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7th of February 2003 (Fri), 10:57

Well most are getting that price for D30's. The camera sold for $3,000 new. And the new Sigma digital which is around $1,700 in sigma mount only. So were do canon users get a good deal? On used D30's thats were you should be willing to pay around $1500 to $1600 or so on a D30. The D60 is in short supply and the new camera on the way most likley will be in short supply as well. So get ready to pay or get ready to wait. I am ready to sell one of my used D60's to a local photographer and he is willing to pay the Full price I paid for the camera. So good luck and you may find some one who has a good deal. Have a great day.

colmeg

7th of February 2003 (Fri), 12:35

try www.keh.com

colin

elm54

7th of February 2003 (Fri), 15:51

try Ebay. these cameras availability speak for their value

rickm

7th of February 2003 (Fri), 20:52

legoarmyman wrote:
That makes no sense... The D60 is twice as good as the D30, Problem is, it's not. Sure, there are several upgrades and twice the pixels, but bottom line is that it's hard to tell the difference between a D30 & D60 image for anything on screen or printed 5x7 or less. The D30 can command those prices simply because the D60 is not "twice" as good.

uglyjo

10th of February 2003 (Mon), 03:22

I have a Canon D30 for sale due to an upgrade. can provide full photos of camera etc. Email me if you are interested at birding.optics@ntlworld.com

BamaPhotoM

10th of February 2003 (Mon), 18:08

I have a D-30 for sale I have 2 and I am gonna upgrade. Email if you are interested . Probably gonna let it go for about $1200

John-M

16th of February 2003 (Sun), 06:15

Last week I was talking to the Canon dealer I have worked with for a few years (He is the largest Canon PRO dealer in my state). He told me that me expects to come back from the show with 40 to 50 orders for the new D model and he offers trade-ins.

Some of his corporate and Pro customers don't want to hassle with selling a used camera and then buying a new one, one PO and boom they have a new camera the day the new model arrives. Kind of like those who just trade in a used car for a new car, you know you are getting shafted but it is sooo easy.

His guess was that the resale prices would drop quite a bit on the D30 and D60 after the new models comes out. (Hint to owners sell your used camera now before the show- Hint to those of us that want a D60 wait until after the show). Downside? He did tell me that it might be 3 or 4 months until he could get me a used D60 at a good price.

As to the poster that said the D30 released at $3000 so it must be worth a lot, well I wonder if he wants my old IBM PC-AT that I paid $3000 for? I'll give him a good deal ! Or maybe he wants my Direct Tv box that i bought for $800 - (It was the FIRST unit Circuit City sold many years ago).

The price drop of early models in a new technology is a historic trend in electronics, those that are "early adapters" pay a lot and get little on resale. It costs to be the first kid on the block with a new toy!

JohnM

monsterstock

17th of February 2003 (Mon), 20:12

I have a D30 that has been slightly used. still have the box and an extra set of batteries $120 and a power grip, $300.

I'll sell it all for $1200

LegoArmyMan

18th of February 2003 (Tue), 16:57

You're right about waiting until after the show, but I can't even see why they would be so expensive now. It is completely horrible to sell a USED D30 for $1200 when I can buy a BRAND NEW D60 for $1800. It would make sense to sell a NEW D30 for $1200, or a USED D60 for $1200, but I can easily go out and buy a brand new D60 for $1800 (don't debate with me on availability or pricing, I can guarantee this)

So why would I pay $1200 for a USED camera in this circumstance? The point in buying used is to get a deal. This price difference is not a deal, it's what we would see if the cameras were brand new. It might make sense to see a brand new D30 for $1200 and a brand new D60 for $1800, although this is stretching the price on the D30 a little because the D60 is just about twice as good.

People need to understand that you can't sell something based on how much you bought it for, you have to sell based on how much you can buy a comparable new camera for now. Since you can buy a D60 for $1800 now, you take off 1/3 because we want to price a D30, not a D60, and you take another 1/3 off because it is used. But let's give the seller some credit here and just take off a half. You're still selling it for $300 more than you should be. I would willingly pay $900 for a D30, and even cover the shipping, because this is a reasonable price. But no one should be willing to pay $1200... that's just extortion!

I will be waiting until the show to buy a camera, I guess. If anyone wants to upgrade to a new camera, and doesn't want to get a horrible trade-in deal, e-mail me at Lego_Army_Man@excite.com, and we'll talk.

P.S. Think about the fact that it's for a good cause. I'm a college student and want to take pictures for the photo club and newspaper.

Rudi

18th of February 2003 (Tue), 18:02

legoarmyman wrote:
The D60 is twice as good as the D30

Please explain to me why the D60 is twice as good as the D30. Have you used either camera?

