Zeiss Makro-Planar T* 2/100 ZE

[dolina]

Makro-Planar T* 2/100 ZE will be available from beginning of 2010 at a recommended retail price of € 1.385,71 (excluding VAT)*.

Press release (http://www.zeiss.de/C1256A770030BCE0/WebViewAllE/F33FD84215ECA852C1257681001E93E7)

Expect samples to show up soon at http://www.flickr.com/photos/silver2silicon/

[dm77]

sweeeeeeeet! my fav lens!

[rcaq]

given the fact that the price stated excludes VAT, I'm wondering if it's justified go for this one...esp. the differences compared to the 135L

looking forward to the first samples

[snowboarder]

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/673512-REG/Zeiss_1762_852_100mm_f_2_MAKRO_PLANAR.html

In stock! I should show some examples soon :)

[il Dottore]

Full set (56 samples) is HERE (http://www.flickr.com/photos/silver2silicon/sets/72157622966764861/).
Bokeh, COLOURS, sharpness, rendering, contrast... out of this world... :) But honestly: I don't suppose that my Planar 85mm would be worse in this botanical garden location (excluding macro shots).
For REAL macro shots I would prefer cheaper - and stabilised! - Canon EF 100mm f/2.8 L IS USM Macro... AF is another advantage here. As you rather don't need very wide apertures for macro shots, Zeiss' f/2.0 isn't an advantage in macro situations.
So... seems this Zeiss lens is not for me, not for this price, anyway...

[Double Negative]

^ Now those don't look too shabby! Small perhaps. But not shabby.

[snowboarder]

A few "marina impressions" taken tonight.



http://www.lightandpictures.com/Stuff/5DII_9562.jpg



http://www.lightandpictures.com/Stuff/5DII_9529.jpg



http://www.lightandpictures.com/Stuff/5DII_9574.jpg



http://www.lightandpictures.com/Stuff/5DII_9526.jpg



http://www.lightandpictures.com/Stuff/5DII_9579.jpg



http://www.lightandpictures.com/Stuff/5DII_9595.jpg

[pgruiz123]

This may be a silly question but was a circular polarizer use for the last picture?

[snowboarder]

This may be a silly question but was a circular polarizer use for the last picture?

No, it was taken way past sunset, ISO1600, f2 or 2.2
Just a moment of some great blue light :)

[JC4]

How much PP? They look great, but I can't tell if the colors/contrast are the lens or PP.(especially being web size and all)

[snowboarder]

Just another couple of shots from last night:



http://www.lightandpictures.com/Stuff/5DII_9519.jpg



http://www.lightandpictures.com/Stuff/5DII_9567.jpg

[snowboarder]

http://www.lightandpictures.com/Stuff/5DII_9639.jpg

[snowboarder]

Seems like it's just me here at the moment :)




http://www.lightandpictures.com/Stuff/5DII_9759.jpg



http://www.lightandpictures.com/Stuff/5DII_9842.jpg



http://www.lightandpictures.com/Stuff/5DII_9878.jpg



http://www.lightandpictures.com/Stuff/5DII_9938.jpg

[p6889k]

Snowboarder,

thanks for all the shots, I'm also very interested in this lens and the only thing that scares me is the lack of AF. Few questions for you:

1. For the long range shots, do you just preset the lens to infinity and shoot or do you focus while looking into the viewfinder? How quick/easy is it to focus via the FF viewfinder, not Live Preview.

2. What is your success rate for sharp shots at medium to long range distance.

3. Can you post some close up portraits with this lens. I'm thinking about using this lens instead of 100L and 135L combo.

Thank you.

[Double Negative]

^ MF is easy. Look through the VF and focus or use the hyperfocal distance if you're in a hurry. Worse comes to worse, stop it down a little and rack it out to infinity.

An optional "high precision" focus screen might be of use as well, depending on your lens lineup.

[snowboarder]

Snowboarder,

thanks for all the shots, I'm also very interested in this lens and the only thing that scares me is the lack of AF. Few questions for you:

1. For the long range shots, do you just preset the lens to infinity and shoot or do you focus while looking into the viewfinder? How quick/easy is it to focus via the FF viewfinder, not Live Preview.

2. What is your success rate for sharp shots at medium to long range distance.

I don't use live view at all. To be honest, MF with 100MP ZE is harder than with my other
two Zeiss lenses - 21 ZE and 35 ZE. It's much more precise, it's a macro lens, so it
is a much longer focus scale. No guessing allowed. The scale is much "shorter"
on the long side, so you don't need to preset or anything. I use the focus confirmation
all the time and it works. I would say I have a very high "success rate", but I don't
rush anything.



3. Can you post some close up portraits with this lens. I'm thinking about using this lens instead of 100L and 135L combo.

Thank you.


To be honest I don't shoot portraits to show publicly. But I do for myself.
I used to have both Canon 100 macro and 135L.
Comparing the 100 MP ZE to those two is quite hard.
Canon 100 macro was a typical macro lens which was sharp for macro,
but boring for normal usage. I actually think 135L is the best Canon lens
and it produces the images which feel the most Zeiss-like, maybe 50L is close.
But I like 100 MP ZE much more anyway. It might be a touch too contrasty for portraits
though. It enhances the microstructure and micro-contrast which requires a specific
friendly light to work for smooth skin, otherwise it might create slightly dragonized
images without your intension :) But if you're serious with your portrait work,
and you can control the light, than that lens will shine.
For everyday casual family pictures, I think a softer, less 3D-microcontrasty lens
would work better, I'm planning to get 24-70L when Canon updates it with IS
(I just sold my 24-70L and kind of regret it a bit) for everyday vacation family
photos. If Canon could do something like 24-105 f2.8L IS that would be even better,
24-105 f4L is not gonna work for me, as it's not great wide open and at f5.6
it's not a portrait lens anymore. I still have my 70-200 f4L IS which is great wide open
but too long for more universal usage.
I'm extremely happy with my 3 Zeiss lens combo - 21, 35 and 100MP and it covers
my landscape needs. The images have so much impact, they look so "real".
And I love the MF, it kind of gives you more joy working on a frame, hard
to describe why. But it requires precision and patience.
Sorry for my random, unorganized thoughts...

