fps than has been achieved on any FF before (with only 26.5 MP).

That would be a nice cam to have.

I think much depends on the release date:
1) if it's going to be in the beginning of 2010, then it will be 30+ MP 1D MK4 & FF.
2) if Photokina, then we might see Digic V and some new nice features
3) with the 1st option happening at Photokina, I think the lifespan would be extremely short.

Pick your choice :-)

I'd like to see #2 happening, but for some reason I think it is going to be #1

[Lowner]

I think I'd rather wait now and get a camera thats going to be around for a while, than Canon rush in with a stop-gap that is soon out gunned.

With the machine-gun 1D Mk4 available for those who need it, I see no reason for Canon to increase the fps on the 1Ds. Far better to go for award winning noise control and 30 mp. If that takes Digic 4/5/6 or 99 I really am not bothered, thats Canons business. All I want is the performance.

[muscleflex]

it will have a hot chocolate dispenser built in!

[beeng]

it will have a hot chocolate dispenser built in!
This is a must. Optional espresso attachement will be sold seperately.
:cool:

[kurt765]

Canonrumors.com just posted a silly thing talking about a 36x36mm sensor and a total new design for the 1ds IV. I'm not buying that for a second. However, the idea of a square sensor is somewhat intriguing, since you could shoot horizontal or vertical traditional format images without having to rotate the camera, or square images if you want. And you're not forcing a lens redesign since your lenses are going to have image circles that cover that size anyway.
I really really want a FF version of the 1DIV.
-K

-K

[Lowner]

That seems an excellent idea. I've long thought that a round sensor would be good, maximising the potential of the lens and giving more options in post processing.

Camera design might be tricky, particularly the viewfinder optics. The sensor is the least of the problems.

[frankchn]

Canonrumors.com just posted a silly thing talking about a 36x36mm sensor and a total new design for the 1ds IV. I'm not buying that for a second. However, the idea of a square sensor is somewhat intriguing, since you could shoot horizontal or vertical traditional format images without having to rotate the camera, or square images if you want. And you're not forcing a lens redesign since your lenses are going to have image circles that cover that size anyway.

Nope, your lenses certainly don't have an image circle that covers that. Remember, the diameter of your image circle should be the diagonal of your sensor. A 36x24mm sensor requires a minimum 43.27mm usable image circle - a 36x36mm sensor would require 50.91mm. The EF mount itself only has a 54mm lens throat (i.e. opening) so a ~51mm image circle is unfeasible in that sense as well since you have to take into account lens mount electronics, etc...

Even if the lens would project such a large image circle (some zooms and supertelephotos might) - the quality at the edges would be unspecified and probably very poor. I would sooner believe that Canon is going to launch MF digital backs/cameras than this.

[MDJAK]

as much as hubble :D


But hopefully cheaper to repair and upkeep. Shipping costs can be a bummer. :lol:

me

[Lowner]

"The EF mount itself only has a 54mm lens throat (i.e. opening) so a ~51mm image circle is unfeasible"

You are forgetting that the lens image is reduced at the mount, as it converges to a point then expands out again to the sensor.

[J_TULLAR]

if they do make a MF camera... I think they will release exclusive lenses for it. But yea, im not buying it at all.

[frankchn]

You are forgetting that the lens image is reduced at the mount, as it converges to a point then expands out again to the sensor.

Nope, I am pretty sure it is not like that. It might converge to nearly to a point if you stop down the aperture enough.

See lens ray-trace for a typical double Gauss design (fast, normal lens): http://www.zemax.com/UserFiles/Image/imaging/double_gauss.gif

[Lowner]

Thats very unusual, the image normally presents to the sensor upside down, having been "flipped".

[Jannie]

This has potential, even if it is not 36x36, if they can somehow increase the sensor size without much size change the camera physical size and be able to use the same lenses. Also for me if instead of square format but one equivalent to 4x5 would be even more useful in this camera than the current 2x3 would be welcome.

It's all pretty neat thinking about this but I doubt it is something I actually need for what I am doing.

[gnoW]

canon might as well start making digital medium formats :P

[frankchn]

Thats very unusual, the image normally presents to the sensor upside down, having been "flipped".

The flipping occurs at the aperture stop. That's why when you close down the aperture, you don't block or reduce the field of view of the lens.

[Lowner]

"The flipping occurs at the aperture stop. That's why when you close down the aperture, you don't block or reduce the field of view of the lens".

We agree! So the image is reduced as it goes past the lens mount. After all have you looked at the size of most rear elements. They are tiny.

[AdamJL]

^ when are you going to learn how to use the "quote" button? ;)

[beeng]

^ when are you going to learn how to use the "quote" button? ;)
At least he's not using something like APA format ;)

[frankchn]

We agree! So the image is reduced as it goes past the lens mount. After all have you looked at the size of most rear elements. They are tiny.

Err the aperture stop is in the middle of the lens. It isn't exactly "reduced" and some rear elements (the EF 85mm f/1.2L's one comes to mind) are really really big. So I think it is quite dependent on individual design.

[Lowner]

Yes, I can well imagine there are exceptions to the rule. I've never seen a lens that would give a problem, but I'm sure there must be one or two about. But in the majority of lenses, it would not be an issue.

[Robf]

Heard 32 mp, and a private invites to events within the month where canon are talking about a new body...

[Lowner]

So we should get some harder news soon I imagine. I could certainly find a use for 32 MP. But I could also find a use for Eye-Control on 45 AF points and 21 MP (rumous about a new 3D). Cannot afford both, to be honest cannot afford either, so difficult decisions ahead I foresee.

[jdizzle]

So we should get some harder news soon I imagine. I could certainly find a use for 32 MP. But I could also find a use for Eye-Control on 45 AF points and 21 MP (rumous about a new 3D). Cannot afford both, to be honest cannot afford either, so difficult decisions ahead I foresee.
You better make up your mind soon! :);) 32 MP would definitely be lovely. It would go up against the Leica S2. Not that I would compare to Leica anyway. :)