Embed ICC in Digital Photo Professional

[Arty]

The local company that I use for printing my photos supply their own ICC. Works OK as a plugin in Photoshop, but I was wondering if it could also be used in canon's own 'Digital Photo Professional' software as I prefer some of the functions in it.

[tzalman]

I don't think so. I tried putting ProPhoto.icc into DPP's icc folder but it didn't show up in the menu.

[Curtis N]

Canon's site:
http://photoworkshop.com/canon/dpp/index.html
Includes this in its list of features of DPP 1.6.1
"Addition of ICC Profiles to JPEG Images: In version 1.0, ICC profiles could not be added to JPEG images. In version 1.1, ICC profiles can be added when JPEG images are saved, in the same way as for TIFF images."

I don't want to hijack this thread, but I've been wondering just what the heck an "ICC profile" is ever since I read that.

I know the subject of printer profiles is complex. I would just like a basic definition of ICC so I can pursue it further.

Apologies to Arty.

[Arty]

As far as I Know.....International Color Configuration. It's an optimised setting for specific inks/papers/printers. My version of DPP is 1.5.0.03. Where abouts did you find the ICC folder tzalman?

[Arty]

OK, found this now. For DPP go; Tools/preferences/colour management. The ICC I wanted to use is listed. From memory tzlaman, when it installed it went into one of the windows system folders. I'll try to find out which one exactly.
For Photoshop, go; Image/mode/assign profile. Or 'convert profile' if you wish.

[tzalman]

Right, you set the default working color space in Preferences and you can change it for a particular raw conversion with Adjustments/Work Color Space. The three options offered are sRGB, AdobeRGB and Wide Gamut RGB. There has been a lot of discussion recently in other forums regarding the use of ProPhotoRGB as a work space, particularly since the appearance of an article on the Luminous Landscape site. ProPhoto is one of the options available with the Adobe Camera Raw converter. I was wondering whether I could get DPP to use it by copying it into DPP's icc folder but it didn't work. (Some programs use the icc files already present in C/Windows/System/Color while others bring their own. In C/Programs/Canon/DPP/Icc there are capture space profiles for various cameras plus the files for the three work spaces.) After examining ProPhoto and Wide Gamut I have decided that Wide Gamut could also be a good choice. The debate mentioned above centers around the question of how large the work space should be; ProPhoto is quite large and Adobe (the usual choice) is medium and sRGB is smallish. Wide Gamut is between ProPhoto and Adobe and so might be a good compromise.

Curtis N. -
You're right, this is a very complex subject. Many others are far more knowledgable than I am, but at the risk of making a real blooper, I'll try to summarize what I know. Icc (or icm) profiles describe the range of colors that a device is capable of capturing (input profile from a camera or scanner) or producing (monitor or printer). In order to correctly display or print an image the colors must be described in terms that are appropriate to the device so the input profile must be translated to an output profile. The problem is that the range (space) of the former is much greater than the latter so losses (of the most saturated colors) will be inevitable. There are also intermediate spaces that are used while editing, these have the advantage of conforming to an international standard and are thus devise-independent. The sRGB space is quite close to the profiles of most monitors and an image converted to sRGB will be displayed more or less correctly (although a profile for your specific monitor would be better). It is therefore the default space for the output (jpg) files of simple p/s cameras, non-color-managed applications and for many printers. AdobeRGB is wider and there is less data lost from the camera's capture range. This color data may be within the capabilities of high quality home or commercial printers or presses. A wide gamut space like ProPhoto will retain almost all the data in the Raw file while editing. How much of it is eventually lost at the print stage will depend on the quality of the hardware involved. One caveat though, if a wide gamut space is chosen it is essential that editing be done in 16 bit depth because an 8 bit image will be stretched too thinly over the large space and gaps (banding) may appear.

[CyberPet]

Talking about ICC-profiles. Is there one for the Canon cameras, i.e. so you can set the "input" as the cameras specific way to interpret sRGB or Adobe RGB?

[UncleDoug]

As far as I Know.....International Color Configuration.

Ok.

MASS CONFUSION!:confused: ??? ???

Please read the post I made this morning.

[CyberPet]

No, that would be Incredible Color Confusion :D

[Arty]

Uncle Doug....what post?

[UncleDoug]

Uncle Doug....what post?

Here ya go!

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=77421