[p6889k]

Snowboarder,
thanks for the comments, that's exactly what I was looking for. Sometimes the random/unorganized thoughts are the best.

[dlintz]

I don't use live view at all. To be honest, MF with 100MP ZE is harder than with my other
two Zeiss lenses - 21 ZE and 35 ZE. It's much more precise, it's a macro lens, so it
is a much longer focus scale. No guessing allowed. The scale is much "shorter"
on the long side, so you don't need to preset or anything. I use the focus confirmation
all the time and it works. I would say I have a very high "success rate", but I don't
rush anything.





To be honest I don't shoot portraits to show publicly. But I do for myself.
I used to have both Canon 100 macro and 135L.
Comparing the 100 MP ZE to those two is quite hard.
Canon 100 macro was a typical macro lens which was sharp for macro,
but boring for normal usage. I actually think 135L is the best Canon lens
and it produces the images which feel the most Zeiss-like, maybe 50L is close.
But I like 100 MP ZE much more anyway. It might be a touch too contrasty for portraits
though. It enhances the microstructure and micro-contrast which requires a specific
friendly light to work for smooth skin, otherwise it might create slightly dragonized
images without your intension :) But if you're serious with your portrait work,
and you can control the light, than that lens will shine.
For everyday casual family pictures, I think a softer, less 3D-microcontrasty lens
would work better, I'm planning to get 24-70L when Canon updates it with IS
(I just sold my 24-70L and kind of regret it a bit) for everyday vacation family
photos. If Canon could do something like 24-105 f2.8L IS that would be even better,
24-105 f4L is not gonna work for me, as it's not great wide open and at f5.6
it's not a portrait lens anymore. I still have my 70-200 f4L IS which is great wide open
but too long for more universal usage.
I'm extremely happy with my 3 Zeiss lens combo - 21, 35 and 100MP and it covers
my landscape needs. The images have so much impact, they look so "real".
And I love the MF, it kind of gives you more joy working on a frame, hard
to describe why. But it requires precision and patience.
Sorry for my random, unorganized thoughts...

Argh. You're making me consider selling my beloved 135L for a 100MP.

On that note I'm very pleased with having chose the 35 ZE over the 35L.

The Zeiss lenses are outstanding.

d.

[snowboarder]

one more I like :)

http://www.lightandpictures.com/Stuff/5DII_0064.jpg

[snowboarder]

some spring flowers are popping around here :)



http://www.lightandpictures.com/Stuff/5DII_0460.jpg


http://www.lightandpictures.com/Stuff/5DII_0347.jpg


http://www.lightandpictures.com/Stuff/5DII_0378.jpg


http://www.lightandpictures.com/Stuff/5DII_0449.jpg

[windpig]

Snowboarder, thanks for the insight.

[snowboarder]

a few more taken today


http://www.lightandpictures.com/Stuff/5DII_0521.jpg


http://www.lightandpictures.com/Stuff/5DII_0531.jpg


http://www.lightandpictures.com/Stuff/5DII_0594.jpg


http://www.lightandpictures.com/Stuff/5DII_0617.jpg

[dm77]

snowbarder, the 100 is a great lens but my 50 f2 makro just came in and im in LOVE. imo the 50 f2 has closer makro range then the 100 due to the closer mfd and while i used to LOVE shooting @ 100mm, my tastes have changed over the years and provide to shoot more wide now. to each their own i guess.

killer shots as alwasys!

[zincozinco]

I did a job today and only used the 35 zf 50 zf and 85L, its so great using the mf lenses, very rewarding!! especially when working with available light and people.

[snowboarder]

a little Spring action :)


http://www.lightandpictures.com/Stuff/5DII_0651.jpg


http://www.lightandpictures.com/Stuff/5DII_0725.jpg


http://www.lightandpictures.com/Stuff/5DII_0830.jpg

[jetcode]

beautiful snowboarder ... crisp gorgeous color ...

[snowboarder]

Come on, nobody?


http://www.lightandpictures.com/Stuff/5DII_1338.jpg

[BigBlueDodge]

well, Snowboarder, I think people are scared to post. You have set the bar very high, and no one likes to follow the star in the main act...

[snowboarder]

well, Snowboarder, I think people are scared to post.

I hope it's not true. It's a stunning lens and I would love to see what other guys
are doing with it...

[J-B]

That last shot is great :)

[AKHOO]

Freaking brilliant job Snowboarder. I'm looking to improve my manual focus and some of your shots are breathtaking. Love the shot of the pelicans and those with the purple coloured flowers.

[snowboarder]

a few from yesterday's road trip...


http://www.lightandpictures.com/Stuff/5DII_1404.jpg



http://www.lightandpictures.com/Stuff/5DII_1476.jpg



http://www.lightandpictures.com/Stuff/5DII_1509.jpg



http://www.lightandpictures.com/Stuff/5DII_1936.jpg

[Ouessant]

Simply stunning !

[RyanB]

Looks great... wonder how it compares to the Contax version. Being able to focus closer would be nice :)

[ddong]

almost a $2000 lens! need cash!

