Canon 30D wish list - POLL

[I Simonius]

This poll is a collation of the top 20 realistic features requested in the 30D wish list thread:
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=74105

I have not included features that are almost certainly bound to be there in the next itteration of the 10D/20D line anyway: e.g. bigger Raw buffer, more pixels and am only asking about changes, not what should be kept the same (except for size and price)

ACTUALLY WISHES DON'T HAVE TO BE ESSENTIAL - JUST WISHES

PLEASE VOTE! :cool: :cool:

[Jim_T]

I didn't check off anything in the poll...

I have a 10D and deliberatly avoided buying a 20D.. I'm waiting for the 30D because I plan to only upgrade every two generations... (It was getting too expensive having the latest and greatest)..

If Canon sticks to the naming scheme, then the next camera I get after the 30D will be the 50D :)

[nitsch]

I voted for just keeping the size/weight the same. I like the 350D in terms of what it can do but it is so unbelievably small to the point of being unusable (IMHO). If they go down the same route with the replacement of the 20D I'll be gutted as I am planning on upgrading at that point.

[Alexandre Gabriel]

IMHO full frame is not realistic for a 20D upgrade. Well, not in this decade ;)

[DocFrankenstein]

IMHO full frame is not realistic for a 20D upgrade. Well, not in this decade ;)
Would you say that a 700$ 6mp rebel with it's huge sensor is possible in the next five years in back in 2000?

I think full frame under 2K will appear in 3-4 years.

[Feihung08]

Damn. Just bought the 20D yesterday and already talk of what to improve on it! :cry: Just jumped from the G5.......I don't think I'll notice one little tiny bit of problem with the 20D for a good solid year!

So I think it's safe to say that I WON'T be getting the 30D and will have to wait for the 40D and do the generation jumping like Jim_T!!

[SDK^]

ISO in the viewfinder, improved AF and weather proofing would be nice.
My next camera will be a 1 series so those will come as standard anyway :)

Just bought the 20D yesterday and already talk of what to improve on it!
Don't worry, in many years you'll still be able to take the same excellent quality photos with the 20D as you can today. A camera isn't like a graphics card or CPU that becomes obsolete with the next release of new software etc.

[Alexandre Gabriel]

Would you say that a 700$ 6mp rebel with it's huge sensor is possible in the next five years in back in 2000?

I think full frame under 2K will appear in 3-4 years.

Maybe your judgement is biased... see your signature ;)
Or you may be right... but the sensor's price make me think it's hard to believe it...

[Mark_48]

I would wish for a microprism or split image focusing screen or better yet interchangable focusing screens. That shouldn't be too tough to implement.

Yeah, I still like to focus manually on occasion :)

[HJMinard]

IMHO full frame is not realistic for a 20D upgrade. Well, not in this decade ;)

If they ever develop a 20D equivalent (mid-range, pro-sumer digital SLR) that utilizes 35mm-size sensors, then I hope they still develop an optional model with APS size sensors for those of us who enjoy the crop factor (wildlife shooters mostly). I'd hate to have to settle for a low end body to achieve that capability (or be forced to spring for super expensive, super-telephoto lenses).

Mark_48 ... re: interchangable focusing screens ... good call!

[elhalman]

It better be an 11 megapixel cam with 1.3 crop!

[ssim]

Alot of what is on that list is taking the ultimate 20D/30D closer to Canon's 1D series bodies. While I am certain that they will add some more features to the 30D, Canon is going to maintain a wide variation of features between the 1 series and their prosumer line. It would be nice to see a few of the listed features in the next generation. I elected not to vote as I accept the camera from Canon as it is and work within its limitations.

[johneo]

Only thing I voted for was "Spot meter"

I liked that on my Sony digitals and it was the first negative thing (of very few) I noticed about my 10D.

[I Simonius]

If they ever develop a 20D equivalent (mid-range, pro-sumer digital SLR) that utilizes 35mm-size sensors, then I hope they still develop an optional model with APS size sensors for those of us who enjoy the crop factor (wildlife shooters mostly). I'd hate to have to settle for a low end body to achieve that capability (or be forced to spring for super expensive, super-telephoto lenses).

Mark_48 ... re: interchangable focusing screens ... good call!

I'd love a FF so my 17-40L weill be a real 17-40 lens :cool:

[I Simonius]

Alot of what is on that list is taking the ultimate 20D/30D closer to Canon's 1D series bodies. While I am certain that they will add some more features to the 30D, Canon is going to maintain a wide variation of features between the 1 series and their prosumer line. It would be nice to see a few of the listed features in the next generation. I elected not to vote as I accept the camera from Canon as it is and work within its limitations.

