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[jetcode]

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[pickupman92]

I'm sorry, you can explain all you want, but it's just a piece of trash to me. I understand you might see a message, but unless the majority of the people looking at the picture can see that, then there's really no way to convey it, unforunately. Did you at least throw it away when you were done photographing it?

[OdiN1701]

That photo is trash!

Hah...sorry had to do that one.

I don't like it, but I imagine it could be sold as modern art. Personally to me most modern art is rubbish, but lots of people buy it so hey.

[jetcode]

Sorry I didn't pick up the trash ... and yes this as art is a stretch for 99.9% of the population. The explanation is standard critique.

Odin I was at the modern art museum in Prague in the late 90's and the entire top floor was a show by someone who took B/W photographs of iconic personalities and painted a big black or red X in spray paint through each one of them. Hundreds of pieces.

As far as I can tell imagery manifests in different form and interpretation from literal to non literal and each form has it's own set of rules in art circles. After shooting trees and rocks for 5 or more years other things become appealing to someone who gets tired of standing in the sticks freezing their ass off waiting for 37 seconds of glory ...

[Flo]

Sorry I didn't pick up the trash ... and yes this as art is a stretch for 99.9% of the population. The explanation is standard critique.

Odin I was at the modern art museum in Prague in the late 90's and the entire top floor was a show by someone who took B/W photographs of iconic personalities and painted a big black or red X in spray paint through each one of them. Hundreds of pieces.

As far as I can tell imagery manifests in different form and interpretation from literal to non literal and each form has it's own set of rules in art circles. After shooting trees and rocks for 5 or more years other things become appealing to someone who gets tired of standing in the sticks freezing their ass off waiting for 37 seconds of glory ...

Oddly enough though Joe, those photos you got tired of taking actually get you the most positive response? Ironic.

[jetcode]

Oddly enough though Joe, those photos you got tired of taking actually get you the most positive response? Ironic.

True but my work is more about pleasing me than it is about pleasing others. This photograph pleases me because I have the eye to know what I am looking at and how to frame it and print it. The landscapes of recent were shot out my doorstep. I am long past weekend drives to some remote hole to come back with something that has been shot 1.4 million times in the last year. I still like landscape it's not my only choice. If I lived in S.F. I would probably spend a year shooting the street.

[Flo]

Not really Flo because it is more about pleasing me than it is about pleasing others ... The landscapes of recent were out my doorstep. I am long past weekend drives to some remote hole to come back with something that has been shot 1.4 millions in the last week.

But what if you get "The One" that nobody else got? I go to the same places over and over, looking for something I missed, and every time I find quite alot of things I have missed .

[jetcode]

But what if you get "The One" that nobody else got? I go to the same places over and over, looking for something I missed, and every time I find quite alot of things I have missed .

Many walk past great photographs daily on the way out to get the one no one got ...

[Flo]

Many walk past great photographs daily on the way out to get the one no one got ...

And thats why we have The Masters:D

[OdiN1701]

True but my work is more about pleasing me than it is about pleasing others. This photograph pleases me because I have the eye to know what I am looking at and how to frame it and print it. The landscapes of recent were shot out my doorstep. I am long past weekend drives to some remote hole to come back with something that has been shot 1.4 million times in the last year. I still like landscape it's not my only choice. If I lived in S.F. I would probably spend a year shooting the street.

There's your problem. Stop going to the places that are done 1.4 million times. Or, better yet, see them in a different perspective and take something from the same spot as everyone else that nobody else has captured. I do go to commonly photographed places. But I also go to places that aren't along the way.

[mikekelley]

No matter how you try to explain it the subject is boring, dull and dirty.

[navydoc]

Art, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. It's a good thing too otherwise we'd have nothing but photos of sunsets and skinny blonds with big bazooms to look at.

While this particular image doesn't hold my interest or make me want to study it to see what is it about the photograph that appeals to me, it may to others. Certainly it does for one individual, the person that took the photo...and that's justification enough.

[jetcode]

There's your problem. Stop going to the places that are done 1.4 million times. Or, better yet, see them in a different perspective and take something from the same spot as everyone else that nobody else has captured. I do go to commonly photographed places. But I also go to places that aren't along the way.

Problem? I shoot what I want when I want. The only real problem I have is not many see the way I do and insist I am missing a screw or two.

[PBeeee]

I think you are pressing too many literal interpretations for this kind of image. The relationships you are describing are not actually important to this image's success or failure. This kind of image has to largely stand on visceral reactions not contrived ones. It is one thing to shoot and then ascribe interpretations and another to stage a shot to illustrate desired interpretations. Both have a home in fine art photography but the first is the typical entry point for most artists while the second needs a more discerning eye and perhaps a developed style thus relieving the artist of any need to explain.

So in plain english, for me your explanations do not help the image. Frankly I think the main reason the shot does not succeed is simply it is too tight and centered. There are some reactions to it on that technical level that cannot be squared away by any explanations of relationships, textures or colors. Edgy and out there still follow some basic art 'rules' to succeed, to get that positive visceral reaction. In even plainer english, it is hard to find art just lying in the gutter.

[jetcode]

My explanation is a demonstration of a the kind of critique I learned for an entire quarter. I did not mean it to give reason to be viewed as a image but to point out the kind of elements I look for when creating an image from an object where ever it may be found. Most people think I shoot random thoughtless boring things and this is a demonstrated case that while that may be true for the observer it is not true for me the photographer.