[snowboarder]

http://www.lightandpictures.com/Stuff/5DII_2253.jpg


http://www.lightandpictures.com/Stuff/5DII_2349.jpg


http://www.lightandpictures.com/Stuff/5DII_2424.jpg


http://www.lightandpictures.com/Stuff/5DII_2484.jpg


http://www.lightandpictures.com/Stuff/5DII_2534.jpg

[Doc Fluty]

after shots like these you might have company in this section before too long ;) lol

[Omaru]

If only I didn't have bad eyesight I would really change my lens lineup to Zeiss lenses.

[jetcode]

If only I didn't have bad eyesight I would really change my lens lineup to Zeiss lenses.

I have bad eyesight, Zeiss and Leica lenses. The Leica APO 100 starts generating moire' in the viewfinder when it's focused, easier than other lenses. The Zeiss lenses do the same.

[Fuzzmuffin]

Goodness me, stunning pictures. I'll be replacing my Zeiss Contax 135mm Sonnar with this lens for sure!

[snowboarder]

let's keep it going :)


http://www.lightandpictures.com/Stuff/5DII_2671.jpg


http://www.lightandpictures.com/Stuff/5DII_2677.jpg

[RyanB]

let's keep it going :)


http://www.lightandpictures.com/Stuff/5DII_2671.jpg


http://www.lightandpictures.com/Stuff/5DII_2677.jpg

Mmm that bokeh is like borderline Rokkor 1.2 status right there.

[ugly_a]

I was browsing through some reviews online and found blurb on mflenses about this lens having crazy CA wide-open... anybody have an example of pronounced CA @ f/2 for this lens?

[Karl Johnston]

Too expensive for me I'm afraid, but those samples are stunning.

[snowboarder]

I'm gonna keep this alive, maybe someone will join eventually :)

Andrew


http://www.lightandpictures.com/Spring_2010/pictures/5dii_3502.jpg



http://www.lightandpictures.com/Spring_2010/pictures/5dii_4120.jpg



http://www.lightandpictures.com/Spring_2010/pictures/5dii_4350.jpg



http://www.lightandpictures.com/Spring_2010/pictures/5dii_4402.jpg



http://www.lightandpictures.com/Spring_2010/pictures/5dii_4428.jpg

[Doc Fluty]

beautiful

[Fuzzmuffin]

^^ My GAWD! Superb, snowb.

[BlueTsunami]

Man, that 100/2 Makro does the Painterly look without breaking a sweat :D . Its one of those lenses that makes a strong case for "lively" bokeh.

I absolutely love your fourth photograph, snowboarder. Its almost as if the flower in focus is breaking out from a painting.

[snowboarder]

Man, that 100/2 Makro does the Painterly look without breaking a sweat :D . Its one of those lenses that makes a strong case for "lively" bokeh.

I absolutely love your fourth photograph, snowboarder. Its almost as if the flower in focus is breaking out from a painting.

Finally! You are the first person who got what I was trying to show on that shot!
Thank you so much. Just for you, another version of that beautiful patch
of poppies in a deep grass...


http://www.lightandpictures.com/Spring_2010/pictures/5dii_4411.jpg

[Maiku]

I've been a fan of your work for a long time, but even so, these pics are FANTASTIC! Great work, keep posting this high-quality eye candy for the rest of us to enjoy =D

[jetcode]

the razor DOF is insane! ... some truly outstanding images here! The waves against the OOF clouds is spectacular.

[Tim3less]

Great shots.

...anyone have a pic of the lens itself -mounted preferably?
I'm seriously considering this lens as my next purchase, but can't seem to find any pics of the lens on a body, just wandering how big it is.

[p6889k]

Did any of you try this lens with extension tubes for larger magnification? Just wonder how it would compare to Canon's 100L at 1:1 magnification.

[snowboarder]

http://www.lightandpictures.com/Stuff/5DII_5268.jpg



http://www.lightandpictures.com/Stuff/5DII_5293.jpg

[Canonswhitelensesrule]

A-MAY-ZING photos!

[snowboarder]

http://www.lightandpictures.com/Spring_2010/pictures/5dii_5392.jpg


http://www.lightandpictures.com/Spring_2010/pictures/5dii_5724.jpg



http://www.lightandpictures.com/Spring_2010/pictures/5dii_5752.jpg

[Luminodio]

Sweet mother of pearl...these new ZE mount Zeiss lenses are capable of extraordinary things when put in the right hands. It's good to see someone doesn't mind MF either (although LV and a tripod does help significantly in this area).

Excellent display, snowboarder...excellent.

[denoir]

Damn you snowboarder, you are going to push me into financial ruin :( Those are some absolutely incredible images. I'm aware that it's a photographer/lens combination..but what a combination!

[Headshotzx]

I will not look at my 70-200 the same again :(

Your skills match the awesomeness of the Zeiss. Great job!

[snowboarder]

Sweet mother of pearl...these new ZE mount Zeiss lenses are capable of extraordinary things when put in the right hands. It's good to see someone doesn't mind MF either (although LV and a tripod does help significantly in this area).

Excellent display, snowboarder...excellent.

Thanks, frankly, I never use live view...

[snowboarder]

Damn you snowboarder, you are going to push me into financial ruin :( Those are some absolutely incredible images. I'm aware that it's a photographer/lens combination..but what a combination!

Thank you guys, would love somebody to show his pictures here :)

[p6889k]

Snowboarder,

I'll join you as soon as I sell my 100L

[Luminodio]

Thanks, frankly, I never use live view...
My apologies, I thought it was you that said something along the lines of "Live View changed the game" but I'm assuming that was someone else. I wasn't trying to take away from your work if that is the impression you got. I have a feeling that may be the case by your use of an ellipsis but I could be wrong.

