Canon "Nova DSLR Concept"

[Tumeg]

Not sure if this should be in rumors, or what... But anyway, read this; http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/28/nova-dslr-concept-reminds-us-that-cameras-need-not-be-boring/

[deadpass]

kinda neat looking. would be tough to store due to it's odd shape. I think stability would be tough too, especially with a long lens on it.

[therealmr]

"Modern SLR is over 50 years worth of evolution, and it is designed the way it's designed with utilitarian, photo-centric mindset with a purpose of giving you the best photograph in the easiest possible way. This looks like a design student wanting to get some website traffic, nothing more."

[NickSimcheck]

"Modern SLR is over 50 years worth of evolution, and it is designed the way it's designed with utilitarian, photo-centric mindset with a purpose of giving you the best photograph in the easiest possible way. This looks like a design student wanting to get some website traffic, nothing more."

I was gonna quote that too, nothing more fitting to be said about it.

[int2str]

Innovation would never take place if the status quo wasn't challenged every once in a while.

[Rubi Jane]

A design student (Erin Fong (http://www.coroflot.com/public/individual_details.asp?individual_id=258110&))dreaming in La La Land and not thinking through their designs.

[Stan Jones Photography]

Hey guys, it's such a good idea, I mean.... look at its structural integrity! It's a triangle.....minus one of the sides =/.


Okay, well, ummmmmm, it's compact?

Maybe the boomerang design helps it Jedi-mind trick back to your hand if you accidentally drop it? no?


That's gotta be the ugliest concept in photography... to date, baha.

[asysin2leads]

The designer's last name can be a curse.:rolleyes:

[HyperYagami]

It has absolutely nothing to do with "Canon" by the way.

[Rubi Jane]

The designer's last name can be a curse.:rolleyes:
hahahaha...that didn't even occur to me, but you're right ;)

[KenjiS]

I'm all for interesting camera designs..

Like this one

http://www.canon.com/camera-museum/camera/film/data/1986-1990/1990_ab-jet.html?lang=us&categ=crn&page=1986-1990

That was pretty damn cool in my opinion and truthfully, a pretty well-featured camera for what it was...it even has a built-in low angle finder, Thats nicely thought out :P and it has a 3-point AF system...Not bad at all

[DStanic]

f/2.8 lenses or anything with the weight greater then a 18-55 kit lens would give big problems.

Horrible design!

[algold]

The design concept sucks big time - it's unusable with longer heavier lenses and it doesn't have a mirror box from the size/look of it, just a rear LCD VF. Olympus is way better with innovations :) and they actually make them.

[Stan Jones Photography]

And not to be irrational, but the girl who posted the blog / the designer must be a nit-wit, did any of you pay attention to the title?

"Nova DSLR concept reminds us that cameras need not be boring"

Of course cameras are boring... if you can't take the time to pick up a traditional SLR or DSLR and learn how to use it.... because I'm quite sure that EVERYBODY here feels that they've actually considered the fact that they're tired with a camera design that works perfectly....

[DStanic]

"Nova DSLR concept reminds us that cameras need not be boring"

Of course cameras are boring... if you can't take the time to pick up a traditional SLR or DSLR and learn how to use it.... because I'm quite sure that EVERYBODY here feels that they've actually considered the fact that they're tired with a camera design that works perfectly....


People that think cameras are boring are not photographers- for them there is an endless array of brightly colored P&S with matching pleather wallets.

[Stan Jones Photography]

People that think cameras are boring are not photographers- for them there is an endless array of brightly colored P&S with matching pleather wallets.

Hahahahahhahaha.

Because color meas EVERYTHING! :cool:

[4g63]

looks like a boomerang.

[offevytaf]

Im already in the game, and buying a new body would probably mean a new system, meaning that all the lenses I have now, I wont be able to use without an appropriate adaptor

but its great for those wanting a DSLR. When I got my 300D, it was the cheapest good DSLR I could get still working well

[beeng]

As usual, the artsy designers are way out there with their designs... but these "unique" designs often give engineers new ideas on how to modify current (useful) designs. I'm not sure what they will pull out of this crazy concept though :P .

[Longwatcher]

I am personally thinking it has potential, the grips could be interchangeable for left/right handers.
For the shooting hand, I need a hand strap and more support (especially for the longer lenses), but having a second arm that comes out and rotates (possibly in 3 dimensions) could be useful.

I am thinking with the right grip, more like a pistol grip, I could access the shutter and exposure buttons much easier and faster. The left grip would have the menu controls and I could use it as a rest on top of my wrist, possibly allowing me to hold a heavier lens.

