Apple's new 27" iMac

[dinko]

Surely this thing can handle the editing of 7D and 5D video :p

Quad-Core intel processors, 2TB of memory, 16 gb of ram...world's first multi-touch mouse (wireless keyboard and mouse = standard ) I am in love!

http://www.apple.com/imac


*oops sorry possible repost or wrong section? i just got overly excited!

[Depth]

While I love my MacBook, the iMac prices are quite outrageous for what's offered. Reason why I built my desktop. =D

But it's good to see Apple updating hardware faster than in the past.

[-AP-]

Yes the new IMAC looks awesome..!!

[JayCee Images]

Cue the Mac haters in 3...2......1.....

[10megapixel]

Overpriced.

[-AP-]

Overpriced.

Worth every bloody nickel... I used to be a MAC hater until I got fed up with constant errors and compatibility issues. When I got into photography, a gentleman I was working with did all his editing on his Mac Pro and always had an "edge" over my quality. When I did get the Mac, it made a considerable difference in my editing workflow and overall results.

I still build and repair PC's for friends and family, but always recommend buying a MAC. I probably do anywhere from 1-4 repairs/builds per month and help convert a few of them.

[S-Man]

Wow, 27" IPS screen. Nice!
*want*

I wonder what's better, the 3.06 Ghz core 2 duo, or the 2.66 quad core i5?
I'm not real familiar with the latest chips.

[Depth]

Wow, 27" IPS screen. Nice!
*want*

I wonder what's better, the 3.06 Ghz core 2 duo, or the 2.66 quad core i5?
I'm not real familiar with the latest chips.

The i5 is better.

[S-Man]

Why is that? Multiple cores allow the processing of more tasks at once, correct?
Wonder why they only offered it in 2.66 ghz?

[AKHOO]

I think I'm going to try and run it pass the wife for next year. After I get the 35L and 85L, while waiting for the 5Diii to come out.

Yeah, funny isn't it with Macs? People either love them or hate them. I'm a software engineer and system administrator in Melbourne, Australia.

My home is a PC-free environment. Macs only.

[Depth]

Why is that? Multiple cores allow the processing of more tasks at once, correct?
Wonder why they only offered it in 2.66 ghz?
i5 is a newer and has a more powerful architecture.

They're using this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115215

[cy88]

Upgrading my 24" to 27" ;)

[drisley]

Overpriced.
+1

Althoooough, upon second look that monitor is very nice. I wonder if it's glossy only though?

[TurboDream17]

Why is that? Multiple cores allow the processing of more tasks at once, correct?
Wonder why they only offered it in 2.66 ghz?

That's because the dual = 2 x 3.06 = 6.12 ghz total

Quad core = 4 x 2.66 = 10.64 ghz total

The intel i7 965 is a quad core @ 3.33 ghz , but they're still really expensive.

[Depth]

That's because the dual = 2 x 3.06 = 6.12 ghz total

Quad core = 4 x 2.66 = 10.64 ghz total

The intel i7 965 is a quad core @ 3.33 ghz , but they're still really expensive.
What, no. You do not multiply the frequency by the number of cores.


A quad core at 3.6ghz is 3.6ghz. No matter how many cores the cpu has, it does not add more frequency.

[EmmaRose]

27" /want

[RWatkins]

AWSOME absolutely awsome . Now, I hope they bring that Display Port Link function to the laptops.

[RWatkins]

Overpriced.

Ummm... no

Show me were I can get a high pixel LED backlit IPS screen, ability to use as an extra monitor, BT keyboard and mouse standard? Having all this in a unit that only neds to be plugged into the wall out of the box is all kinds of awesome.


There is a premium, but to say 'overpriced' is a bit much.

[alt4852]

Worth every bloody nickel... I used to be a MAC hater until I got fed up with constant errors and compatibility issues. When I got into photography, a gentleman I was working with did all his editing on his Mac Pro and always had an "edge" over my quality. When I did get the Mac, it made a considerable difference in my editing workflow and overall results.

I still build and repair PC's for friends and family, but always recommend buying a MAC. I probably do anywhere from 1-4 repairs/builds per month and help convert a few of them.

i'm not a mac hater, but i do get a bit tired of the hyperbole that pc's exclusively are ridden with errors and compatibility issues. i've used macs for four years in school, and i've run into that infinite looping pinwheel quite often. they aren't infallable. i'd say my linux system is probably the most error free out of any system i've used, although gimp isn't quite up to the standards of photoshop or lightroom yet (for free, i can't really complain). my primary system has always been a pc with windows since i run a few mac-incompatible applications, and i've honestly never had severe problems with it. vista had annoying quirks, but no BSOD issues since i left win2k nor have i ever encountered any viruses.

honestly.. i think a lot of what you're saying is psychological. i edit my images on macs and pcs, and quite frankly.. adobe software is adobe software. there shouldn't be an "edge" by using one system over another. the applications are running the same processes.

i think the new imac is packed full of attractive features, but please.. mac pro's create images that have an edge over pc edited ones? i think that's stepping into the realm of wishful thinking.

[-AP-]

Not so much wishful thinking, but perhaps my Heuristic view of most things...

Thanks..

[constrict]

waiting for this:
http://10gui.com/video/

[Psychobiker]

To the haters.
There are only two reasons that you don't like them :

a) You've not given a Mac a thorough-enough trial
b) You can't afford one and are jealous

[RWatkins]

honestly.. i think a lot of what you're saying is psychological. i edit my images on macs and pcs, and quite frankly.. adobe software is adobe software. there shouldn't be an "edge" by using one system over another. the applications are running the same processes.

This is actually incorrect. Adobe software on PC's currently is more advanced, in that it is 64 bit and OS X is only 32 bit. Per Adobe, this will change with CS5, but for now, the Windows version is better. Moreover, Adobe offers a few programs that are Windows only.

[TSY87]

so ive come to realize my 4 year old pc is not up to specs anymore and the other day i started pricing out another PC build. with almost all the bells and whistles, i was looking at close to 1500 without an OS, monitor, keyboard, and mouse (i already have those so wouldnt really include them in the build anyway).

I then went on engadget and see that the new iMacs have launched. Now im typically a diehard PC guy but the iMac caught me off guard. Since it now uses actual desktop components, and has a decent spec sheet.. i became interested. Then i read about the 27" 1440P ips LED backlight panel and my mouth started watering... Its almost impossible to find a monitor with those specs at a reasonable price. Now i find out i can also plug in my PS3 and HD cable box with an adaptor and im almost completely sold....

I just might end up getting a Mac... i cant believe it

[CAL Imagery]

b) You can't afford one and are jealous
That's true enough - I built a Windows desktop for way less money than a Mac Pro. However, I like Mac's OS a little more, but not by a large margin; especially for the price of those beastly Mac Pros.

[TheHoff]

so ive come to realize my 4 year old pc is not up to specs anymore and the other day i started pricing out another PC build....
I just might end up getting a Mac... i cant believe it

I was on DOS/PCs for 24 years and went through the same realization last year when the new unibody laptops came out. I couldn't resist them when compared to the crap that PC laptop makers put out.

Go for it.

[Psychobiker]

That's true enough - I built a Windows desktop for way less money than a Mac Pro. However, I like Mac's OS a little more, but not by a large margin; especially for the price of those beastly Mac Pros.

Aye, if I was on the market for a desktop then yes, it'd either be a serious custom job or 27" iMac...which by the time you buy a 27" IPS to go on your custom-box.

I've built (and will build! - with OSX) many custom PCs. They're faultless for a desktop...but try putting the equivalent offering of a MB Pro into a <3kg case and dragging it around Canada for a year. Dell's XPS is just a LITTLE heavier and bulkier :)

I'm on the W7 Beta program. It is intrinsically still Windows, but a VAST improvement over Vista. Unfortunately, when I bought my Mac, W7 wasn't out and I wasn't about to pay for Vista. What an abomination.
L

[20DNewbie]

Cue the Mac haters in 3...2......1.....

:lol: As opposed to the MacHeads that honestly believe Macs are the be all end all when it comes to computers? Seems more like a religious zealotry than anything else.

I mean how many PC users to you see trying to convert Mac users to PC compared to the flip side of that coin?

I had one once and it was a P.O.S. out of the box, even the laa dee daa techs/geniuses couldn't figure out the problem with it.

Never had that problem with any of my PCs'.

[souporman]

To the haters.
There are only two reasons that you don't like them :

a) You've not given a Mac a thorough-enough trial
b) You can't afford one and are jealous

c) You like to play games the same year they're released

;)

[lhughey]

I just can't get with the idea of purchasing all in one units. I like to upgrade my PCs when when they need newer components. Thats why i dont buy any electronics that are all in one units.