Rudi

18th of February 2003 (Tue), 18:08

LegoArmyMan wrote:
You're right about waiting until after the show, but I can't even see why they would be so expensive now. It is completely horrible to sell a USED D30 for $1200 when I can buy a BRAND NEW D60 for $1800. It would make sense to sell a NEW D30 for $1200, or a USED D60 for $1200, but I can easily go out and buy a brand new D60 for $1800 (don't debate with me on availability or pricing, I can guarantee this)

So go and buy one! Why complain about the second-hand prices if you think that you can get a new camera for a better deal (bang for the buck)? If you can't afford either one, then wait until you can. Simple!

Most s/h D30's sell for above $1000 because they are a good camera (better in some respects than the D60), have been lightly used, and include extras and accessories.

If you think you can get a D60 for $1800 though, then go for it! (You'll find that you will need to buy the charger, battery, etc. separately!).

whenry6000

21st of February 2003 (Fri), 13:30

Did you find a camera?? HTere are still several good ones out there. I saw someone selling theirs for $850 just about a week ago, but they usually go for $1000-$1200. Check out some of the other websites such as Rob Galbraith's (www.robgalbraith.com) or www.imaging-resource.com. They have classified sections and there are often good deals to be found.

BamaPhotoM

22nd of February 2003 (Sat), 17:19

I think legoman is trying to get a camera for NOTHING !!!!!

imago57

23rd of February 2003 (Sun), 18:40

Used cameras, just like anything else follow the market law of demand and supply. The D30 is no longer being produced, and the D60 is still hard to get.
Why are you so outraged by this simple fact?
You can get a G2 or G3 that will give you the same pixels of the D30 and go by untill you'll be able to afford a D60.

Rudi

23rd of February 2003 (Sun), 22:39

legoarmyman wrote:
P.S. Yes, I have used both the D60 and the D30, and I would assert that the D60 is twice as good for many reasons. Higher resolution, easier connectivity, longer battery life, better low-light correctivity. The list goes on and on. A lot of the upgrades the D60 makes aren't widely known, but they are certainly there.

Higher resolution - YES, but nothing mind blowing. It does have twice as many pixels, though.

Easier connectivity - ??? How is the D60 easier? ???

Longer battery life - NO, the D30/D60 use the same batteries, and the batteries last about the same.

Better low light correctivity - ??? The D30 is actually better at low light because of the larger pixel pitch. The pixels tend to collect more light as a result. Of course, the D30 also has ISO 1600 vs. only ISO 1000 for the D60. At very long exposures, the D60 has a slightly better noise reduction (the D30 is a pain in that you have to wait for the noise reduction), but at "normal" low-light, the D30 should be (and was, in my experience) AT LEAST as good as the D60...

I put a friend's D60 through its paces when I shot his wedding, and the D60 "disappointed" me in the fact that it was no better than my D30. In fact, for normal shooting I much prefer my D30, for a variety of reasons. Personally, apart from the number of pixels, I do not consider the D60 an "upgrade" from the D30 at all.

imago57

24th of February 2003 (Mon), 09:35

Evn, you don't seem like a jerk, and it is very understandable your frustration with having all those lenses and not being able to use them. On the other hand, there are other expenses related to buying a digital camera beside the body. You'll need memory, lots of memory, and a firewire memory card reader (unless you are ready to drink loads of coffe while waiting for the camera to download a 1 Gb card to your computer), a spare battery, a digital wallet for on field storage ...etc., etc. I am finding this out as I go.
Good luck.
Massimo

wolverine

24th of February 2003 (Mon), 17:52

Evn,

I have to agree with Massimo. I have had my D60 for about 6 months. Now, don't get me wrong, it never siezes to amaze me the images that it is capable of producing. But after the purchase, I found myself needing more and more hardware. First I needed a bigger CF card. Because I quickly learned that shooting in RAW format is to only way to get the results that I want(Portraits/Weddings). Then, I needed to buy a firewire card and CF card reader. Because downloading a full 256meg card takes painfully long. The most important thing to realize is that you will need expensive, fast lenses just to get satisfactory AF. One too many times I found myself wanting to pitch my camera at the nearest wall, because the "hunting" AF made me lose a good shot. I can't help but think that the money I spent on my D60 could have gotten me an EOS 3 with blistering fast AF (compared to MY turtle) and perhaps another L lens.

John

John-M

28th of February 2003 (Fri), 12:20

John-M wrote:

His guess was that the resale prices would drop quite a bit on the D30 and D60 after the new models comes out. (Hint to owners sell your used camera now before the show- Hint to those of us that want a D60 wait until after the show).

The price drop of early models in a new technology is a historic trend in electronics, those that are "early adapters" pay a lot and get little on resale. It costs to be the first kid on the block with a new toy!