[snowboarder]

My apologies, I thought it was you that said something along the lines of "Live View changed the game" but I'm assuming that was someone else. I wasn't trying to take away from your work if that is the impression you got. I have a feeling that may be the case by your use of an ellipsis but I could be wrong.

Of course not, come on, no worries here.
Just very often I feel like people here are saying good MF is only possible
with the live view and I wanted to let them know it's not true...
One little early Summer flower here, Spring is almost over....


http://www.lightandpictures.com/Spring_2010/pictures/5dii_6373.jpg

[nuffi]

If only I didn't have bad eyesight I would really change my lens lineup to Zeiss lenses.


I have terrible eyesight (-6 diopter) and the Zeiss 50mm almost never leaves my camera. The focus confirmation is great!

I was saving for a 100L but now I will save longer to get one of these instead.

[jdizzle]

I have terrible eyesight (-6 diopter) and the Zeiss 50mm almost never leaves my camera. The focus confirmation is great!

I was saving for a 100L but now I will save longer to get one of these instead.
I agree. Forget about the Canon 100L, I'd rather have the Zeiss instead. :)

[cwl]

Just browsed through the 100L and 135L then came to this thread and WOW, this is completely on a different league! The color and contrast are so much better and so lively. No wonder the price is double for the Zeiss. Guess I need work hard to earn more $$$ for the Zeiss then.

[snowboarder]

Yeah, this lens is something else...
You're welcome to visit my entire updated Spring gallery here:

http://www.lightandpictures.com/Spring_2010/


Mostly 100MP ZE and a few taken with my 35 ZE


Andrew

[cwl]

Photozone.de just posted ZE100 test results. Unbelievable sharpness and it out-resolved the 5d2 sensor. Nothing come close to it on resolution (below $2000) not even 135L or 85L.

[Maiku]

Man, I can't believe how badly I'm lusting for this lens...
As soon as I make the jump to full-frame, this purchase is pretty much guaranteed.

Snowboarder, I blame you! Keep on posting these amazing images please =D

[jetcode]

Just very often I feel like people here are saying good MF is only possible
with the live view and I wanted to let them know it's not true...


I just ordered 4 AF confirming adapters ... so I'd say your influence is running rather high at the moment ... now if I could find some killer subject to AF confirm on!

[Luminodio]

I just ordered 4 AF confirming adapters ... so I'd way your influence is running rather high at the moment ... now if I could find some killer subject to AF confirm on!
I hope people understand that snowboarder is an exceptional photographer with a strong creative eye. His work is more than just a single shot and involves exposure blending in post-processing work. The last thing I want to see a crap load of threads pop up asking if their copy of the CZ 100mm 2MP ZE is bad because their picture don't look like his. To be frank with you, they never will and that is bloody beautiful part of his work.

Not trying to ward anyone off from buying this lens or AF confirming adapters but I wanted to make clear exactly why most of us have been stressing that it's a marvel what this lens can do in the right hands.

Post up some more snowboarder, I am honestly captivated by the scenery you have access to and the moments you've been able to capture.

[Maiku]

I hope people understand that snowboarder is an exceptional photographer with a strong creative eye. His work is more than just a single shot and involves exposure blending in post-processing work. The last thing I want to see a crap load of threads pop up asking if their copy of the CZ 100mm 2MP ZE is bad because their picture don't look like his. To be frank with you, they never will and that is bloody beautiful part of his work.

Not trying to ward anyone off from buying this lens or AF confirming adapters but I wanted to make clear exactly why most of us have been stressing that it's a marvel what this lens can do in the right hands.

Post up some more snowboarder, I am honestly captivated by the scenery you have access to and the moments you've been able to capture.

I absolutely agree with you - it's pretty interesting to see how no one else in any Zeiss ZE thread can produce images as polished as his. Also interesting because he keeps asking people to show their work, (probably) knowing that fact full well.

Either way, snowboarder's work is a huge inspiration, so like you said, put up some more!! :D

[denoir]

Yeah, this lens is something else...
You're welcome to visit my entire updated Spring gallery here:

http://www.lightandpictures.com/Spring_2010/


Mostly 100MP ZE and a few taken with my 35 ZE


Andrew

This is some of the best nature photography that I've seen. And I don't mean here in this thread or the forums but ever. The compositions are great but what I most like is the play with highlights and shadows. Color and bokeh are also amazing.

I'm sure that the Zeiss glass contributes to this but I'm in full agreement with the rest here that it's a question of the right tools in the right hands.

[snowboarder]

This is some of the best nature photography that I've seen. And I don't mean here in this thread or the forums but ever.

Guys, I'm not sure what I should say, thank you all!!! :o

It's still a good lens ;)

Andrew

[jetcode]

I hope people understand that snowboarder is an exceptional photographer with a strong creative eye. His work is more than just a single shot and involves exposure blending in post-processing work. The last thing I want to see a crap load of threads pop up asking if their copy of the CZ 100mm 2MP ZE is bad because their picture don't look like his. To be frank with you, they never will and that is bloody beautiful part of his work.

Not trying to ward anyone off from buying this lens or AF confirming adapters but I wanted to make clear exactly why most of us have been stressing that it's a marvel what this lens can do in the right hands.

Post up some more snowboarder, I am honestly captivated by the scenery you have access to and the moments you've been able to capture.

I just love a good lecture ... :)
I thought the lens did all the work and all you had to do was point it at something ... :):):)

I bought the adapters for handheld MF because my eyes are bad. I use LiveView on a tripod for the best results because the AF system can't place or confirm focus across the entire frame. AF is truly limited to what many perceive as the most logical points of interest in a frame. I have a Leica APO 100 macro so you won't see anything from me in this thread. I still prefer stop down aperture control and LiveView on a tripod but Haoda had a 50% off sale.