[jetcode]

In even plainer english, it is hard to find art just lying in the gutter.

Not so ... art is completely subjective.

It is hard to find art just lying in the gutter that you can accept as a statement of art, and that yes, I get clearly.

[vk2gwk]

My first impression after a glance: "interesting". Technically: I would have cropped it much tighter. The color combination is nice and with a tighter crop, people might even be guessing what it is.
Art can be picked up from the gutter. Some will recognise it as such and some won't.

[LEDZEPPALAN]

i see a teeth bitten polstyrene cup, and nail scrathching halfway down the cup,
its intresting,because the scratching is below the part were its been drank from,
the cut bottom, has been ripped open,but not all the way, why not all the way?

the bubbly paper has nothing to do with the same person, the seems to be cocerned about somthing or deep in conversation,, the teeth marks were made everytime he took a drink,

thats how i see the shot, i hope this is how you found it and not set it up?....
alan

[jetboy]

Most people think I shoot random thoughtless boring things and this is a demonstrated case that while that may be true for the observer it is not true for me the photographer.

If this photo has a story for you, the photographer, then that is great and keep shooting these same images. But, I feel that a photograph, especially one placed in the CC for other observers, should tell a story. I read a lot of text in your initial post and, unfortunately, the text spoke 10x more than the photo did. "A picture speaks a thousand words" isn't even close to what I see here. Although, I'm just an observer who just sees a random thoughtless boring thing. It would take more than a quarter of photography classes and BS critiques to get me to believe anything else.

[jetcode]

I'll make sure to post a waterfall for you next time ... photography has no limits people on the other hand ...

If this photo has a story for you, the photographer, then that is great and keep shooting these same images. But, I feel that a photograph, especially one placed in the CC for other observers, should tell a story. I read a lot of text in your initial post and, unfortunately, the text spoke 10x more than the photo did. "A picture speaks a thousand words" isn't even close to what I see here. Although, I'm just an observer who just sees a random thoughtless boring thing. It would take more than a quarter of photography classes and BS critiques to get me to believe anything else.

[jetcode]

where you are with your craft is none of my business ...

If this photo has a story for you, the photographer, then that is great and keep shooting these same images. But, I feel that a photograph, especially one placed in the CC for other observers, should tell a story. I read a lot of text in your initial post and, unfortunately, the text spoke 10x more than the photo did. "A picture speaks a thousand words" isn't even close to what I see here. Although, I'm just an observer who just sees a random thoughtless boring thing. It would take more than a quarter of photography classes and BS critiques to get me to believe anything else.

[goosfrabaa]

I think it has potential but I personally don't like the angle. The way it's shot makes it look extremely 2-dimensional to me, maybe thats what you were going for but I would have like the cup to fill the frame a bit more and be at an angle that gives it a bit of depth. As far as you're ideas on lines, I like the idea but I think that the elements you sighted don't have enough visual "weight" (or whatever you want to call it, strength maybe) to draw in the average viewer.

but that's what just ocurred to me, I could be completely off no idea. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and for those who believe anything is just a piece of trash, it is possible to find beauty in anything. Its just harder to find it in some things.

[Cetre]

As long as you like it, it's really all that matters. Enjoy your photograph, even someone else thinks it's trash.

[robertn]

Centerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...

[jetcode]

Do you think I should re-shoot it?











Do you think I will ever be able to recreate this specific image again?

[jetcode]

help me out here ... could you edit the image and show me what makes it work for you and if possible describe why it works with your edit.

[OdiN1701]

Problem? I shoot what I want when I want. The only real problem I have is not many see the way I do and insist I am missing a screw or two.

Your problem is that you are dismissing common places as places that can produce good images, simply because everyone has "been there done that" before. It shows a lack of vision. I don't mind going to commonly photographed places because I like the challenge of finding something that hasn't been done before.

[jetcode]

Odin ... If I was at one of these sites I would shoot it as I would shoot anything else but I won't make a special trip just to photograph these sites. Lots of things to explore.

Here are some samples of unique landscape work that does interest me.

Rolf Horn
http://www.soulcatcherstudio.com/artists/horn.html

Frans Lanting
http://www.lanting.com/index.shtml

Roman Loranc
http://www.westongallery.com/loranc_roman.htm

There are several hundred artists in this genre and I would rather enjoy their work than try to compete by obtaining better images. The ones who do this work as a career teach and often depend on low cost living to survive. Couple that with spending the night in a tent at Arches in -20 to get snow on delicate arch and one can see why that isn't in my game plan. If for some reason I happen to be at a site like Yosemite I will shoot it. But it's been done by the best pro's in the world. I've studied with a few of them.

Here's some work that is very interesting to me.
http://dariaendresen.com/gallery/

Jerry Uelsmann
http://www.westongallery.com/uelsmann.htm


Your problem is that you are dismissing common places as places that can produce good images, simply because everyone has "been there done that" before. It shows a lack of vision. I don't mind going to commonly photographed places because I like the challenge of finding something that hasn't been done before.

[williejr]

If you like it, that all that matters. If hear people saying your picture is centered, rule of thirds, no leading lines, its trash, they don't like the crop or they just don't like your pciture.

Remember photography is subjective and so is art. You don't need a techincally correct picture for it to be perfect.