Also instead of rotating my arm and wrist from landscape to portrait orientation, I would be just rotating the camera and my grip would remain the same.

Much Potential here.

Also helps if you have both still and video in same body as most cameras do.

[Photon Phil]

So in-other-words, holding the "block body" type camera we are used to today will eventually be a thing of the past. Dreadfully, I agree.

[Karl Johnston]

That's pretty sweet. I want one.

[Joaaso]

something like that only with one handle instead of two (so you could hold the lens in your left hand like normal), could be more useful.. I wouldn't mind moving the grip a bit lower than it is on todays cameras at least.. not sure how the vertical grip would be then, though..

[banpreso]

i like innovations in general, not all of them may work but i encourage innovations.

who knows, couple years down the road we may be driving cars with touchscreen and joystick and it may actually be better than steering wheels. usually our first reaction to something we can't get our mind around is "it sucks"

[440roadrunner]

This belongs (or maybe it is) in Popular Science or on of the other magazines that were always predicting that "in xx years" people will have "personal aircraft in their driveways" and we'll stroll out in the morning and fly to work. Ya, right.

Just because it's weird and different, doesn't make it a good idea

[GSeries1]

looks like a boomerang.

It's the Australian army's unmanned reconnaissance vehicle.... :lol:

[rogazilla]

the handle could be cool and easy to use like a video geme controller. I do like that and especially if it can be switch to shutter on left hand and so on since I have some limitation on my wrist that I want to have a left hander's camera... if such thing exist. However, they need to come up with an idea how to hold that thing with my 70-200 2.8... Or someone with longer zoom.

I can see something like like one of those flash light with a trigger and handle maybe? But then you might get shot by the cop who think you have a gun...

[professorman]

I like innovation and people who come up with unique concepts. I think this would probably appeal to women more, and if it has interchangeable lens, the husband and wife can have body to suit their styles, and share lens.

[AxxisPhoto]

Looks akward and hard to control. http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Confused/sorry.gif

[GSeries1]

Looks akward and hard to control. http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Confused/sorry.gif

Yeah, I don't really get the point... now if they added a third handle so it could turn into a tripod I guess that "could" be useful,,, maybe.

[spiralspirit]

put a 70-200 2.8 IS on it and see how easy it is to hold it with those two ridiculous handles.

[birdfromboat]

the easiest thing in the world to do is make a better one. There are ten thousand ideas that won't work, but if they hadn't been tried, building a better one would be a shot in the dark. The worlds best designer will never be a guy that gets it dead right first time every time. The worlds best designer is a guy that knows how to take something that already works and make it better while avoiding the ten thousand things he knows don't work.
Personally, I think this is one that won't work, but the ideas being thrown around on this forum might include the way to make it better, then someone will make a better one of those and so on.
I like the familiarity of the current designs, but I think all of us have a few things we would like to make better about our DSLR's ergonomics. This one might be trying a few too many of those ideas at once.

[Splatmaster527]

the easiest thing in the world to do is make a better one. There are ten thousand ideas that won't work, but if they hadn't been tried, building a better one would be a shot in the dark. The worlds best designer will never be a guy that gets it dead right first time every time. The worlds best designer is a guy that knows how to take something that already works and make it better while avoiding the ten thousand things he knows don't work.
Personally, I think this is one that won't work, but the ideas being thrown around on this forum might include the way to make it better, then someone will make a better one of those and so on.
I like the familiarity of the current designs, but I think all of us have a few things we would like to make better about our DSLR's ergonomics. This one might be trying a few too many of those ideas at once.

But maybe that new guy should take a slight bit of concept from o lets say the couple thousand other designers who have helped make the camera what it is today??

Sure there is "different" but then there is just plain pointless. One advantage of this over a common body??? Don't see any popping off the page.
But hey maybe there is a whole new crowd of people with plenty of money to spend on "that new thing"

[TriggerHappyHaD]

Look at the two ends of the "boomerang" where the strap should be connected. If you connect the strap to those two spots the camera would twist and the lens would be facing your stomach!
Also when shooting you will have to tilt your elbows outwards slightly to be in a comfortable position, but it will be difficult holding the camera steady because your arms will have absolutely no support.
This really sucks.

[MattRaizoku]

Horrible Design, looks like this won't be released.
It's not something I'd like to have, storage would be stupid for it.

[dovaka]

i couldn't imagine trying to hold onto that thing and keeping it steady

[MattRaizoku]

i couldn't imagine trying to hold onto that thing and keeping it steady

It'd snap if a heavy lense was on it, its a stupid design. It's probably hoax of somekind.