[jetcode]

I absolutely agree with you - it's pretty interesting to see how no one else in any Zeiss ZE thread can produce images as polished as his. Also interesting because he keeps asking people to show their work, (probably) knowing that fact full well.

Either way, snowboarder's work is a huge inspiration, so like you said, put up some more!! :D

This is a Canon forum (likely 1 maybe 2 100ZE shooters) and while I agree that snowboarder produces great images I can assure you there are others using Zeiss gear that do so as well.

[jetcode]

I absolutely agree with you - it's pretty interesting to see how no one else in any Zeiss ZE thread can produce images as polished as his. Also interesting because he keeps asking people to show their work, (probably) knowing that fact full well.


This is a Canon forum and there are very few of us who have a ZE lens so it's not like there is a large pool of photographers contributing on a daily basis like the other lens threads here. SB is the life blood of the ZE movement here in Canonville.

[Doc Fluty]

hey!

others of us are trying too! lol

[Luminodio]

I just love a good lecture ... :)
I thought the lens did all the work and all you had to do was point it at something ... :):):)

I bought the adapters for handheld MF because my eyes are bad. I use LiveView on a tripod for the best results because the AF system can't place or confirm focus across the entire frame. AF is truly limited to what many perceive as the most logical points of interest in a frame. I have a Leica APO 100 macro so you won't see anything from me in this thread. I still prefer stop down aperture control and LiveView on a tripod but Haoda had a 50% off sale.
It wasn't directly aimed at you and surely you knew that. I just quoted you as you were the last person to have made a post in this thread. It's not like I'm not going to pick an AF confirmation adapter when I pick up the ZE 21mm 2D or ZE 100mm 2MP. I thought the last part of my semi-rant would've helped people understand that this was being spoken abroad but I guess not?

A Leica AP0 100mm eh? Awesome.

[Maiku]

This is a Canon forum and there are very few of us who have a ZE lens so it's not like there is a large pool of photographers contributing on a daily basis like the other lens threads here. SB is the life blood of the ZE movement here in Canonville.

Understood :) Snowboarder's presence on these forums is probably selling some ZE's though, so hopefully we'll see more work from a variety of people in here soon!

hey!

others of us are trying too! lol

I apologize - I didn't really mean anything by my comment, it was something along the lines of what denoir wrote when he said that it was some of the best nature photography he's ever seen. Keep on posting! It'll keep me occupied while I save up for my own ^_^

It was directly aimed at you and surely you knew that.

I think we're missing a key word in this sentence... ;)

[Luminodio]

I think we're missing a key word in this sentence... ;)
wasn't*

Fixed. :oops:

[Doc Fluty]

Understood :) Snowboarder's presence on these forums is probably selling some ZE's though, so hopefully we'll see more work from a variety of people in here soon!

i never even knew these lenses fit the canons until i saw SBs pics... zeiss deff got the sale from me because of SB

and no offense taking on that comment.. I know SB runs the show here.. in fact his work is intimidating.. i dont post some shots i like because i think it will take away from the zeiss threads he made so magnificent lol

[jetcode]

It wasn't directly aimed at you and surely you knew that. I just quoted you as you were the last person to have made a post in this thread. It's not like I'm not going to pick an AF confirmation adapter when I pick up the ZE 21mm 2D or ZE 100mm 2MP. I thought the last part of my semi-rant would've helped people understand that this was being spoken abroad but I guess not?

A Leica AP0 100mm eh? Awesome.

I think it's safe to say that a great photograph comes from a great source regardless of lens. IMO let the practitioner find out what it takes to make a great photograph. That's part of the fun. No need to spank them because they don't produce like others.

I have 5 (2 Leica, 3 Zeiss) lenses and 1 ZE hence the 4 AF adapters. I have not had great luck focusing without AF confirm hand held. No need for AF confirm adapter with ZE lenses.

[Luminodio]

I think it's safe to say that a great photograph comes from a great source regardless of lens. IMO let the practitioner find out what it takes to make a great photograph. That's part of the fun. No need to spank them because they don't produce like others.

I have 5 (2 Leica, 3 Zeiss) lenses and 1 ZE hence the 4 AF adapters. I have not had great luck focusing without AF confirm hand held. No need for AF confirm adapter with ZE lenses.
I'm not e-spanking anyone if that's what you are trying to insinuate.

I was simply reiterating what should be obvious but when it comes to POTN, we have an array of newbies and veterans alike so my post was more-so for clarity.

I'm picking up the AF confirming adapter for my 50mm 'lux when I pick up a ZE 100mm 2MP. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[jetcode]

Thanks Ravi.

[snowboarder]

How about posting some pictures :)


http://www.lightandpictures.com/Spring_2010/pictures/5dii_6464.jpg



http://www.lightandpictures.com/Spring_2010/pictures/5dii_6672.jpg



http://www.lightandpictures.com/Spring_2010/pictures/5dii_6982.jpg

[snowboarder]

http://www.lightandpictures.com/Spring_2010/pictures/5dii_6500.jpg


http://www.lightandpictures.com/Spring_2010/pictures/5dii_7590.jpg

[tom s]

Awesome, I will get this lens for my D40x :) and use it on Canon with an adapter :)

[Mast3rChi3f]

Snowboarder great job, i love the colors.
Next month i will have this baby too. :D:D

[jdizzle]

I love the last two Andrew. Good job!

