So Apple's new release got me thinking...

[mvshutter 2009]

When do you think canon will come out with something truly revolutionary among the DSLR world? Apple continues year after year to create products that really change peoples lives. (in a way) Sure canon has the new 7D and 5D Mk II, which err both game changing cameras. But when will we see something completely new to DSLR's? I'm not talking about shooting HD video or anything. Don't get me wrong, i absolutely love all my canon gear and never see myself changing brands. I can't even think of much they could do. What are some ideas you can come up with for DSLR's that have never been seen before?

[Njv]

Nope.

[bacchanal]

Well, it wouldn't be totally revolutionary, but I think it would be pretty sweet to see a version of Hasselblad's True Focus technology come to a DSLR...though I have no idea how well it actually works or how useful it would be in practice.

Btw, what's so revolutionary about a big iPod Touch?

[montanawild]

Well, it wouldn't be totally revolutionary, but I think it would be pretty sweet to see a version of Hasselblad's True Focus technology come to a DSLR...though I have no idea how well it actually works or how useful it would be in practice.

Btw, what's so revolutionary about a big iPod Touch?


BINGO! To small and too big at the same time. LOL:cool:

[themadman]

Btw, what's so revolutionary about a big iPod Touch?

It costs about as much as a Kindle and does way more than what a Kindle does. Plus it has a IPS display to show off all my fancy photos.

[Todd Lambert]

I think the major misnomer here is the term revolutionary. It most certainly is not, but is merely evolutionary at best.

Btw, I think Canon and the 5D2 video was pretty groundbreaking actually. I mean, before it, there was nothing even remotely capable of that type of video quality that had a slew of cheap lenses to go with it.

I also thing the Canon 300D was a pretty big party crasher, as it made digital photography possible for many many people and really started the digital landslide.

[liupublic]

Drooling over iPad right now. Trying to talk to the wife into getting one for her birthday so I can use it for live view shooting and HDR shooting. How about HDR on the fly on iPad.

It's also a great device to backup pictures on the fly when on long trip.

My dream: use iPad to sync camera and various flash/lighting system. Adjust flash power ratio and etc. Maybe a light meter w/ a USB feedback loop.

[Erik_L]

I don't find it all that great. 1024x768, 16 GB and 1 Ghz... sounds like the specs of a cheap-ish netbook, and they cost less. I'm sure it will be great and all, but I would wait for the 2nd or 3rd generation before I hop on board. Completely disgussed that they're still using that horrific UI for such a wonderful device- my money is on the fact that they will release a new firmware/UI for the next generation iPad and the new iPhone, whenever it comes out.

[ctham]

I think the major misnomer here is the term revolutionary. It most certainly is not, but is merely evolutionary at best.

Btw, I think Canon and the 5D2 video was pretty groundbreaking actually. I mean, before it, there was nothing even remotely capable of that type of video quality that had a slew of cheap lenses to go with it.

I also thing the Canon 300D was a pretty big party crasher, as it made digital photography possible for many many people and really started the digital landslide.

My thoughts exactly. Don't forget the 5D classic, which made FF available in a smaller body, along with an affordable price. I'd love to have eye-focus back, and higher flash sync speeds, but even those are not "new" or revolutionary.

[Brett]

I don't find it all that great. 1024x768, 16 GB and 1 Ghz... sounds like the specs of a cheap-ish netbook, and they cost less. I'm sure it will be great and all, but I would wait for the 2nd or 3rd generation before I hop on board. Completely disgussed that they're still using that horrific UI for such a wonderful device- my money is on the fact that they will release a new firmware/UI for the next generation iPad and the new iPhone, whenever it comes out.

And typing on a screen sucks, and likely will always suck. Netbooks win by a long shot for anyone who has any serious amount of writing to do.

The iPhone was revolutionary when it was released...the iPad, not so much, from my view.

I don't think the technology exists for a huge revolution in DSLRs. EVFs? No serious photographers want them, at their current state of development. Formfactor isn't likely to change until the mirror box can be eliminated, and that means a great EVF.

IS technology has come a long way, along with 1080p/24 video, so there's been some significant leaps. Look at the 7D compared to the 50D...quite a leap in technology there.

[Persephone]

Btw, I think Canon and the 5D2 video was pretty groundbreaking actually. I mean, before it, there was nothing even remotely capable of that type of video quality that had a slew of cheap lenses to go with it.

Nikon beat Canon to the punch with the D90. :)

[tkbslc]

Didn't they have windows tablets in like 2003?

[tkbslc]

Nikon beat Canon to the punch with the D90. :)

But the video quality is a bit lacking, IMO.

[ianh]

Drooling over iPad right now. Trying to talk to the wife into getting one for her birthday so I can use it for live view shooting and HDR shooting. How about HDR on the fly on iPad.

It's also a great device to backup pictures on the fly when on long trip.

My dream: use iPad to sync camera and various flash/lighting system. Adjust flash power ratio and etc. Maybe a light meter w/ a USB feedback loop.

Will either of those be possible considering it's not running a normal OS X? I'm not familiar with Canon's SDK, but somebody would have to write those apps, no?

[NovusPhoto]

How about a camera that implodes in the hands of people who are willing to shoot for free - or damn near - and de-value the industry? Pretty hard to find work when you have some student willing to work for a hug and some admiration.

Not that I'm bitter or anything.


Nope.

[Todd Lambert]

I think the naysayers need to watch this:

Apple iPad Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFNQE_TzQNI)

LMAO!

[tkbslc]

Drooling over iPad right now. Trying to talk to the wife into getting one for her birthday so I can use it for live view shooting and HDR shooting. How about HDR on the fly on iPad.

It's also a great device to backup pictures on the fly when on long trip.

My dream: use iPad to sync camera and various flash/lighting system. Adjust flash power ratio and etc. Maybe a light meter w/ a USB feedback loop.

You could do all this with a $300-400 Netbook running windows or linux. Plus the $900 one only has 64GB, so that's not exactly a huge amount of storage. Just buy a bunch of $20 8GB cards.

Looks purty, but I can't see it really being widely used as it is not really smaller than a laptop and doesn;t really do anything a laptop cannot do.

[ed rader]

When do you think canon will come out with something truly revolutionary among the DSLR world? Apple continues year after year to create products that really change peoples lives. (in a way) Sure canon has the new 7D and 5D Mk II, which err both game changing cameras. But when will we see something completely new to DSLR's? I'm not talking about shooting HD video or anything. Don't get me wrong, i absolutely love all my canon gear and never see myself changing brands. I can't even think of much they could do. What are some ideas you can come up with for DSLR's that have never been seen before?


you mean like the first sub $1k DSLR or the first commercially successful FF camera that was the benchmark for IQ for nearly three years?

ed rader

[OregonRebel]

It costs about as much as a Kindle and does way more than what a Kindle does. Plus it has a IPS display to show off all my fancy photos.

A Kindle costs $250 and has a battery life of two weeks (vs. $500 & up and ten hours for the iPad). Plus, it's much easier to read on a Kindle than on a backlit display. Not to knock the iPad since it will have its place, but the Kindle is superior as a book reader.

[themadman]

A Kindle costs $250 and has a battery life of two weeks (vs. $500 & up and ten hours for the iPad). Plus, it's much easier to read on a Kindle than on a backlit display. Not to knock the iPad since it will have its place, but the Kindle is superior as a book reader.

Compare apples to apples please (no pun intended). The 9.7" Kindle costs a lot. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0015TG12Q/ref=s9_simi_gw_p349_t1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=068XRASE7P3RFAC19HQ2&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938631&pf_rd_i=507846

$489 is damn close to $499 to me =)

Plus who cares if it is back lit? Just invert the colors so fonts are white and the rest is black.

The Kindle may be a better book reader, but it is a worse everything else, lol.

I think the naysayers need to watch this:

Apple iPad Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFNQE_TzQNI)

LMAO!

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[liupublic]

You could do all this with a $300-400 Netbook running windows or linux. Plus the $900 one only has 64GB, so that's not exactly a huge amount of storage. Just buy a bunch of $20 8GB cards.

Looks purty, but I can't see it really being widely used as it is not really smaller than a laptop and doesn;t really do anything a laptop cannot do.

Lousy display on most netbooks though. A small IPS panel is very attractive. Not all that interested in the 3G version. Looking at the $700 64gb version.

I wonder how much monitor adjustment can be made.

