-=WIN XP Explorer RAW Viewer RELEASED=-

[shkspr]

just found this on microsofts web site

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=d48e808e-b10d-4ce4-a141-5866fd4a3286&DisplayLang=en

it installs a shell[?] to see canon and nikon raw images in widows explorer. i know that adobe does the same, but for quick sorting of images i find win exp faster. hope this helps.....:lol:

shkspr

[Halliday]

Just downloaded it. I'll give it a spin.

[PhotosGuy]

It seems to work pretty well. Thank's for the link!

[lomond]

Thanks for the link shkspr.
It seems to work well. :)

[Rob612]

Downloading right now. We'll see.

[Hellashot]

Irfanview (free image viewing program) has been able to view my Drebel RAW files for a while now (probably viewing the embedded JPG). So what's the point of this thing from MS?

[jfrancho]

Irfanview (free image viewing program) has been able to view my Drebel RAW files for a while now (probably viewing the embedded JPG). So what's the point of this thing from MS?I've been trying to figure this myself. I suppose for some it might be easier to organize them if you can see them. I'm used to giving files meaningful names so this doesn't really do much for me. I'll give try though, you never know.

[RobbTC]

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0506/05061501msrawthumb.asp (http://www.dpreview.com/news/0506/05061501msrawthumb.asp)

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=d48e808e-b10d-4ce4-a141-5866fd4a3286&DisplayLang=en (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=d48e808e-b10d-4ce4-a141-5866fd4a3286&DisplayLang=en)

Addins for Windows XP


Robb
http://www.robbware.com (http://www.robbware.com)

[RobbTC]

Here's the documentation:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/info.aspx?na=90&p=&SrcDisplayLang=en&SrcCategoryId=&SrcFamilyId=c927cccf-4cb7-4f92-afaa-6f16663b23b4&genscs=0&u=http%3a%2f%2fdownload.microsoft.com%2fdownload%2 f9%2fe%2f9%2f9e9ed5b0-492a-4f6c-856d-84e31d11ed15%2fViewing+and+Organizing+RAW+Images+i n+Windows+XP.doc



Well now I'm annoyed, I tried to install it and it only works on XP SP2 and I've resisted SP2 b/c Explorer hangs up on my network...

Oh well, there's the info for any XP SP2 people out there ;-)

Robb
http://www.robbware.com

[CyberDyneSystems]

I'm pretty sure what I just installed was 7 MB of RAW viewer and 40MB of MS sanctioned mandatory Spyware for keeping track of valid OS registration (on the surface) and who knows what much more insidious info tracking and reporting crap that the .net framework does.

My guess is that MS will know all our RAW exif now for some reason.....

But then .. I'm paranoid...

Where's my Tinfoil hat.... ?

[cmM]

I'm pretty sure what I just installed was 7 MB of RAW viewer and 40MB of MS sanctioned mandatory Spyware for keeping track of valid OS registration (on the surface) and who knows what much more insidious info tracking and reporting crap that the .net framework does.

My guess is that MS will know all our RAW exif now for some reason.....

But then .. I'm paranoid...

Where's my Tinfoil hat.... ?
LMAO :lol: :-P
to hell with it then... I'm not touching it. :D

[jfrancho]

You're a little late: http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=79509

[CyberDyneSystems]

I won't be installing this on mY home PC.. that much is certain...

[RobbTC]

Ahhh, post processing....

Oops... Mods can kill this thread then... Thanks! ;-)

[Tom W]

just found this on microsofts web site

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=d48e808e-b10d-4ce4-a141-5866fd4a3286&DisplayLang=en

it installs a shell[?] to see canon and nikon raw images in widows explorer. i know that adobe does the same, but for quick sorting of images i find win exp faster. hope this helps.....:lol:

shkspr

This is weird - I can already view RAW images as thumbnails in explorer. Not sure why that is true, but it is.

[CyberDyneSystems]

Ahhh, post processing....

