Video FPS

[Jadam]

I know nothing about video. Figured I should start learning as the market seems to be leaning more and more that way every year.

Curious as to what speed people think this video is shot at. Something a 5dII could achieve?

http://www.folkclothing.com/videos/

[Canon Man 50d]

I know nothing about video. Figured I should start learning as the market seems to be leaning more and more that way every year.

Curious as to what speed people think this video is shot at. Something a 5dII could achieve?

http://www.folkclothing.com/videos/

wow 1500 fps a bit slow hey............

[Jadam]

didn't read that bottom part... yea so that would be just a bit out of the 5d's range. :)

[MaliCali]

haha, yes, this is professional slow motion camera work..

when the firmware update comes out early next year with 60i packaged in with 24P/Pal that will give a little bit more slow motion ability, but nothing like this..

[Canon Man 50d]

haha, yes, this is professional slow motion camera work..

when the firmware update comes out early next year with 60i packaged in with 24P/Pal that will give a little bit more slow motion ability, but nothing like this..

Are you referring to 1920x1080 will this be for the 7d and 5d, as the 7d does 60 in 1280x720 already ? where does the information originate from.
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[MaliCali]

Are you referring to 1920x1080 will this be for the 7d and 5d, as the 7d does 60 in 1280x720 already ? where does the information originate from.
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there is a firmware update being released for the 5D that is allowing for it to shoot at 24P/25P/60i...it was announced a couple days ago with the 1DmkIV..

thats what i was referring to as the OP was speaking in regards to the 5D, not 7D

also just to be clear, the 7D shoots 60P vs the 5D that will shoot 60i with the new firmware....one advantage to the dual digic iv's. however most of us film makers could really care less about the 60fps rate, 24P and Pal are what was important....now if the 30P could only be changed to a native 29.97....

[Terjay]

Does the 7D shoot 50 fps in the 25 frames? The Panasonic HVX200 does 50 frames in 25 natively and it makes for quite a cool slow-mo. Not enough to rival a Phantom high-speed but...

Here's a video that we shot on the panasonic 50P/25fps http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxPNjnoarjg

[tupper]

haha, yes, this is professional slow motion camera work..

when the firmware update comes out early next year with 60i packaged in with 24P/Pal that will give a little bit more slow motion ability, but nothing like this..

I think you have that wrong.
I was under the impression that the update will not include 60i but only 24, as the 5D is not capable of 60i because it does not have dual processors like 7D and 1DIV

[MaliCali]

I think you have that wrong.
I was under the impression that the update will not include 60i but only 24, as the 5D is not capable of 60i because it does not have dual processors like 7D and 1DIV

Read Vincent Laforet's blog ;)

but as i just stated in the post the post above, 60P is not capable in the 5D2, due to the processing speed, however 60i is, because it shoots 30p natively already and interlacing the broken 30p frames into 60i isnt something that really takes any more processing power...the quality isnt up there with a native progressively scanned 60fps but it will give the look of it to some extent for those who either want a very video looking appearance, or light slow motion capabilities..

the press release by canon likely only focused on announcing 24P AND 25P...because that is what us filmmakers wanted most, and not to mention everyone knew 60i wouldnt be hard to do due to 30P already being the native framerate, canon just likely didnt feel the need to go officially announce it as well, as it will simply be icing on the cake rather than a much needed updated that has been beaten into the canon phone lines for nearly a year..

[unmouwhi]

Cheers!
Valikie
Out of the many posts, this one attract my attention. I believe it is possible for anyone to participate.
Excellent ! I like it very much.

[tupper]

Read Vincent Laforet's blog ;)

but as i just stated in the post the post above, 60P is not capable in the 5D2, due to the processing speed, however 60i is, because it shoots 30p natively already and interlacing the broken 30p frames into 60i isnt something that really takes any more processing power...the quality isnt up there with a native progressively scanned 60fps but it will give the look of it to some extent for those who either want a very video looking appearance, or light slow motion capabilities..

the press release by canon likely only focused on announcing 24P AND 25P...because that is what us filmmakers wanted most, and not to mention everyone knew 60i wouldnt be hard to do due to 30P already being the native framerate, canon just likely didnt feel the need to go officially announce it as well, as it will simply be icing on the cake rather than a much needed updated that has been beaten into the canon phone lines for nearly a year..

My bad.
Thanks for clearing that up :cool:

[maxsideburn]

I remember we once rented a professional high-speed camera capable of shooting up to 300,000fps. It was cool what you could do with it, but you needed SERIOUS light. I'm talking daylight plus a bunch of studio lights. On top of that it was such a pain to use, since the video was captured by a laptop they sent with it, and after every 5 second run the computer had to chew on data for like an hour.

[capt3450]

The closest one and affordable for consumer camera is Casio EX-F1 is about < 1K versus Phantom HD for about $100K (I think). For super slow motion 5D2 or 7D couldn't comes near. With a lot of PP the Casio's footage looks decent in slow motion plus this camera can take a 60 fps still shoot.
-capt3450

[maxsideburn]

I've had a chance to play with the EX-F1. It's a pretty decent little still camera, but the HD video isn't as good as the video from a DSLR. As for the high speed, it is surprisingly decent, but there are some major drawbacks.

It shoots up to 1200fps...but at a very small resolution, 336x96. The most useful would probably be 300fps, at 512x384, which isn't too far off of the native DV resolution of 720x480.

Of course this camera also requires massive amounts of light in the high speed modes. Indoor shoots under normal lighting will be difficult, and if you've got flourescent lights you'll see them flickering like crazy.

In the end we ended up sending the EX-F1 back. Sure it was neat...but for $1000 we got a still camera that wasn't as good as a basic DSLR, a video camera that wasn't as good as a $700 HV30, and a neat high-speed feature that only worked well in outdoor lighting and shots had to be set up and thought out really well ahead of time.

If I had the $1000 to blow, sure I'd get an EX-F1 and I'd have a blast with it, I just couldn't justify that money for a camera that I'd ONLY be using for high-speed shots.


As a side note the Sony FX7 has a function called "Smooth Slow Record" which allows it to shoot at 120fps. Samsung HMX20C can also do 300fps at 448x336.

[maxsideburn]

I've had a chance to play with the EX-F1. It's a pretty decent little still camera, but the HD video isn't as good as the video from a DSLR. As for the high speed, it is surprisingly decent, but there are some major drawbacks.

It shoots up to 1200fps...but at a very small resolution, 336x96. The most useful would probably be 300fps, at 512x384, which isn't too far off of the native DV resolution of 720x480.

Of course this camera also requires massive amounts of light in the high speed modes. Indoor shoots under normal lighting will be difficult, and if you've got flourescent lights you'll see them flickering like crazy.

In the end we ended up sending the EX-F1 back. Sure it was neat...but for $1000 we got a still camera that wasn't as good as a basic DSLR, a video camera that wasn't as good as a $700 HV30, and a neat high-speed feature that only worked well in outdoor lighting and shots had to be set up and thought out really well ahead of time.

If I had the $1000 to blow, sure I'd get an EX-F1 and I'd have a blast with it, I just couldn't justify that money for a camera that I'd ONLY be using for high-speed shots.


As a side note the Sony FX7 has a function called "Smooth Slow Record" which allows it to shoot at 120fps. Samsung HMX20C can also do 300fps at 448x336.