[liupublic]

Will either of those be possible considering it's not running a normal OS X? I'm not familiar with Canon's SDK, but somebody would have to write those apps, no?

There is already an apps that does this on the iphone/ipod touch. Just need to make the screen output larger. It's a DSLR Camera remote SW. Pretty cool thing. The screen on an iphone is just a bit too small though.

http://www.ononesoftware.com/detail.php?prodLine_id=38

[mvshutter 2009]

Well I don't think it is revolutionary at all. I don't want an Ipad at all. I was just using todays announcement as an example.

Well, it wouldn't be totally revolutionary, but I think it would be pretty sweet to see a version of Hasselblad's True Focus technology come to a DSLR...though I have no idea how well it actually works or how useful it would be in practice.

Btw, what's so revolutionary about a big iPod Touch?

[Canonboi]

What's so "revolutionary" are you seeing in the iPad? Look here: http://i.gizmodo.com/5458382/8-things-that-suck-about-the-ipad?skyline=true&s=i

[Erik_L]

I wonder how much monitor adjustment can be made.

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it's Apple, it's a mobile platform, and it has no open-ness in terms of customization. The only hope is that someone gets real OS X, Linux, or Windows running on it :)

Otherwise, it's just another stupid toy to cart around with you. I love my 3G (iPhone...) but I know that it is not going to be 10 times better just because it is 3 times bigger. $250 netbook can do almost anything you guys want, but rendering HDRs from 6 raw exposures will make your eyes bleed - and your battery cry.

[liupublic]

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it's Apple, it's a mobile platform, and it has no open-ness in terms of customization. The only hope is that someone gets real OS X, Linux, or Windows running on it :)

Otherwise, it's just another stupid toy to cart around with you. I love my 3G (iPhone...) but I know that it is not going to be 10 times better just because it is 3 times bigger. $250 netbook can do almost anything you guys want, but rendering HDRs from 6 raw exposures will make your eyes bleed - and your battery cry.

Need that i7 notebook w/ a great OLED display and 16gb of ram. The only problem is that I rather spend that $2k on a lens or 5d2 instead.

[mvshutter 2009]

I would've much rather seen apple come out with a new OS for the iphone or even a new iphone. I don't like the idea of the tablet. And yes, I do agree the 7d and 5d mark 2 are amazing cameras. I was just looking to see what ideas you can all come up with. I am not hating on canon at all...

[ImRaptor]

Yeah, not really seeing any revolutionary parts in Apple with their "iPad". Apple popped in an IPS screen to a netbook tablet system, Canon popped in some HD video to a DSLR system. Yep, seems evolutionary to me and a far cry from revoultionary.

[nicksan]

It costs about as much as a Kindle and does way more than what a Kindle does. Plus it has a IPS display to show off all my fancy photos.

I have a Kindle DX and a bunch of technical documents in PDF. Match made in heaven.

The iPad is nothing more than an enlarged iPod Touch. That said, if it can somehow read PDF's natively, then yeah, I'll buy it.:lol:

[mvshutter 2009]

Again, I am not saying it was revolutionary. It was an example only.

Here, new question. Do you see NEW, not upgraded technology coming out from canon? Or maybe current technology it cameras such as hassleblads becoming cheaper over time and being featured in pro-sumer and pro canon bodies?

[nicksan]

Again, I am not saying it was revolutionary. It was an example only.

Here, new question. Do you see NEW, not upgraded technology coming out from canon? Or maybe current technology it cameras such as hassleblads becoming cheaper over time and being featured in pro-sumer and pro canon bodies?

Why don't you tell us what you have in mind.
A camera takes pictures...pretty simple.

[mvshutter 2009]

well I don't really have anything in mind. Thats why i posted this, to see what everyone else can come up with. got any cool ideas?

[Erik_L]

and a tablet displays graphics, pretty simple...

or is it?

[liupublic]

How about this?

For the new Canon evolutionary DSLR, a new AI SW to automatically suggest framing/exposure change according to your style. The AI SW will take 100 of your favorite photos and come up with a style.

Even better, the AI SW can suggest the change in a slightly abusing manner.

Wait a minute. I think I already have a wife for this job.

[ed rader]

Why don't you tell us what you have in mind.
A camera takes pictures...pretty simple.


the more they get. the more they whine. incredible :D.

ed rader

[nicksan]

and a tablet displays graphics, pretty simple...

or is it?

Is there anything besides taking pictures (and now videos) a camera is supposed to do? Nope. So most of the time, it is going to be evolutionary. However we now have usable ISO12800, and even ISO25600. A few years ago I remember maxing out at ISO1600. I would call that revolutionary in some respect.

What more do you want?

[mvshutter 2009]

I am not complaining about what I have. As stated, I love canon gear. I think my 40d is amazing. I'm not whining. I just thought I would post and listen to some ideas. Who doesn't like to think out loud? Not saying I'm disappointed with today's cameras. I think what one can do with a camera is incredible. All I wanted to do is read some ideas.

[Erik_L]

to what extent can take a picture, how fast, how quickly it focuses and which section in the frame it can focus. You sound like a fool when you say "all a camera is supposed to do is take pictures"

You can take a picture using a light-proof milk jug, a piece of film taped to the bottom of the inside and a tiny hole drilled in the cap - but it's not a very good picture!

For what it is, the iPad is great, but it doesnt interest me immediately.

[ImRaptor]

Is there anything besides taking pictures (and now videos) a camera is supposed to do?

Maybe Canon will make a cellular based WAN connection in the camera. So you can immediately post to POTN the picture you just took, even before you've looked at it.

I guess even that isn't revolutionary these days with point and shoots able to upload directly to facebook/photobucket/flickr/etc from the camera via Wi-Fi.

Ooo ooo, I know.

I would like my camera to be able to feed me while I look though the view finder. You know, maybe it could just push some bacon into my mouth while I frame up a shot.

[spiralspirit]

Compare apples to apples please (no pun intended). The 9.7" Kindle costs a lot. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0015TG12Q/ref=s9_simi_gw_p349_t1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=068XRASE7P3RFAC19HQ2&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938631&pf_rd_i=507846

$489 is damn close to $499 to me =)

Plus who cares if it is back lit? Just invert the colors so fonts are white and the rest is black.

The Kindle may be a better book reader, but it is a worse everything else, lol.


do compare apples. You cannot compare the eink display to an lcd display - they just don't compete. The lcd display can play videos, will be cheaper for the same resolution, will be color, etc.

An eink display is expensive, the bigger the more expensive. But it is absolutely perfect for reading books on. I know this because I have a sony prs-300, and the eink display on it is just like reading paper.

As an ebook reader anything with an eink display wins hands down. Soon the price of the displays and thus the readers will drop, but until then 9" are expensive. As anything else, even a $300 netbook beats an ebook reader - because they aren't meant to be that.

Its like comparing food processors to potato peelers - they don't do the same thing at all.

[Erik_L]

Maybe Canon will make a cellular based WAN connection in the camera. So you can immediately post to POTN the picture you just took, even before you've looked at it.

I guess even that isn't revolutionary these days with point and shoots able to upload directly to facebook/photobucket/flickr/etc from the camera via Wi-Fi.

Ooo ooo, I know.

I would like my camera to be able to feed me while I look though the view finder. You know, maybe it could just push some bacon into my mouth while I frame up a shot.

Then the vegans would be pissed. They would want the VF to shoot grapes - but what will we do when the VF is replaced by live view alltogether? Everyone knows that glass is more than capable of secreting bacon, but a plastic LCD?

[nicksan]

Plus who cares if it is back lit? Just invert the colors so fonts are white and the rest is black.

The Kindle may be a better book reader, but it is a worse everything else, lol.


But the Kindle IS a book reader and is advertised as nothing more than that. I bought my DX specifically to read PDF documents and it sure does kick some serious behind doing that. It was well worth the money I spent on it.

What good is an iPad to me if it can't easily read my PDF's? (Unless it can in which case I retract what I just wrote!)

[Tortie]

Here, new question. Do you see NEW, not upgraded technology coming out from canon
How about cameras that will be capable of taking pictures at night with fast shutterspeeds and whatever aperture you choose with little to no noise. That and lenses with FLs ranging from 10-500 with apertures around 1.0 that aren't massively huge and weigh a ton.

[GSeries1]

I would like my camera to be able to feed me while I look though the view finder. You know, maybe it could just push some bacon into my mouth while I frame up a shot.

If Canon were an American company it would already do that... Actually we would just make a bacon feeder with a camera attached.

