Got a Nikon? Share your thoughts and photos here or ask a question!

[In2Photos]

Based on some recent events and discussion (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=822265) this thread is being started for Nikon users to share their thoughts on Nikon gear as well as photos.

This is NOT a place to start a flame war!!!

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[Permagrin]

Thank you Mike. I hope this will be very useful!

[Mr. Clean]

Thanks Mike, much appreciated. Let's see how this works eh?

[Mr. Clean]

some resource links...(stealing your thread Permie)
d700 AF setup
http://prakashphotography.blogspot.com/2008/12/nikon-d700d3d300-autofocus-settings.html

FM Canon to Nikon FAQ
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/704373

Ken Rockwells site
www justkidding com

Interesting note about VR:
You can separate out the AF function onto the AFON button just like the * button. However, the VR function will only activate on shutter half-press.

Gear reviews:
http://www.bythom.com/nikon.htm
Nikon APSC http://www.photozone.de/nikon--nikkor-aps-c-lens-tests
Nikon full frame http://www.photozone.de/nikon_ff

Wireless speedlight info - quick n dirty
http://www.nikonusa.com/Assets/Common-Assets/PDF/FastTrack_To_WirelessSpeedlights.pdf

Nikons version of CPS:
http://www.nikonpro.com/AboutNPS.aspx

[Mr. Clean]

I think this thread has good discussion points in it, heated at times, but still good.
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=819291

[Permagrin]

good idea to post those here...and great idea to leave KR out :lol::lol:

[Permagrin]

Another thing I was thinking...and I posted this in a note to a friend but it might be helpful here:

Nikon's AF is extremely adaptable, via the menu settings, to however you need it to be. BUT, it has this weird option called release.

Actually there are 3 options in this menu:

Focus (can't shoot until your subject is in focus)
Focus + release (that allows you to take shots even when the camera is not in focus)
and release (you can shoot away but most often nothing is in focus)

I have everything set to focus in my AF menu banks. But their factory setting is RELEASE. So you can imagine how upset I was at getting all those oof shots when I first got my cameras. Once I found that prackashphotography blog that explained that AF setting, everything was good. Nikon's AF can be so elaborately set to your particular needs that you can practice, change a setting, practice, change another setting til it's exactly what you want. It just takes some time and understanding of the AF system. I would really recommend reading that blog that Mr. Clean linked to...it explains it better than the manual. My settings are pretty much what he suggests in the blog. Works really well too for me.

[Thalagyrt]

One thing to consider about focus priority mode is that it absolutely kills the FPS (drops to about 5 FPS on my D3) in AF-C mode... It's not a huge deal to me, I'd prefer having photos in focus. I think a happy medium is release+focus where the first press will release even OOF to capture the moment and then it'll wait for focus to continue. Right now I stick to release in AF-C and focus in AF-S but will play around some more. It tracks really well even in release mode, out of say 15 pictures maybe one will be slightly OOF. I don't see a need to wait for full focus confirmation necessarily. Nonetheless I keep it in my custom menu. :p

[Bob_A]

The following is a pretty good Nikon guide for setting up AF options. It was written for the D3 but pretty much everything alos applies to the D700:

http://nikonusa.com/pdf/manuals/dslr/D3ProTechnicalGuide.pdf

[monk3y]

Another thing I was thinking...and I posted this in a note to a friend but it might be helpful here:

Nikon's AF is extremely adaptable, via the menu settings, to however you need it to be. BUT, it has this weird option called release.

Actually there are 3 options in this menu:

Focus (can't shoot until your subject is in focus)
Focus + release (that allows you to take shots even when the camera is not in focus)
and release (you can shoot away but most often nothing is in focus)

I have everything set to focus in my AF menu banks. But their factory setting is RELEASE. So you can imagine how upset I was at getting all those oof shots when I first got my cameras. Once I found that prackashphotography blog that explained that AF setting, everything was good. Nikon's AF can be so elaborately set to your particular needs that you can practice, change a setting, practice, change another setting til it's exactly what you want. It just takes some time and understanding of the AF system. I would really recommend reading that blog that Mr. Clean linked to...it explains it better than the manual. My settings are pretty much what he suggests in the blog. Works really well too for me.

found this to be the case when i bought a d90 for my brother last week... i saved him a few hours of tweaking by changing the AF setting to FOCUS .. haha but i was impressed by the AF speed compared to my 500D

[Mr. Clean]

What do all the danged lens codes mean?

http://www.bythom.com/lensacronyms.htm

[Permagrin]

Bob & Mike, nice links. I hadn't seen either one of those.



James, I tried the focus and release. I just don't like any oof shots if I can help it. The most action I shoot is running dogs or horses. I seem to do really well with the focus only setting. The only time it slows me down is in really low light, but only until I get AF lock. But once I'm locked, I'm on until I stop.

[radiohead]

I use AF-C exclusively and don't see FPS slow-down until I'm light limited and it's shutter speed related.

I use focus priority.

[Thalagyrt]

Weird, I only get about 6 FPS on the D3 when using AF-C with focus priority. On release priority I get full speed. I wonder if there might be something else I've overlooked?

Edit: Nevermind, just tried it in bright sunlight and got 9 FPS. Guess it's a how-much-light-do-you-have thing. :p

[Permagrin]

I use AF-C exclusively and don't see FPS slow-down until I'm light limited and it's shutter speed related.

I use focus priority.

that's the same with me.



James, I'm not sure what the issue is. I'm using the D700/grip. Not sure what Guy is shooting with.

[Thalagyrt]

that's the same with me.



James, I'm not sure what the issue is. I'm using the D700/grip. Not sure what Guy is shooting with.

I just updated my post. My problem was that I'd only tried it indoors in fairly low light (where I'm shooting 6400 2.8 1/200" or so) to see how it worked. Out in good light it's fine... Gonna have to try it at a basketball game. :p

[joove]

I have a Q for the experienced D700 folks among you. I was contemplating a switch to Nikon for the next ten years :-) just because I have been with canon for more than a decade. Almost pulled the plugged yesterday but decided that I will wait to see if Nikon comes up with F/4 equiv to the 24-105 before I give them my money. The 5DIII's advanced timeline rumor also helped :-).