[Er1kksen]

It'd snap if a heavy lense was on it, its a stupid design. It's probably hoax of somekind.

It was made as an experimental project by a design student, and had nothing to do with Canon. Did you even read the article?

[ValkyrieLenneth]

This design could be suitable for the 4/3 format.

[MattRaizoku]

It was made as an experimental project by a design student, and had nothing to do with Canon. Did you even read the article?

Sorry no I just looked at the image only, and having canon plastered on it was stupid.
Also I said its a stupid design I didn't say anything about Canon.

[Er1kksen]

Sorry no I just looked at the image only, and having canon plastered on it was stupid.
Also I said its a stupid design I didn't say anything about Canon.

You really seem to like the word stupid. ;)

Design never gets anywhere without people trying out a bunch of "stupid" ideas to find the ones that are actually "smart."

[GSeries1]

You really seem to like the word stupid. ;)

Design never gets anywhere without people trying out a bunch of "stupid" ideas to find the ones that are actually "smart."

Sounds like you both agree that it's stupid to me.

[skygod44]

Hmmm....well, she's at least trying to do something creative, but my suggestions would be be take off the arms due to torsional issues with longer lenses.

Then perhaps, top-mount the shutter button do avoid accidental exposures, and I think making the whole unit more box-like would be easier to grab.

Perhaps something like this?

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[Er1kksen]

I think from the perspective of the needs of an SLR user it's a poorly thought out design. However, I feel that experimentation (successful or not) is the key to progress and that if someone put their effort to exploring an idea and sharing it with others for the purpose of stimulating thought, it's very much disrespectful to call it stupid.

So no, I would not agree that it's "stupid."

[GSeries1]

I think from the perspective of the needs of an SLR user it's a poorly thought out design. However, I feel that experimentation (successful or not) is the key to progress and that if someone put their effort to exploring an idea and sharing it with others for the purpose of stimulating thought, it's very much disrespectful to call it stupid.

So no, I would not agree that it's "stupid."

Well,,, I guess we can probably all agree it isn't "smart" enough of an idea to be introduced by any company on Earth that wants to stay in business.

[GSeries1]

Hmmm....well, she's at least trying to do something creative, but my suggestions would be be take off the arms due to torsional issues with longer lenses.

Then perhaps, top-mount the shutter button do avoid accidental exposures, and I think making the whole unit more box-like would be easier to grab.

Perhaps something like this?

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I'll buy whatever god-awful creation a student comes up with if that's the kit lens it gets sent out with.

[Er1kksen]

Yes, that particular point I would agree on. I suspect the designer probably would too; concept models like these are rarely aimed at actual production. Just experimentation.

[Jimmer411]

Yet its got some old style MF lens on it...

[elysium]

How you going to use it with a 500L?

[skygod44]

I'll buy whatever god-awful creation a student comes up with if that's the kit lens it gets sent out with.
I'm glad someone spotted that!
Borrowed it a while ago and slapped it on my 30D! Beautiful isn't it...but sadly, I didn't have enough yen at the time to keep it :-(
Though since then I decided to "aim" for the 50L anyway.
:-)

[Er1kksen]

I just noticed how the "direct print" button is in fact the largest button on the left-hand grip. Maybe Canon actually DID have a hand in designing it. ;) :p

[KenjiS]

I'm glad someone spotted that!
Borrowed it a while ago and slapped it on my 30D! Beautiful isn't it...but sadly, I didn't have enough yen at the time to keep it :-(
Though since then I decided to "aim" for the 50L anyway.
:-)

Strictly speaking id much prefer the ergonomics of the 40D/50D or 7D to the 30D

That little finger nook is a HUGE improvement you just dont realize until you've got it ;)

[skygod44]

Strictly speaking id much prefer the ergonomics of the 40D/50D or 7D to the 30D

That little finger nook is a HUGE improvement you just don't realize until you've got it ;)
It is possible to go off people, you know! :mad:

I will have a 7D! It is my "dess-ti-kneeeeeee!" ( <- in the voice of Darth Vader)
;)

[KenjiS]

It is possible to go off people, you know! :mad:

I will have a 7D! It is my "dess-ti-kneeeeeee!" ( <- in the voice of Darth Vader)
;)

Sorry man :)

Dont worry you'll have it soon

My only complaint with the 7D is my lack of glass, i really really want something fast :/

[skygod44]

Sorry man :)
Dont worry you'll have it soon
My only complaint with the 7D is my lack of glass, i really really want something fast :/
Just messing with ya, matey! ;)
And as to "fast", f/1.4 not good enough? Just how fast do you need?!?!? :confused:

[KenjiS]

Just messing with ya, matey! ;)
And as to "fast", f/1.4 not good enough? Just how fast do you need?!?!? :confused:

I dont have anything faster than f/3.5! :)

I want a f/1.4 lens lol

[CombatCamera13]

You won't see me with that thing.