[nicksan]

to what extent can take a picture, how fast, how quickly it focuses and which section in the frame it can focus. You sound like a fool when you say "all a camera is supposed to do is take pictures"

You can take a picture using a light-proof milk jug, a piece of film taped to the bottom of the inside and a tiny hole drilled in the cap - but it's not a very good picture!

For what it is, the iPad is great, but it doesnt interest me immediately.

I do?
OK then...:lol::rolleyes:

[nicksan]

If Canon were an American company it would already do that... Actually we would just make a bacon feeder with a camera attached.

Actually, as long as it does something while the owner sits on the couch eating burgers...:lol:

[tkbslc]

If Canon were an American company it would already do that... Actually we would just make a bacon feeder with a camera attached.

I can't think of one American company with built in Bacon.

[mvshutter 2009]

The night idea would be awesome. I definitely think that would make shooting night scenes much easier. although what do you do when you want to get star trails? the photo would be over exposed. maybe a setting specific for this?
How about cameras that will be capable of taking pictures at night with fast shutterspeeds and whatever aperture you choose with little to no noise. That and lenses with FLs ranging from 10-500 with apertures around 1.0 that aren't massively huge and weigh a ton.

[Tortie]

The night idea would be awesome. I definitely think that would make shooting night scenes much easier. although what do you do when you want to get star trails? the photo would be over exposed. maybe a setting specific for this?
Yeah, you could choose whether you want "normal" mode where you could expose properly for actual night shots or "night" mode where you can take photos that would look like they were taken on a bright and sunny day with little to no light at all.

[nonick]

Apple is NOT innovative honestly.

With my SONY Clie handhelds, I listened to music, did all the daily organizing, watched video clips saved on MS sticks, browsed internet by connecting to wifi, read document including PDF, checked stocks, streamed the internet FM and watched TV program around the world, took pictures with the 2.0 mp cameras with flash, played games, remote controlled my SONY TV, sound system as in year 1999 .

I could use it's on screen keyboard, handwriting, or the built in keyboard for data entering there. And of course I downloaded many games and apps from it's app store online. I really don't see apple's ideas are that innovative. And the operation system was from Palm. I think Palm was the real innovative, life changing company here.

And then window based smart phones took over the jobs from my clies in year 2003 (i believe) and I was happy with them as well because it intergrated my cell phone with my super PDA (clie) and full time wireless internet access ( no longer limited to wifi connection). Amazing. I would also call that innovative.

Tablet from apple is good but the window based tablets have been around for quite a while already. Many of people have been used tablets daily. I was one of them. I am not a fan for SONY or Microsoft. Just want to point out that Apple,s technology is just not as innovative in my eyes. Their commercial and marketing people have done some great jobs though.

[DDWD10]

If Canon can come out with a compact about 120% of the size of the S90 with an APS-C sensor for $599, that would be a game changer.

[Tortie]

If Canon can come out with a compact about 120% of the size of the S90 with an APS-C sensor for $599, that would be a game changer.
I would go for a pocket-size dSLR with interchangeable lenses.

[kay188]

What's this Apple you talk of?

I like apples. :)

[Erik_L]

They already have those... they're expensive as hell and don't have "real" AF - but they are very tempting... :)

[xarqi]

But when will we see something completely new to DSLR's?

When Jonathan Ive designs it.

[Erik_L]

When Apple tells us it's new and exciting and exclaims "bam" every time a new feature is demonstrated. That is when we will know.

Just watching the keynote now (been a busy day)

Boy, that old Steve has not got much fight left in him - sounds and looks very sickly.

[themadman]

But the Kindle IS a book reader and is advertised as nothing more than that. I bought my DX specifically to read PDF documents and it sure does kick some serious behind doing that. It was well worth the money I spent on it.

What good is an iPad to me if it can't easily read my PDF's? (Unless it can in which case I retract what I just wrote!)

I have a Kindle DX and a bunch of technical documents in PDF. Match made in heaven.

The iPad is nothing more than an enlarged iPod Touch. That said, if it can somehow read PDF's natively, then yeah, I'll buy it.:lol:

Me thinks you don't know anyone who owns a iPod touch or iPhone, the iPad (as does the iPod Touch and iPhone) reads PDF's. Natively it is mediocre, but there are apps (quite a few of them free) that improve pdf reading and organization.

[Vascilli]

I'd be surprised if Canon isn't trying to get into the cinema market by producing a EF mount camera that records 4k video. A 5D II sensor with some serious processing power behind it could destroy RED.

[OregonRebel]

Compare apples to apples please (no pun intended). The 9.7" Kindle costs a lot. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0015TG12Q/ref=s9_simi_gw_p349_t1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=068XRASE7P3RFAC19HQ2&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938631&pf_rd_i=507846

$489 is damn close to $499 to me =)

Plus who cares if it is back lit? Just invert the colors so fonts are white and the rest is black.

The Kindle may be a better book reader, but it is a worse everything else, lol.



LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

All Kindles come with 3G wireless support. I think Apple charges extra for that option. :) Anyhow, when you travel a lot, a ten hour battery life is limited at best, and back-lit displays are hard on the eyes.

[themadman]

All Kindles come with 3G wireless support. I think Apple charges extra for that option. :) Anyhow, when you travel a lot, a ten hour battery life is limited at best, and back-lit displays are hard on the eyes.

10 hour battery kinda sucks, agreed. Back lit LCD are hard on eyes... maybe... but I use to work in front of a lcd my own working day so maybe I am desensitized =P

Again, the iPad does allow for inverting black and white to make some text easier on your eyes.

I ended up buying Gunnar computer glasses. They work marginally, the longer you work in front of a computer, the more you notice the difference =)

[montanawild]

When do you think canon will come out with something truly revolutionary among the DSLR world? Apple continues year after year to create products that really change peoples lives. (in a way) Sure canon has the new 7D and 5D Mk II, which err both game changing cameras. But when will we see something completely new to DSLR's? I'm not talking about shooting HD video or anything. Don't get me wrong, i absolutely love all my canon gear and never see myself changing brands. I can't even think of much they could do. What are some ideas you can come up with for DSLR's that have never been seen before?


I don't currently, nor have I ever owned an Apple product. Not very "life changing" in my opinion.

[xarqi]

I don't currently, nor have I ever owned an Apple product. Not very "life changing" in my opinion.

Then you aren't really in a position to comment, are you?

[Omaru]

I'm actually considering buying one of these sometime in the future. I don't own any "Apple" products so this is going to be soon to be first one. I like the idea of having some of my good photos around to show off to possible clients on the go. Portable portfolio ftw!

[llareggub]

Compare apples to apples please (no pun intended). The 9.7" Kindle costs a lot. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0015TG12Q/ref=s9_simi_gw_p349_t1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=068XRASE7P3RFAC19HQ2&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938631&pf_rd_i=507846

$489 is damn close to $499 to me =)

Plus who cares if it is back lit? Just invert the colors so fonts are white and the rest is black.

The Kindle may be a better book reader, but it is a worse everything else, lol.



LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

But the Kindle is a book reader, it is not trying to be all things to all men... I can sit and read the thing for hours, the thought of reading on a backlit LED screen even with the colours inverted would drive me bonkers.

I am sure that the Ipap will have the folk with apple tinted specs bouncing off the walls but it certainly is not a technological revoution in any sense, it could end up being a revolution in how technology is accepted and used but that is for the market place to decide.

[montanawild]

Then you aren't really in a position to comment, are you?


Enough to say that their products are not "life changing". My life has went on just fine without.:rolleyes:

[themadman]

Enough to say that their products are not "life changing". My life has went on just fine without.:rolleyes:

So no change then? Thats expected since you don't own any Apple products =)

[stad4real]

How about a camera that implodes in the hands of people who are willing to shoot for free - or damn near - and de-value the industry? Pretty hard to find work when you have some student willing to work for a hug and some admiration.

Not that I'm bitter or anything.


Nope.


I agree with you. :-)

[xarqi]

Enough to say that their products are not "life changing". My life has went on just fine without.:rolleyes:

Exactly.

[elysium]

No offence but all I want a DSLR to do is take the photos with interchangeable lenses and give me the control I currently have. There is nothing else I would rather have/need to be able to continue.

Things that people never saw before were things like live view and video. People will be wary of it at first but people slowly come around to the idea.

I can see anything else that they could add that people really require. Possibly wifi built ini but I cant see many people using it etc.