I notice that the AF swtch (M, S, C) is exactly where the canon DOF preview button is. If you are supporting a long lens, say the 70-200, with your left hand in the middle of the barrel, how easy/painful is is to move that hand down to the flange, switch the mode to C/Servo and then move it back ? When I had the 7D, I thought it ridiculous that the only button that allowed an AF toggle with the DOF-preview which was unusable with a heavy lens that needed supporting with the left hand. The Nikon placement looks equally bad. I went through the D700 manual yesterday and the Fn button cannot be retargeted to do this either. If canon ever loses that worthless AI-Focus on semi-pro bodies, toggling would be so much simpler, or they could just add that info to the VF and then I wouldn't have to guess while doing it blind.

The reason this is important to me is that I use my 430/580's focus assist in the dark and with my nephews around, I need to be in SingleShot to get the assist light on. When they start moving however, I find it real hard to move on to Servo quickly. Once in servo, I remember to be in center point but by the time I switch, the action is sometimes gone.

I have now recorded AI-Servo, center AF, AF Expansion, AV and Auto ISO to C3 so I can move the mode-dial quickly and get to AI-Servo. However if I am using a flash and in M, that will reset it back to Av. Imperfect solution when all I want is to toggle Servo/AF Expansion.

I have been looking at the 1Ds as well. However with the weight I'll never buy it for the kind of casual once in a while shooting I do. However, even there, I see that the focus mode switch is on the top-left-side. Is it easier to take the left hand away from the lens and toggle focus modes in the 1D ?

If neither canon or nikon got this right, it probaly means that none of the customers care. In that case, I probably need an education. Any tips on what I should practice, cues to look for in the VF (beeping AF confirm in one-shot vs none in servo). I can alternately take a deep breath and get on with what I have..

[Thalagyrt]

It's pretty easy to flip the AF switch without much thought - much easier than when I used a 1D mk2. The positions are very distinct so you don't have to look at the switch whereas with the 1 series you may have to take the camera away from your head to look at the top and see which mode you've flipped it into. If it's flat it's in continuous, if it's angled it's in single, if it's pretty much straight out it's manual.

Also, on the Canon EOS-1 series the DOF preview button is on the right which is the same as on the Nikon bodies. As far as I know though it isn't programmable to do whatever you want though like the two custom function buttons on the Nikon cameras. I have my top button set up to DOF preview and the bottom button set up to switch from FF to APS-C. I don't know why Canon didn't keep the placement of that button consistent across the lines like Nikon did, and it's a lot easier having it on the right as you can just flick it with your middle or ring finger instead of fumbling around with your left hand.

[radiohead]

I just updated my post. My problem was that I'd only tried it indoors in fairly low light (where I'm shooting 6400 2.8 1/200" or so) to see how it worked. Out in good light it's fine... Gonna have to try it at a basketball game. :p
:cool:

Glad it's sorted.

Also worth having a look at a4 in the menu - 'Focus Tracking with Lock-On'. That can make a difference with subjects moving erratically.Like brides.

:D

[Thalagyrt]

:cool:

Glad it's sorted.

Also worth having a look at a4 in the menu - 'Focus Tracking with Lock-On'. That can make a difference with subjects moving erratically.Like brides.

:D

Yeah that one I already tweak depending on what I'm shooting. I find having it on short for basketball works pretty well as usually the player will run behind someone else for a split second and be back in frame and that prevents me from dropping focus. Normally I just have it set to off though as I want fast acquisition most of the time.

[Mr. Clean]

I notice both you guys have SB900's...Have either of you experienced any of the shut down/overheating/internet issues with them?

[radiohead]

No - but I rarely use flash....

[Bob_A]

I notice both you guys have SB900's...Have either of you experienced any of the shut down/overheating/internet issues with them?


I have a SB900 and have never had it shutdown due to overheating, however I don't use a battery pack so I'm not blasting away with it. I've seen posts for older Canon and Nikon flashes being damaged due to overheating from continuous use but the feature on the SB900 is supposed to prevent it.

[Thalagyrt]

I've had the SB900 running full tilt at 9 FPS at one point for about 15 frames straight (amazingly it didn't miss a frame) and it didn't seem to be bothered by that... Granted it was nowhere near full power - I was shooting ISO 1600, f/2.8 and wasn't illuminating a huge area, but in general I've never even seen the heat meter rise a notch even after hours of use.

[Mr. Clean]

hmmm, an internet balloon perhaps :D

[jacobsen1]

oh hai guyz! :lol:

[Mr. Clean]

hai ben!
Here's another tidbit: from - http://www.nikoncafe.com/vforums/showthread.php?t=184646

I just got my D700 yesterday and I realised something cool when I was playing with it today.

I use the AF-ON button to activate autofocus only, and I have my focus setting on Continuous Focus, Crosshair, and 51point(3d tracking).

This will make the camera automatically track the subject if it moves.
If you find it a hassle to constantly push the thumb directional dial around to manually choose your AF point, what I do is I use the center focus point, hit and hold the AF-ON button, and recompose while still holding the AF-ON button.

And then more info on AF-C mode: http://www.nikoncafe.com/vforums/showthread.php?t=196906

Can't wait to actually get the body and glass in so I can see if this is really the Swiss Army Knife camera it seems like :lol:

[radiohead]

Looks like tonight will see the first of several AF-S primes (24/1.4) and the first f4 Nikkor, a 16-35 VR.

[Mr. Clean]

Looks like tonight will see the first of several AF-S primes (24/1.4) and the first f4 Nikkor, a 16-35 VR.
Is the 16-35 confirmed?:shock:

[radiohead]

Looks that way. I'm off to bed so will be asleep if it does happen at 11pm your time :D

[Permagrin]

Looks like tonight will see the first of several AF-S primes (24/1.4) and the first f4 Nikkor, a 16-35 VR.

really?? I haven't been on the cafe. COOL!

[Bob_A]

I see that DPReview has posted the announcements for both the 16-35 f/4 and 24mm f/1.4.

