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sei
21st of June 2005 (Tue), 03:14
Hi, my friend is using (2years) Canon. Now i'm buiying new camera, and don't know if i should buy Olympus, Nikon or Canon. Some people like Canon bof good Lenses, some Olympus. Nikon is like god.. always be the best.
So what buy ?

weemannie
21st of June 2005 (Tue), 03:53
We might be biassed :lol: :lol: :lol:

I suggest going to a shop and trying some out.

tim
21st of June 2005 (Tue), 03:58
Canon are the market leader, and there's a good range of stuff for them. You should try them out in person if you can, and price how much the system would cost you over 5 years. Include the camera, some memory (2*1GB is good), a standard lens, a wide angle lens, a macro lens, a telephoto lens, a low light lens, and a couple of batteries. Even if you don't buy them all, that will tell you about how much each option would cost.

Eg with Canon you might price the Tamron 28-75 as a standard lens, the Canon 50mm F1.4 as a low light, the Sigma 105mm macro as the macro lens, the Canon 10-22 as your wide lens, and the 70-200 F4 or F2.8 IS as your telephoto. Batteries $12 from sterlingtek.com. Can't help with other brands.

Rob612
21st of June 2005 (Tue), 04:56
Agree with Weemannie, we actually ARE biased. And strongly ! :D Best thing to do is go out and first try the look and feel of the various systems. After that, come back for tech considerations.

ron chappel
21st of June 2005 (Tue), 05:03
Olympus are overpriced for what you get and waaaay overhyped
Their lenses are said to be excellent but the camera itself is slightly sub par.

Canon tend to give outstanding value,the best image quality and most usefull features.Also they have a stagering range of awsome lenses at reasonable prices

Nikon are slightly (only slightly!) behind canon in several areas but are still very desirable and worth having.They have a huge range of awsome lenses that are abit higher priced than canon for what you get.

One thought that may effect your choice.
While the canon's have better overall image quality they tend to need post proccessing to make the images look their very best .
Nikon are closer to 'right' straight from the camera

The nikon way is slightly like the way digicams are setup with all their settings are at the limit .Straight from the camera the images are at their best but if you want LESS contrast or sharpness then you'll degrade the image doing so

Kostyanych
21st of June 2005 (Tue), 08:40
..., the Canon 10-22 as your wide lens, and the 70-200 F4 or F2.8 IS as your telephoto. Batteries $12 from sterlingtek.com. Can't help with other brands.

Tim, have you ever work for advertising agency? :)
You didn't put the price for the 70-200 F2.8 IS, but you put the price for the battery... ;)

A want to say SLR world is bl^%&* expensive compared to the compact cameras world.
But you know what you are paying money for. :)

BrandonSi
21st of June 2005 (Tue), 08:47
http://www.usa.canon.com/html/advertising/popup/images/0228_Gatlin_White_Lenses.jpg

blue_max
21st of June 2005 (Tue), 10:17
Like I'm actually going to admit I made the wrong choice here :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

It wasn't coincidence I bought Canon myself.

Graham

chap
21st of June 2005 (Tue), 18:05
Sei,

I was a Nikon film SLR user for several years before going digital with a number of point and shoot cameras. When I moved to a DSLR, I abandoned my Nikon gear in favor of Canon. It's largely a matter of personal preference, but I thought Canon offered a better overall system. To me it seems that Canon leads the pack on lens technologies (USM and IS) and I find the UI of the Canon bodies to be much more user-friendly than the equivalent Nikons.

The best advice you can get is what Rob612 said. Go out and try the various bodies and lenses you're considering and decide which feels best to you. You'll probably be a lot happier with a camera that feels right and the technical differences will all even out over time.

chap

CyberPet
21st of June 2005 (Tue), 18:49
I was going with the Nikon D70, but then Canon announced the 350D and the choice was so much easier. Now I could buy the lenses I would not be able to afford otherwise, and get a GREAT camera. Next upgrade (well more like 2nd body) will be the 20D or the equvivalent of it, next summer. :)

Titus213
21st of June 2005 (Tue), 19:52
I would eliminate Olympus right off the bat.....I've shot Canon for 20+ years having just gone digital with the 300D. I gave my wife a Canon 35 mm, our son a Canon 35 mm, and our daughter a Canon 35 mm. The choice was made based on the system available, not the single camera. And I believe Canon has the more complete and affordable system.