Oops... Mods can kill this thread then... Thanks! ;-)

Better yet,. it's merged.. you had some good linkage :)

[chakras]

installed it and somehow it does work - I didn't expect that the first time:lol:. Now waiting for the first crash:twisted:

[bcaloia]

This little nugget (ok... big nugget) for all the windows XP users out there.... they now support raw images!


http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=d48e808e-b10d-4ce4-a141-5866fd4a3286&DisplayLang=en


BC

[DReb-MO]

Not sure if I'd be signing up for a 50MB download for file viewing in explorer...

[tim]

More threads on this subject.

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=79509
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=78552
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=76864
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=76851
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=76855

[elbirth]

Not sure if I'd be signing up for a 50MB download for file viewing in explorer...

There's no signing up for anything, and the 50mb file size is because it includes the .Net framework in case you don't already have it installed. It actually works really well, and worth the download if you view thumbnails in Explorer

[Bob_A]

Just downloaded it and it works fine. Nothing really to set up and the installation was painless.

[felix21685]

how many times are we going to have to validate windows? geez..

[ssim]

how many times are we going to have to validate windows? geez..

I'm with you on that one. http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif

[CyberDyneSystems]

Yah.. this is the part that has me nervous.. I don't like it when MS creates new "features" which allways equals "exploit"

[Curtis N]

But then .. I'm paranoid...Where's my Tinfoil hat.... ?I'm paranoid too, but anyone with a broadband internet connection has worse things to worry about than Microsoft.

It was pretty seamless. There is an option to download without validating Windows, which I selected. After the restart I opened a folder full of .CRW files in Windows Explorer, switched to thumbnail view, and voila! Double-clicking opens the viewer (if you set it up that way), and I think I'm going to like the slideshow option for "post chimping." It's nice to see the images full-screen.

Many thanks to shkspr for the link!

[chakras]

how many times are we going to have to validate windows? geez..

Aah, but I skipped that part. You can go directly to the download.

[lostdoggy]

It is easier to install the THM hack and view the thumbnail.

[dave_bass5]

and you can print directly from a folder with it
Ok its only usefull for quick proofs because you cant edit it but still better than having to open another program up.

Dave.

[ghamden]

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=d48e808e-b10d-4ce4-a141-5866fd4a3286&displaylang=en

[ghamden]

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=d48e808e-b10d-4ce4-a141-5866fd4a3286&displaylang=en

[Zeke]

Geez. Imagine how long it will take for a Longhorn version.

[Master-9]

Mac OS X for life :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Ron Lacey]

Geez. Imagine how long it will take for a Longhorn version.

You don't have to wait for MS, I've been using a free shell extension from dpMagic for Canon RAW files for sometime. As well it's only a 1.7mb download compared to MS 50mb.

http://www.dpmagic.com/index.html

[arunchs]

Ah! Its for XP and only XP! They seem to have ensured that users of older versions of Windows can't use this. The website says it is for XP and "This program is not recommended for use on any other version of Windows."

MS is gently trying to push you to upgrade!!

[airds]

Microsoft RAW Image Thumbnailer and Viewer for Windows XP

"The Microsoft RAW Image Thumbnailer and Viewer is a free “PowerToy” for Microsoft Windows XP that provides the ability to view, organize, and print photos captured in RAW image formats from supported digital cameras."

yadda, yadda ...... usual riders apply

Download from here http://************/fma9

[MrThanh]

it also doesnt work without SP2. I no longer have SP2 installed because it's really annoying. it also made my PC slow down considerably.

[dave_bass5]

Ron, the MS one will show the image full screen when you double click on it. you can also run a slide show or right click to print.
I didnt think the free dpmagic viewer could do this.
also its been pointed out that the file size for the viwer is only about 7mb and the rest is made up of .net 1.1 which is needed.
I dont think there is anyway to seperate them yet.

Dave.

[PhotosGuy]

I may have run into a snag with this. I processed a couple tiffs from raw in RSE, & tried to save a 3 layer image. Got "Can't save as the image is being used in another program". Had to use Save As.
Tried to delete the original tiff in explorer & got the same thing. Couldn't move files to the desktop so I could drag them into the bin.
I'll see what happens after I reboot later, but I suspect that the problem is that the viewer is using the files & causing the problem.:mad:

[Ron Lacey]

Ron, the MS one will show the image full screen when you double click on it. you can also run a slide show or right click to print.
I didnt think the free dpmagic viewer could do this.
also its been pointed out that the file size for the viwer is only about 7mb and the rest is made up of .net 1.1 which is needed.
I dont think there is anyway to seperate them yet.