I'm hoping that the 16-35 delivers high IQ since I don't need f/2.8 for a wide zoom.

[Mr. Clean]

Ben's gonna crap his pants, I wonder what he's going to sell? :D Ben, holler at me first if you're going to sell anything. I'm still thinking glass and what not. Even though everything's on its way, I'm not sure I'm decided.

The 16-35 - well I'm torn. I love the focal length, don't love the VR, not going to love the price tag. What's a good wide angle cost effective alternative on FF for Nikon?

[Permagrin]

my gosh, I wish that 24 wasn't so pricey. I just can't think that it would be $1700 better than the 24 1.8 sigma (bought it used) that I already have.

[Mr. Clean]

my gosh, I wish that 24 wasn't so pricey. I just can't think that it would be $1700 better than the 24 1.8 sigma (bought it used) that I already have.
I might focus better in low light, but that's about it...

I see the $1200$ number being tossed around for the 16-35:eek::eek:
Thankfully I don't shoot that wide often enough!

[Permagrin]

I might focus better in low light, but that's about it...

I see the $1200$ number being tossed around for the 16-35:eek::eek:
Thankfully I don't shoot that wide often enough!

I'm sure it probably would. I just can see paying $1700 for that. You've seen the SOOC shots with the sigma. It looks pretty darn good wide open, especially for the price. I know I'm content with it.

and re: the 16-35. I saw that. I don't remember what I paid for my 16-35II when it first came out but I think it was very similar in price.

I don't have any need for it. The 14-24 does everything I need in the UWA range, except faster than 2.8. I haven't found that I need VR on it (though it is blasted heavy) yet.

[Permagrin]

I just saw that the new 16-35 is an F4. Wow. That is a steep price for an F4 lens. And WHY are they making them so big? I thought the whole point of an F4 was to get a smaller, lighter lens?

[Mr. Clean]

But aren't the lenses 20% better in IQ than Canon's? :D
It's was expensive for f4, and I don't need VR on a lens in that FL...

What do I get if I shoot wide angle only sometimes but want great IQ?

[eelnoraa]

I just saw that the new 16-35 is an F4. Wow. That is a steep price for an F4 lens. And WHY are they making them so big? I thought the whole point of an F4 was to get a smaller, lighter lens?

From the number, not much more than the Canon 17-40L, same filter thread size, slightly narrower but longer body. As usual, Nikon always make their equivalent lens longer and narrower than Canon counter part.

The added weight is probably because of VR group lens and magnesim metal body (as opposed to the plastic body in 17-40L).

Yeah, price is steep, almost ridiculous.

[radiohead]

Remember that's the RRP.

The 24L II RRP is £2010 here and goes for around £1350 now. The RRP for the Nikon 24mm f1.4 is £1949

Pricey yes, but then quality generally is :D

[Mr. Clean]

Guy - have you ever shot Canon? Just wondering if you have and what the feel between the glass quality is and if really commands the 30% (roughly) price increase. edited to add- I also can't find MSRP infor for Nikon lenses to compare MSRP to B&H/street price

D700 in hand!!!
Glass tomorrow, Thursday and Friday. Man I'm dyin'. This body is SWEET.

[radiohead]

I have - 2 1/2 years with 5D/30D/40D bodies, and 35L, 50L, 85L (Mk 1 and 2), 135L, 16-35 Mk1, 17-40, 24-70 and 70-200/2.8IS

Lovely lenses (although the 24-70 is murdered by the Nikkor, the 50L very inconsistent and the 85L glacially slow to AF). The new prime today signals a refresh of the AF-S prime line, and the 16-35 an f4 line. At a stroke that'll remove one major obstacle for anyone looking at Nikon.

[Mr. Clean]

I keep on hearing the lore of the 24-70...If it disappoints, I have a lot of blame to spread around!

The primes need help. No doubt about that, I wonder though if they'll be as good as the L primes. There's something about Nikon's bokeh that just seems a little busier or something...Hard to put my finger on it.

[jacobsen1]

I've already order the 16-35VR (sold my 14-24mm to fund it) and I'm seriously thinking of ditching my 24-70G for a 24mm for now. The 24L is the ONE lens I miss from canon. Nikons is OF COURSE too expensive, but you only live once...

Plus, my 24-70G is basically used for product shots and landscapes. Neither need a lens like that. So I've got a 28-75 tammy coming in the mail this week to see how bad it is and if it's up to what I need. If so the 24-70 will go to fund the 24mm, then eventually I'll trade back up to they 24-70G again if I feel I'm missing it. I'm just not a huge zoom guy anyway, I've just been using the 24-70G as a crutch because I don't like my siggy 24mm.....

I'm excited for both. I've been patiently waiting to see if those rumors were true. I hope adorama gets them in soon.

[Mr. Clean]

had I known, I would have bought yours (24-70)...I'm a zoom guy, but not a UWA zoom guy :D Got a used 18-35 of a FM'er today.

One of my first shots, D700, 85mm 1.4, ISO 2000

[Permagrin]

nice :) how are you liking it so far? (now that you've finally got glass to play with)

[joove]

^^ yeah, other minds want to know as well :-)

[yogestee]

I'm going to be blunt and honest here,,I love Nikon SLR cameras..

I've had a long, productive and happy association with Nikon since 1975.. If the newspaper I was working for stayed with Nikon instead of going to Canon digital in 1999, I'd be shooting with Nikon today..

[Mr. Clean]

nice :) how are you liking it so far? (now that you've finally got glass to play with)

^^ yeah, other minds want to know as well :-)

LOVING IT. My time is seriously limited though but first impression is very good. THere's a LOT of menu items and some pieces could be more intuitive, but for the most part they already are.
Example, took half the ride home to figure how to cycle through the different replay options. Can't figure out how to have the onboard flash not fire when in commander mode but this is simple RTFM stuff.

[Thalagyrt]

LOVING IT. My time is seriously limited though but first impression is very good. THere's a LOT of menu items and some pieces could be more intuitive, but for the most part they already are.
Example, took half the ride home to figure how to cycle through the different replay options. Can't figure out how to have the onboard flash not fire when in commander mode but this is simple RTFM stuff.

