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Jimlevitt
8th of November 2009 (Sun), 17:10
I'm very late to this party, but I'm sure there are many other 1D3 owners who will be using these cameras for a long time to come. I picked one up used last summer before a weeklong music workshop that I cover. I wanted it for the low-light capability and for the 19 cross-type AF sensors, much better for composition than the nine-point diamond pattern of the xxD and xD cameras.

My preference is to put a focus point on the face of the performer. I am generally in servo mode, utilizing rear-button AF so I can lock focus if the performer remains still, or if I need to focus/recompose. Most of the venues where I photograph (jazz, mostly) are not brightly lit. Iso 1600 or 3200 is the norm, close to wide open on the lenses, shutter speeds ranging downwards (slower) from 1/125th. My 40D bodies did ok for focus in these places; I moved to a 5D2 and 1D3 for higher iso capability, and, in the case of the 1D3, better autofocus.

I sent the 1D3 to Canon (Virginia) immediately for the most recent AF adjustment. Even so, the camera gave me a higher percentage of misfocused photos than I expected. So I sent it to Irvine, along with a disc of photos showing the camera either not acquiring focus, or getting a good first photo in a sequence and then losing its grip. Canon worked it over again, noting that the AF had been misadjusted (great! what did the Virgina facility do???)

Last night I used the 1D3 and 5D2 at two venues. Once again, the 1D3 gave me a ridiculously high percentage of misfocused frames: more than 50%, especially if I fired off a burst. No joke: I got a higher keeper rate using the outer points of the much-maligned 5D2 than I did from the 1D3. Most of the evening I was working with fast primes, from 24mm to 135mm.

Before I send this camera to Canon for a third time, I'd like to hear from those of you who are using the 1D3 successfully. Are you able to lock and hold focus in servo mode when using the outer AF points? Do you need to set tracking sensitivity slower or faster? I set mine to -1 on speed last night, but it seemed to make no difference. I am not using any assist points, sticking to a single chosen AF point. There are too many microphone stands, cymbal stands around the drum kit, etc, for me to risk the camera wandering off the chosen point to a "helper" point instead.

I have been assuming that I can place a focus point on the performer, obtain focus, and then hold that focus in servo mode for several seconds so long as I hold down the AF-ON button. That way, if the musician leans one way or another, I can capture the changing expressions as part of a four or five frame sequence. Instead, I might get the first photo in focus, but most of the rest go out of focus. As I said, even the 5D2 is doing a better job at this for me. Same lens, same situation. Only problem is, the AF point layout on the 5D2 is so limiting compositionally compared to the 1D3.

Am I doing something grossly wrong with the 1D3? Or is my camera body not functioning properly?

All this is has me wondering about life on the Nikon side of the fence. It'd be a lot easier to stay put in Canon-land, but only if the cameras focus as necessary.

I've done a search for previous threads on this topic. If there's a thread of particular relevance, please point me in the proper direction. Most of the discussions of 1D3 focus issues have been about sports or birds-in-flight, not quite the sort of work we do in concert and performance situations.

thanks,

Jim

DDCSD
9th of November 2009 (Mon), 00:09
Can we see some samples of the bursts? Are you shooting at 10 fps? What are you using for AF expansion?

Jimlevitt
9th of November 2009 (Mon), 00:43
OK, here's a short burst, three frames. The sax player wasn't moving at this point. 50/1.4, at 1/40th (but I was braced at the time; I think you'll see that the focus has shifted, rather than camera shake being a problem.)

I've made quick "proofs" using Breezebrowser. This should preserve the focus point information, so if you have either Breezebrowser or the Canon software that shows the illuminated focus points you can see that my focus point remained right where the black saxophone mouthpiece meets the player's mouth. It's the vertical-most focus point, right on the center line.

The first frame is not in focus. The second frame is in focus. The third frame is out again. (I just realized we're limited to two attachments. So what's here is the first frame, and then the second, in focus frame. Third frame to follow.) Please ignore the white balance - there was no attempt to straighten these up.

No assist points in use, just the one focus point. Continuous low, 3 frames per second.

Jimlevitt
9th of November 2009 (Mon), 00:47
Here's the third frame in the sequence. First frame was OOF, second was in focus, this one is out again.

Jimlevitt
9th of November 2009 (Mon), 00:55
One more try, with a bit more sharpening applied, since these all looked way too soft when posted here on POTN. Here are the first two frames again.

René Damkot
9th of November 2009 (Mon), 05:54
My 1D3 certainly does not behave that way.
My 1D2 used to (but not this bad) before I had it fixed. (Which improved things, but it never got 100% good).

My 1D3 is leagues better. If an image is OoF, it's usually either user error or one of two lenses I have that need repair because the focus is too stiff :rolleyes:

Stuff like you posted might happen occasionally, but more in the 10% range (if that)

blackshadow
9th of November 2009 (Mon), 06:47
My 1D3 certainly does not behave that way.

Either does mine.

It will be interesting to see how mine behaves after having the shutter assembly replaced (not due to AF problems - it was an Err 99 problem)

DDCSD
9th of November 2009 (Mon), 08:30
Boy, those aren't just a little OOF. Assuming its not user error (which it doesn't appear to be), I'd personally give it another vacation to Canon.

AssassinJN
7th of December 2009 (Mon), 10:13
If you find that your oof shots are typically from a single lens (or mostly), I would suggest sending that lens along with the body. Sometimes things can be within specs for the body and the lens, but if they are towards the extents in opposing directions the results can be sub-standard.