Dave.

The free community edition will do slide shows and full screen previews, I don't think you can print form it but I wouldn't do that even if it could. I don't know about the MS file size, the page says 50mb, I haven't dowloaded it nor will I since I've already got all the functionality I need. Actually more since all I want to do is browse thumbs to quickly find a file.

I wasn't saying one was better than the other just pointing out that there have been third party shell extensions to view RAW files in WindowsXP Explorer almost since Win XP was introduced, I had one back in 2002 for my D60, MS has came late to the party :).

Ron

[dave_bass5]

Ron, sorry didnt mean to imply you were saying one was better.
I also had dpmagic ce and when ever i double clicked on a cr2 file PSCS2 would open rather than XP picture/fax viewer showing it at fdull screen
i must admit i didnt go into the settings for it, just didnt realise it could do it.

Dave.

[Wavy C]

Thanks for that link Ron - this seems a far more economical program (in computer terms) than putting even more MS bloat on my hdd.

[Ron Lacey]

Ron, sorry didnt mean to imply you were saying one was better.
I also had dpmagic ce and when ever i double clicked on a cr2 file PSCS2 would open rather than XP picture/fax viewer showing it at fdull screen
i must admit i didnt go into the settings for it, just didnt realise it could do it.

Dave.

Not at all:D . I must admit I didn't go into the settings much myself, I just wanted the thumbnail views in explorer and on my desktop that's all I have, the files themselves are associated with RAWShooter Essentials but when I replaced my laptop last year I downloaded and installed DPmagic on it and found it did include a viewer similar to the XP Picture Fax viewer that did most of the same things.

Ron

[LouDawg]

Just downloaded it, and I must say its rather nice. I did at one time have a thumbnailer (forget which program) that did a decent job but this RAW Viewer from MS is much faster. I give it two thumbs up. Kind of rare that MS actually does something well, which they did this time IMO.

[mr.photoguy]

good find :@

[drisley]

Thanks ghamden!

[PhotosGuy]

I may have run into a snag with this. I processed a couple tiffs from raw in RSE, & tried to save a 3 layer image. Got "Can't save as the image is being used in another program". Had to use Save As.
Tried to delete the original tiff in explorer & got the same thing. Couldn't move files to the desktop so I could drag them into the bin.
I'll see what happens after I reboot later, but I suspect that the problem is that the viewer is using the files & causing the problem.
I restarted the computer, opened explorer & tried to delete the files again. No go, same as before.
Uninstalled the raw viewer & rebooted. Files deleted!
Looks like WInDoze struck again! If I were you, I'd wait for the at least the first patch to come out before you install this!

[chakras]

Didn't work for me. Uninstalled it. Too Slow.:evil: 17.9 Mb installed size just for RAW viewing is a bit on the higher side.

[PhotosGuy]

Considering that RSE is under 5MB & works like a champ, I'll be using that as before. ;-)

[chakras]

And of course so many IT guys in this forum, who is going to take the initiative to convert dcraw to windows as a shell extension (keep it freeware please ...):lol::lol::lol::lol:

http://www.cybercom.net/~dcoffin/dcraw/dcraw.c

[KurtKuhn]

I restarted the computer, opened explorer & tried to delete the files again. No go, same as before.
Uninstalled the raw viewer & rebooted. Files deleted!
Looks like WInDoze struck again! If I were you, I'd wait for the at least the first patch to come out before you install this!

Frank-

Thanks for sharing your experience. Sounds as if the viewer is a bit "clingy" as it latches a hold of files.

-KK

[alfa1six4]

Picasa 2(google) has been out for months and you can view and edit raw files with it. Not a 50mb download either.

[Miika]

Four minor issues with the XP RAW Viewer:

1 Deleting files with it: corresponding THM-files are not deleted (it is obvious that they are left there if RAW viewer doesn't know about them). Also the "Are you sure you want to delete?" defaults to "no" causing one extra keystroke.