There will always be functions passed down piecemeal from the high end models down throug the range to the lower. I don't really expect a 1D series for 20D money - not yet anyway, but there are areas where the 20D definitely could dop woith improvement.

I didn't notice these until I had been using the camera for a while, then the gaps start to show.
Spot meter, ISO in VF, consistant wheel function and more Cfn modes are my requests and not too hard to implement I wouldn't think

[Hellashot]

NONE of those items are essential for me to buy the 20D's replacement. I will buy whatever it turns out to be, since I have a Drebel now and it is and has been a very good learning camera.

And some of those items there is no chance in hell of being put in. e.g. full frame and spot metering.

[ScottE]

This is a nice list of incremental improvements, but omits some of the things that could make the the 30D a "must have":

Complete absence of noise at all ISO settngs, including ISO 3200 and 6400.

More than 12 megapixels (D2X killer)

In camera image stabilization (Minolta killer)

Auto ISO so you could set aperture and shutterspeed and camera would select ISO.

Larger buffer so you could get more than 7 RAW shots at 5 frames per second.

Complete line of compact EF-S lenses with large apertures and L quality (ie. 10-22/2.8, 22-70/2.8, 70-200/2.8 IS, 200-500/4 IS) Maybe a 50-500/3.5-5.6 IS could be substituted for that last one.

Scott

[LadyHawk]

I didn't see it on the checklist, but I would like to see a configuration like that with the battery grip attached, allowing easy vertical as well as horizontal shots. Like the more expensive canons...

[Jesper]

Missing option: More Megapixels. If it's going to be at least 11 MP, I'd consider it an interesting upgrade to my 6 MP 10D.

Another one: Better dynamic range.

Also, I want more speed. The 10D is slow on some points (slow startup time, slow to review images immediately after shooting, even if you have a fast CF card).

[Salleke]

On many camera we have Tv and Av. If we choose Av we can set the aperture and te cam sets the shutterspeed. If we choose Tv we can set the shutterspeed and the cam adjust the aperture. I was thinking of adding a T-A v position so we can set the shutterspeed and the aperture and the camera adjusts the ISO automaticly to meet the required speed and aperture.

[wilflee]

Only new feature I want is full frame sensor while keeping price the same.

[Andy_T]

Funny thread ...
what people seem to want is a camera that has the advantages of the 1DII and 1DsII combined at the price of the 20D :rolleyes:
Did I miss anything???

Ah yes, I'll have one of these as well.

Best regards,
Andy

[I Simonius]

Funny thread ...
what people seem to want is a camera that has the advantages of the 1DII and 1DsII combined at the price of the 20D :rolleyes:
Did I miss anything???

Ah yes, I'll have one of these as well.

Best regards,
Andy

Hmmm, the idea was to see how realistic and tweeky improvements were needed not just a fantasy list
Practical ideas trying to have, was I!

[pcasciola]

I was thinking of adding a T-A v position so we can set the shutterspeed and the aperture and the camera adjusts the ISO automaticly to meet the required speed and aperture.We were talking about this at work the other day. I'd like an Av mode where I can set a shutter range, and have the camera automatically adjust the ISO up or down to keep the shutter speed within that range.

[RichardtheSane]

I voted for the three options below

Weather proofing
Spot metering option (rather than just partial)
Quieter shutter
Price/size same or similar

Weather proofing alone would get me to upgrade right away if the psice/size remained similar. Unfortunatly I think that will be the last thing Canon would do.

[ScottE]

Only new feature I want is full frame sensor while keeping price the same.

That is the one feature I do not want. I like having may 500 mm lens act like an 800 when taking pictures of wildlife. There is more than enough resolution in an APS sized sensor for most purposes.

Scott

[I Simonius]

That is the one feature I do not want. I like having may 500 mm lens act like an 800 when taking pictures of wildlife. There is more than enough resolution in an APS sized sensor for most purposes.

Scott

That's the biggest divide isn't it? - between the action and wildlife shooters who like it long :o and those who are mad for resolution and lenses that work at the stated FL

Me - I like street shooting and landscapes so FF would be :cool: :cool: :cool: Cool :D
Perhaps they could do two versions ( silly idea) one with high megadoodahs and FF for tha landscapers and one fast shooting .. OH they do.. it's the 1D and the 1Ds :evil: :evil: :evil:

[dhbailey]

I'm confused about the lose or replace basic zone function question -- why replace it with Av or Tv priority, when we already have that at the other end of the dial?