Hehehe... I was shooting Canon, 1 series, all L glass, the works, then one day I picked up a fellow photographer's D3 just to play with it for about 2 minutes. I was instantly sold, it just felt right, the viewfinder was great, the AF tracked faster than anything I'd ever seen - I picked one up a few weeks later, sold all of my Canon gear, and really have never looked back. There are some subtle differences in handling, and obviously major differences in how everything's laid out, but you'll figure it all out pretty quickly, it's very intuitive. ;)

[Permagrin]

Mike, check out pg 6 of this pdf

http://www.nikonusa.com/Assets/Common-Assets/PDF/FastTrack_To_WirelessSpeedlights.pdf

it explains how to shut off the popup in commander mode

[Mr. Clean]

Got it...It works, I was expecting it not to fire at all :D:D:D:D:D
Damn noobs.

[Thalagyrt]

Got it...It works, I was expecting it not to fire at all :D:D:D:D:D
Damn noobs.

It's gotta send out the preflash pulses to tell the other flashes what to do. It's actually a pretty fascinating communication system. They're doing digital transmission of data using light. That preflash is actually about 50-100 flashes when in commander mode. Canon's system does the same thing. ;)

[Permagrin]

I've already order the 16-35VR (sold my 14-24mm to fund it) and I'm seriously thinking of ditching my 24-70G for a 24mm for now. The 24L is the ONE lens I miss from canon. Nikons is OF COURSE too expensive, but you only live once...

Plus, my 24-70G is basically used for product shots and landscapes. Neither need a lens like that. So I've got a 28-75 tammy coming in the mail this week to see how bad it is and if it's up to what I need. If so the 24-70 will go to fund the 24mm, then eventually I'll trade back up to they 24-70G again if I feel I'm missing it. I'm just not a huge zoom guy anyway, I've just been using the 24-70G as a crutch because I don't like my siggy 24mm.....

I'm excited for both. I've been patiently waiting to see if those rumors were true. I hope adorama gets them in soon.

I thought for sure you'd buy the 24 1.4 first! I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on the 16-35, though I cannot imagine ever getting rid of my 14-24.

[radiohead]

That 85/1.4 really is a lovely lens. Rumoured to be a new 35 and 85 1.4 this year and with the new 24 I can believe it. From Xmas:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2548/4203062044_d350b92217_o.jpg

D3, 85/1.4, f2, ISO1600, 1/320s, no flash.

[jdizzle]

^ Looks out of focus to me Guy. :);) Lovely shot and bokeh. :)

[radiohead]

:p:p:p

[jdizzle]

Looks like I'm finally going to give Nikon a shot. Starting with the D3s and 16-35 f/4 VR. :D

[radiohead]

Not a bad starter kit ;)

I'm giving the new 24mm a lot of thought but not at the opening price of £1949. It'll come down to around £1700 or so within 3-4 months like the 70-200 VRII (which is amazing btw).

[jdizzle]

Yeah. I'll eventually build up the kit. What won me over was the 16-35 f/4 VR. Alot of my shooting is landscapes. And while the 14-24 is an excellent lens, it just doesn't take filters (GNDs). So, with that in mind, I don't have to build a DIY filter holder. :) Now if I can just find a D3s in stock! :)

[RobKirkwood]

Mike, check out pg 6 of this pdf

http://www.nikonusa.com/Assets/Common-Assets/PDF/FastTrack_To_WirelessSpeedlights.pdf

it explains how to shut off the popup in commander mode
Thanks for that link - we switched to Nikon just over a year ago, and I'm always forgetting how to set up Master/Slave functions on our SB-800's and 600! ...this will be a handy thing to keep in the bag for when I forget (yet again).

So far as the onboard goes, our experience is that even when shut off, it never completely disappears from the shot - not a major issue, but if you've got reflective surface in front of you it's easy to see the onboard lit up a bit.

Rob

[jacobsen1]

had I known, I would have bought yours (24-70)...I'm a zoom guy, but not a UWA zoom guy :D Got a used 18-35 of a FM'er today.

let me know how that 18-35mm is.
I have a 28-75 arriving tomorrow now, so we'll see on the 24-70G. Odds are it'll be listed tomorrow.
that 85mm is a hell of a lens isn't it? My original move to nikon kit was that lens and a siggy 12-24mm. I'm not a long prime guy, but it was worth a shot. I'll eventually own either it or it's replacement eventually I bet...

I thought for sure you'd buy the 24 1.4 first! I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on the 16-35, though I cannot imagine ever getting rid of my 14-24.

The 14-24mm is just so damn big and expensive. I'm hoping the 16-35mm does what I need, but we'll see. If not I'll return it and rebuy a used 14-24mm. :lol: I would have bought the 24mm first, or at least at the same time, had it been priced more reasonably. I was prepared for $1700 for it and $1000 for the 16-35mm. Now I'm left looking for the $700 difference. So either the price will drop, or I'll find the funds. But as soon as my camera budget matches it's price I'll have one. It's not if, it's when. ;)

Yeah. I'll eventually build up the kit. What won me over was the 16-35 f/4 VR. Alot of my shooting is landscapes. And while the 14-24 is an excellent lens, it just doesn't take filters (GNDs). So, with that in mind, I don't have to build a DIY filter holder. :) Now if I can just find a D3s in stock! :)

you should have bought my 14-24mm, I sold it with my adapter for GNDs!!!!
http://gear.benjacobsenphoto.com/wp-content/gallery/nikkor-14-24mm/bbj_0975.jpg
http://gear.benjacobsenphoto.com/wp-content/gallery/nikkor-14-24mm/bbj_0978.jpg
http://gear.benjacobsenphoto.com/wp-content/gallery/nikkor-14-24mm/img_2214.jpg

but I will say, even with that setup, it got old. I'm hoping I'll love the 16-35mm as much as I did my 17-40s. I'm also hoping it means I can get into 4x6 filters instead of X-pros. There is no easy 10-stop answer for the 14-24mm because it needs to be a panel and cokin hasn't made their for years. Supposedly format will custom make them though.