[skygod44]

I dont have anything faster than f/3.5! :)

I want a f/1.4 lens lol

Ooops! I'd read your siggy as "Owning" the 30f1.4, not "Wanting" one...
In that case, hope you get your KEH issue sorted and can buy an f/1.4 as it's amazing to own such fast glass.
:D

[KenjiS]

Ooops! I'd read your siggy as "Owning" the 30f1.4, not "Wanting" one...
In that case, hope you get your KEH issue sorted and can buy an f/1.4 as it's amazing to own such fast glass.
:D

Ah so you saw my thread :) Gosh i am getting more pissed the more i think of it...

And Yeh..i really do miss my isolating shots to be completely honest...I miss them bad...Sure the 100-400 and 15-85 can do it, bui really miss my 200 f/2.8..and..ok i admit it..the Tamron 28-75...sometimes...So long as i was manually focusing it

[skygod44]

Ah so you saw my thread :) Gosh i am getting more pissed the more i think of it...

And Yeh..i really do miss my isolating shots to be completely honest...I miss them bad...Sure the 100-400 and 15-85 can do it, bui really miss my 200 f/2.8..and..ok i admit it..the Tamron 28-75...sometimes...So long as i was manually focusing it
Come on man! Don't go back to a zoomy-zoomy!
There's a huge new camera shop opening tomorrow, so if they beat my current quote for the 7D + 200L, I might put in an order....so why not join me and get another 200? Come on...the f2.8 is a steal....and it's only "money" after all....
;)

[KenjiS]

Come on man! Don't go back to a zoomy-zoomy!
There's a huge new camera shop opening tomorrow, so if they beat my current quote for the 7D + 200L, I might put in an order....so why not join me and get another 200? Come on...the f2.8 is a steal....and it's only "money" after all....
;)

Eh..true i loved my 200 f/2.8, its just that id rather have a 70-200 for what i used to use it on because i frequently needed a shorter lens than it (Or a longer one)

but that said my next lens will probubly be a prime, im just not sure what right now

[skygod44]

Eh..true i loved my 200 f/2.8, its just that id rather have a 70-200 for what i used to use it on because i frequently needed a shorter lens than it (Or a longer one)

but that said my next lens will probubly be a prime, im just not sure what right now
This is where you belong Kenji.....

[One of the best threads on POTN] -----> X (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=623018&highlight=PLA)

[KenjiS]

This is where you belong Kenji.....

[One of the best threads on POTN] -----> X (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=623018&highlight=PLA)

blah :P

Part of me is seriously giving thought to renting the 100mm L Macro and seeing if i honestly feel its worth it

[skygod44]

blah :P

Part of me is seriously giving thought to renting the 100mm L Macro and seeing if i honestly feel its worth it
Really?
But, you've got the 100 macro yes?
All the top guys have said that IS makes no difference for macro, and the MTF for the non-L is amazing anyway.
Put those dollars to better use by getting a different FL, Kenj'!
Or extension tubes?

EDIT: I've done it again haven't I? The 100 is a "wanted" lens in your sig! I really must get some new glasses... :-(
In which case, I'd say look out for a non-L and you'll still be ecstatic with what it does, but now for a lot less $$$...

[KenjiS]

Really?
But, you've got the 100 macro yes?
All the top guys have said that IS makes no difference for macro, and the MTF for the non-L is amazing anyway.
Put those dollars to better use by getting a different FL, Kenj'!
Or extension tubes?

EDIT: I've done it again haven't I? The 100 is a "wanted" lens in your sig! I really must get some new glasses... :-(
In which case, I'd say look out for a non-L and you'll still be ecstatic with what it does, but now for a lot less $$$...

lol xD The things written in my sig are wanted...the things in the link are what i have

See i know that, but i also never use a tripod, i hate it, its bulky heavy cumbersome and just gets in my way, So for me, IS would likely be a nice thing to have...

I'm not sure though..Adorama has refurb 100 macros for $500

[skygod44]

lol xD The things written in my sig are wanted...the things in the link are what i have

See i know that, but i also never use a tripod, i hate it, its bulky heavy cumbersome and just gets in my way, So for me, IS would likely be a nice thing to have...