And to the guy who said its because we can't afford it, i think you're funny at best. Almost everyone on this site has the disposable funds to purchase that computer if we wanted. Hell, half of us have of 6k in camera gear. There are many reasons why people have different computer tastes than you. I wont go into details because everyone is different. But the reason why a lot of people don't have Mac has nothing to do with lack of exposure or funds. You do you, and i'll do me.

[TSY87]

just to make things a little more fair... can someone find a monitor that is the equivalent to the 27" 1440 IPS LED backlight screen? im really trying to find the price breakdown and this has so far eluded me.

[R.Perez]

To the haters.
There are only two reasons that you don't like them :

a) You've not given a Mac a thorough-enough trial
b) You can't afford one and are jealous



This is nonsense.

I have used Mac's for about 11 years, I have been building and using PC's for about 15.

My latest core i7 build was $3000 (not including a monitor) and ran circles around any Mac Pro under $4000.

It was sleek, had an all aluminum case and custom sleeved power supply.

I say had because I had to sell it to get ready for my upcoming move to Hawaii.

For me there is no difference, I look at the hardware and the $$$ and make my choice from there.

OSX is fine (has some quirks I dont like but no biggie), Windows 7 is great, and Vista after SP2 was great too.

Now that being said I like the new 27" iMac. It is about time that Apple made an iMac with a solid desktop quad core. That screen looks fantastic, and I think it is priced really well. So much so, I may just buy one after I move.

To everyone saying it is over priced I think you are missing some of the specs here, that screen alone is worth quite a lot of money. With my student discount it comes out to $2200 with core i7 and 8gb of ram. Not too shabby.

I also don't really game much like I used too, so it makes it much more practical for me these days.

[CliffordPhotography]

I think apple makes a beautiful machine, but like stated they are way overpriced.

[R.Perez]

just to make things a little more fair... can someone find a monitor that is the equivalent to the 27" 1440 IPS LED backlight screen? im really trying to find the price breakdown and this has so far eluded me.

There is no equivalent.

That resolution just isn't normally found in anything under 30" and a thirty inch IPS panel is NOT cheap by any means.

[RWatkins]

just to make things a little more fair... can someone find a monitor that is the equivalent to the 27" 1440 IPS LED backlight screen? im really trying to find the price breakdown and this has so far eluded me.

The nearest screen is one with 1600 horizontal lines, IPS from Dell. However, this is not LED backlit...yet. Those are about 1,000 USD. With that said, they have more input options and better scalers than Apple displays are known for.

[constrict]

lulz.

http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/mac-vs-pc-webcam-is-broken.jpg

[S-Man]

^ Yeah, cuz my iSight breaks all the time... :rolleyes:
Look at that mess though! :lol:

[cory1848]

Nikon RULES! Wait wrong thread....:mrgreen:

[alt4852]

c) You like to play games the same year they're released

;)

hahahaha, zing! ;)

This is nonsense.

I have used Mac's for about 11 years, I have been building and using PC's for about 15.

My latest core i7 build was $3000 (not including a monitor) and ran circles around any Mac Pro under $4000.

It was sleek, had an all aluminum case and custom sleeved power supply.

I say had because I had to sell it to get ready for my upcoming move to Hawaii.

For me there is no difference, I look at the hardware and the $$$ and make my choice from there.

OSX is fine (has some quirks I dont like but no biggie), Windows 7 is great, and Vista after SP2 was great too.

Now that being said I like the new 27" iMac. It is about time that Apple made an iMac with a solid desktop quad core. That screen looks fantastic, and I think it is priced really well. So much so, I may just buy one after I move.

To everyone saying it is over priced I think you are missing some of the specs here, that screen alone is worth quite a lot of money. With my student discount it comes out to $2200 with core i7 and 8gb of ram. Not too shabby.

I also don't really game much like I used too, so it makes it much more practical for me these days.

i think this is a pretty fair assessment of macs, and the introduction of the new imac.

^ Yeah, cuz my iSight breaks all the time... :rolleyes:
Look at that mess though! :lol:

a webcam was probably used because it's easy to show in the picture. however, take the same approach to an optical drive that jams or fails (happened to a few macs at school), replacing cooling fans, etc and you start to see the point a little more clearly. easy-access modulated parts are easy to service and replace, whereas every time someone reports a problematic mac to the IT department, there's an empty desk for a week.

[dmccabe]

c) You like to play games the same year they're released

;)

yeah... cuz everyone knows you can't load Windows on a Mac to play the latest game... go ahead.. do a facepalm.


PC = Windows/Linux
Mac = Windows/Linux/OS X

I think the choice is clear.

[TSY87]

There is no equivalent.

That resolution just isn't normally found in anything under 30" and a thirty inch IPS panel is NOT cheap by any means.

This is what i was getting at... and my main factor for considering getting an imac... ive been a mac hater for years...

The nearest screen is one with 1600 horizontal lines, IPS from Dell. However, this is not LED backlit...yet. Those are about 1,000 USD. With that said, they have more input options and better scalers than Apple displays are known for.

so my initial thoughts were correct... the monitor alone is worth a decent chunk of change... now throw in a decent computer??

ahhhh... i cant believe i may end up geting a mac!!

[dmccabe]

so my initial thoughts were correct... the monitor alone is worth a decent chunk of change... now throw in a decent computer??

I have a 30" Mac monitor... I do critical retouching and color correction and have used just about every monitor ever made... the Apple 30" monitor is the best screen made.

It is VERY expensive. It costs more than this new iMac, just for the monitor.

So a 27" iMac is a fantastic price point at $1999.

Once you start using a large screen for PhotoShop, you can never go back to a small screen.

The main limitation on any iMac model is the lack of PCie slots. So you are stuck with the built-in graphics card. Or any other PCI add-on.
If you need a special video or audio card, you need to get a tower model.

[TheHoff]

I have a 30" Mac monitor... I do critical retouching and color correction and have used just about every monitor ever made... the Apple 30" monitor is the best screen made.

C'mon now... the best screen made? Not even close. The best screen made that is sold in Best Buys and shopping malls everywhere? Sure.

ColourConfidence puts the Apple 30" in their "two star" class... check out the 3s, 4s, and 5s for better screens.

http://shop.colourconfidence.com/section.php?xSec=10433


Once you start using a large screen for PhotoShop, you can never go back to a small screen.

I've adjusted back to a 15" MBP screen pretty well coming from 24s and 30s.


The main limitation on any iMac model is the lack of PCie slots

or the lack of eSata limiting your use of fast external storage drives to firewire or USB.

[dmccabe]

ColourConfidence puts the Apple 30" in their "two star" class

I have used the Eizo (http://shop.colourconfidence.com/product.php?xProd=1962&xSec=10315) screens that they rate as "5 star", and they are good... BUT they are TWICE the price as an Apple 30".

B&H rates the Eizo (http://shop.colourconfidence.com/product.php?xProd=1962&xSec=10315) as the best too... so when I stated "best", I should have indicated "for the price"

You can have 2 Apple 30" screens for the price of 1 Eizo (http://shop.colourconfidence.com/product.php?xProd=1962&xSec=10315) 30" screen.

I could never switch back to a <24" screen.

For hard drives, I use a HighPoint RocketRAID 2322 8 channel multi-lane to an external 8-bay trayless sata enclosure -- I have over 60 hard drives that I swap in/out for editing audio/video/photos. Very fast.

[TheHoff]

I have used the Eizo (http://shop.colourconfidence.com/product.php?xProd=1962&xSec=10315) screens that they rate as "5 star", and they are good... BUT they are TWICE the price as an Apple 30".

B&H rates the Eizo (http://shop.colourconfidence.com/product.php?xProd=1962&xSec=10315) as the best too... so when I stated "best", I should have indicated "for the price"

You can have 2 Apple 30" screens for the price of 1 Eizo (http://shop.colourconfidence.com/product.php?xProd=1962&xSec=10315) 30" screen.

Fair enough!

[Todd Lambert]

I mean how many PC users to you see trying to convert Mac users to PC compared to the flip side of that coin?



This is what is funny... that pretty much is BS. At least on these forums here, it is the exact opposite of what you proclaim. Anyone starts a thread asking about a Mac, etc... within 3 responses someone such as yourself, comes into the thread and craps on the Mac, explains why such and such motherboard is so much more advanced than what comes in a Mac, or that Adobe apps are 64bit, blah blah blah.

Your post in this thread only proves this point. Your not buying a Mac, why did you come into this thread then? To discredit the Mac, spread FUD, etc?