I just hope I don't miss f/2.8 for inside with my son (the few times I did do this it was always sunny with light coming in through the windows anyway). I hope it's got it's barrel distortion under control (the 14-24mm needed correction for any shot with a straight line making it ~15.5 effectively if you needed it straight) as well. 14 -vs- 16 is a big difference, I know (having been a long time 12-24mm siggy fan) but I think I can live at 16mm.

I'm excited for them to get in stock though so I can know....

[Thalagyrt]

Looks like I'm finally going to give Nikon a shot. Starting with the D3s and 16-35 f/4 VR. :D

Muahahahah we have won! :D

[Mr. Clean]

Not a bad starter kit ;)

I'm giving the new 24mm a lot of thought but not at the opening price of £1949. It'll come down to around £1700 or so within 3-4 months like the 70-200 VRII (which is amazing btw).
There's some concerns about the hood allowing flare...One of the guys on the Cafe is having issues. JonathanF2 or something like that. most of my shots aren't looking for a good edge ot edge sharpness and I like 200mm when focusing close so I figured the VRI would be a good place to start.
That 85/1.4 really is a lovely lens. Rumoured to be a new 35 and 85 1.4 this year and with the new 24 I can believe it. From Xmas:

<snipped image>

D3, 85/1.4, f2, ISO1600, 1/320s, no flash.
You know, as much as I think I'd love to have the 35mm 1.4 I'm remarkably surprised with the 35mm f2! It's great wide open, small, quick to AF. The only thing I haven't test is what the OOF highlights look like.
Side note, your Xmas picture is the one that pushed me for the 85mm 1.4.
let me know how that 18-35mm is.
I have a 28-75 arriving tomorrow now, so we'll see on the 24-70G. Odds are it'll be listed tomorrow.
that 85mm is a hell of a lens isn't it? My original move to nikon kit was that lens and a siggy 12-24mm. I'm not a long prime guy, but it was worth a shot. I'll eventually own either it or it's replacement eventually I bet...

I will! So far the reviews are positive but I sniff some brand loyalty in them. Plus I don't shoot past 24 too often but it's a nice lens to have just in case.
I think the 85mm 1.4 is perfect. Not as good as the 85mm 1.2 but way better than the 85mm 1.8 and the price point is perfect! I just need a lens cap that will work with the lens hood on!
Thanks for everyone's talk and advice and what not. So far I'm really enjoying the move and have no issues whatsoever...Well, except for Nikon being bassackwards and the frickin' multicontroller kinda suckin' :D

[Permagrin]

you should have bought my 14-24mm, I sold it with my adapter for GNDs!!!!
http://gear.benjacobsenphoto.com/wp-content/gallery/nikkor-14-24mm/bbj_0975.jpg
http://gear.benjacobsenphoto.com/wp-content/gallery/nikkor-14-24mm/bbj_0978.jpg
http://gear.benjacobsenphoto.com/wp-content/gallery/nikkor-14-24mm/img_2214.jpg

but I will say, even with that setup, it got old. I'm hoping I'll love the 16-35mm as much as I did my 17-40s. I'm also hoping it means I can get into 4x6 filters instead of X-pros. There is no easy 10-stop answer for the 14-24mm because it needs to be a panel and cokin hasn't made their for years. Supposedly format will custom make them though.



Ben, how did you figure out what to use for GND's for the 14-24. I can see they are cokin's but that's as far as I can make out. This system would be useful to me, if I knew what to buy.

[Mr. Clean]

HOLY CRAP.
The CLS rules the world! Just playing around with it and man that is SO much better than Skyports for what I would use them for. Quick and easy. True wireless flash freedom. No wires, pc cords, dangly thingies. Awesome.
Hey Permie - did you get a chance to look and see what kind of cap/size you have on the 85? My non center pinch would never fit with the hood on.

[Permagrin]

sorry Mike, yep, I forgot to post it.

This is the one we have on it, with the lens on.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/37672-REG/Nikon_4750_77mm_Snap_On_Lens_Cap.html

[Mr. Clean]

Right on thanks! I'll have to snatch one up, not have the hood on that lens is driving me nuts.

[jacobsen1]

I just need a lens cap that will work with the lens hood on!
Thanks for everyone's talk and advice and what not. So far I'm really enjoying the move and have no issues whatsoever...Well, except for Nikon being bassackwards and the frickin' multicontroller kinda suckin' :D

the 85mm's hood actually fits INSIDE the hood too dude. It's a tad tight, but it works. And that hood is EPIC. Solid metal FTW. As for nikon being bassackwards, do you have specific complaints, because you know you can reverse the way the displays go for +/- right? But you can't get it exactly like a canon, one thing MUST stay wrong at all times, but you can get your display and EV adjustments right....

Ben, how did you figure out what to use for GND's for the 14-24. I can see they are cokin's but that's as far as I can make out. This system would be useful to me, if I knew what to buy.

X-pro filters
for the 14-24mm it's a 105mm adapter ring, a spare lenscap, and some time.

Also, NEVER let ANYONE tell you filters won't work with a lens. It's just a question of not having big enough filters. I was told ~4 years ago now by a B&H employee IN PERSON that filters wouldn't work on the 12-24mm. I owned it. I owned a 5D. I'd made paper filters and checked. I'd made plexi filters and checked.

B&H: "no, it won't work."
me: "have you tried it?"
B&H: "no, because it won't work..."

that was IN THE STORE (but on a Sunday, big mistake). I was trying to get them to get the parts out so I could prove it myself. I broke down the next week and ordered it anyway and sure enough Xs work. It's getting the holder to work that's the trick. With the 12-24mm a spare cowl presses right into a 95mm ring, you just have to remove the lip that keeps it from going on too far. With the Nikkor it's a 105mm ring and a lot more dremel work (you have to make a spare lenscap into a sleeve by removing the end, then make the cap fit inside the ring) but again, works perfect out to 14mm on FF w/o any vignetting. You can't use a CP, but you CAN use GNDs.