I'm also confused about the pricing question -- don't any of you want the price to come down drastically? Keep it the same? No way! Drop it by $600 dollars so Canon will sell more, eliminate their dRebel series so they won't have multiple production line costs. I think you all were only thinking that Canon would RAISE the price and nobody seemed to consider that they might actually lower it. I'd be thrilled if they drastically changed their price LOWER, wouldn't you?

[I Simonius]

I'm confused about the lose or replace basic zone function question -- why replace it with Av or Tv priority, when we already have that at the other end of the dial?

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There is a difference between:

THIS

-setting the exact shutter speed and the camera choosing the aperture, in Tv mode; or setting the exact Aperture amd the camera choosing the shutter speed, in Av mode

AND THIS

-the camera itself choosing the highest shutter speed combined with a reasonable depth of field in Tv priority or choosing the greatest depth of field combined with a reasonable shutter speed in Av priority

i.e in the Av or Tv modes you select a definite aperture or shutter speed, the camera only does the other automatically not both - whereas in Av or Tv PRIORITY the camera selects both aperture and shuttter speed but with a strong bias either toward depth of field or a hig shutter speed

really it is Aperture program or shutter program but on older cameras it used to be called aperture priority or shutter priority

[Jon]

I don't know that any single thing there is essential for me to consider an upgrade. There are a number of features that, if they were available in the new camera, would influence me to upgrade but I wouldn't necessarily not upgrade if one of them was missing. And I'm sure Canon (or the fertile minds around here) could think up some other features, not listed above, which would inspire me to upgrade. But "What features would be essential?" implies that they must all be present or I wouldn't move. That said, I'll pick my top 5 inducements.

[I Simonius]

I don't know that any single thing there is essential for me to consider an upgrade. There are a number of features that, if they were available in the new camera, would influence me to upgrade but I wouldn't necessarily not upgrade if one of them was missing. And I'm sure Canon (or the fertile minds around here) could think up some other features, not listed above, which would inspire me to upgrade. But "What features would be essential?" implies that they must all be present or I wouldn't move. That said, I'll pick my top 5 inducements.

AAAH! Perhaps it needs renaming - I didnt think about it too hard
perhaps what features would you like??

[Jon]

Yeah. That or "Top 5 Inducements to Upgrade". Do a little of Canon's market research for them ;{)#

[I Simonius]

Yeah. That or "Top 5 Inducements to Upgrade". Do a little of Canon's market research for them ;{)#

I don't mind doing their research for them if it helps me get what I want ;)

[CyberDyneSystems]

It better be an 11 megapixel cam with 1.3 crop!

Ditto.. at least 11MP with 1.3X

[ScottE]

Ditto.. at least 11MP with 1.3X

Its not going to happen.

The next camera in the 10-20D series will meet or exceed the 12 MP of the Nikon D2x. Why stop at 11MP when the competition has 12?

1.3X cameras cannot use EF-S lenses and the 10-20D series is now dedicated to that lens series.

If anything is likely to disappear it is the 1.3x format. Full frame cameras take full advantage of the capabilities of EF lenses. 1.6x cameras can use the EF-S lenses and to date have just as good resolution as the 1.3x cameras. (The D60 and 10D had greater pixel count than the 1D and the 20D has the same as the 1DMkII.) What possible advantage is there to introducing more 1.3x cameras, especially in the D30, D60, 10D, 20D series? (Other than to sell to people who are willing to pay a premium price for an advantage that doesn't have to exist. There is no reason a 20D PRO could not have all the features of the 1D Mk II.)

Scott

[tim]

Full frame/dustproof sensor aren't really realisitic options for a 30D, IMHO.

[Headcase650]

Weatherproofing,
Quiter shutter,
Larger buffer,
12 mp
more autofocus points
ISO In the viewfinder,

Manual mode with auto ISO (expanded ISO to make the most of this function 50, 100, 150, 200, 300, 400, 600, 800, 1200, 1600, 2400, 3200. All noise free!)

I think this function would rock for photographers in constantly changing light environments.

[MrChad]

I would be so happy if the 30D was actually an Eos 33D or Full digital version of the Elan 7 in every way, style, speed, cfn*, etc.. I love the speed and bigger veiwfinder in my Elan 7N so much better then the 20D or Drebel.

They could keep it a 1.6x crop factor, I don't care about the battery or size too much. As long as the price was sub 2grand I would be there. If they made it an Eos 3D for the same price, well I would likely die from joy.....

[aam1234]

I'd like a variable FPS.