[themadman]

How about his for revolutionary, something like the RED but at a affordable price? =P

[Stealthy Ninja]

Apparently (with an adaptor) you can take photos and directly put them into the iPad. How well that works in practice I have no idea.

You can get photos off SD cards too... sorta sucks for us CF card users... :mad:

Still, I loved my ipod touch (till it was stolen/lost) and I LOVE my iphone. The biggest criticism I could give to the ipod touch is that it was too small for videos and ebooks). iPad changes that.

I wonder how long it will take the 12 year old level jokes about the name to die down. :lol:

[Omaru]

How about his for revolutionary, something like the RED but at a affordable price? =P

Less than 1000 USD. With that I would agree with you.

[Spacemunkie]

It costs about as much as a Kindle and does way more than what a Kindle does.

I'm by no means a Kindle fan, but after having an extensive play with one, you can at least say that the Kindle is a focused piece of technology optimised for a single task - reading electronic text.

Not quite sure what the iPad is trying to offer. Unless they have some very killer apps up their sleeve for this thing (a distinct possibility...), it looks to me to be the lamest product that Apple will have released for several years.

[themadman]

I'm by no means a Kindle fan, but after having an extensive play with one, you can at least say that the Kindle is a focused piece of technology optimised for a single task - reading electronic text.

Not quite sure what the iPad is trying to offer. Unless they have some very killer apps up their sleeve for this thing (a distinct possibility...), it looks to me to be the lamest product that Apple will have released for several years.

Ever heard of the Apple TV? That was the lamest. This improves upon a great product with a good software base (app store) the iPhone/iPod Touch.

Kindle reads books... yep... it does it well... doesn't really do much else.

iPad can surf the web, read many different document types, play games, and has lots of useful apps. I know the "there's an app for that" commercials are corny, but it is pretty much true. A 9.7" IPS screen? Thank you Apple, great for showing off my work! =)

[xarqi]

Ever heard of the Apple TV? That was the lamest.
... and a dishonourable mention goes to Pippin, Newton, and Lisa.

[hollis_f]

And typing on a screen sucks, and likely will always suck. Netbooks win by a long shot for anyone who has any serious amount of writing to do.

Have you seen the keyboard dock?

[Spacemunkie]

Ever heard of the Apple TV? That was the lamest. This improves upon a great product with a good software base (app store) the iPhone/iPod Touch.

Kindle reads books... yep... it does it well... doesn't really do much else.

iPad can surf the web, read many different document types, play games, and has lots of useful apps. I know the "there's an app for that" commercials are corny, but it is pretty much true. A 9.7" IPS screen? Thank you Apple, great for showing off my work! =)

And that was my point about the Kindle. It's focused.

Does the iPad really improve on a great product? The reason that the iPhone and iPod are so brilliant is that they fit in your pocket and nothing else that's about comes close to their usability and functionality.

"...surf the web, read many different document types, play games, and has lots of useful apps... 9.7" IPS screen" - this sounds like any other netbook out there - many of which offer more powerful processors, larger screen and a keyboard in a package that aint much bigger.

I just wonder whether the size of this thing will inhibit the 'cool factor' that most recent Apple products have been imbued with....

[waynedsargent]

I want a camera with hover mode so I dont have to hold up 10 lbs of gear for 14 hours........ that would be revolutionary

[nicksan]

Me thinks you don't know anyone who owns a iPod touch or iPhone, the iPad (as does the iPod Touch and iPhone) reads PDF's. Natively it is mediocre, but there are apps (quite a few of them free) that improve pdf reading and organization.

On the contrary, I used to own an iPod Touch and I own an iPhone. I know about the email attachment and jail breaking.

What I wanted was a reader that can read PDF files natively without any of that. In the Kindle DX I have that. I just drag and drop PDF's and I can read it as it was intended to. I didn't buy the smaller Kindle because PDF's don't translate well, especially when the PDF have graphics with text wrapping, etc.

Now if the iPad can read PDF's without the hassle, then sure, I would be very interested b/c all else equal it doesn't take a genius to realize the iPad is the more attractive unit.

But this is specific to me. Of course not everybody is looking for a PDF/Doc reader. I needed something that can read PDF, and do it well.

[GSeries1]

If you are looking for a book reader the kindle or nook are still the better answers; digital ink is simply superior for reading for long periods of time.

What exactly the IPAD will be used for I am not sure. It seems like it's mostly just an internet surfing device with a really nice screen.... But I've got to wonder if it's got more up its sleeve than I think.

[charliec]

This is OT (for the forum more than the post) but the iPad looks terrible honestly. This is what Apple should have made: http://www.axiotron.com/index.php?id=modbook

The iPad is underpowered and unable to multitask. It's an expensive digital picture frame and short-battery life e-reader. If I'm going to carry around something that big, it better be more powerful and productive than my iPhone. It's not even a great web browsing device because lack of flash support.

I'm pretty disappointed with Apple. I own thousands of dollars worth of Apple equipment. This will not be one of them.

[ken_vs_ryu]

live view app for my 300d please.

[JWright]

I think the naysayers need to watch this:

Apple iPad Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFNQE_TzQNI)

LMAO!

LOL!!!

The iPad is just another iGadget and really serves only one purpose... To put more money in the pockets of Steve Jobs and the Apple stockholders.

[Dmab]

I'd tell you, but someone would try and steal my patent ;)

[Dmab]

...and BTW, I love the iPad concept
It's the perfect gadget when taking the kids on vacation...downloaded movies, games, apps for coloring, ebooks to read, eventually comic books in brilliant color (suck it, Kindle).
It fills the void of doing everyday things in an awesome way. No one will convince me it is a pleasure to use a netbook.

[eelnoraa]

When do you think canon will come out with something truly revolutionary among the DSLR world? Apple continues year after year to create products that really change peoples lives. (in a way) Sure canon has the new 7D and 5D Mk II, which err both game changing cameras. But when will we see something completely new to DSLR's? I'm not talking about shooting HD video or anything. Don't get me wrong, i absolutely love all my canon gear and never see myself changing brands. I can't even think of much they could do. What are some ideas you can come up with for DSLR's that have never been seen before?

If you think about it, Apple only created 2 industry changing devices: iPod and iPhone. And only iPhone I considered life changing, and that is in US/North American life. We will have to wait and see what iPad will become.

To me, I rather Canon stay pratical, make camera that produce good pictures, instead of making "life style", but not so pratical devices.

[charliec]

If you think about it, Apple only created 2 industry changing devices: iPod and iPhone. And only iPhone I considered life changing, and that is in US/North American life. We will have to wait and see what iPad will become.

To me, I rather Canon stay pratical, make camera that produce good pictures, instead of making "life style", but not so pratical devices.

Some people consider the Apple II pretty "industry changing", at least for those that have personal computers ;). The PowerBook was pretty important too, as I believe it was the first "laptop" PC to include a keyboard and trackball.

EDIT: I'm pretty sure Apple also had the first publically available OS with GUI. Again, pretty big.

[ImRaptor]

If you think about it, Apple only created 2 industry changing devices: iPod and iPhone.


What was so industry changing about the iPod or iPhone?
There were full featured MP3 players before the iPod and there still is now.
There were full featured smart phones before the iPhone and there still is now.

Apple has put out some things that have really created a market, but iPod and iPhone are both items that came into existing markets. They do really well in the markets they came into, but didn't create or significantly change the technology in those markets.

[toxic]

The iPad is intended as netbook competitor. Netbooks are used as cheap, ultra-portable laptops for word processing, internet browsing (reading), some light games...and not much else. Apple's goal was to make something that was better than a laptop in those categories. I think they did. Is it revolutionary? I don't think so, but it's a big step in the use of touchscreen technology.

What's missing in this version is a camera, Flash support, and multitasking, though multitasking isn't as huge an issue for this category.

Anyways, I like that they put in an IPS screen. Now they just need to put them in their laptops....

I have a Kindle DX and a bunch of technical documents in PDF. Match made in heaven.

The iPad is nothing more than an enlarged iPod Touch. That said, if it can somehow read PDF's natively, then yeah, I'll buy it.:lol:

A PDF file was loaded during the presentation, so I would imagine it does. OSX also has native support for PDFs...but I dunno anything about the iPhone OS.

[MrWilliams]

They could have the camera figure out the best exposure for common shooting scenarios like portraits, landscapes, macro and sports and let you select them on a dial or something. Then my 7d would rock!!