I have a 7-14mm on the way for my GF1. It's the same deal. Everyone bitches about not being able to use filters with it. I know I'll have it licked in a day or so. The only question is what's the OD of the hood (which ring do I need), where do I get a spare lenscap (or I'll use rubber bands as I did with my 12-24mm) and I wonder if I can actually downsize there since it's suck a smaller lens. But I want a CP to work there, I'm guessing my x-pro CP will work, but a Z might not (because CPs are round they need to be MASSIVE). I might forgo the CP on that lens though since I can have my 77 back once I get the 16-35mm.

[Permagrin]

wow, that seems beyond me. I wish I'd seen yours FS.

[Mr. Clean]

You mean the cap? I have an old outer pinch cap and it can't physically fit inside the hood and latch on properly unless I'm doing something wrong. I'll go try again! I do love the hood, that's how it should be on lenses like that!!
Hahah, the Lens mounts! I'm going to change the EV adjustments today.
Plus, is there a better 'meter' view? The 5d/1d meters seemed so much bigger/better...
the 85mm's hood actually fits INSIDE the hood too dude. It's a tad tight, but it works. And that hood is EPIC. Solid metal FTW. As for nikon being bassackwards, do you have specific complaints, because you know you can reverse the way the displays go for +/- right? But you can't get it exactly like a canon, one thing MUST stay wrong at all times, but you can get your display and EV adjustments right....

[jdizzle]

you should have bought my 14-24mm, I sold it with my adapter for GNDs!!!!
http://gear.benjacobsenphoto.com/wp-content/gallery/nikkor-14-24mm/bbj_0975.jpg
http://gear.benjacobsenphoto.com/wp-content/gallery/nikkor-14-24mm/bbj_0978.jpg
http://gear.benjacobsenphoto.com/wp-content/gallery/nikkor-14-24mm/img_2214.jpg

but I will say, even with that setup, it got old. I'm hoping I'll love the 16-35mm as much as I did my 17-40s. I'm also hoping it means I can get into 4x6 filters instead of X-pros. There is no easy 10-stop answer for the 14-24mm because it needs to be a panel and cokin hasn't made their for years. Supposedly format will custom make them though.

I just hope I don't miss f/2.8 for inside with my son (the few times I did do this it was always sunny with light coming in through the windows anyway). I hope it's got it's barrel distortion under control (the 14-24mm needed correction for any shot with a straight line making it ~15.5 effectively if you needed it straight) as well. 14 -vs- 16 is a big difference, I know (having been a long time 12-24mm siggy fan) but I think I can live at 16mm.

I'm excited for them to get in stock though so I can know....

That set up looks cool Jacob. I didn't know I was going to try Nikon until I finally made up my mind. :) So, what filters did you use on the Cokin holder? Will 4x6 filters work? And will it vignette? Thanks! :)

[jdizzle]

Muahahahah we have won! :D
ROFL!! :lol: You got me thinking James. Maybe I should start as a sith apprentice and get a D700. Then work my way up to a sith lord (D3s/D3x). ;) :)

[jdizzle]

X-pro filters
for the 14-24mm it's a 105mm adapter ring, a spare lenscap, and some time.

Also, NEVER let ANYONE tell you filters won't work with a lens. It's just a question of not having big enough filters. I was told ~4 years ago now by a B&H employee IN PERSON that filters wouldn't work on the 12-24mm. I owned it. I owned a 5D. I'd made paper filters and checked. I'd made plexi filters and checked.

B&H: "no, it won't work."
me: "have you tried it?"
B&H: "no, because it won't work..."

that was IN THE STORE (but on a Sunday, big mistake). I was trying to get them to get the parts out so I could prove it myself. I broke down the next week and ordered it anyway and sure enough Xs work. It's getting the holder to work that's the trick. With the 12-24mm a spare cowl presses right into a 95mm ring, you just have to remove the lip that keeps it from going on too far. With the Nikkor it's a 105mm ring and a lot more dremel work (you have to make a spare lenscap into a sleeve by removing the end, then make the cap fit inside the ring) but again, works perfect out to 14mm on FF w/o any vignetting. You can't use a CP, but you CAN use GNDs.

I have a 7-14mm on the way for my GF1. It's the same deal. Everyone bitches about not being able to use filters with it. I know I'll have it licked in a day or so. The only question is what's the OD of the hood (which ring do I need), where do I get a spare lenscap (or I'll use rubber bands as I did with my 12-24mm) and I wonder if I can actually downsize there since it's suck a smaller lens. But I want a CP to work there, I'm guessing my x-pro CP will work, but a Z might not (because CPs are round they need to be MASSIVE). I might forgo the CP on that lens though since I can have my 77 back once I get the 16-35mm.
You answered my question here regarding vignetting. Thanks! :)

[Thalagyrt]

ROFL!! :lol: You got me thinking James. Maybe I should start as a sith apprentice and get a D700. Then work my way up to a sith lord (D3s/D3x). ;) :)

Honestly, you're used to the 1Ds III. I'd just go for the D3s or a second hand D3 - the controls will make more sense to you. There are really only minor differences between the D700 and D3, but they're significant enough that I get confused for a few minutes if I pick up a D700/D300. The thing that'll trip you up the most is the zoom rings though! :lol:

If you're not sure you'll be sticking with it maybe picking up a used D3 for around $3000 would make more sense than a brand spankin' new D3s, because if you decide it isn't for you you can recoup more of your initial expenses.

[jacobsen1]

wow, that seems beyond me. I wish I'd seen yours FS.

yeah, me too, would have been nice to sell it on PotN...
it's not that bad really. If you don't want to hack a cap, rubber bands will also work. ;)

You mean the cap? I have an old outer pinch cap and it can't physically fit inside the hood and latch on properly unless I'm doing something wrong. I'll go try again! I do love the hood, that's how it should be on lenses like that!!
Hahah, the Lens mounts!

yeah, when I had the 85mm (over a weekend) the normal old lenscap could just snap into the inside of the hood. With the pinched parts pinches in, it juuuuust fit (they would stay in when in place).