2 It doesn't remember window state: It never opens maximized.

3 It only shows unedited data

4 only some of the EXIF data is displayed, it seems that the THM-files are totally ignored. This is probably to gain additional speed.

Extremely fast tool for quickly browsing RAW pictures, I will frequently use it :)

[BrianEE93]

This not being able to delete is driving me crazy. How do you report problems to MS?

[lomond]

This not being able to delete is driving me crazy.

Me too. :evil:
It's got to go.

[KurtKuhn]

Picasa 2(google) has been out for months and you can view and edit raw files with it. Not a 50mb download either.

Picasa2 is great as a viewer / organizer. I'm also impressed with its modest editing capability. I hope they add support for *.cr2 files.

-KK

[lancea]

This not being able to delete is driving me crazy. How do you report problems to MS?
The Microsoft newsgroups are often very effective, and Microsoft people spend a lot of time answering questions this way. Not sure whether the RAW viewer will be covered as it is "unsupported", but you could try ...

I think the most relevant group is "Windows XP Photos". You can get to the online newsreader at http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroups.mspx.

[BrianEE93]

Thanks lancea!

[Miika]

Thanks for the link to the newsgroup, I posted the bug report there. Let's see if it gets any feedback there.

Miika

[Curtis N]

It only shows unedited dataI have discovered this too, and it sorta bugs me.

If I have an underexposed image and use DPP to crank up the exposure comp, then save the changes, you'd think the MS thumbnailer/viewer could read that too, but it doesn't, even after refreshing the folder. It only displays the image with original shot settings.

[pdrow]

I, too, jumped on the bandwagon and downloaded. Today, I unloaded it. Oh well, it was a nice thought. Maybe the next version will be better and we can all give it another go.
pam

[BrianEE93]

I just checked and noticed the published date is now 6/20. Has anyone tried it lately?

[Miika]

It's the same version regardless of the date.

The newer (the 47.7 MB full installer) file is a little bit smaller than the 6/18 version - but no functional difference. (I de-installed the first one, downloaded and installed the newer one).

Probably they have fixed a typo in the README, thus the new compression for installer.

Miika

[BrianEE93]

So this is the second change? The version I downloaded was dated 6/12.

[SWPhotoImaging]

I'm with CDS on the MS ".net" crap being mostly for Microsoft's benefit, rather than the user. Each new MS product comes with more background crap that fills up disks, chokes processors and eats RAM until there's not enough of anything left to run your applications in.

But MS sure has good stats on your workflow . . . .

[dave_bass5]

I'm with CDS on the MS ".net" crap being mostly for Microsoft's benefit, rather than the user. Each new MS product comes with more background crap that fills up disks, chokes processors and eats RAM until there's not enough of anything left to run your applications in.

But MS sure has good stats on your workflow . . . .

Then dont upgrade any MS products. if it works why change it.
I assume if your running a PC your using XP. XP is only there to run other programs and if .net is a part of that whats the problem?
thats like saying XP is more for MS benifit rather than the end user.
Yes its all getting very bloated but thats because we insist on more functions and the original version of XP couldnt handle it. dont forget XP has been out for a few years now

Im not sticking up for MS but some people seem to kick MS no matter what they do.

Dave.

[KBarno]

I recently downloaded the RAW viewer off of the windows site. After installation it was great being able to view my RAW images without having the use the canon viewer. Then I realized that I had a minor problem. I could no longer delete files in windows explorer. I kept getting an error about the file was opened by another application. I then uninstalled the RAW viewer and I am able to delete files again.

Has anyone else encountered this issue? :confused:

I have been shooting RAW in my 10D and this would have been a great short cut to weed out the bad shots prior to other applications.

[SeanH]

I DL'ed & installed that and nothing happened........no new program, and nothing but CS opens RAW. .......ya got me???

[Hellashot]

All you need to view RAW files is Irfanview a free image viewing program. It views the embedded JPG in the RAW file. It view my Drebel RAW files.

[shiato storm]

i installed it and it shagged my comp so I took it off again.

[Miika]

There's some progress with the development, and a workaround for the "file is in use" -problem.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroups/reader.mspx?dg=microsoft.public.windowsxp.photos

Miika