[toxic]

They could have the camera figure out the best exposure for common shooting scenarios like portraits, landscapes, macro and sports and let you select them on a dial or something. Then my 7d would rock!!

...maybe you should buy a 50D instead. Or even a Rebel.

[Todd Lambert]

I don't know... the ipod and now iphone, have pretty much completely changed those markets.

They also completely changed/created the digital content market. There was practically no online music sales, video, tv, etc.. The online music portion is now bigger than Walmart in brick and mortar. That's huge.

Apple also pioneered things like Firewire, and they've taken practically dead open source projects and turned them into powerhouses. Look at WebKit for instance. They took the open source project that was KHTML and turned it into THE mobile browser solution. There is nothing else that competes with it now.

What was so industry changing about the iPod or iPhone?
There were full featured MP3 players before the iPod and there still is now.
There were full featured smart phones before the iPhone and there still is now.

Apple has put out some things that have really created a market, but iPod and iPhone are both items that came into existing markets. They do really well in the markets they came into, but didn't create or significantly change the technology in those markets.

[zincozinco]

When do you think canon will come out with something truly revolutionary among the DSLR world? Apple continues year after year to create products that really change peoples lives. (in a way) Sure canon has the new 7D and 5D Mk II, which err both game changing cameras. But when will we see something completely new to DSLR's? I'm not talking about shooting HD video or anything. Don't get me wrong, i absolutely love all my canon gear and never see myself changing brands. I can't even think of much they could do. What are some ideas you can come up with for DSLR's that have never been seen before?

they did with the HD video... you cant expect them to do a revolution every year then it would not be a revolution...

[Coogles]

I'm pretty sure Apple also had the first publically available OS with GUI. Again, pretty big.

Nope, that was the Xerox Star. GUI was developed at Xerox PARC in the 70's, along with a lot of other things that Xerox never ran with that ended up making a LOT of money for other companies. (laser printers, ethernet, bit-mapped graphics...)

[MrWilliams]

...maybe you should buy a 50D instead. Or even a Rebel.

bad joke i guess.. :)

[Luke Cern]

Is touch screen such a great thing? You have to clean them all the time!
Who wants full touchscreen menu control?

[vipergts831]

I don't know... the ipod and now iphone, have pretty much completely changed those markets.

They also completely changed/created the digital content market. There was practically no online music sales, video, tv, etc.. The online music portion is now bigger than Walmart in brick and mortar. That's huge.

Apple also pioneered things like Firewire, and they've taken practically dead open source projects and turned them into powerhouses. Look at WebKit for instance. They took the open source project that was KHTML and turned it into THE mobile browser solution. There is nothing else that competes with it now.

bw! Someone finally said it as i finished going through this thread what apple did to the mobile market. Look at how RIM and Google put out thier own "app stores". They didnt do this on thier own but rather because of how apple simplified and integrate the system. Thats what ive noticed with apple over the years. They wow you not on new products but rather taking whats out there and making it better. We had mp3 players but then the ipod came out. Took that idea and made it better. Yes we had phones which played MP3s, showed us pictures, and allowed us to download ring tones. Then the iphone came. Honestly, before the iphone we thought those products were great even though they were sluggish but thats all we had. The iphone took all those thing and made them better. We can complain with it being restricted but after using the iphone for two years, not a droid or blackberry, can touch the iphone in terms of how seemless everything is. We shall see what the ipad does. I never liked the kindle or nook as i always thought they should do more than just put up pages of text. The ipad should give them a run and force those companies to do better with thier products. Competition is great for everyone and we should be happy apple is out there reinventing ideas.

[charliec]

Nope, that was the Xerox Star. GUI was developed at Xerox PARC in the 70's, along with a lot of other things that Xerox never ran with that ended up making a LOT of money for other companies. (laser printers, ethernet, bit-mapped graphics...)

I know Xerox invented the GUI but Star was a commercial system I believe. That's why I said "first publically available" but I guess "first privately available" would have been more appropriate.

The Apple Lisa (developed after the Apple crew visited PARC) was the first personal computer with a GUI I believe, and that led to the Macintosh, which was the first successful PC with the "modern" interface of keyboard, mouse (also thanks to PARC), and GUI.

[Todd Lambert]

Yes, Apple got the basis of things like the mouse and the gui from Xerox PARC, but they took it and brought it to the masses.

Apple did similar things with countless orther stuff too, like USB. Before Apple, USB couldn't be found anywhere. You couldn't find a computer that came with it, let alone a mouse or any other peripheral that used that input. Apple saw the future and made it the ONLY option on their brand new iMac (talk about guts).

The Lisa was indeed the first product available, and I had one. My dad practically mortgaged his home and got divorced for buying this back in the day (He paid over $10,000 for it). I started my illustrious career cutting my teeth in MacPaint back in 1983.

[ImRaptor]

Apple did similar things with countless orther stuff too, like USB. Before Apple, USB couldn't be found anywhere. You couldn't find a computer that came with it, let alone a mouse or any other peripheral that used that input. Apple saw the future and made it the ONLY option on their brand new iMac (talk about guts).


I have a love/hate for USB. I love it for the compatibility but hate it for pushing out firewire. I hate working with USB when dealing with video compared to firewire. But there is barely any camcorders these days that have firewire.

[themadman]

On the contrary, I used to own an iPod Touch and I own an iPhone. I know about the email attachment and jail breaking.

What I wanted was a reader that can read PDF files natively without any of that. In the Kindle DX I have that. I just drag and drop PDF's and I can read it as it was intended to. I didn't buy the smaller Kindle because PDF's don't translate well, especially when the PDF have graphics with text wrapping, etc.

Now if the iPad can read PDF's without the hassle, then sure, I would be very interested b/c all else equal it doesn't take a genius to realize the iPad is the more attractive unit.

But this is specific to me. Of course not everybody is looking for a PDF/Doc reader. I needed something that can read PDF, and do it well.

Come on man, if you own a iPod Touch then you should know it is all about the apps. The device doesn't do something you want? I bet there is an app that DOES! There are so many document apps. Get the app and the partner program for your computer, then load pdf's, bingo. Some of them are even free as I stated before.

The iPod Touch doesn't do pdf natively? there's an app for that =)

[nicksan]

Come on man, if you own a iPod Touch then you should know it is all about the apps. The device doesn't do something you want? I bet there is an app that DOES! There are so many document apps. Get the app and the partner program for your computer, then load pdf's, bingo. Some of them are even free as I stated before.

The iPod Touch doesn't do pdf natively? there's an app for that =)

I used to own one and I used it to listen to music and watch movies. The iPhone is the same, except I also use it to phone/text/email/surf, but again, nothing more than that.

I would rather read PDF's on the Kindle DX screen than the tiny iPhone Screen. Sure, it's all about the apps and I will admit I was never interested in the repository of paid/free apps available for download. Something I just never really pursued.

But again, if there is a downloadable app that allows me to copy a PDF up to the iPad and I am able to read it with format fully intact, then yes, I would be absolutely interested in it because despite the negative stuff that I have read, it does indeed do more than a Kindle.

[TheBigDog]

Really, the I-pad is going to change lives?
I'll give them credit with the Ipod, but I'm sorry I can't get excited over I-pad...p.s. they could have picked a much better name

[400dabuser]

I really don't like the iPad, it is all hype, I know you can't exactly read much on a mobile (cell) phone, or p(x)da

[scermat]

While the iPad is stealing all the limelight, i'm more interested in the HP Slate. similar shape, size and functionality but is actually a fully fledged PC running Windows 7.

[sportsshooter50]

Enough to say that their products are not "life changing". My life has went on just fine without.:rolleyes:


Hmmm. I don't suppose you ever used True Type fonts in Wndows, developed by Apple and licensed to Microsoft.

Or firewire, also know as IEEE 1394 and the DV interface on camcorder and dvd recorders, which was also developed by Apple.

[Jannie]

I disliked every cell phone I had until I got my iPhone which has almost replaced my computer except for photo processing. I'll be getting an iPad, just haven't decided which one.

I think the one really revolutionally thing Canon could do is offer a way to get even more lattitude of image detail from black to white; the highlight priority is very useful but if it could be done to a greater extreme with a new sensor design or building a really useful HDR into the camera would be amazing.

[Stealthy Ninja]

I disliked every cell phone I had until I got my iPhone which has almost replaced my computer except for photo processing. I'll be getting an iPad, just haven't decided which one.

Same.