[denoir]

http://www.lightandpictures.com/Spring_2010/pictures/5dii_6500.jpg


^^ Love this one. Great use of shadows, light & DOF.

[RyanB]

Getting closer and closer to selling my Contax for this (the macro capabilities look nice..) ahh!

[snowboarder]

Winter doesn't want to give up :)


http://www.lightandpictures.com/Spring_2010/pictures/5dii_8609.jpg


http://www.lightandpictures.com/Spring_2010/pictures/5dii_8601.jpg

[Mast3rChi3f]

The first one it's gorgeous.
I will join this thread very soon.:D

[snowboarder]

http://www.lightandpictures.com/Spring_2010/pictures/5dii_7641.jpg



http://www.lightandpictures.com/Spring_2010/pictures/5dii_8483.jpg

[zincozinco]

where the hell do you live man, its just spectacular!!! Maybe on the last one the green is a bit overly pushed, but beautiful.

[jay spec]

I was browsing through some reviews online and found blurb on mflenses about this lens having crazy CA wide-open... anybody have an example of pronounced CA @ f/2 for this lens?

just a random test pic i took while playing with the lens over at the borrowlenses.com office:

[ugly_a]

That's not an issue at all... I guess people blow up "issues" more than necessary. Thanks.

[jetcode]

A 1 or 2 pixel width of magenta at a high contrast edge of black and white which will challenge every lens ever made. In theory unless one is printing a mural large enough to fill an airport and standing 6 inches away from the print the CA in this case is what the industry calls "negligible".

[jay spec]

agreed. just thought i'd post what little ca i was able to find in the test image. it was my first time playing with the lens and i was definitely impressed by the results it produced (the above was taken with a 5d classic with no pp). the build quality was something else, definitely one of the nicest lenses i've handled.

[jetcode]

agreed. just thought i'd post what little ca i was able to find in the test image. it was my first time playing with the lens and i was definitely impressed by the results it produced (the above was taken with a 5d classic with no pp). the build quality was something else, definitely one of the nicest lenses i've handled.

I think by 2.8 CA disappears all together.

[Luminodio]

agreed. just thought i'd post what little ca i was able to find in the test image. it was my first time playing with the lens and i was definitely impressed by the results it produced (the above was taken with a 5d classic with no pp). the build quality was something else, definitely one of the nicest lenses i've handled.
I actually laughed at your post. I thought it was a well-played joke devaluing the CA issue by pixel peeping a white spray-straw. Not sure if it was, but I found it funny in that regard.

[Combatmedic870]

Come on, nobody?


http://www.lightandpictures.com/Stuff/5DII_1338.jpg


This is just a absolutely fantastic shot! It looks like the Oregon coast.

[Mast3rChi3f]

Finally i can join this thread.
Two test shots both f/2.0.

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/4001/zeiss100mmteste015.jpg

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/4901/zeiss100mmteste016.jpg

[svizec]

This is just a absolutely fantastic shot! It looks like the Oregon coast.
My favorite photograph in the thread. The colors and ... "shapeliness" is outstanding. I wish SB would have taken same shot with Canon 100mm L IS to see the difference... Tough decision between those two for me...

[Combatmedic870]

My favorite photograph in the thread. The colors and ... "shapeliness" is outstanding. I wish SB would have taken same shot with Canon 100mm L IS to see the difference... Tough decision between those two for me...

Agreed!

Well...Its not THAT hard of a decision.

100L
stabilized
1:1 macro
And Auto focus(doesnt matter so much doing macro)

CZ100
1:2 macro(So not true Macro)
Great colors and contrast.
Faster lens (F2)
Metal build

Soooooo... if you want AF and stabilization and 1:1 macro, Then get the 100L. Simple as that!
If you dont mind MF and dont mind to take your time to get the perfect shot and want the CZ contrast and colors(though it can be done in PP) and a F2 lens, look no further!

See not so hard! Both lenses are going to be probably just as sharp though =)

[Eclipsed]

If I had the money I would get the zeiss over the 100l. But alas I don't have the money for either, it's nice to dream though.

The pictures in this thread are some of the most amazing I have seen.

[snowboarder]

...and want the CZ contrast and colors(though it can be done in PP)

No, it can not be done. Trust me.

[Combatmedic870]

Lol! For some reason I knew that would be commented on! =)

[Mast3rChi3f]

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/3789/closeup100mm009.jpg

[svizec]

See not so hard!
I want both and have money for one. Now what? :)

No, it can not be done. Trust me.
I wish somebody would disagree with you and show the Zeiss look with some of his Canon 100mm work... But I haven't seen any such challenge taken online so I guess it will always remain a wish.

If anyone knows some Canon 100mm 2.8 (I or II) photos with Zeiss look, I would love to see them. I checked the (whole!) thread on this forum and haven't find any. In general, I can't seem to find many tests comparing those two. Not interested in sharpness, only color (contrast) rendition out of camera or at least with identical PP.

As for snowboarder, I think he should be receiving monthly contribution from Carl Zeiss for promoting their lenses so efficiently with his photos.

[snowboarder]

If anyone knows some Canon 100mm 2.8 (I or II) photos with Zeiss look, I would love to see them. I checked the (whole!) thread on this forum and haven't find any.


Look, you're trying to save a few euros, that's understandable.
But don't. You know what you want. I used to have Canon 100 macro lens.
Nothing special or unique about it. Sharp - yes. Boring - yes...
Get what you want now or get something else and always regret it until you'll
get what you want anyway :)

[snowboarder]

Mast3rChi3f, this is very pretty, I see you are already addicted my friend :)

[Double Negative]

If the "Zeiss look" were so easy to do in PP, then people wouldn't be buying Zeiss glass. They wouldn't even buy L glass, because surely that can be PP'ed as well. ;)

You can't PP the high micro-contrast (sharpness). You can't PP the bokeh (well, you can, but c'mon). The lenses have unique signatures to them because of their design. The transitions from IF-to-OOF. There is a definite, different philosophy behind Japanese and German lens designs. Even between Leica and Zeiss (Germany) and Canon and Nikon (Japan).