[Headcase650]

I cant believe I forgot to ask for an on camera flash that can be set to manual with NO PREFLASH!!!!! With selectable power outputs.

[ssim]

We were talking about this at work the other day. I'd like an Av mode where I can set a shutter range, and have the camera automatically adjust the ISO up or down to keep the shutter speed within that range.

Now that idea I like alot. I could live with just a minimum shutter speed in that setting.

[aam1234]

EL "*". How about keeping it "on" until you take the photo not the current take-the pic-now-or-you-will be-damned four seconds :evil:

[Salleke]

I cant believe I forgot to ask for an on camera flash that can be set to manual with NO PREFLASH!!!!! With selectable power outputs.

IMO it would be better to remove the on camera flash and give us a bigger LCD and other features instead for the money..
Allmost any user have a external flash unit so we don't need a build in flash in a semi pro camera.
Spotmetering, automatic ISO setting for a given shutterspeed and/or aperture, much better and MUCH bigger LCD screen...
That would be better options for the "NEW 30 D", togheter whit the ones mentioned in the poll.

[tim]

We were talking about this at work the other day. I'd like an Av mode where I can set a shutter range, and have the camera automatically adjust the ISO up or down to keep the shutter speed within that range.

I made a similar suggestion (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=74656) a while back, but I got shot down in flames. It would be a pretty advanced function, possibly something more at home in the 1 series cameras, where they seem to assume the photographer is more competent and can deal with the complexity.

[tim]

IMO it would be better to remove the on camera flash and give us a bigger LCD and other features instead for the money..
Allmost any user have a external flash unit so we don't need a build in flash in a semi pro camera.

I use the built in flash occasionally, for fill or when a big flash isn't a great idea. For example, I took my camera to a party, the big flash would've been too obtrusive, the on-camera one was fine.

[I Simonius]

IMO it would be better to remove the on camera flash and give us a bigger LCD and other features instead for the money..
Allmost any user have a external flash unit so we don't need a build in flash in a semi pro camera.
Spotmetering, automatic ISO setting for a given shutterspeed and/or aperture, much better and MUCH bigger LCD screen...
That would be better options for the "NEW 30 D", togheter whit the ones mentioned in the poll.

I'm for removing the OCF as well but I think the camera sometimes needs it just to AF in bad lihghting, and as Tim says sometimes you need something that's nnot too intrusive

[Salleke]

I use the built in flash occasionally, for fill or when a big flash isn't a great idea. For example, I took my camera to a party, the big flash would've been too obtrusive, the on-camera one was fine.

In your signature I see that you have: Canon 20D, 70-200 F2.8L IS, Tamron 28-75 F2.8, Canon 100mm F2.8 Macro, Canon 50mm F1.4.
If you are going to a party whit a 20 D and your Tamron 28-75 F2.8 for example then it would be normal that on top of the camera whit that "big obtrusive" lens is a external flash mounted.
If you don't want to be obtrusive you must switch off flash anyhow and use your 50mm/F1.4. Because we are obtrusive from the moment we use a flash (build in or external) for the first time on that event IMHO.
BTW i would love to have your lens line up...:lol:

[tim]

In your signature I see that you have: Canon 20D, 70-200 F2.8L IS, Tamron 28-75 F2.8, Canon 100mm F2.8 Macro, Canon 50mm F1.4.
If you are going to a party whit a 20 D and your Tamron 28-75 F2.8 for example then it would be normal that on top of the camera whit that "big obtrusive" lens is a external flash mounted.
If you don't want to be obtrusive you must switch off flash anyhow and use your 50mm/F1.4. Because we are obtrusive from the moment we use a flash (build in or external) for the first time on that event IMHO.
BTW i would love to have your lens line up...:lol:





The size of the lens isn't really an problem, but the external flash makes it look huge, plus I can have the camera slung over over my shoulder when there's no external flash on it. When it's on it feels more fragile. The bigger the camera the more people seem to react to it, so I think there is a significant difference between with and without external flash. Obtrusive might not be the right word - maybe unweildy and unobtrosive together.

[wiselion]

I didn't check off anything in the poll...

I have a 10D and deliberatly avoided buying a 20D.. I'm waiting for the 30D because I plan to only upgrade every two generations... (It was getting too expensive having the latest and greatest)..

If Canon sticks to the naming scheme, then the next camera I get after the 30D will be the 50D :)


I have a 10D and deliberatly avoided buying a 20D.. I'm waiting for the 30D because I plan to only upgrade every two generations... (It was getting too expensive having the latest and greatest)..


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