JohnM

LegoArmyMan,

Aren't you glad you waited ! I bet you pick up a D60 for under a grand. (That's only 499 less than a brand new 10D). I think it's time for me to get a D60 to go with all that good glass I have bought since I got my A2E. I might even hold out and spend an extra $500 and get the 10D.

Canon hit the price point right on the head, I'll spend $1500 to get into a good digital camera, but $2300 was a bit steep. As for all you who bought early, I envy the head start in digital photography you got by buying early. I'll glad that the early models will trickle down to those of us on a tighter budget.

JohnM

Rudi

1st of March 2003 (Sat), 19:28

Evn,

Up till now, you still didn't seem like a jerk, but I am certainly about to change my mind about you... AFAIK, no one here said they were getting $1800 for their D30. The top price range for one with accessories was around $1200, IIRC.

FWIW, my D30 is worth at least that, as it is better than when it came out of the Canon factory (just got it back from Canon, after I got them to tune it up a little, still under warranty). It's a moot point, as it's not for sale anyway, BUT (if I was selling) I'd want $1100-$1200 for it with the vertical grip and extra battery, including all original accessories. (NOTE: I don't live in the US, so your local market does not affect me much. I do realise that in your neck of the woods there are lots of people that upgrade every time a new camera comes out, just because they can, and that this does affect the value of second-hand cameras in the market. The Canon 10D pricing will certainly put a lot of pressure on these prices, but I also know at least a handful of photographers *living in the US* who are still looking for backup D30's in preference to the D60, so it's not all black-and-white... :))

I tend to do that with cameras: my Coolpix 990 was fixed by Nikon under warranty until *I* was satisfied with it, and it ended up being a better camera than a brand new one.

All that said, I am the first name on the waiting list at my local dealer for the 10D. It will be quite an improvement over the D30 (which the D60 was, but not as much...). The D30 will make a great backup body, and will be handy at weddings, when I need to have two different lenses attached to two different cameras, so as not to miss any photo ops.

To follow your logic even further: If you wait another 10 years, you should be able to get a D30 for free.... maybe you should wait! :p BOTTOM LINE: The market will decide what any second-hand camera will be worth, so it's a waste of time for you to stand here, beating your chest...

martcol

3rd of March 2003 (Mon), 12:41

Wow! How many different ways can it be said? You want one: go get one. If you can't afford it you wait like the rest of us.

If you or anyone, sells used equipment it's worth what you can get for it. Market forces and all that. Canon stuff is dear we Know. Same thing happened with my G2; the G3 is cheaper and the resale value of mine has tumbled. I'm gutted.

Still, if you decide not to get your D3O, I expect youI want to sell those lenses you got, really cheap? Post them here first!

Martin.

Rudi

3rd of March 2003 (Mon), 15:41

legoarmyman wrote:
The point was to see if anyone was selling any Canon digital cameras at a good price. Obviously, everyone is a moron and no one is doing so.

Evn,

My "jerk" comment was tongue-in-cheek, and was not intended to make things personal (my apologies if it offended). What it WAS meant to do is highlight your somewhat provocative comments, such as above... What you are saying, then, is that everyone is a jerk because they don't want to sell their perfectly good D30s for a huge loss? (I keep telling you, the D30 is a *good* camera, and the only cheap ones will be the ones sold by people who just have to upgrade and cannot afford to keep theirs, and even some of them will go for more than you are willing to pay...).

The 10D pricing will certainly put the pressure on the D30/D60 prices, but again, market forces will determine the final outcome, not "the morons" selling their D30s for too much money... :)

Rudi

3rd of March 2003 (Mon), 15:44

martcol wrote:
Still, if you decide not to get your D3O, I expect youI want to sell those lenses you got, really cheap? Post them here first!

Martin,

LOL

Thank you for explaining "market forces" to Evn with that statement better than I ever could... :)

Mr. Fogle

3rd of March 2003 (Mon), 19:40

Another buyer trying to make sense of the price of a used D-30. Simply put, I have a 30 and a 60 and you don't.

Slow

4th of March 2003 (Tue), 01:13

I am a recent member and had hoped that this forum was going to be different from all the other forums out there.... free from the childish name calling ,spiteful comments and people taking offence (incorrectly) at someone elses freely expressed point of view.... Seems that I was wrong!

martcol

4th of March 2003 (Tue), 03:48

Slow wrote:
free from the childish name calling ,spiteful comments and people taking offence

Ye-hah!

This forum's great! I'm not a spiteful, name-calling offender either! Still, you got a right to say things I got a right to feel!

Also, you've got far too much camera gear; that can't be healthy? (that's called a joke - you know, sense of humour and all that confusing stuff.