The colors and saturation, sure - of course you can PP those. But why, when you can have "that look" out-of-the-box? Time is money, and time spent PP'ing is time not well spent.

I won't even get into the build quality. Suffice it to say, AF aside - I'll take a Zeiss over an L any day.

[BlueTsunami]

I wonder if one can PP in the "Leica Glow" :cool:

[Combatmedic870]

Good god...ok enough...It can never be done...EVER. OK!


svizec...serioulsy...just get the zeiss...You would have a 100mm atleast instead of fretting over it!

[Combatmedic870]

Ok....now let see some more portraits with this lens!!

[Mast3rChi3f]

Both at f/2.0.

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/1237/fotosdecafe009.jpg

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/4341/fotosdecafe011.jpg

[RubenFreitas]

Excellent quality Mast3rChi3f! This Zeiss its simply stunning!

[Double Negative]

I wonder if one can PP in the "Leica Glow" :cool:

Sure, just use the "Veiling Flare" filter. :D

Good god...ok enough...It can never be done...EVER. OK!

Hehehe... Just bustin' chops, man. :)

[Ouessant]

This is one of my favorite threads on POTN, but guys, I really hate you !
Makes me wanna sell everything I own to buy Zeiss glass.
Must...resist...
Must NOT buy a Zeiss lens ! :D

[Double Negative]

I passed on a barely used 2/100 ZE yesterday... Which is both a "whew" and a "damn."

[jdizzle]

I passed on a barely used 2/100 ZE yesterday... Which is both a "whew" and a "damn."
I bought it and returned it. It really isn't a focal length I would ever use. :)

[Luminodio]

I bought it and returned it. It really isn't a focal length I would ever use. :)
Did you really? Was it purely based on focal length preference?

[rwong2k]

I bought it and returned it. It really isn't a focal length I would ever use. :)

yeah i had the 100/2.8 macro before and i found that 100mm FL wasn't what i used fo rmy style of shooting much, i decided to go with the 50/2.0 macro instead, better FL for my shooting purposes

but the 100 MP c/y version is known for it;s sharpness and colours/ 3d pop

[Double Negative]

I have to agree, 100mm is a bit of an odd focal length for me as well... It's good for the macro crowd that enjoys flowers and bugs though as it gives you some working distance. But I have tubes for that...

I'm mostly interested in it because of the legendary C/Y version and shooting it normally, wide open - rather than stopped down and at macro distances. I suppose the 85mm would probably be a better choice for this.

Zeiss definitely do tune their lenses for particular focus ranges... So using one of the "Makro" lenses for regular shooting is probably not the best idea. I don't know if this holds true with the ZE lenses, but I would imagine so.

[RyanB]

I never really shot at 100mm before I had the C/Y, but ever since I bought the lens I just work with/around it to keep it on my 5D as much as I can. I"ve gotten used to shooting at 100mm in a variety of circumstances now. I have the Canon 85 1.8 and I just never... ever... ever use it. I think it's going to be sold soon here, and I'm going to start the hunt for a good moderate wide-normalish lens that is about on par with the C/Y 100mm. I'm leaning towards the ZE 35mm but want to check it out first. My Sigma 50 is great, but its no Zeiss 100. Any suggestions?

As Double Negative said, there are definitely ideal ranges for the Zeiss lenses, but I think the Makro 2/100 might be an exception - from everything I've read and seen, it excels at just about anything.

[rwong2k]

I never really shot at 100mm before I had the C/Y, but ever since I bought the lens I just work with/around it to keep it on my 5D as much as I can. I"ve gotten used to shooting at 100mm in a variety of circumstances now. I have the Canon 85 1.8 and I just never... ever... ever use it. I think it's going to be sold soon here, and I'm going to start the hunt for a good moderate wide-normalish lens that is about on par with the C/Y 100mm. I'm leaning towards the ZE 35mm but want to check it out first. My Sigma 50 is great, but its no Zeiss 100. Any suggestions?

As Double Negative said, there are definitely ideal ranges for the Zeiss lenses, but I think the Makro 2/100 might be an exception - from everything I've read and seen, it excels at just about anything.

I was debating between the ZE 21 and 35 for quite a while and I ended up purchasing the ZE21 for landscapes, for fashion I'd use the 35mm FL more often so hopefully when the 35/1.4mk2 comes out I'll get that for my 35mm range instead of the ze 35

But that's just my shooting style =)

[jdizzle]

Did you really? Was it purely based on focal length preference?
Yes. :) It's fine piece of glass but, after a few shots with it, I don't see myself using this focal length ever. I'm really not a macro/flower/bug type shooter. The focal length doesn't tickle my fancy at all. I certainly couldn't use this for portraiture either. I got my 85L to cover that range. I love good glass but, I don't obsess over having 40 lenses sitting in storage. I only buy glass that I know I'll use.:)

[XPLOSV]

BAD IDEA!!! clicking on this thread, O M G.. hope I can forget about this len.. or else I have to sell something to get it.

I wonder how this len or any of the line up perform in term of taking Wedding portrait.