[R.Perez]

As someone who has used both Mac's and PC's for a number of years, there is something I would like to add. The general stigma among multimedia types that Mac's are the only computer you can use for photo editing, animation or video is just plain wrong. Sure final cut pro is nice, but premiere works just as well. Id love to see Final Cut ported to Windows but Apple owns the rights so that will never happen. To further make my point I would like to tell a story....

I am student a Portland State University in Portland, OR. I am transferring to University of Hawaii next semester, but anyway on to my story...

So I am in a Color Photography class at PSU and the other day my teacher decided to take an impromptu field trip to a local gallery to check out a local artists work and talk to her about the inspiration and design of it all. Her work was very digital in nature and thus required extensive use and knowledge of Photoshop. During Q&A one of the students asked whether she used a PC or a Mac and this is where the story gets interesting...

Without even blinking an eye she explains that she did her work on CS4 on an iMac.
Then proceeds to say "I would never recommend using ANY of the design programs on a PC, they just don't work properly and the Mac is designed for those programs".

As someone who had been using both for years and had a beast of a SLI, Core i7 machine at home with CS4 master collection on it, it blew my mind. It is just a completely ignorant and ridiculous thing to say.

It is this ignorance that pits PC enthusiasts against Mac users. The reality is a lot of "experts" in the multimedia community just spew what they heard from someone else. They know absolutely nothing about technical aspects or performance aspects of the computers they are referring to.

It is attitudes like this that have created this ridiculous division and fan-boi-ism amongst the different communities.

As someone planning on buying the new i7 iMac attitudes like this make me have second thoughts.

[TheHoff]

^^ this was true, what, maybe 8 or 10 years ago? Hasn't been true since; you're just speaking to someone stuck in their ways.

[R.Perez]

^^ this was true, what, maybe 8 or 10 years ago? Hasn't been true since; you're just speaking to someone stuck in their ways.

Unfortunately the majority of multimedia teachers are also stuck in their ways.

[alt4852]

yeah... cuz everyone knows you can't load Windows on a Mac to play the latest game... go ahead.. do a facepalm.


PC = Windows/Linux
Mac = Windows/Linux/OS X

I think the choice is clear.

wow, somebody sounds aggressive today. :confused:

it's not really a facepalm at all. to keep up with the high end gaming releases, you need a system that can keep up. gamers would essentially have to opt for the 1920x1080 since running COD:MW2 at 2560x1440 could pretty much max out anything under the sun right now. at 1920x1080, the sheer amount of processing power needed to render the newest games will tax a 4850 like crazy and you'd pretty much need to lower your settings to make it playable. with a pc, you can swap out a newer video card every few years to keep up with the pace, with a mac.. you need a new computer.

macs can run the latest and greatest now that they've finally changed their processor architecture, but there's really no reason a gamer would buy a mac over a pc if that was a significant priority for them.

i'm not trying to bash macs, since i think the new one is great for what it is.. but to say that macs are unequivocally better than pc's is a pretty blind viewpoint.

Once you start using a large screen for PhotoShop, you can never go back to a small screen.

i used to edit on a 30'' screen at school. now i edit on a 17''. it's not that big a deal.

[TheHoff]

Unfortunately the majority of multimedia teachers are also stuck in their ways.

And photography teachers who have "never seen a digital print worth framing" :lol: I had one of those last year in a street photography course.

[alt4852]

It is this ignorance that pits PC enthusiasts against Mac users. The reality is a lot of "experts" in the multimedia community just spew what they heard from someone else. They know absolutely nothing about technical aspects or performance aspects of the computers they are referring to.

It is attitudes like this that have created this ridiculous division and fan-boi-ism amongst the different communities.

As someone planning on buying the new i7 iMac attitudes like this make me have second thoughts.

it's certainly off-putting, but i wouldn't refuse to buy a mac just because of it's userbase.

i have run into a lot of really interesting characters though who are devout mac users. i remember back in the day when they used to tout the superiority of the mac architecture against pc's, and i had a field day when apple decided to adopt intel processors. the tune changed from, "macs are better" to "now macs are just as good as pc's so there's no reason not to get one."

[R.Perez]

And photography teachers who have "never seen a digital print worth framing" :lol: I had one of those last year in a street photography course.


haha yeah I have dealt with crap like that too, ughh.

My current photography teacher won't use her DSLR for anything but taking photos of her kids. She leaves her "real" photography to film.

then again she does shoot Nikon ;)

[Depth]

yeah... cuz everyone knows you can't load Windows on a Mac to play the latest game... go ahead.. do a facepalm.


PC = Windows/Linux
Mac = Windows/Linux/OS X

I think the choice is clear.
Except the hardware isn't as powerful.

Honestly, they both have their advantages and disadvantages. The hardware found in macs can easily be optimized for both the OS and software due to the proprietary nature of the computers. And due to there being less factors, things such as software usually have a lower chance of something becoming a complication.

While I own a MacBook, I still prefer Windows/custom desktop over it. I like being able to get more powerful hardware for my computer for a lower cost. For example, I got my 4870x2 on launch and only recently has the 4 series made an appearence on macs (still, the cards aren't as powerful as mine). And if something goes wrong with my computer, I'd rather fix the problem myself then drag it into the Apple store to be fixed. I've run into problems, such as a motherboard frying (lack of cooling on NVIDIA's part), that can easily down ones computer for awhile as they wait for a replacement (if their computer isn't replaced on the spot). All I had to do was RMA the motherboard, which got replaced in under a week.

And with the point you made about games, yes Macs can run them thanks to Bootcamp. But the more demanding games can't be maxed out on them, some still being unplayable even when settings are lowered.
With macs I don't have the ability to custom build a computer, I can't use things such as SLi and Crossfire, I can't overclock, I don't have the ability to upgrade any part later on (adding more RAM and a more powerful HDD only can go so far), etc...

What I do like about my MacBook is how its worked excellent up until this point. Since I got it two years ago, I've never had to reinstall the OS or do things such as defragmenting. Even after having the OS updated to a new one it still runs like new (even better now since I switched from a HDD to a SSD).

Both have their advantages and disadvantages, so buy what works for you. But please stop spewing BS around about one being superior to the other, since that's obviously not true.

(I'd go more in-depth on this, but I only can type so much on my phone)

[jacobsen1]

Now i find out i can also plug in my PS3 and HD cable box with an adaptor and im almost completely sold....


is this true? The spec says you can plugin their laptops, but I'm hoping that does mean it's a basic input?

[Psychobiker]

Afraid not jacobsen, I fear it's a MiniDisplayPort.

[TSY87]

is this true? The spec says you can plugin their laptops, but I'm hoping that does mean it's a basic input?

from what i have read, the minidisplay link on the 27" can be used as an input for other devices (blu-ray players, etc) with the appropriate adaptor

let me try to find a link

[R.Perez]

I was under the impression that you can buy an adapter to convert mini display port to DVI

[TSY87]

Read step 2

http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iMac-Intel-27-Inch/1236/1

buy this adaptor

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=104&cp_id=10428&cs_id=1042802&p_id=5311&seq=1&format=2

BAM, PS3 on an iMac.


I think this is only possible on the 27"

[Psychobiker]

It MIGHT be unidirectional...don't hold me to it

[20DNewbie]

This is what is funny... that pretty much is BS. At least on these forums here, it is the exact opposite of what you proclaim. Anyone starts a thread asking about a Mac, etc... within 3 responses someone such as yourself, comes into the thread and craps on the Mac, explains why such and such motherboard is so much more advanced than what comes in a Mac, or that Adobe apps are 64bit, blah blah blah.

Your post in this thread only proves this point. Your not buying a Mac, why did you come into this thread then? To discredit the Mac, spread FUD, etc?

Wow, sorry for pissing in your Cheerios.

If your going to selectively qoute me maybe you could take the time to find something from me where I have ever trashed Macs to the point of trying to convert.....

I'll wait....

While we all wait my experience from every Mac user IRL has been of them trying to "enlighten" my backwards self. What the real BS is that a few colleges I've attended all that everyone had to use Macs in the labs. Which in turn winds up pushing the student body to Macs, so much for the open mindedness of higher education.

As far as my short lived Mac ownership(not that I need to explain myself to you or anyone else), if the Apple Care disc I bought won't load and it won't connect to the Internet and the geniuses can't fix it it's a POS.

I'd say the same for any brand PC if I had the same experience.

As for why I bothered to open this thread, last time I checked it was a public forum where everyone is encouraged to share viewpoints/experiences/opinions. From now on maybe I should ask permission from you before opening threads. Maybe in the meantime you could find me a cup of the Mac kool-aid so you don't get so upset with me in the future?

Lastly I could give a rats @ss what you or pretty much anyone else uses. I've said it many times and I'm positive I'll say it in the future, buy and use what works for you.

It really is that simple.