Nikon has a great camera and a pretty good system. But affordable? Depends on your definition...They lost me when one of their dealers tried to convince me that the Nikon lens mount was standard and everyone else was backwards....:lol:

Try them at the store, do your research, then decide. I've never regretted my Canon decisions.

kenyc
21st of June 2005 (Tue), 19:57
I looked at the Canon DIgital Rebel(300), Rebel xt(350) Nikon D70 and Minolta 7D and chose the Canon 20D based on features, available accessories, price.

KAC

Hellashot
21st of June 2005 (Tue), 22:20
For dSLRs I wouldn't even look at Olympus. Their sensor is so small it results in a 2x factor for focual lengths.

johnnybfan
21st of June 2005 (Tue), 23:16
Hi, my friend is using (2years) Canon. Now i'm buiying new camera, and don't know if i should buy Olympus, Nikon or Canon. Some people like Canon bof good Lenses, some Olympus. Nikon is like god.. always be the best.
So what buy ?

I always thought that Canon was the camera god.:confused::confused::confused: If you want a real camera buy Canon. Choose something else....oh well, I guess you didn't listen. :):):)

hmongstang
21st of June 2005 (Tue), 23:52
i sold my soul to canon! nuff said..

drisley
22nd of June 2005 (Wed), 00:09
http://www.usa.canon.com/html/advertising/popup/images/0228_Gatlin_White_Lenses.jpg
For some reason people assume white lenses are Canon.
But in reality, Nikon and Minolta have white telephoto lenses too.

rich_yau
22nd of June 2005 (Wed), 01:50
For some reason people assume white lenses are Canon.
But in reality, Nikon and Minolta have white telephoto lenses too.

Yeah, I got confused. I am the photo editor for my hs yearbook and the Lifetouch pro was using a white telephoto at graduation. When the pics were submited to me, they were from a d70. There goes my poor vision again.

kinda off topic, but is there any practical use for that reddish/orange rubber strip thing? my dads old N60 has it too.

EddieA
22nd of June 2005 (Wed), 03:13
about 32 years ago (no, it's not that long a story :) ), my brother wanted an SLR, we both researched the current models for quality, system, features etc and he bought the Canon EF.
About 20 years ago I wanted to change to SLR from 35mm rangefinder after researching again I bought the Canon T70.
This year we both went digital - and wanted entry-level DSLRs to try it out - after researching our options (as we were going to AF as well - a whole new lens system meant we could look at Nikon etc, without worrying about previous investments in equipment - just present needs and future upgrades etc) - we each bought a 350D, and invested again in the Canon System.
Each of those times we researched, especially Nikon v Canon and Canon always had the edge.
I think prior to 30 years ago Nikon was the essential pro and, later, snob camera. Although Nikon make excellent product, I don't think Canon has ever managed to overcome that legacy although they have consistently beaten Nikon technically. Just IMHO, of course :)

kenyc
22nd of June 2005 (Wed), 04:51
about 32 years ago (no, it's not that long a story :) ), my brother wanted an SLR, we both researched the current models for quality, system, features etc and he bought the Canon EF.
About 20 years ago I wanted to change to SLR from 35mm rangefinder after researching again I bought the Canon T70.
This year we both went digital - and wanted entry-level DSLRs to try it out - after researching our options (as we were going to AF as well - a whole new lens system meant we could look at Nikon etc, without worrying about previous investments in equipment - just present needs and future upgrades etc) - we each bought a 350D, and invested again in the Canon System.
Each of those times we researched, especially Nikon v Canon and Canon always had the edge.
I think prior to 30 years ago Nikon was the essential pro and, later, snob camera. Although Nikon make excellent product, I don't think Canon has ever managed to overcome that legacy although they have consistently beaten Nikon technically. Just IMHO, of course :)

++ Well Said ++

KAC

chrisvw
22nd of June 2005 (Wed), 06:00
We are very, very biassed! :D :D Canon make some excellent cameras but so do Nikon I would have a look around at all the DSLRs. But, I would never use any other brand then Canon they make the best cameras and the best lenses.

tacos3
22nd of June 2005 (Wed), 07:53
You have to try stuff out for yourself. Like many have said, it's a personal preference. If you look at the R&D investment that Canon is making in: 1. Chipsets 2. Sensors 3. Glass, it's hard to compete against Canon. Nikon procures it's sensors from Sony and the integration cost of bringing in that kind of technology in from the outside, immediately increases cost and time to develop product. Just look at the releases of DSLR products. Canon ~18 month release cycle. Nikon ~24-30 month cycle.