[DDWD10]

The iPad makes sense for my parents. They live outside the reach of wired, affordable internet. $29.99/month for 3G on a device as versatile as the iPad is a steal, in my opinion.

[blackshadow]

If it won't run lightroom and photoshop I'm not interested in it at all. Ipad schmipad.

[GSeries1]

Pros: Convenient internet surfing and fantastic screen to show off pics

Cons: Might look a wee bit silly when using the arm sport-strap accessory at the gym to listen to MP3's with it.

[cccc]

How about a camera that implodes in the hands of people who are willing to shoot for free - or damn near - and de-value the industry? Pretty hard to find work when you have some student willing to work for a hug and some admiration.

Not that I'm bitter or anything.


Nope.

Sorry the students in your area are afraid to charge :(

Pros: Convenient internet surfing and fantastic screen to show off pics

Cons: Might look a wee bit silly when using the arm sport-strap accessory at the gym to listen to MP3's with it.

It will likely be an Apple weight lifting belt ...
You can run and watch movies?!?!


haha i had to do it...
http://i.imagehost.org/0241/ibelt.jpg

[GSeries1]

Sorry the students in your area are afraid to charge :(



It will likely be an Apple weight lifting belt ...
You can run and watch movies?!?!


haha i had to do it...
http://i.imagehost.org/0241/ibelt.jpg


That'll work... :lol:

[Jannie]

When will the gap and your laptop be ome narrower. I take photos with my iPhone and email them immediately without downloading them into a laptop and then transmitting them from there. This will change and the photographers load will become lighter and this may also happen in the 3/4 cameras for the news reporters, shoot while it's happening and instead of that stupid print button you'll go into the cameras menu and email the selects immediately.

Think of the worldwide connections with things like Facebook and Twitter, they are becom
ing huge and there is a ton of photography being posted there for promotional purposes. When will we be able to send full size photos to the client from the camera.

In about a week I will shoot a rehearsal for a musical that will be performed one time only and they will hope to fill 1,200 seats form a select market.

I will shoot rapidly all throughout the rehearsal, pick a handful of selects that night and post them to two different locations on Facebook before going to bed. I will also provide the promotional dept a photo they select from those postings to make a poster and then I will shoot the dress rehearsal the night before the performance and post photos that night to Facebook for a performance that's happening the next night.

Now if I was traveling and doing this it would be nice to transmit the selects right from the camera like I can with my iPhone.

I get photos regularly that are being shot from a small plane immediately after they were shot to show mw a scene, this technology is already out there, it just needs to be taken another step or two. And this totally applies to shooting video. I can totally imagine a news reporter sending video from their cell phone when suddenly they find themselves in a battle situation and the network has it on air immediately- the next step is for them to be able to do it with a better camera.

[Jannie]

Or, the cell phones will start becoming better cameras and completely replace point and shoots and start fullfilling other new duties, but the cameras very likely will be coming from the cell phone companies not the camera manufacturers if the don't jump in within the next two years.

[Stealthy Ninja]

Sorry the students in your area are afraid to charge :(



It will likely be an Apple weight lifting belt ...
You can run and watch movies?!?!


haha i had to do it...
http://i.imagehost.org/0241/ibelt.jpg

You are now sued by Apple... who are in turn sued by Gold's Gym.

;) :p

[mladams]

People say that live view will replace the viewfinder but I sure as hell hope it never does. That's a terrible idea and if Canon does it I'm going to someone with a viewfinder. I hate using live view cause it puts extra noise in the picture and besides, it's completely worthless on a sunny day.

[photoguy6405]

People say that live view will replace the viewfinder but I sure as hell hope it never does. That's a terrible idea and if Canon does it I'm going to someone with a viewfinder. I hate using live view cause it puts extra noise in the picture and besides, it's completely worthless on a sunny day.
How does it put extra noise in the picture?

It's also pretty handy at night and on cloudy days or in shade.

I don't want it to EVER replace the viewfinder either, but it's nowhere as bad as you portray it.

[hollis_f]

People say that live view will replace the viewfinder

They do? Who are these people and can we get the men in white coats to them ASAP?

[Chris215]

http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/6813/ipadvskindlevsrock.jpg
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/3885/ipadvsrock.jpg
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[Stealthy Ninja]

^^ you forgot the picture of the strawman to go with that arguement. :p

[S.C.Williams]

OK back to the main topic! I think the only revolutionary thing will be cheaper manufacturing of CMOS sensors. That would definitely help us all out.

Steve

[Tom Reichner]

I can't even think of much they could do. What are some ideas you can come up with for DSLR's that have never been seen before?

Stuff that's probably decades away:

Autofocus reads your eye's vision thru the viewfinder - whatever you're looking at when the shutter opens is what it focuses on. No matter where it is in the frame. Of course, that'd just be one setting available - if you wanted to you could choose to focus in more traditional ways.

Also, much, much smarter pixels. Pixels that can each record a red, green, and blue value on their own, without having to have information read and interpolated by a color filter array.

Another thing: Camera bodies that automatically send each image you take to your home computer (via satellite or other technology not yet discovered). You snap the shot, possibly thousands of miles from where you live - within milliseconds the image file is on you computer at home. No need for memory cards, unless you want to use one anyway just for backup.

Bodies that use solar power as an alternative power source. If it's a fairly bright day, you could shoot thousands of frames without even having a battery in the camera!

All bodies and lenses completely waterproof, able to be used underwater to depths of over 300', without any need for any extra housing whatsoever. Of course, it goes without saying that all bodies and lenses would also be completely dust proof.

Video mode: When shooting video, the camera would shoot at it's full fps rate using full resolution frames! This means that every single frame in a video would be the same quality as a still shot. We could shoot video all the time, then simply select the best looking frame from within the video and use that as our still image.

Follow focus on video would be a must. In fact, it's hard to believe that they haven't already done this. I think they're intentionally holding this back just so that they can add it to later models (5Dmk3?) so that people will have to upgrade.

[cccc]

Stuff that's probably decades away:

Autofocus reads your eye's vision thru the viewfinder - whatever you're looking at when the shutter opens is what it focuses on. No matter where it is in the frame.

Also, much, much smarter pixels. Pixels that can each record a red, green, and blue value on their own, without having to have information read and interpolated by a color array filter.

Another thing: Camera bodies that automatically send each image you take to your home computer (via satellite or other technology not yet discovered). You snap the shot, possibly thousands of miles from where you live - within milliseconds the image file is on you computer at home. No need for memory cards, unless you want to use one anyway just for backup.

could those pixels detect blown highlights and lower their sensitivity?

[Tom Reichner]

could those pixels detect blown highlights and lower their sensitivity?

Absolutely! The sensors would be able to produce an extraordinary dynamic range (similar to today's HDR images) due to each pixel's ability to determine it's own sensitivity. This would be done automatically on a pixel-by-pixel basis, not just some system where groups of pixels worked together (that would be a form of interpolation, and interpolation always causes some degree of information loss).

[power_play21]

Stuff that's probably decades away:

Autofocus reads your eye's vision thru the viewfinder - whatever you're looking at when the shutter opens is what it focuses on. No matter where it is in the frame. Of course, that'd just be one setting available - if you wanted to you could choose to focus in more traditional ways.

Also, much, much smarter pixels. Pixels that can each record a red, green, and blue value on their own, without having to have information read and interpolated by a color filter array.

Another thing: Camera bodies that automatically send each image you take to your home computer (via satellite or other technology not yet discovered). You snap the shot, possibly thousands of miles from where you live - within milliseconds the image file is on you computer at home. No need for memory cards, unless you want to use one anyway just for backup.

Bodies that use solar power as an alternative power source. If it's a fairly bright day, you could shoot thousands of frames without even having a battery in the camera!

All bodies and lenses completely waterproof, able to be used underwater to depths of over 300', without any need for any extra housing whatsoever. Of course, it goes without saying that all bodies and lenses would also be completely dust proof.

Video mode: When shooting video, the camera would shoot at it's full fps rate using full resolution frames! This means that every single frame in a video would be the same quality as a still shot. We could shoot video all the time, then simply select the best looking frame from within the video and use that as our still image.

Follow focus on video would be a must. In fact, it's hard to believe that they haven't already done this. I think they're intentionally holding this back just so that they can add it to later models (5Dmk3?) so that people will have to upgrade.

omg, genius.

you, sir, should be working for canon as head of technology advancement.

most of those ideas are fantastic, and is exactly where i'd lke to see current techonogy go.