That set up looks cool Jacob. I didn't know I was going to try Nikon until I finally made up my mind. :) So, what filters did you use on the Cokin holder? Will 4x6 filters work? And will it vignette? Thanks! :)

yeah, I see you read the second post, but just to be clear, it's X-pros which are 130mm x 170mm I think, and only made by cokin. You put the filter in the outer/second slot and put it so it almost touches the hood. With that setup there's no vignette at 14mm on FF (or 12mm with a 12-24mm siggy) unless you get crazy with a 45º angle or something. The only time I had vignette issues were when I accidentally put the filter in the inner slot, but that was a sunrise and the coffee hadn't kicked in yet. But you can use both slots around 16mm if you need to?

[jacobsen1]

oh, and I'm just going to throw this out there for you guys. I run newschoolofphotography.com. It's a small (~900 member) photo board that's NOT affiliated with any system. I obviously still post here (and on FM, dp, and cafe), but only when I have gear specific questions. You guys all seem like you'd be a good fit over there if you're interested:

http://newschoolofphotography.com/forum.php

we were originally a spin off of NASIOC (north america subaru impreza owners club) because they had 2 massive photo threads in their off topic section that didn't work well anymore. That forum owner didn't want a photo sub-forum so I spun off something for us. It's a fun young crowd that's a little more laid back and we try to avoid geeking out on gear too much.

[jdizzle]

Honestly, you're used to the 1Ds III. I'd just go for the D3s or a second hand D3 - the controls will make more sense to you. There are really only minor differences between the D700 and D3, but they're significant enough that I get confused for a few minutes if I pick up a D700/D300. The thing that'll trip you up the most is the zoom rings though! :lol:

If you're not sure you'll be sticking with it maybe picking up a used D3 for around $3000 would make more sense than a brand spankin' new D3s, because if you decide it isn't for you you can recoup more of your initial expenses.
Thanks James. You're freaking me out! ;) You're right. If I don't like it I can still recoup the expenses. Thanks buddy! :)

[Mr. Clean]

Hah! NASIOC...I'm Mr. Clean WA over there.

Man I think I have the strut clunk in my STi, or the wheel bearing nut issue. Friggin' drives me nuts.

Julian - I think you should take a hard look at the D700 unless yo ureally need video. The on board flash commander is the deal, plus it's really just a DIY D3 with sensor cleaning!

[jacobsen1]

Hah! NASIOC...I'm Mr. Clean WA over there.

Man I think I have the strut clunk in my STi, or the wheel bearing nut issue. Friggin' drives me nuts.

small world. I'm sure you can guess my username over there... ;)
I have a 2004 WRX sedan with ~135k on it. LOTS of issues. ;)

Julian - I think you should take a hard look at the D700 unless yo ureally need video. The on board flash commander is the deal, plus it's really just a DIY D3 with sensor cleaning!

I agree with the D700 unless you wait out the month to see about a D900 or D700s/x. Not sure what you need in terms of MP but they might surprise us. I LOVE the D700 though, everything I want from a 1 series crammed into a 5 series body with a 5 series sensor. The grip taking it to 8fps is just perfect.

[jdizzle]

yeah, I see you read the second post, but just to be clear, it's X-pros which are 130mm x 170mm I think, and only made by cokin. You put the filter in the outer/second slot and put it so it almost touches the hood. With that setup there's no vignette at 14mm on FF (or 12mm with a 12-24mm siggy) unless you get crazy with a 45º angle or something. The only time I had vignette issues were when I accidentally put the filter in the inner slot, but that was a sunrise and the coffee hadn't kicked in yet. But you can use both slots around 16mm if you need to?

I see what you mean Jacob. And thanks for pointing that out. :) Right now I use the Lee filter holder which has three standard slots. To reduce any vignetting, I removed the last spacer. This would then reduce the size of the filter slot to appoximately 1.5 mm. Singh Ray filters are 1.5mm thick as oppose to the Lee's which is 2mm. If you use this setup on the 16-35 f/4 VR, this shouldn't be an issue. :)

[Thalagyrt]

Thanks James. You're freaking me out! ;) You're right. If I don't like it I can still recoup the expenses. Thanks buddy! :)

Personally, I think if you do go for it and take some time to get used to it - put the Canon gear down for a few weeks and just use the D3/D3s - you'll end up sticking with it, but it's better to be safe. Besides, the D4 should be coming out in a year or so, and the D3s was really just a minor upgrade over the D3. It makes more sense to save the extra cash so you can more easily spring for a D4 later on if you do decide to become a sith lord! ;)

[jdizzle]

I agree with the D700 unless you wait out the month to see about a D900 or D700s/x. Not sure what you need in terms of MP but they might surprise us. I LOVE the D700 though, everything I want from a 1 series crammed into a 5 series body with a 5 series sensor. The grip taking it to 8fps is just perfect.
Do you think Nikon would make an equivalent of the D3x in a D700 body? That would be so awesome! :D Hoping...:)

[jdizzle]

Personally, I think if you do go for it and take some time to get used to it - put the Canon gear down for a few weeks and just use the D3/D3s - you'll end up sticking with it, but it's better to be safe. Besides, the D4 should be coming out in a year or so, and the D3s was really just a minor upgrade over the D3. It makes more sense to save the extra cash so you can more easily spring for a D4 later on if you do decide to become a sith lord! ;)
LOL! I'll definitely come to you to christen me with your dual light saber! :);)

[Thalagyrt]

Do you think Nikon would make an equivalent of the D3x in a D700 body? That would be so awesome! :D Hoping...:)

It would be nice, but so far there has been nothing but speculation. Historically they haven't made high resolution versions of the smaller bodies (there was no D200x, D100x, etc) so I wouldn't bet on it.