Both companies make great cameras, and it's a personal choice. My vote was made and confirmed every weekend when I watch football and you see all those pro shooters with those big, WHITE, 300, 400 2.8 lenses that I drool over....

Medic1
22nd of June 2005 (Wed), 07:55
I love Canon......of course, as said, we are biased......a friend shoots with Nikon with great results, but I find that when I compare Nikon and Canon lineups (lenses etc.), I see more of use in the Canon lineup than Nikon. Even if I had to go back to square one, I would not even hesitate...Canon all the way

CyberDyneSystems
22nd of June 2005 (Wed), 09:12
Nikon is like god..

But she is a fickle God... that giveth and taketh away and smites without warning...

Canon (Kwanon) is a generous God... and much more worthy of your adulation and worship! :lol: :lol:

Seriously.. if you think Nikon is allways best why ask?

I used to think Nikon was best back when 35mm was still relevent (to me) but as for Digital I like Canon.

Andy_T
22nd of June 2005 (Wed), 10:12
I used to think Nikon was best back when 35mm was still relevent (to me) but as for Digital I like Canon.

Must have been the time when you were still praising the virtues of 28-300 hyperzooms (Yeah I remember that thread :lol: )

But it was the same with me :shock:

Even though having some NOINK lenses and a NOINK 601 AF still at home, for me the decision to go to Canon was a simple one when I bought my first DSLR. (OK, I admin, that was after I got my G2 in 2003 because the NOINK 5700 was just too expensive :o )

Best regards,
Andy

ScottE
22nd of June 2005 (Wed), 21:56
A (quite a) few years ago I had to switch to a new SLR camera system when Konica quit making SLR's. I looked at all the systems and chose Canon. At the time Pentax was a little weak, but I didn't think there was much difference in quality between Canon, Minolta and Nikon. The other brands seemed to be having trouble developing reliable and affordable autofocus systems.

One of the main reasons I chose Canon is that they had abandoned the mechanical FD system and adopted the totally electronic EOS system. All the other manufacturers were trying to jury rig their old mechanical systems to work with electronic cameras.

The other manufacturers have now done a good job of adapting their systems to electronic cameras, but some of their older lenses are not fully functional on some of their newer cameras. Every EOS lens works on every EOS camera because the system was designed from the ground up for modern cameras and lenses.

At this time however, I don't really think there is any significant advantage to one brand over the other, as long as you get current versions of lenses for the non-Canon brands.

Scott

lostdoggy
22nd of June 2005 (Wed), 23:05
As far as DSLR is concern Canon has the upper hand. It has in house R&D and manufacture capability that Nikon has farmed out to subcontractors. The Technology for sensors is CMOS and from the bottomup Canon DSLR are CMOS. If you want CMOS in Nikon you need to look at the D2X and that is a 1.5X camera at $4000 and not quite a 1DMKII at 1.3X nor a 1DsMKII at full frame. The D70 is a 6MP vs XT at 8MP. The iso in the D70 is 200 to 1600 and the XT is at 100 to 1600+. The Nikon is not as good as the XT at above 800. The AF is better on the XT at low light. But, most of all we here at the POTN are just darn nicer group of people... Join the Canon family and be happy!!!

picture-this
23rd of June 2005 (Thu), 02:23
Do your research and it will point out what choice to make.

CyberDyneSystems
23rd of June 2005 (Thu), 06:20
Must have been the time when you were still praising the virtues of 28-300 hyperzooms (Yeah I remember that thread :lol: )


http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze2hdzu/pics/roflmao.gif

Hey.. I TRIED to be nice to the Nikon guys... But your point is too spot on... :lol:

Actually.. I think the D2X is a freaking amazing camera as well.. anyone looking for a $5K Camera could do well with Nikon right now no problem.. the D2X sits very comfortably between the 1DMkII and 1Ds MkII cameras both in capability and price.

lostdoggy
23rd of June 2005 (Thu), 06:38
Just give Canon a few more month and D2X will fade to the wayside when 1D2MKIII is released. I could see a full frame 12MP w/ DiGiC III and maintaining the 8.5fps.