Who knows(I really could care less), maybe you feel the need to justify the purchase to yourself by joining with the fanatical wing of Mac users.

Enjoy your Mac, I'll enjoy my PC and maybe one day I'll give it a go again as I've never burned that bridge unlike 99.9% o the Mac users I know.

[DDWD10]

I think I'm finally ready to make the jump to a new computer. I've been soldiering on with my G4 Mac mini for nearly five years now and it's about reached its limit. With my student discount, the 27" 3.06 Ghz with the built-to-order Radeon 4850 comes in at $1734, or almost exactly $1k more than I spent on my mini five years ago...

[jacobsen1]

Read step 2

http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iMac-Intel-27-Inch/1236/1

buy this adaptor

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=104&cp_id=10428&cs_id=1042802&p_id=5311&seq=1&format=2

BAM, PS3 on an iMac.


I think this is only possible on the 27"

nice, thank you. Yes it's ONLY 27" imacs, I know that, I just didn't know if it was ANY input or just macbooks. AWESOME. Almost worth upgrading for just for that.... (I have a 24" from feb).

[mehran.mo]

As depth said.. it really doesn't work that way.

Macs are useless to me for a few reasons which i wont get into. Generally I think for the people who are a little bit less tech savvy are usually better off with a mac. But seriously, if you are someone who uses a lot of custom applications you are gonna have trouble finding those on mac.

I'm not a PC guy or a Mac guy. I am a PC user and have always been, but I have used a few macs through the years and getting used to them is quite annoying because it feels a little dumbed down if you're used to having access to every low level setting like in a pc.

If I had the money I would get a Mac Pro and install windows and linux on it.

[mikekelley]

Unless you're playing games get a mac...
I use both and the mac is just so much easier. Sure it locks up from time to time (once every few months) but OSX is just light years ahead of windows in terms of depth of user friendliness.

I use both extensively and that's just my opinion.

And this thing is not overpriced at all.

I used to be heavy into gaming, but I rarely ever play anymore and my applications of choice are Aperture, Photoshop, Illustrator and Indesign.

[Depth]

Unless you're playing games get a mac...
I use both and the mac is just so much easier. Sure it locks up from time to time (once every few months) but OSX is just light years ahead of windows in terms of depth of user friendliness.

I use both extensively and that's just my opinion.

And this thing is not overpriced at all.

I used to be heavy into gaming, but I rarely ever play anymore and my applications of choice are Aperture, Photoshop, Illustrator and Indesign.
There it is. :D

Like I mentioned before I use both (I'm on my MacBook right now) and if I had to choose between the two I would go with Windows. I find both operating systems have the same level of user friendliness for me.

It's preference, that simple.

[telles75]

I have always been a PC die hard but I got to say the new iMac 27" with i7 will make me turn into the dark side..DAMN IT! I hate OsX, I am a Software Architect and I think Mac OS is meant for persons with zero technical skills; most Mac users don't know about folder and file structures (the way OS X was designed so even a 3 year old or an 80 year old can use it quickly).

But I just want a dedicated machine to do photography work so I don't care about how bad OS X is, inside of Lightroom and Photoshop everything is the same. And for the ignorant comment that you get the edge by editing in Macs, OMG that has got to be the most ridiculous thing I ever heard. Photoshop is the same thing in Mac or Windows.

So WHY am I buying this iMac if obviously I am a Windows guy? Very simple:

1) The screen: Beautiful IPS screen with the resolution of a 30 inch one. So the screen alone is worth around $1200. So I basically get a nice iCore 7 (and yes to upgrade from the i5 to i7 is only $200, not sure why someone in this thread said it was super expensive) system for $1000, not shabby at all..

2) Compactness: I like to have my desk clutter free so the iMAC is perfect, the keyboard is tiny so I can place my big ass Wacom 4 tablet comfortably anywhere I want. Also for studio shoots I can take the iMac with me in case I am shooting tethered (plug a 5meter USB cable) and you got a killer tether setup.

3) The Mouse: That has got be the coolest apple invention after the iPhone of course. I hated Apple mouses with all my heart (who was the smart ass that thought 1 button was better than 2??) but the new mouse looks amazing!!!

4) Finally just because even though I hate the Mac OS but I have always admitted the aesthetics of Macs are the best. I am a sucker for beautiful designs and no one beats the Macs (PCs look ugly beside the Macs).

But honestly I am totally getting this machine for the screen alone, and actually I find it CHEAP not overpriced at all... Damn is the same price as an 85 f1.2L II , now that glass is surely overpriced. Is funny to hear photographers complaining that a $2K computer is expensive but don't think it twice to spend $8K on a camera body :)

[MrContact]

I had a long bit of text here for awhile, then I deleted it and this is the sum of its parts
-You can build a machine for as little as half the price of the mac pro and still get high-end parts
-overpriced, I'll just upgrade my desktop PC and pick up a new moniter.
-Okay the monitor isn't on the cheap rack, but buying it on its own isn't gonna cost ya 2k.
-I own both a Apple Desktop and a homebuilt Desktop, have used both for video and photo edits. Prefer the feel of even Vista over Leopard(never picked up snow leopard)
-On the "Magic Mouse"
"Forget the mouse as you know it." You know, with it's clunky wheel, cord, and visible button. Did they just bash on their own product? Yes, yes they sure did.
"...and it supports two-button clicking... Like magic"

PASS, HE SHOOTS, HE SCORES.
~EDIT~
I go for quality in my hardware over how 'hip,' 'indie,' or 'attractive' it looks sitting on my desk. My Wacom is pretty enough for the rest of my clunky wheels, and cords, and zip ties laying around.

[Todd Lambert]

Wow, sorry for pissing in your Cheerios.

Honestly, wasn't trying to single out your post in this thread only, as there are several others as well. I quoted yours because of your claim that Mac people try and convert PC people which may or may not be your experience, but at least here on these forums, it is quite the opposite. I truly challenge you to find a thread here where someone is asking about a new motherboard for their PC, or about some new whatever that is PC related, and someone comes in and says, nah.. that's crap. What you want is a Mac. PC's are slow, overpriced, etc...

You just don't see that. You don't see me or most of the other Mac users here on this forum, going out of our way to sabotage threads that are PC related. Yet, it's very evident that anytime a thread is started about a Mac, several people come into the thread and do just that.

Admittedly, I don't recognize your username as being one of the main culprits for this, but your comment is what I found BS, and I so I quoted and answered it.

I'm gonna go eat my Cheerios now... I hate that I even jumped in this crap, I hate Mac Vs PC BS, but your post coupled with all of the recent sabotage posts in every Mac related topic, just got me.

Cheers!
- Todd

[harroz]

join us, we can be one, we can take over the world, you and us, together we'll conquer!!


:lol: As opposed to the MacHeads that honestly believe Macs are the be all end all when it comes to computers? Seems more like a religious zealotry than anything else.

I mean how many PC users to you see trying to convert Mac users to PC compared to the flip side of that coin?

I had one once and it was a P.O.S. out of the box, even the laa dee daa techs/geniuses couldn't figure out the problem with it.

Never had that problem with any of my PCs'.

[mikekelley]

I had a long bit of text here for awhile, then I deleted it and this is the sum of its parts
-You can build a machine for as little as half the price of the mac pro and still get high-end parts
-overpriced, I'll just upgrade my desktop PC and pick up a new moniter.
-Okay the monitor isn't on the cheap rack, but buying it on its own isn't gonna cost ya 2k.
-I own both a Apple Desktop and a homebuilt Desktop, have used both for video and photo edits. Prefer the feel of even Vista over Leopard(never picked up snow leopard)
-On the "Magic Mouse"
"Forget the mouse as you know it." You know, with it's clunky wheel, cord, and visible button. Did they just bash on their own product? Yes, yes they sure did.
"...and it supports two-button clicking... Like magic"

PASS, HE SHOOTS, HE SCORES.
~EDIT~
I go for quality in my hardware over how 'hip,' 'indie,' or 'attractive' it looks sitting on my desk. My Wacom is pretty enough for the rest of my clunky wheels, and cords, and zip ties laying around.
:lol:

there is more quality in the bezel of an apple monitor than your entire PC combined.

apple reeks of quality, no matter how you slice it. PCs can be great, but they aren't going to win the quality for money race any time soon.

[telles75]

MacHeads = Nikonians

They feel their **** is soooo superior to Canon and PCs. But you get a Nikon and a Mac and suddenly you are a cool kid... Screw that! I am a PC and Canon supporter, but still I am buying that iMac for its screen..LOL...I'll just put a sticker in top of the apple, format the HDD and install Windows 7 :)

[Depth]

:lol:

there is more quality in the bezel of an apple monitor than your entire PC combined.

apple reeks of quality, no matter how you slice it. PCs can be great, but they aren't going to win the quality for money race any time soon.
No...