I'm not sure though..Adorama has refurb 100 macros for $500
I'm so depressed!
The new shop wanted MORE for the 7D & 200mm than the old shop!!!
So I just got a set of Kenko extension tubes instead. Which will be fun, but Damn-it!!!! about the 7D and 200L.....

Back to you though, and I agree about the tripod thing. Only got a table-top one now myself, but if you check out LordV's comments, if you're wanting the macro for shooting macro, IS isn't worth much...

Anyway, I'm going to make dinner with Missus Skygod and complain about Japanese shops' prices!!!
:mad:

[KenjiS]

I'm so depressed!
The new shop wanted MORE for the 7D & 200mm than the old shop!!!
So I just got a set of Kenko extension tubes instead. Which will be fun, but Damn-it!!!! about the 7D and 200L.....

Back to you though, and I agree about the tripod thing. Only got a table-top one now myself, but if you check out LordV's comments, if you're wanting the macro for shooting macro, IS isn't worth much...


Ouch!

And eh..maybe thats true, a lot of times wind is an issue more than me shaking...

[skygod44]

Ouch!

And eh..maybe thats true, a lot of times wind is an issue more than me shaking...

Seriously Kenj'....check out LordV's thread here -> LordV the Macro Maestro! (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=807056)
Post #2, point 3.2.8

He advocates a method I've tried - and it works!
HOLD the leaf/grass/twig/flower/etc that the bug is on, and balance the end of your lens on your hand, and then, when you move, so does the bug-leaf/twig/etc!
:D

[KenjiS]

Seriously Kenj'....check out LordV's thread here -> LordV the Macro Maestro! (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=807056)
Post #2, point 3.2.8

He advocates a method I've tried - and it works!
HOLD the leaf/grass/twig/flower/etc that the bug is on, and balance the end of your lens on your hand, and then, when you move, so does the bug-leaf/twig/etc!
:D

True thats not a bad option, Though sometimes i cant (Or do not want to since its not mine) touch the plant necessarily

i could always try to deflect the wind..

or well, i have a 7D...ISO800 is superb..as is 1600..and 3200...

well he uses flash on top of it..so i could experiment with that

[skygod44]

True thats not a bad option, Though sometimes i cant (Or do not want to since its not mine) touch the plant necessarily

i could always try to deflect the wind..

or well, i have a 7D...ISO800 is superb..as is 1600..and 3200...

well he uses flash on top of it..so i could experiment with that
Yep, he does.
And last night I finished making my very own home-made snoot for my flash out of some old cardboard, white paper-lining, silver foil and black cloth tape!
I'll try to take a snapshot of it and post it up, but WOW! what a difference it makes.
Without it, using the extension tubes at ISO100, and f2.8 with my 100mm macro, I couldn't get the exposure quicker than 1/15s, but with the snoot, 1/100s at f/5.6 was no problem!
The result was a full line of super-sharp focus across the frame, whereas without the snoot, I could only hold still enough for a small "patch" of the exposure to be vaguely sharp. Really excellent, as it means I still don't need a tripod ( = nothing heavy to lug around), and outside, could easily get 1/250s at f/5.6 or even f/8.
Hmmm, this makes little sense with pictures, but I've got to pop out to work soon.
Will post something tomorrow (later, if I can) to show the difference, plus a picture of my snoot!

[skygod44]

Hey Kenji,

Since it's nothing to do with the Nova dSLR concept, I've opened a new thread to show you the home-made snoot above my 100mm macro with Kenko extension tubes here -> I love my snoot! (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=830547)

Take a look...and then get the "old" 100mm macro and put the saved cash from the 100L macro to some extension tubes and join in with the fun!
:D

[j_ambrose]

Hmmm I dunno doesn't look very comfortable to me.

[Cali Agent]

So I think I have a better design. Let me know if you're interested.
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h204/lionel86/camgun.jpg
LOL

[SloopJohnE]

I'm all for interesting camera designs..

Like this one

http://www.canon.com/camera-museum/camera/film/data/1986-1990/1990_ab-jet.html?lang=us&categ=crn&page=1986-1990

That was pretty damn cool in my opinion and truthfully, a pretty well-featured camera for what it was...it even has a built-in low angle finder, Thats nicely thought out :P and it has a 3-point AF system...Not bad at all

And it was full-frame to boot! Imagine that! ;)

[MattRaizoku]

So I think I have a better design. Let me know if you're interested.
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h204/lionel86/camgun.jpg
LOL

Full Frame with recoil!

[seabee_shooter]

Haha. Pretty good! You can only take six shots though...