[ekie]

I never really shot at 100mm before I had the C/Y, but ever since I bought the lens I just work with/around it to keep it on my 5D as much as I can. I"ve gotten used to shooting at 100mm in a variety of circumstances now. I have the Canon 85 1.8 and I just never... ever... ever use it. I think it's going to be sold soon here, and I'm going to start the hunt for a good moderate wide-normalish lens that is about on par with the C/Y 100mm. I'm leaning towards the ZE 35mm but want to check it out first. My Sigma 50 is great, but its no Zeiss 100. Any suggestions?

As Double Negative said, there are definitely ideal ranges for the Zeiss lenses, but I think the Makro 2/100 might be an exception - from everything I've read and seen, it excels at just about anything.

i say go for the 35ze! id love one myself but cant justify having both that and distagon 35/1.4. also dont want to get rid of the 35/1.4 either although the 35ze is very tempting

[Mast3rChi3f]

Zeiss please give us a 35/1.4 ZE. :oops::p

Some shots with this lovely lens.

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/2196/voltaailha004.jpg

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/3862/voltaailha013.jpg

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/9650/voltaailha015.jpg

[sangjiny]

This lens is in my radar... just need to decide whether to buy it new and get shooting or try to wait for one used... decisions, decisions, decisions...

[banpreso]

Both at f/2.0.

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/1237/fotosdecafe009.jpg

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/4341/fotosdecafe011.jpg

wow i love the 2nd shot! where's the point of focus?

[Mast3rChi3f]

wow i love the 2nd shot! where's the point of focus?

In the cigarette.

[fidens]

wow i love the 2nd shot! where's the point of focus?

16th moustache hair down, 7th from the left.

Sharpish.

[Luminodio]

wow i love the 2nd shot! where's the point of focus?
Single nostril hair.

This lens looks as though it can be seriously unforgiving with it's relentlessly sharp output. ;)

[denoir]

It's hard not to love this lens. Sharp as I don't know what, fantastic colors and contrast and a bokeh that is beyond anything any other lens I've tried can produce.

http://peltarion.eu/img/zeiss/zeiss100-1.jpg

http://peltarion.eu/img/zeiss/zeiss100-2.jpg

http://peltarion.eu/img/zeiss/zeiss100-3.jpg

http://peltarion.eu/img/zeiss/zeiss100-4.jpg

The only good light I got this day - lasted a whole of five minutes.
http://peltarion.eu/img/zeiss/zeiss100-5.jpg

http://peltarion.eu/img/zeiss/zeiss100-7.jpg

And one more bokeh for the road.

http://peltarion.eu/img/zeiss/zeiss100-8.jpg

[Maiku]

http://peltarion.eu/img/zeiss/zeiss100-7.jpg



Nice Gitzo bokeh :D

[banpreso]

ok now i want one!

[Mast3rChi3f]

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/2061/rabacal25fontes269.jpg

http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/4184/rabacal25fontes264.jpg

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/671/rabacal25fontes043.jpg

[BlueTsunami]

That Blue Jay shot. Oh my god :D

[Luminodio]

That Blue Jay shot. Oh my god :D
Exactly what I was thinking, except I probably would've said 'sweet mother of pearl' rather than what you did.

[denoir]

Nice Gitzo bokeh :D

Hehe, correct, well spotted.

Hugo: Nice photos - I especially like the two last ones. Really nice bokeh.

A few more:

http://peltarion.eu/img/zeiss/zeiss100-11.jpg

http://peltarion.eu/img/zeiss/zeiss100-13.jpg

http://peltarion.eu/img/zeiss/zeiss100-14.jpg

[Mast3rChi3f]

Thanks denoir.

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/7320/rabacal25fontes050.jpg

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/8048/rabacal25fontes028.jpg

[JelleVerherstraeten]

The bokeh that this macro produces is a level up against the 100L I had.

Mast3rChi3f love the birdshots!
Denoir, your last one is amazing.

Do you guys shoot wide open doing macro with this lens?

[denoir]

Denoir, your last one is amazing.

Do you guys shoot wide open doing macro with this lens?

Thanks!

Well, to tell you the truth it isn't much of a macro lens. It's very good for closeups, but not true macros (it's got 0.5x magnification unlike the 100L that has 1x).

I have actually some attempts at macro shots. I was chasing around a ladybug (small one). These shots are taken at MFD - it's as big a magnification you are going to get. If I remember correctly they were shot wide open.

http://peltarion.eu/img/zeiss/zeiss100-22.jpg

http://peltarion.eu/img/zeiss/zeiss100-23.jpg

http://peltarion.eu/img/zeiss/zeiss100-24.jpg

http://peltarion.eu/img/zeiss/zeiss100-25.jpg

Of course it's still crazy sharp at MFD. Here is a 100% crop from the shot above:
http://peltarion.eu/img/zeiss/zeiss100-25-crop.jpg

[Luminodio]

Dumb question, but if your goal was to get a lens to specifically assist in environmental portraiture, would you suggest the 21mm 2.8 ZE D over the 100 2 MP? Just looking for insight from those who own both or have owned them in the past. I know I'm getting the 21mm 2.8 ZE D in two weeks regardless, but I am wondering if the 100 2 MP lends anything special to the realm of portraiture (environmental most specifically) that the 135mm 2L couldn't.

[J-B]

Dumb question, but if your goal was to get a lens to specifically assist in environmental portraiture, would you suggest the 21mm 2.8 ZE D over the 100 2 MP? Just looking for insight from those who own both or have owned them in the past. I know I'm getting the 21mm 2.8 ZE D in two weeks regardless, but I am wondering if the 100 2 MP lends anything special to the realm of portraiture (environmental most specifically) that the 135mm 2L couldn't.

I wouldn't buy a telelens for environmental portraits.
I use a 35mm for that. 21mm is possible too, if you want some more of the environment in the photo.