This is the reason why some PC users have biased opinions about mac users...

[MrContact]

:lol:

there is more quality in the bezel of an apple monitor than your entire PC combined.

apple reeks of quality, no matter how you slice it. PCs can be great, but they aren't going to win the quality for money race any time soon.

Hold on. You must be confused. Just because it looks high quality and sleek or what have you, doesn't mean anything, no seriously, it means nothing.

Go put on your black turtleneck and have a cappuccino in the corner pal.

[telles75]

Go put on your black turtleneck and have a cappuccino in the corner pal.

LMFAO

Actually it should read:

"Go put on your black turtleneck, leave the D3 and have a latte in the corner pal."

[MrContact]

LMFAO

Actually it should read:

"Go put on your black turtleneck, leave the D3 and have a latte in the corner pal."

Maybe so, I left out the ',' to imply that there was no room for discussion, and any further input from him/her would very quickly, be ignored.

[R.Perez]

:lol:

there is more quality in the bezel of an apple monitor than your entire PC combined.

apple reeks of quality, no matter how you slice it. PCs can be great, but they aren't going to win the quality for money race any time soon.



Never heard of Murderbox have you?

http://www.million-dollar-pc.com/systems-2008/murderbox/murderbox.htm

If you don't know what you're talking about, don't talk.

There is more to PC's than POS Dell's made out of plastic.

http://www.million-dollar-pc.com/

[Tony-S]

I'll just put a sticker in top of the apple, format the HDD and install Windows 7 :)

Speaking of Win 7, Apple just released three new ads:

http://www.apple.com/getamac/ads/

Enjoy!

[Depth]

Never heard of Murderbox have you?

http://www.million-dollar-pc.com/systems-2008/murderbox/murderbox.htm

If you don't know what you're talking about, don't talk.

There is more to PC's than POS Dell's made out of plastic.

http://www.million-dollar-pc.com/

Love seeing some of the build logs on XS.

Anyways, you can also custom build comps and get quality parts from brands such as Lian Li and Silverstone.

[TheHoff]

Never heard of Murderbox have you?

http://www.million-dollar-pc.com/systems-2008/murderbox/murderbox.htm

If you don't know what you're talking about, don't talk.

There is more to PC's than POS Dell's made out of plastic.

http://www.million-dollar-pc.com/

WOW those are UGLY. That is the antithesis of the Mac Pro aesthetic.

[Depth]

WOW those are UGLY. That is the antithesis of the Mac Pro aesthetic.
I'm trying not to take sides here, but I'd rather have an "ugly" computer that works perfectly for me than a beautiful one that I despise to use.

[TheHoff]

I'm trying not to take sides here, but I'd rather have an "ugly" computer that works perfectly for me than a beautiful one that I despise to use.

If you have the money to burn you can always install Windows on your Mac Pro and use it just like it was born that way.

I honestly don't care what anyone uses; I've used both and could use both. Apple makes some of the best laptops, period. So that is what I'm using now.

But if you post some links to a 'designer' PC that is supposed to compete with Mac Pros it really shouldn't be that ugly.

[Tony-S]

I'm trying not to take sides here, but I'd rather have an "ugly" computer that works perfectly for me than a beautiful one that I despise to use.

Does anyone else see the irony here? :)

[Depth]

If you have the money to burn you can always install Windows on your Mac Pro and use it just like it was born that way.

I honestly don't care what anyone uses; I've used both and could use both. Apple makes some of the best laptops, period. So that is what I'm using now.

But if you post some links to a 'designer' PC that is supposed to compete with Mac Pros it really shouldn't be that ugly.
Never was meant to compete with Mac Pro's. ;)

Does anyone else see the irony here?

Where's the irony, go back and read my past posts.

[telles75]

Never heard of Murderbox have you?

http://www.million-dollar-pc.com/systems-2008/murderbox/murderbox.htm

If you don't know what you're talking about, don't talk.

There is more to PC's than POS Dell's made out of plastic.

http://www.million-dollar-pc.com/

Can I get a Murderbox i7 for $1K? Cause a decent monitor will be minimum $1K? I can see a gamer using those systems (btw what a beauty!!) but to run Photoshop?
I'll stick with the iMac with Windows 7 installed :)

[MrContact]

Speaking of Win 7, Apple just released three new ads:

http://www.apple.com/getamac/ads/

Enjoy!
"What I know is Pain and Frustration."
If that is what most people on mac are like. Yeah, probably better that you switched.
Don't want you to accidently stab yourself to death when you are trying to open up VLC player.

WOW those are UGLY. That is the antithesis of the Mac Pro aesthetic.
You're kidding right? Those Towers look very nicely put together.

[Tony-S]

"What I know is Pain and Frustration."
If that is what most people on mac are like. Yeah, probably better that you switched.

I never switched. Unless moving from VMS to Unix to OS 7 to OS 8 to OS 9 to OS X is switching.

Don't want you to accidently stab yourself to death when you are trying to open up VLC player.

VLC? Who uses that piece of junk?

[telles75]

"What I know is Pain and Frustration."
You're kidding right? Those Towers look very nicely put together.

I think he was being sarcastic :)

[TheHoff]

You're kidding right? Those Towers look very nicely put together.

My fault -- that specific one isn't horrible but I was judging the rest of the boxes linked on the home page. I didn't realize the site was just a gallery; I thought it was all from the one manufacturer.

[mikekelley]

Never heard of Murderbox have you?

http://www.million-dollar-pc.com/systems-2008/murderbox/murderbox.htm

If you don't know what you're talking about, don't talk.

There is more to PC's than POS Dell's made out of plastic.

http://www.million-dollar-pc.com/

Yes, please show me that with a monitor for $1200 and we can talk.

Read my post again. I currently have built and continue to build my own PCs as I see fit (every two years or so) and I've been doing it since a 1mhz processor was considered the best thing you could buy.

Like I said...I own both. I have built a lot of PCs in my day. At the current price point, 1,200 dollars for a new iMac with the monitor vs. build my own pc and run windoze...its a no brainer really.

[MrContact]

Like I said...I own both. I have built a lot of PCs in my day. At the current price point, 1,200 dollars for a new iMac with the monitor vs. build my own pc and run windoze...its a no brainer really.

Wait, you start from scratch each time?
No Upgrading, just full on Brand new computers?

Thats another thing, Upgrading a Custom Tower is Cake, unless it has changed recently, upgrading Macs is not.

I never switched. Unless moving from VMS to Unix to OS 7 to OS 8 to OS 9 to OS X is switching.
Your safety is all that matters.



VLC? Who uses that piece of junk?
I do, easy, simple, plays lossless audio very well on my system.

[JayCee Images]

VLC? Who uses that piece of junk?

VLC is one of the best video players out there and recognizes and plays nearly any video format known to man...please, id like you to try to name a more complete video player. :rolleyes:

[Depth]

Yes, please show me that with a monitor for $1200 and we can talk.

Read my post again. I currently have built and continue to build my own PCs as I see fit (every two years or so) and I've been doing it since a 1mhz processor was considered the best thing you could buy.

Like I said...I own both. I have built a lot of PCs in my day. At the current price point, 1,200 dollars for a new iMac with the monitor vs. build my own pc and run windoze...its a no brainer really.
I guess it is a no brainer, buy what works for you.

[Tony-S]

VLC is one of the best video players out there and recognizes and plays nearly any video format known to man...

Doesn't handle m2ts files too well.

please, id like you to try to name a more complete video player. :rolleyes:

XBMC or Plex, any day over VLC.

[S-Man]

VLC is one of the best video players out there and recognizes and plays nearly any video format known to man...please, id like you to try to name a more complete video player. :rolleyes:

Certainly not QuickTime or WMP...:lol:

[alt4852]

the antithesis of the Mac Pro aesthetic.

ironically, apple's catchphrase is "think different."

nothing quite accents an individual's unique creativity like buying a product revered for it's simple, uniform design.

Read my post again. I currently have built and continue to build my own PCs as I see fit (every two years or so) and I've been doing it since a 1mhz processor was considered the best thing you could buy.

Like I said...I own both. I have built a lot of PCs in my day. At the current price point, 1,200 dollars for a new iMac with the monitor vs. build my own pc and run windoze...its a no brainer really.

1. mikekelley, i thought you mentioned in another conversation on these forums that you were around my age. unless as a baby, you were assembling commodore 64's.. i think i might have to call you out on the hyperbole that you've been building your own computers since 1mhz was the best that money could buy.

2. a no brainer that people have different needs and blanket statements about one being inherently a better deal is pretty useless? why yes, i agree.

[TheHoff]

ironically, apple's catchphrase is "think different."