Anyway, keep coming in, say what you want about cameras etc and enjoy!

Martin

Slow

4th of March 2003 (Tue), 11:51

"Also, you've got far too much camera gear; that can't be healthy?
Martin"

My wife agree's with you about that! ;.)

Dave Brokos

4th of March 2003 (Tue), 13:17

legoarmyman wrote:
I was looking for a good condition used EOS digital camera. I know that Canon discontinued the EOS-D30 a while back and they are now discontinuing the D60, and will be announcing the new camera very shortly in march at AMP. I was looking, ideally, for a D30 in good condition. All the D30s online that I have found have been dealers who can't get their acts together and are trying to sell them for the same price as D60s (the cheapest I have found is about $1800).

Is anyone selling their old D30, or know where I can buy one? (I would also be willing to consider buying a D60 if the price is right)... I don't want to pay full MSRP when the camera was discontinued and they offer a brand new model with better features for the SAME MSRP.

Thanks!

Dave Brokos

4th of March 2003 (Tue), 13:19

I am selling a like new D60 for $1200> Body only
email me if your interested. crossbow@adelphia.net

Dave Brokos

4th of March 2003 (Tue), 13:22

legoarmyman wrote:
Everyone who told me about how they were getting $1800 for their D30s can go wallow in the mud. Canon has finally gotten their act together, and now it's time for all of you to do the same.

The 10D has come out for $1500, so anyone currently paying that for used D30s or D60s is an idiot. I was thinking of going for the 10D, but it's still a little out of my price range.

If anyone is looking to trade up, I'd be willing to talk about your old D60 or D30. Let me know, Lego_Army_Man@excite.com or Evn.Tomeny@students.siena.edu

Thanks everyone!

-Evn

Dave Brokos

4th of March 2003 (Tue), 13:25

selling d60 for $1200 like new. moving up to 11mb
crossbow@adelphia.net

Dave Brokos

4th of March 2003 (Tue), 13:26

jmamer

4th of March 2003 (Tue), 21:51

Have to admit, even as a current D60 owner, the current prices of D30's and D60's seem a trifle high. Of course, an object is worth what ever someone is willing to pay for it, that's an axiom of the free market. And Ebay is certainly an exemplar of the free market. The problem is that people have different opinions about vaule and willingnesses to pay for any given object. If I think a D30 is worth $800 and bid that much on ebay and it goes to someone else for $1200, that does not make them, prima facie, an "idiot". They placed a different value on the D30 from the value I placed on it. If the transaction takes place at $1200, I am wrong, the "market value" of the D30 was $1200. That's a tautology.

O.K. so why are the prices so high? Let's assume the prices we see on Ebay, CDW, BHPhoto, etc for D30's and D60's are not the result of a worldwide conspiracy by idiots. My best guess is that it's Canon's dismal "on time" performance with the D60 that's doing it. Nobody really expects them to meet their announced availability dates. Everyone remembers the situation with the D60. So put yourself in the shoes of someone who's into digital photography and will embark on their first and only African safari on April 20 of this year. Suppose this person wants to record the event digitally in very high resolution and already owns some L series glass. What do you do? Trust that Canon will have sufficient 10D's available by departure time? Or pick up a used (or new left over) D30/D60 at about the price of a 10D? You'r spending $15k on the vacation, what's another $1.5k on a soon-to-be-obsolete but available-now camera body? Is this person an "idiot" for paying $1.5k+ for a new D60? Of course, that's just a hypothetical scenario, but you get the idea.

So what do do? Wait, and you won't have to wait long. If I'm right and Canon makes good on its supply claims, prices will fall quickly. If Canon bungles supply yet again, expect D60's and D30's to stay pricey until Canon get it straightened out (maybe on the next model). But not until then. Either way we'll know in a few months.
Hang in there, prices will come down, just look at PC's.

jm

randolph001

5th of March 2003 (Wed), 01:46

The point in this post was not whether or not I am a jerk (that can't be learned here as I am not attempting to impress anyone) The point was to see if anyone was selling any Canon digital cameras at a good price. Obviously, everyone is a moron and no one is doing so.

moron?....D30's are great cameras, and well worth a grand......regardless of new products......I for one, would sell my D60, packaged with a 50mm 1.8, and a 28-135 3.5-5.6 IS, along with all the accessories, for about 1800.00 .....thats 500 bucks worth of glass, and 1300 for the camera.....I could very easily get that on ebay right now, if I wanted.....and thats giving someone some decent lenses to get started with.....I don't feel like I'm a moron for that....seems like a fair deal to me.....The market bears what it does. That doesn't make people trying to recoop as much of their investment as they can, a moron