Cybersyncs fire 580, 580 fire two 430s?

[dcsmith40D]

Is it possible to combine radio triggers and ir triggers in the same shot?

I did try it for a few minutes when I first got the 430s, however, I think the batteries were dead on one of the cybersyncs. So I don't know if it would work or not.

[dcsmith40D]

Was that a dumb question?

[dmeiselman]

um, to the best of my knowledge, it doesn't work like that. If the 580 is being triggered wirelessly, it's a slave, meaning it can't trigger other flashes. I believe it would work with the new pocketwizard ttl system, but not with a simple wireless slave like the cybersync.

[Rey.dos]

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=781574

Post #3

[PacAce]

No, it's not a dumb question. Take a look at the following threads. :)

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=437472

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=522159

[PacAce]

um, to the best of my knowledge, it doesn't work like that. If the 580 is being triggered wirelessly, it's a slave, meaning it can't trigger other flashes. I believe it would work with the new pocketwizard ttl system, but not with a simple wireless slave like the cybersync.


http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=781574

Post #3

Take a look at post #6 in that same thread Rey.dos linked to above. ;)

[dcsmith40D]

hybrid triggering?

[PacAce]

hybrid triggering?

Yes because RF is used to trigger a flash connected to an RF remote receiver. And if that flash is a 580EX flash set up as a master, it can, in turn, be used to wireless trigger EX slaves using IR.

Of course, it's also possible to use both triggering system simultaneously but independently of each other by having the master sit on the camera hot shoe and the RF transmitter connected to the PC port. No ETTL, though. Manual mode only.

[dcsmith40D]

Yes because RF is used to trigger a flash connected to an RF remote receiver. And if that flash is a 580EX flash set up as a master, it can, in turn, be used to wireless trigger EX slaves using IR.

Of course, it's also possible to use both triggering system simultaneously but independently of each other by having the master sit on the camera hot shoe and the RF transmitter connected to the PC port. No ETTL, though.

I know I am a little slow... but, all those reading assignments seem to suggest I have to use a hot shoe adapter. The reading assignments seemed to be related to pw.

I'm not seeing the whole picture, so to speak. I don't understand using a hot shoe adapter and pc cord. My intentions were to have 3 off camera flashes, my 580 and the 2 430s. The cybersync sits in the hot shoe, not requiring an adaptor or pc cord. Like I said, I don't see the whole picture.

[PacAce]

I know I am a little slow... but, all those reading assignments seem to suggest I have to use a hot shoe adapter. The reading assignments seemed to be related to pw.

I'm not seeing the whole picture, so to speak. I don't understand using a hot shoe adapter and pc cord. My intentions were to have 3 off camera flashes, my 580 and the 2 430s. The cybersync sits in the hot shoe, not requiring an adaptor or pc cord. Like I said, I don't see the whole picture.
Let me see if I can present the whole picture for you.

1) As you said, the CyberSync Tx unit sits on top of the camera.

2) The CyberSync Rx unit is connected to the 580EX II which has been set to Master mode so that it can trigger the 430EX slave flashes.

Now here's the catch. Because the 580EX II is not mounted directly in the hotshoe, you will not be able to use E-TTL mode on the flash. So it'll need to be set to Manual mode. So now, you have the 580EX II in Manual-Master mode. Which brings up another "gotcha". In Manual-Master mode, the PC port of the 580EX II is disabled. So, you won't be able to connect the CyberSync RX unit to the 580EX II via the PC port. That means that you will need to get a hotshoe adapter to connect the flash to the CyberSync RX unit.

3) The slave 430EX flashes can be set to manual mode and its power level set manual on the flash units themselves. It's also possible to set the slaves to ETTL mode and control their power output via the master using ratio but I'm not going to elaborate on that here.

4) One last thing that needs to be set up before using this hybrid configuration is to set the shutter speed on the camera to 1/125 if the max sync speed of the camera is 1/250 or 1/100 if the max sync is 1/200.

[dcsmith40D]

Let me see if I can present the whole picture for you.

1) As you said, the CyberSync Tx unit sits on top of the camera.

2) The CyberSync Rx unit is connected to the 580EX II which has been set to Master mode so that it can trigger the 430EX slave flashes.

Now here's the catch. Because the 580EX II is not mounted directly in the hotshoe, you will not be able to use E-TTL mode on the flash. So it'll need to be set to Manual mode. So now, you have the 580EX II in Manual-Master mode. Which brings up another "gotcha". In Manual-Master mode, the PC port of the 580EX II is disabled. So, you won't be able to connect the CyberSync RX unit to the 580EX II via the PC port. That means that you will need to get a hotshoe adapter to connect the flash to the CyberSync RX unit.

3) The slave 430EX flashes can be set to manual mode and its power level set manual on the flash units themselves. It's also possible to set the slaves to ETTL mode and control their power output via the master using ratio but I'm not going to elaborate on that here.

4) One last thing that needs to be set up before using this hybrid configuration is to set the shutter speed on the camera to 1/125 if the max sync speed of the camera is 1/250 or 1/100 if the max sync is 1/200.

That, I can follow. Thanks

[dcsmith40D]

Let me see if I can present the whole picture for you.

1) As you said, the CyberSync Tx unit sits on top of the camera.

2) The CyberSync Rx unit is connected to the 580EX II which has been set to Master mode so that it can trigger the 430EX slave flashes.

Now here's the catch. Because the 580EX II is not mounted directly in the hotshoe, you will not be able to use E-TTL mode on the flash. So it'll need to be set to Manual mode. So now, you have the 580EX II in Manual-Master mode. Which brings up another "gotcha". In Manual-Master mode, the PC port of the 580EX II is disabled. So, you won't be able to connect the CyberSync RX unit to the 580EX II via the PC port. That means that you will need to get a hotshoe adapter to connect the flash to the CyberSync RX unit.

3) The slave 430EX flashes can be set to manual mode and its power level set manual on the flash units themselves. It's also possible to set the slaves to ETTL mode and control their power output via the master using ratio but I'm not going to elaborate on that here.

4) One last thing that needs to be set up before using this hybrid configuration is to set the shutter speed on the camera to 1/125 if the max sync speed of the camera is 1/250 or 1/100 if the max sync is 1/200.

I made it work. The ironic thing is I bought the hotshoe (2) adapters and sync cords for my 430 s in order to use the cybersyncs I just ordered. I already own one cybersync transmitter and one receiver that I had used on the 580.

It dawned on me that I was holding what you had described here in this thread. I had almost forgotten about pursuing that method. It worked as good as my manual flash setting techniques are (limited).

Thanks for the information is what I'm trying to say in a round about way.

[PacAce]

I made it work. The ironic thing is I bought the hotshoe (2) adapters and sync cords for my 430 s in order to use the cybersyncs I just ordered. I already own one cybersync transmitter and one receiver that I had used on the 580.

It dawned on me that I was holding what you had described here in this thread. I had almost forgotten about pursuing that method. It worked as good as my manual flash setting techniques are (limited).

Thanks for the information is what I'm trying to say in a round about way.
You're welcome.
Glad you got it all working the way you wanted it to. :)