Welcome back from 1998.

nothing quite accents an individual's unique creativity like buying a product revered for it's simple, uniform design.

So if something has an aesthetic, it cannot be unique? That's cool. I put indie band and skate company stickers all over mine so it totally looks all rad and sh1t.

[Mastamarek]

I luv the new imac. Its definitely gonna be my next mac.

[TSY87]

nice, thank you. Yes it's ONLY 27" imacs, I know that, I just didn't know if it was ANY input or just macbooks. AWESOME. Almost worth upgrading for just for that.... (I have a 24" from feb).

np! this is actually a huge factor for me... i went to the apple store today to double check... the apple guy didnt know if it would work or not :rolleyes:

but i figure since the 27" i7 isnt available yet anyway, ill just wait and see. BTW... i watched the toy story 3 trailer in hd at the store :lol:


I have always been a PC die hard but I got to say the new iMac 27" with i7 will make me turn into the dark side..DAMN IT! I hate OsX, I am a Software Architect and I think Mac OS is meant for persons with zero technical skills; most Mac users don't know about folder and file structures (the way OS X was designed so even a 3 year old or an 80 year old can use it quickly).

But I just want a dedicated machine to do photography work so I don't care about how bad OS X is, inside of Lightroom and Photoshop everything is the same. And for the ignorant comment that you get the edge by editing in Macs, OMG that has got to be the most ridiculous thing I ever heard. Photoshop is the same thing in Mac or Windows.

So WHY am I buying this iMac if obviously I am a Windows guy? Very simple:

1) The screen: Beautiful IPS screen with the resolution of a 30 inch one. So the screen alone is worth around $1200. So I basically get a nice iCore 7 (and yes to upgrade from the i5 to i7 is only $200, not sure why someone in this thread said it was super expensive) system for $1000, not shabby at all..

2) Compactness: I like to have my desk clutter free so the iMAC is perfect, the keyboard is tiny so I can place my big ass Wacom 4 tablet comfortably anywhere I want. Also for studio shoots I can take the iMac with me in case I am shooting tethered (plug a 5meter USB cable) and you got a killer tether setup.

3) The Mouse: That has got be the coolest apple invention after the iPhone of course. I hated Apple mouses with all my heart (who was the smart ass that thought 1 button was better than 2??) but the new mouse looks amazing!!!

4) Finally just because even though I hate the Mac OS but I have always admitted the aesthetics of Macs are the best. I am a sucker for beautiful designs and no one beats the Macs (PCs look ugly beside the Macs).

But honestly I am totally getting this machine for the screen alone, and actually I find it CHEAP not overpriced at all... Damn is the same price as an 85 f1.2L II , now that glass is surely overpriced. Is funny to hear photographers complaining that a $2K computer is expensive but don't think it twice to spend $8K on a camera body :)

haha you and me think exactly the same... Tried building a system on new egg with similar specs... the iMac actually wins...

[alt4852]

So if something has an aesthetic, it cannot be unique? That's cool. I put indie band and skate company stickers all over mine so it totally looks all rad and sh1t.

the punchline is that most devout mac users i've encountered would all consider personalization in that manner to be defacing their computer. ;)

[regnis]

What, no. You do not multiply the frequency by the number of cores.


A quad core at 3.6ghz is 3.6ghz. No matter how many cores the cpu has, it does not add more frequency.


I just got off the phone with apple. It appears that what turbo dream says apple says

[telles75]

In Conclusion: Although Macs suck and OS X sucks even more, I WILL buy the new iMac 27" for $1700 and use it solely as a glorified monitor. I will connect my PC to the iMac Display port, but never ever use that crappy machine. You think I am nuts?? Well think again because the cheapest high quality monitor that can handle that resolution is the Apple Cinema HD Display (30" flat panel) and is $1900! The NECs, LaCIE and EIZOs are way more expensive (Dells and Samsungs do not count because they are inferior in quality to the Apple Cinema).

[Depth]

I just got off the phone with apple. It appears that what turbo dream says apple says
Well Apple is wrong then. To be more exact, whomever is working tech support should learn how computers work.

[ImRaptor]

I just got off the phone with apple. It appears that what turbo dream says apple says

That's a new level of depressing for marketing.
It's hard enough these days to try and explain the platforms between Phenom systems, and Intel's 1156, 775, 1366 sockets to people. Trying to bank on accumulated frequencies is a poor way to try and sell systems and just going to make things worse.

Took long enough to get people adapted after Prescotts to the core duo and C2D chips that the higher hertz wasn't necessarily the better chip.

I am a little disappointed that it looks like you only get the 1156 platform with this iMac and not the 1366. That really takes the system from a maybe to a no way. I'd like to get just the screen though, I'll just continue to build my own systems.

[TSY87]

In Conclusion: Although Macs suck and OS X sucks even more, I WILL buy the new iMac 27" for $1700 and use it solely as a glorified monitor. I will connect my PC to the iMac Display port, but never ever use that crappy machine. You think I am nuts?? Well think again because the cheapest high quality monitor that can handle that resolution is the Apple Cinema HD Display (30" flat panel) and is $1900! The NECs, LaCIE and EIZOs are way more expensive (Dells and Samsungs do not count because they are inferior in quality to the Apple Cinema).


why not just install windows on the imac?

[20DNewbie]

Honestly, wasn't trying to single out your post in this thread only, as there are several others as well. I quoted yours because of your claim that Mac people try and convert PC people which may or may not be your experience, but at least here on these forums, it is quite the opposite.

Umm.... It is my experience, that's why I said it. I've no idea about what happens regarding the Mac vs. PC debate on forums because I don't follow it. I believe it's a waste of time just as the Canon vs. Nikon debates, get what works for you. As I said I'm still open to the idea of going Mac and that's why I initially looked into this thread.

I truly challenge you to find a thread here where someone is asking about a new motherboard for their PC, or about some new whatever that is PC related, and someone comes in and says, nah.. that's crap. What you want is a Mac. PC's are slow, overpriced, etc...

Why would I waste my time, I've much better things to do than to dredge through endless posts and try to prove someone else wrong unless it's to back up something I've stated.

You just don't see that. You don't see me or most of the other Mac users here on this forum, going out of our way to sabotage threads that are PC related. Yet, it's very evident that anytime a thread is started about a Mac, several people come into the thread and do just that.

Admittedly, I don't recognize your username as being one of the main culprits for this, but your comment is what I found BS, and I so I quoted and answered it.

I would certainly hope not, here's what I've had to say about Macs.

True, if you've got a chance to get to one of the Apple stores go give Apeture a whirl. It alone almost got me to go Mac.Link. (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showpost.php?p=2279120&postcount=26)

Just went through the same dilemma myself with the 24" iMac, the thing that swayed me was the guy at the Apple store said the only thing upgradable after purchase was the ram and HDs'. So to me it was just a MacBook Pro with a detached keyboard and a really big screen as far as I was concerned.

I thought about the 17" MacBook Pro, but wound up getting another PC lappy. Slightly better specs and about $1,100 cheaper so I figure if I really jones for Apeture, I'll just get a MacBook w/Apeture for a little more than I saved.

Good luck in whichever you choose, I know it was a tough one for me.Link. (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showpost.php?p=2337285&postcount=31)

I almost switched over to a Mac last month and bought the 24" iMac. Like you said, in the end it was the upgradability that got me to stay PC. Don't get me wrong, I'd love a MacPro but at that price I'd be able to get a pretty sweet PC setup. Not sure if I'll end up getting my free Vista upgrade or not as some people I know are testing it and say it's a system hog. I'm looking for basic funtionality, not how pretty things look.Link. (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showpost.php?p=2423327&postcount=11)

Other than those and what I've posted in this thread my only other reference to any Apple product seems to be regarding the stupid Apple Connector for using the iPod as a storage device. Which, for anyone that tried to use the iPod as a storage device found out the transfer speed was nothing short of glacial on a good day.

I've even provided links to remove any suspicion as to if I had edited them or not. There they are, in all the original glory including all those embarrassing typos.

Search away if you feel the need to try and out me as a hater, good luck with that.

Unlike many PC and Mac diehards I will use whatever tool makes the job easier to accomplish. If I were ever to get into video you can bet whatever you like I'd be doing it on a Mac. The last class I took I watched one of the other students put together a 38 minute video in less than five minutes, including voice overs and music. Granted he had all the bits and pieces done ahead of time and just had to put it together, it still blew me away how simple it was to get done.

I'm gonna go eat my Cheerios now... I hate that I even jumped in this crap, I hate Mac Vs PC BS, but your post coupled with all of the recent sabotage posts in every Mac related topic, just got me.