[goldboughtrue]

Stuff that's probably decades away:

Autofocus reads your eye's vision thru the viewfinder - whatever you're looking at when the shutter opens is what it focuses on. No matter where it is in the frame. Of course, that'd just be one setting available - if you wanted to you could choose to focus in more traditional ways.

Also, much, much smarter pixels. Pixels that can each record a red, green, and blue value on their own, without having to have information read and interpolated by a color filter array.

Another thing: Camera bodies that automatically send each image you take to your home computer (via satellite or other technology not yet discovered). You snap the shot, possibly thousands of miles from where you live - within milliseconds the image file is on you computer at home. No need for memory cards, unless you want to use one anyway just for backup.

Bodies that use solar power as an alternative power source. If it's a fairly bright day, you could shoot thousands of frames without even having a battery in the camera!

All bodies and lenses completely waterproof, able to be used underwater to depths of over 300', without any need for any extra housing whatsoever. Of course, it goes without saying that all bodies and lenses would also be completely dust proof.

Video mode: When shooting video, the camera would shoot at it's full fps rate using full resolution frames! This means that every single frame in a video would be the same quality as a still shot. We could shoot video all the time, then simply select the best looking frame from within the video and use that as our still image.

Follow focus on video would be a must. In fact, it's hard to believe that they haven't already done this. I think they're intentionally holding this back just so that they can add it to later models (5Dmk3?) so that people will have to upgrade.

I would disable the eye focus thing right away because I look through the viewfinder looking at the scene and don't want the camera to focus all over the place.

The Sigma Foveon sensor already records red, green, and blue in three layers. Too bad Canon hasn't put that in unless it's due to patent issues.

The solar power issue would be difficult because most of the time your hand is over quite a bit of the camera or you're in the shade. Battery life has risen dramatically since DSLRs came into existence.

I agree with your video suggestions.

[golden1245]

it's a camera, it takes pictures, it can only be so revolutionary. Unless they come up with a camera that does in camera processing to automatically make pictures look like they came out of a fashion magazine hah!

[photoguy6405]

Absolutely! The sensors would be able to produce an extraordinary dynamic range (similar to today's HDR images) due to each pixel's ability to determine it's own sensitivity. This would be done automatically on a pixel-by-pixel basis, not just some system where groups of pixels worked together (that would be a form of interpolation, and interpolation always causes some degree of information loss).
This pixel-by-pixel thing is something I've thought about for a long time... and have kind of wondered why they aren't like that already. Film is understandable, but if each pixel were a truly independently operating unit...

...whoa! :shock:

[GSeries1]

This pixel-by-pixel thing is something I've thought about for a long time... and have kind of wondered why they aren't like that already. Film is understandable, but if each pixel were a truly independently operating unit...

...whoa! :shock:

And what if a computer monitor where able to do the same thing instead of mixing RGB.

[Mr. Plow]

I think the next logical step is removing the mirror in the SLR and using an electronic shutter. This would allow incredible shutter speeds on any size sensor. I think this would happen long before full resolution video where you could extract single images would.

[hollis_f]

I think the next logical step is removing the mirror in the SLR and using an electronic shutter. This would allow incredible shutter speeds on any size sensor. I think this would happen long before full resolution video where you could extract single images would.

They've already got that - on every point 'n' shoot camera out there. It's one reason why they're so slow and produce lots of noise.

[zaathrus]

Sooo, if Canon do an Apple, they round off any corners on a pre-existing product, put a half eaten fruit logo on it and jack up the price?

I'd rather see gradual changes rather than gimmick or "revolutionary" progress as that way we are less likely to end up with lemons/white elephants. And I certainly would hope that we don't see a triumph of PR and marketing vs usefulness with our DSLRs...

What would be nice is automatic compensation for stuck/lazy/hot pixels - but then I am lazy/time challenged when it comes to PP. Quick switch between spot focus and standard focus points. Better dynamic range. Card slot for a pocket wizard (etc) transmitter unit (in a similar vein to that used by some studio lights) thus enabling US area to use US freqs and RoW to use their freqs. Better AF in video. Faster sync speed. Live viewable remote (like the ipod app but without the PC you need to plug the camera into. Larger LCD (i.e. big enough to see properly on, so > 5" screen) that you can use for liveview which plugs into the USB/HDMI out port. Stuff like that!

[Persephone]

They've already got that - on every point 'n' shoot camera out there. It's one reason why they're so slow and produce lots of noise.

I was under the impression that the noise was due to a tiny sensor. I wonder if it's possible to a mirror-less APS-C sized sensor camera? EDIT: Looks like the Samsung NX10 has an APS-C seized sensor. However, it uses the NX mount...lol.

[hollis_f]

I was under the impression that the noise was due to a tiny sensor.

Partly. You've also got the problem of thermal noise with the sensor on all the time.

[Stealthy Ninja]

Sooo, if Canon do an Apple, they round off any corners on a pre-existing product, put a half eaten fruit logo on it and jack up the price?

Actually apple products are really well made (cut out of aluminum and such). Also they make their own software/OS which works very well IMHO (the iPhone interface works way better than the other 3 touchscreen phones I tried before getting one).

But lets not let facts get in the way of building that strawman. ;)

[zaathrus]

Actually apple products are really well made (cut out of aluminum and such). Also they make their own software/OS which works very well IMHO (the iPhone interface works way better than the other 3 touchscreen phones I tried before getting one).

But lets not let facts get in the way of building that strawman. ;)

Yes, they are well made - their own software/OS isn't all that wonderful however - you have to jail break the ****** thing to get the best out of it. Prefer a windows7 phone personally.

Apple products are not that good to command the price premium they do compared to other products. It's all really a triumph of PR and Marketing.

[photoguy6405]

But lets not let facts get in the way of building that strawman. ;)
My opinions are facts... your facts are opinions. :lol:

[ralff]

Love mine, all the phone users running the same apps envy the display. Use it to check my emails (won't use the keyboard to type a novel, it wasn't meant to be used that way), but works fine for most email. And it is great for surfing the net, much better than a netbook for portability. Already got some very helpful photography apps and looking for more. Want to use it for live view, use live view for focussing, very valuable tool. Using my I-pad would give me more detail, and allow me to do macro work too close to the ground for me anymore (senior citizen). Do not put much into opinions from non-users, I had friends that told me computers in the home would NEVER catch on. Anyway, if anyone knows of an app to give me live view, let me know.

[nekrosoft13]

Well, it wouldn't be totally revolutionary, but I think it would be pretty sweet to see a version of Hasselblad's True Focus technology come to a DSLR...though I have no idea how well it actually works or how useful it would be in practice.

Btw, what's so revolutionary about a big iPod Touch?

to apple lunatics every thing with apple logo is revolutionary, they made a bigger iphone!!, hurray

canon will announce new DSLR that is 10 times bigger then current models, combined with lens you will need a forklift to cary it around.

[nekrosoft13]

Sooo, if Canon do an Apple, they round off any corners on a pre-existing product, put a half eaten fruit logo on it and jack up the price?

also they would dis allow 3rd party lenses, battery contacts will be exposed, and if you hold it wrong you will get a shock, canon will tell you to hold it diffrently, just like apple did with phone.

Oh, and Canon employees will start jumping off roofs, just like Foxcoon employees are doing
http://www.tgdaily.com/business-and-law-brief/50983-foxconn-worker-still-dies-after-landing-in-safety-net

btw, foxcoon is the place where iphone are manufactured.

[dontcallmeash]

apple hasn't done anything revolutionary in over a decade. their computers are more expensive than their windows counterparts but in no way faster since you can option the hell out of a windows pc and have money to burn for software and still not have enough to pay for the apple equivalent.

the ipod has become a giant gorilla in the market with itunes selling you hundreds of thousands of titles they "let you play" but never own. its many variants are as reliable as the xbox 360 product line, but apple just buries those facts like the workers at its chinese plants and lets you buy extended warranty plans at near 50% of the product cost.

apple products are expensive. once again. apple products are expensive with no clear advantage over the competition aside from the fact they look better (but that is a subjective claim). apple fanbois always talk about the latest powerbook or powerPC being faster (100X or so seems to be the claim) over some windows rig--then fail to mention that computer costs 15 grand and is only upgradeable with apple hardware.

the ipad is an overhyped kindle with a color screen. if you actually have a job and need a mobile PC a netbook or a small windows PC will let you get work done instead of this chromed POS with no DVD drive, PCIMA slots, USB ports, or even firewire (apple's legendary USB killer that transfers data at unprecedented rates assuming you have one of the four devices in the world that support this format). but if you want the many "apps" at the "app store" which can simulate a spirit level or compass but can't setup a simple VPN handshake so you can login to a secure terminal at work, you're more than welcome to work on your next "great screenplay" at starbucks along with the other kids in tight jeans and with spotty facial hair and weird piercings.

apple is fashion over form. they're the morons who prefer a sleek laptop with no "useless things" like USB ports, removable drives, user accesible batteries, etc. their products are great if you've tried nothing else, or realized that in the decades apple has been selling its users the kool-aid at a huge premim the world around has changed and moved on.

no one cares that apple invented windows, now that their version of windows sucks harder than microsoft's.

and to the iphone crazies, one word: at&t. that's right. you are so in love with those black and white suppositories, you sign a contract with the worst cell phone provider in the country. there are cell phone providers in sub-saharan africa with better reception.

[greene.matt]

apple hasn't done anything revolutionary in over a decade. their computers are more expensive than their windows counterparts but in no way faster since you can option the hell out of a windows pc and have money to burn for software and still not have enough to pay for the apple equivalent.

the ipod has become a giant gorilla in the market with itunes selling you hundreds of thousands of titles they "let you play" but never own. its many variants are as reliable as the xbox 360 product line, but apple just buries those facts like the workers at its chinese plants and lets you buy extended warranty plans at near 50% of the product cost.

apple products are expensive. once again. apple products are expensive with no clear advantage over the competition aside from the fact they look better (but that is a subjective claim). apple fanbois always talk about the latest powerbook or powerPC being faster (100X or so seems to be the claim) over some windows rig--then fail to mention that computer costs 15 grand and is only upgradeable with apple hardware.

the ipad is an overhyped kindle with a color screen. if you actually have a job and need a mobile PC a netbook or a small windows PC will let you get work done instead of this chromed POS with no DVD drive, PCIMA slots, USB ports, or even firewire (apple's legendary USB killer that transfers data at unprecedented rates assuming you have one of the four devices in the world that support this format). but if you want the many "apps" at the "app store" which can simulate a spirit level or compass but can't setup a simple VPN handshake so you can login to a secure terminal at work, you're more than welcome to work on your next "great screenplay" at starbucks along with the other kids in tight jeans and with spotty facial hair and weird piercings.

apple is fashion over form. they're the morons who prefer a sleek laptop with no "useless things" like USB ports, removable drives, user accesible batteries, etc. their products are great if you've tried nothing else, or realized that in the decades apple has been selling its users the kool-aid at a huge premim the world around has changed and moved on.

no one cares that apple invented windows, now that their version of windows sucks harder than microsoft's.

and to the iphone crazies, one word: at&t. that's right. you are so in love with those black and white suppositories, you sign a contract with the worst cell phone provider in the country. there are cell phone providers in sub-saharan africa with better reception.


This is the most depressing post I've seen yet on these forums.

[Kiwikat]

This is the most depressing post I've seen yet on these forums.

But every single word is true. ;)

[MCB]

This is the most depressing post I've seen yet on these forums.

Yeah, he needs to take a break and cool down a bit.

Nobody makes anyone buy that stuff. Why worry about how other people spend their money?

And here's a tip: an iPad is not a laptop nor is it a laptop replacement. Once that sinks in maybe it won't hurt so bad when you see people using an iPad. Have you ever used one? Ever used a Kindle? What exactly do they have in common? Almost nothing.

I don't own either, but have used both. I have no plans to buy either one, or the alleged iPad killers that are speculated about. They both seem like something I don't really need and wouldn't use. But I can see where other people could really put them to good use. I'm glad they exist since other people seem to enjoy them so much... but I'll hold onto my money for now.

If you don't need a tool, why buy it? Why rant about someone who does?

[Alex Montero]

greene.matt has a great opinion and reminded me of the reasons why I haven't purchased an Ipad. thanks .

[AdamJL]

apple hasn't done anything revolutionary in over a decade. their computers are more expensive than their windows counterparts but in no way faster since you can option the hell out of a windows pc and have money to burn for software and still not have enough to pay for the apple equivalent.

the ipod has become a giant gorilla in the market with itunes selling you hundreds of thousands of titles they "let you play" but never own. its many variants are as reliable as the xbox 360 product line, but apple just buries those facts like the workers at its chinese plants and lets you buy extended warranty plans at near 50% of the product cost.

apple products are expensive. once again. apple products are expensive with no clear advantage over the competition aside from the fact they look better (but that is a subjective claim). apple fanbois always talk about the latest powerbook or powerPC being faster (100X or so seems to be the claim) over some windows rig--then fail to mention that computer costs 15 grand and is only upgradeable with apple hardware.

the ipad is an overhyped kindle with a color screen. if you actually have a job and need a mobile PC a netbook or a small windows PC will let you get work done instead of this chromed POS with no DVD drive, PCIMA slots, USB ports, or even firewire (apple's legendary USB killer that transfers data at unprecedented rates assuming you have one of the four devices in the world that support this format). but if you want the many "apps" at the "app store" which can simulate a spirit level or compass but can't setup a simple VPN handshake so you can login to a secure terminal at work, you're more than welcome to work on your next "great screenplay" at starbucks along with the other kids in tight jeans and with spotty facial hair and weird piercings.

apple is fashion over form. they're the morons who prefer a sleek laptop with no "useless things" like USB ports, removable drives, user accesible batteries, etc. their products are great if you've tried nothing else, or realized that in the decades apple has been selling its users the kool-aid at a huge premim the world around has changed and moved on.

no one cares that apple invented windows, now that their version of windows sucks harder than microsoft's.

and to the iphone crazies, one word: at&t. that's right. you are so in love with those black and white suppositories, you sign a contract with the worst cell phone provider in the country. there are cell phone providers in sub-saharan africa with better reception.

hahahaha bw!

[AdamJL]

All bodies and lenses completely waterproof, able to be used underwater to depths of over 300', without any need for any extra housing whatsoever. Of course, it goes without saying that all bodies and lenses would also be completely dust proof.


That to me, is an excellent, excellent idea.

A completely water proof DSLR, I would buy in a heartbeat. Yes please!

[dontcallmeash]

That to me, is an excellent, excellent idea.

A completely water proof DSLR, I would buy in a heartbeat. Yes please!

you want the kodak nikonos thingy.

http://www.nikonweb.com/dcs425/

[Indecent Exposure]

apple hasn't done anything revolutionary in over a decade. their computers are more expensive than their windows counterparts but in no way faster since you can option the hell out of a windows pc and have money to burn for software and still not have enough to pay for the apple equivalent.

the ipod has become a giant gorilla in the market with itunes selling you hundreds of thousands of titles they "let you play" but never own. its many variants are as reliable as the xbox 360 product line, but apple just buries those facts like the workers at its chinese plants and lets you buy extended warranty plans at near 50% of the product cost.

apple products are expensive. once again. apple products are expensive with no clear advantage over the competition aside from the fact they look better (but that is a subjective claim). apple fanbois always talk about the latest powerbook or powerPC being faster (100X or so seems to be the claim) over some windows rig--then fail to mention that computer costs 15 grand and is only upgradeable with apple hardware.

the ipad is an overhyped kindle with a color screen. if you actually have a job and need a mobile PC a netbook or a small windows PC will let you get work done instead of this chromed POS with no DVD drive, PCIMA slots, USB ports, or even firewire (apple's legendary USB killer that transfers data at unprecedented rates assuming you have one of the four devices in the world that support this format). but if you want the many "apps" at the "app store" which can simulate a spirit level or compass but can't setup a simple VPN handshake so you can login to a secure terminal at work, you're more than welcome to work on your next "great screenplay" at starbucks along with the other kids in tight jeans and with spotty facial hair and weird piercings.

apple is fashion over form. they're the morons who prefer a sleek laptop with no "useless things" like USB ports, removable drives, user accesible batteries, etc. their products are great if you've tried nothing else, or realized that in the decades apple has been selling its users the kool-aid at a huge premim the world around has changed and moved on.

no one cares that apple invented windows, now that their version of windows sucks harder than microsoft's.

and to the iphone crazies, one word: at&t. that's right. you are so in love with those black and white suppositories, you sign a contract with the worst cell phone provider in the country. there are cell phone providers in sub-saharan africa with better reception.
Xerox says hi. Otherwise, you speak the gospel.