Cheers!
- Todd

[20DNewbie]

join us, we can be one, we can take over the world, you and us, together we'll conquer!!

:lol: And that's why I love Kiwis.

Poor mikekelley, having to go from NZ to Boston. http://fc00.deviantart.com/fs32/f/2008/213/0/9/_shudder__Emoticon_by_Dan14Lev.gif

[Artisticmind]

waiting for this:
http://10gui.com/video/

thats just like expose... but this looks really difficult. I love how expose works.

[Mattr!x]

Forgive me if this has been covered i read up to page 3 and gave up!

NOW! you guys think that think they are overpriced! Us aussies pay above and beyond what you pay its a joke! even now with our dollar back up to yours again and we will more than like get stronger than the US in the not too distant future....

So we pay $2599!!! for the quad which i have to admit is the closest its ever been between the two country's.... but sheesh!

Me: I run a intel Hackintosh! this got me really interested in macs (am a PC tech of 12+ years) and have since bought a Mac Pro and now with the new imacs really want one!

[4g63]

To the haters.
There are only two reasons that you don't like them :

a) You've not given a Mac a thorough-enough trial
b) You can't afford one and are jealous

i'm not a Mac user but i concur. i have always thought bout trying Mac but hesitating bout performance. i might give it a try for my next laptop.

[EmmaRose]

Im really surprised at the price actually, yeah its still a lot, but apple could get away with charging 2k and they didnt.. I'm considering this as my first imac.

[alt4852]

i'm not a Mac user but i concur. i have always thought bout trying Mac but hesitating bout performance. i might give it a try for my next laptop.

it takes credibility away when you agree with an absolute statement like that. clearly, those are the ONLY two reasons someone may not like them. :rolleyes:

Im really surprised at the price actually, yeah its still a lot, but apple could get away with charging 2k and they didnt.. I'm considering this as my first imac.

yea, i was a bit surprised too when it was announced. having used macs extensively, i never purchased one for my own due to their cost, but for what you're getting, the new imac certainly is tempting.

[EmmaRose]

it takes credibility away when you agree with an absolute statement like that. clearly, those are the ONLY two reasons someone may not like them. :rolleyes:



yea, i was a bit surprised too when it was announced. having used macs extensively, i never purchased one for my own due to their cost, but for what you're getting, the new imac certainly is tempting.

I have a used , old black macbook that I got pretty cheap. We always use macs at school, but Ive always liked my pc desktops :p It'll be a choice between a new body or a new desktop. We shall see :)

edit: although 27" seems like a lot, dont know if my desk is wide enough, fine for my 24" but not sure about 27 :p

[alt4852]

I have a used , old black macbook that I got pretty cheap. We always use macs at school, but Ive always liked my pc desktops :p It'll be a choice between a new body or a new desktop. We shall see :)

edit: although 27" seems like a lot, dont know if my desk is wide enough, fine for my 24" but not sure about 27 :p

yea, i primarily used macs at school too and the new one makes for a hard decision. i'll still have no qualms about using one for editing, but i'm not too keen on having a mac and a gaming computer separately, especially when money is so tight. since i've never had a problem with viruses or crashing, i saw no reason to part with more of my money than i needed to. why have two systems when you can have one that does everything that you want? ;)

if you're still in school and you have a standard dorm desk, a 27'' will definitely fit. one of my old roommates had a 30'' and although it took up most of his desk and he had to sit back a little from it, he was able to happily use his for two years or so while working with such limited space. you might have to stuff more of your desktop belongs into the cabinets though.

[EmmaRose]

yea, i primarily used macs at school too and the new one makes for a hard decision. i'll still have no qualms about using one for editing, but i'm not too keen on having a mac and a gaming computer separately, especially when money is so tight. since i've never had a problem with viruses or crashing, i saw no reason to part with more of my money than i needed to. why have two systems when you can have one that does everything that you want? ;)

if you're still in school and you have a standard dorm desk, a 27'' will definitely fit. one of my old roommates had a 30'' and although it took up most of his desk and he had to sit back a little from it, he was able to happily use his for two years or so while working with such limited space. you might have to stuff more of your desktop belongs into the cabinets though.

I have a huge huge desk, but I guess with the pc case gone a 27" would really not take up more space. I was talking more about the actual screen being too big.
I do a lot of gaming (mostly css and tf2 lately) but they should run fine on an imac, if they dont thats more time I can spend working on real stuff :p

I did have a huge issue with adobe programs on my pc before, but I seem to have fixed it, which kinda bums me out now because that would've been an excellent excuse to sell my pc :D I'll think about it after christmas. See how generous the husband and parents will be :p

[alt4852]

I have a huge huge desk, but I guess with the pc case gone a 27" would really not take up more space. I was talking more about the actual screen being too big.
I do a lot of gaming (mostly css and tf2 lately) but they should run fine on an imac, if they dont thats more time I can spend working on real stuff :p

I did have a huge issue with adobe programs on my pc before, but I seem to have fixed it, which kinda bums me out now because that would've been an excellent excuse to sell my pc :D I'll think about it after christmas. See how generous the husband and parents will be :p

we'll have to play sometime! hahaha, never thought i'd find people to play games with on potn. i used to play cs:s a lot back in the day, but i mostly stick to tf2 and l4d now. :D

ps: i usually play medic, so if you're a heavy or pyro player, we might be able to have some fun. ;)

[Depth]

I have a huge huge desk, but I guess with the pc case gone a 27" would really not take up more space. I was talking more about the actual screen being too big.
I do a lot of gaming (mostly css and tf2 lately) but they should run fine on an imac, if they dont thats more time I can spend working on real stuff :p

I did have a huge issue with adobe programs on my pc before, but I seem to have fixed it, which kinda bums me out now because that would've been an excellent excuse to sell my pc :D I'll think about it after christmas. See how generous the husband and parents will be :p

TF2 is addicting. :D (love playing Soldier, Heavy, Demo and Spy)

[alt4852]

TF2 is addicting. :D (love playing Soldier, Heavy, Demo and Spy)

pm me your steam name sometime and i'll make sure to add you. i'd love to play with potn people. :D

[EmmaRose]

I'm mostly engi except when my team doesnt cover me (damn spies!) then I turn to pyro. My steam name is emmarose if anybody wants to add me :p
I met my husband on cs:s :oops:

[ingraman]

Fact of the matter is, Macs are designed for people willing to pay a premium for a certain aesthetic, even if the guts aren't significantly different. In photography terms, it's like the difference between a Leica lens and a Canon lens of the same focal length/speed. I'm not a huge fan of Mac or OS X (I've used them enough in college to know that they're not for me), but I understand their target market.

[telles75]

why not just install windows on the imac?

That is actually what I will do, I was just being sarcastic. I have nothing against Apple hardware, I actually like it a lot. Is the OS that gets on my nerves, I hate it will all my heart.

[CAL Imagery]

Just curious, but what is upgradeable/removable from a Mac Pro - the memory and HDDs?

[Depth]

Just curious, but what is upgradeable/removable from a Mac Pro - the memory and HDDs?

Memory, HDD's, and the video cards (kind of, limited to what Apple sells if you're using OS X).

[Tony-S]

Just curious, but what is upgradeable/removable from a Mac Pro - the memory and HDDs?

Memory, HDD's, and the video cards (kind of, limited to what Apple sells if you're using OS X).

And cpu (LGA 1366), which can be purchased from the usual suspects.

[Tony-S]

That is actually what I will do, I was just being sarcastic. I have nothing against Apple hardware, I actually like it a lot. Is the OS that gets on my nerves, I hate it will all my heart.

Anytime I boot in Windows on my computers they always perform slower than under OS X. It's only about 5% to 10% slower, which isn't a big deal, but slower nonetheless.

[Tony-S]

Fact of the matter is, Macs are designed for people willing to pay a premium for a certain aesthetic, even if the guts aren't significantly different.

Economically, it's tough to survive by selling low-cost (thus, low-margin) computers. Look at the trouble Dell's in.

[mikekelley]

ironically, apple's catchphrase is "think different."

nothing quite accents an individual's unique creativity like buying a product revered for it's simple, uniform design.



1. mikekelley, i thought you mentioned in another conversation on these forums that you were around my age. unless as a baby, you were assembling commodore 64's.. i think i might have to call you out on the hyperbole that you've been building your own computers since 1mhz was the best that money could buy.

2. a no brainer that people have different needs and blanket statements about one being inherently a better deal is pretty useless? why yes, i agree.

Heh, for some reason I wrote mhz shoulda been ghz.
23. The year was 1999 when I completed my first build, I was 13 years old. And I do remember playing games on a commodore 64 in my parents house, hooked up to a 13" TV. I still think they've got it kicking around in a closet somewhere.

[ErikM]

I love how every thread that has the word 'mac' in it becomes a mac vs pc thread!! Good times!

[CAL Imagery]

And cpu (LGA 1366), which can be purchased from the usual suspects.
So, basically I can swap out what I would on my DIY, excluding the mobo? What about optical disk drives (because I don't think/know if Macs have Blu-Rays yet)?

[Jaxdialation]

I don't love or hate Macs, most people don't. For the vast majority of the population Macs are irrelevant.



Yeah, funny isn't it with Macs? People either love them or hate them. I'm a software engineer and system administrator in Melbourne, Australia.

My home is a PC-free environment. Macs only.

[Tony-S]

So, basically I can swap out what I would on my DIY, excluding the mobo? What about optical disk drives (because I don't think/know if Macs have Blu-Rays yet)?

You can put any SATA optical drive into a MacPro (avoid IDE drives). You get read ability out of the box with OS X, but you need burning software (e.g., Toast) to write the disc. You do not get Blu-ray Disc support (i.e., movies) since copy protection has to be part of the OS at a very low level and Apple has decided they don't want the imposition from the movie companies (i.e., "bag of hurt").

[telles75]

When do MACs will include eSATA?? Firewire 800 is slow as hell compared to eSATA...

[Tony-S]

When do MACs will include eSATA?? Firewire 800 is slow as hell compared to eSATA...

There are a lot of variables that go into this, but yes, eSATA is about 25%-50% faster on average than FW800 in real-world use. It would be great to have on iMacs (you can get it on the Mac Pros) for second drives, but you cannot daisy chain eSATA like you can FW drives.

[mehran.mo]

There are a lot of variables that go into this, but yes, eSATA is about 25%-50% faster on average than FW800 in real-world use. It would be great to have on iMacs (you can get it on the Mac Pros) for second drives, but you cannot daisy chain eSATA like you can FW drives.

eSATA should be the easiest bus to add. Because it is EXACTLY the same thing as the sata connection except the connector is made to be more durable when connecting and disconnecting. Otherwise it doesnt need to go through anything else. They sell cables where it's normal SATA on one side and eSATA on the other side. So az long as the iMac has a free SATA port, all it needs is a hole on the side with the right female connector.

All decent motherboards have eSATA nowadays. Firewire can actually provide power though, which eSATA cannot do.

[constrict]

lulz x 2.

http://nerdbastards.com/2009/10/20/apple-grill-step-off/#more-3975

[telles75]

lulz x 2.

http://nerdbastards.com/2009/10/20/apple-grill-step-off/#more-3975

Hahaha..That was a cool article... But I am not a hippie broke a.s.s. that uses Ubuntu and eats at Taco Bell nor a sissy OS X capuccino lover that drives a Prius... I will get on my new Audi and drive go get the best desktop I can find in my local computer store, load Windows in it ..say $6000K (that includes a big ass EIZO 30" Flexscan SX3031W) then head to the closest strip joint and spend $500 on lapdances and tequila to celebrate my new purchase...

[R.Perez]

Hahaha..That was a cool article... But I am not a hippie broke a.s.s. that uses Ubuntu and eats at Taco Bell nor a sissy OS X capuccino lover that drives a Prius... I will get on my new Audi and drive go get the best desktop I can find in my local computer store, load Windows in it ..say $6000K (that includes a big ass EIZO 30" Flexscan SX3031W) then head to the closest strip joint and spend $500 on lapdances and tequila to celebrate my new purchase...

Excuse me? WHAT IS WRONG WITH UBUNTU? :cool:

[JayCee Images]

Hahaha..That was a cool article... But I am not a hippie broke a.s.s. that uses Ubuntu and eats at Taco Bell nor a sissy OS X capuccino lover that drives a Prius... I will get on my new Audi and drive go get the best desktop I can find in my local computer store, load Windows in it ..say $6000K (that includes a big ass EIZO 30" Flexscan SX3031W) then head to the closest strip joint and spend $500 on lapdances and tequila to celebrate my new purchase...

Written clearly by another, fresh out of HIGH SCHOOL, jealous, "cant afford a mac", PC owner....

[DeVVitt]

My desk isn't even big enough for 27" (since I have my screen under a roof window).. I also liked the mouse idea. I'd probably swap it for my mouse if I had the choice, and I paid pretty much for this mouse (too much).

[TheHoff]

Bye bye, thread.

http://imgur.com/XchEN.jpg

[airfrogusmc]

I went mac a few months back and will NEVER go back. ;)

Its a tool and for working in graphic programs its the proper tool.

[CAL Imagery]

You can put any SATA optical drive into a MacPro (avoid IDE drives). You get read ability out of the box with OS X, but you need burning software (e.g., Toast) to write the disc. You do not get Blu-ray Disc support (i.e., movies) since copy protection has to be part of the OS at a very low level and Apple has decided they don't want the imposition from the movie companies (i.e., "bag of hurt").
Thanks for the info. Not that I'm going to spend ~$4,000 on a MP when I just built my own computer, but it's nice to know I could upgrade on a MP if I ever go that route.
Its a tool and for working in graphic programs its the proper tool.
How? And don't say "because everyone else in graphics is!" I just want to know how a Mac can edit photos better than my Windows desktop. You have a chance to convert me. Now...go!

[Tony-S]

Thanks for the info. Not that I'm going to spend ~$4,000 on a MP when I just built my own computer, but it's nice to know I could upgrade on a MP if I ever go that route.

I wasn't interested in buying a server-grade computer either, so I build my own quad-core hackintosh. I was thinking about upgrading the mobo and cpu to an i7, but since I'm due for a new display soon, I'm really considering the i7 iMac.

[airfrogusmc]

Thanks for the info. Not that I'm going to spend ~$4,000 on a MP when I just built my own computer, but it's nice to know I could upgrade on a MP if I ever go that route.

How? And don't say "because everyone else in graphics is!" I just want to know how a Mac can edit photos better than my Windows desktop. You have a chance to convert me. Now...go!

I have yet to get a HUNG APP error and have yet to have to computer freeze or crash. ;)

To convert you? I doubt until you seriously sit down for a while with one my words will ever convert you. All I can tell you is I've had it for a couple of months now and I won't be going back. Theres reasons why most people that work in graphics are Mac based and I can tell you after 2 months I know why.

[sheik*yerbouti]

...When I got into photography, a gentleman I was working with did all his editing on his Mac Pro and always had an "edge" over my quality

He was better than you.

When I did get the Mac, it made a considerable difference in my results.

Errrnt. Wrong answer. You just got better.

[Todd Lambert]

I bought a Mac, and I got rich.

I bought a Mac and now I get laid.

I bought a Mac and now everyone thinks I am cool.

I bought a Mac and now I always park in the handicap spot.

I bought a Mac and my toast always lands butter-side up.

I bought a Mac and got a free Pulitzer.

[airfrogusmc]

He was better than you.



Errrnt. Wrong answer. You just got better.

I don't think that end quality if you are using the same programs will be any different just the work flow is faster with FAR less problems. And I can edit a job in less time because of all that and lets not even go into the virus discussion. All I can say again is I switched and I'm more than a little glad I did. Oh and customer service with mac is head and shoulders better.

[airfrogusmc]

I bought a Mac, and I got rich.

I bought a Mac and now I get laid.

I bought a Mac and now everyone thinks I am cool.

I bought a Mac and now I always park in the handicap spot.

I bought a Mac and my toast always lands butter-side up.

I bought a Mac and got a free Pulitzer.

I bought a mac and I get my work done faster with FAR fewer problems and that gives me more time to screw off in silly arguments like this one. If you don't like mac and think there to expensive then rock on I could care less. Mac works for me. But don't try and tell it wasn't a better choice for me cause I know first hand what works better for me and I've owned both platforms.

[Tom Reichner]

Back on topic -
I just checked this new iMac out - awesome! It makes me wish I hadn't bought my 24" iMac. I absolutely love my iMac, but if I had known one with a bigger screen would be coming out I would have saved my money and waited.

[Todd Lambert]

I bought a mac and I get my work done faster with FAR fewer problems and that gives me more time to screw off in silly arguments like this one. If you don't like mac and think there to expensive then rock on I could care less. Mac works for me. But don't try and tell it wasn't a better choice for me cause I know first hand what works better for me and I've owned both platforms.

Hey... don't take that tude with me, mister. ;-) I am a fellow Mac user myself. Just bought a new 17 MBP yesterday to replace my older one, which replaced one before that, which replaced a powerbook before that, which on and on to an original Apple II.

I've been an avid Apple user since the late 70's.

I just saw the posts in here, and my post made me think of new Ad campaign "I bought a Mac and..."

It could be a cool campaign if done tongue in cheek.