[Thalagyrt]

I should add, the biggest thing for me, coming from a 1 series I was considering the D700, but when I picked one up it just didn't feel right and so I put the idea off for a few months. When you saw me start talking about it in RRTP was after I'd picked up a pal's D3 and toyed with it... There's a noticeable difference in the bodies, and it may or may not make a difference to you, but it did make a difference to me. If you have a local store where you can go pick up a D700 and play with it, do it. It's definitely a cheaper alternative and the image quality is just as good. If it feels right then why not? :)

[jdizzle]

I should add, the biggest thing for me, coming from a 1 series I was considering the D700, but when I picked one up it just didn't feel right and so I put the idea off for a few months. When you saw me start talking about it in RRTP was after I'd picked up a pal's D3 and toyed with it... There's a noticeable difference in the bodies, and it may or may not make a difference to you, but it did make a difference to me. If you have a local store where you can go pick up a D700 and play with it, do it. It's definitely a cheaper alternative and the image quality is just as good. If it feels right then why not? :)
Good point James. :) The 1D series really feels nice in hand. I bet holding a D3/D3s would be the same. Decisions,decisions,decisions...:)

[jacobsen1]

Do you think Nikon would make an equivalent of the D3x in a D700 body? That would be so awesome! :D Hoping...:)
yes, I do think they'll make it. No, there were never D300x type bodies, but there were also no FF options at the time. They're definitely making something in this format, the question is will it be a D3s or D3x clone? My bet is D900 with 25mp and movies, very similar to canon's 5Dii and 1Dsiii pairing.

But it's been rumored forever. Some nikon pros have posted about it (vaguely). Some canon pros have posted about getting ready to move to it. But no one knows. I bought my D700 in September, and at the time I was expecting a new body before the end of the year. But I NEEDED a body then and couldn't really wait. Hind sight I'm thrilled I jumped on the end of the rebates as I've had the camera ~5+ months now. But in your shoes I'd wait for PMA though, as this is hinting at something new being announced:
http://nikonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/nikon-pma-2010.jpg

[jdizzle]

yes, I do think they'll make it. No, there were never D300x type bodies, but there were also no FF options at the time. They're definitely making something in this format, the question is will it be a D3s or D3x clone? My bet is D900 with 25mp and movies, very similar to canon's 5Dii and 1Dsiii pairing.

But it's been rumored forever. Some nikon pros have posted about it (vaguely). Some canon pros have posted about getting ready to move to it. But no one knows. I bought my D700 in September, and at the time I was expecting a new body before the end of the year. But I NEEDED a body then and couldn't really wait. Hind sight I'm thrilled I jumped on the end of the rebates as I've had the camera ~5+ months now. But in your shoes I'd wait for PMA though, as this is hinting at something new being announced:
http://nikonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/nikon-pma-2010.jpg
This would definitely be the ticket! :) I'm so drooling now! I guess I should just buy lenses and wait for the body. :D

[Mr. Clean]

Eh, whatever you buy now will just be your backup camera to whatever you buy then :D

Me, coming from a 1 series, I love the d700. It's built like a 1 series and even FEELS more solid.

[jdizzle]

Eh, whatever you buy now will just be your backup camera to whatever you buy then :D

Me, coming from a 1 series, I love the d700. It's built like a 1 series and even FEELS more solid.
I agree. But, I've been spoiled by the 1Ds III resolution. :)

[midnight_rider]

If they bring out a mini D3x I will be tempted to go back to Nikon. I really liked being able to use the old MF glass without an adapter. I also really liked having a 8 FPS FF cam. Their new 16-35mm f/4 VR looks very interesting too.

[jacobsen1]

yeah, some of my friends have asked if I'll upgrade. The D700 is pretty perfect for me. It's a 1Dii with a 5D sensor basically. I miss video but not the MP of the 5Dii. In practice my lenses have been enough sharper that printing large hasn't been effected. Hopefully that won't change with the 16-35mm or possibly 28-75 swap.... The wide is where I really care though and Nikon has yet to make a bad wide. If it's a 25mp FF beast that can also do video AND 8fps, then I'd want one eventually, but I'm in no rush. If it's just 25mp (no 8 fps) I'm not really interested except to rent one occasionally when clients NEED mp, but a nikon to eos adapter will get me the same result. If it's just a video update, I'd want that, but again, no rush. We've been using the GF1 more and more for what we want video for, and it's got 720p with a direct record button.

[Permagrin]

you know, I really learned my lesson with canon. I was 95% happy with the 5D. Then I upgraded to the 1-series thinking I'd be happier. I wasn't. I AM happy with the D700 so I'm going to use/own it until I'm not happy with it (which I cannot imagine happening) :lol: Frankly I'm tired of spending $ on gear. I'd rather spend it going places to take photos.

[Mr. Clean]

Touchdown1
MBD110, 24-70, 70-200 VRI.
Heh, everything but the camera is smaller than I expected. The camera + MBD10 is the real deal, the 24-70 seems impressivley sharp wide open, the 70-200 appears on par - slightly better - than the 70-200 2.8 IS. AF speed does not seem as fast as the Mark III + 70-200 however tracking is something else to test. The 24-70G + D700 appears to acquire AF faster.
One complaint. Why is there no place to mount your strap on the grip? Also, when moving back and forth between subjects lack in contrast, occasionally the camera does not re-AF. Perhaps I have a focus hunt turned off.
Canon moving sale coming up this weekend - but I think I will do a bit of side by side first just for arguements sake. At this point though, all the Canon gear is going.

[Permagrin]

Mike, I didn't like it that there was no place to mount the strap on the grip...bought the camdapter so I could use a handstrap.


Just read this from Rob Galbraith's 1DmkIV thread:

The D3S is an awesome basketball autofocus camera. From a higher level position with an AF-S VR NIKKOR 300mm f/2.8G IF-ED or AF-S NIKKOR 400mm f/2.8G ED VR on the front, we've shot games with the D3S (and D3 and D700) where the camera refuses to miss. From court level, with the new AF-S NIKKOR 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II attached, the number of in-focus frames has been higher than we've achieved with any other camera/lens combo ever. The EOS-1D Mark IV isn't in the same league as the D3S for this sport.

http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-10048-10484

he does talk about the nikon quirks too but that thread is pretty complimentary for a canon review.

[Mr. Clean]

The camdapter is a handstrap isn't it? I need something that threads into the tripod plate threads or something of the like.

I hope the AF speed of the VRI is up to par with the VRII. There's a few things that have shooed me away from the VRII...

I'm completely taking RG with a GOS :D But, still seems like a decent review. I do think he's being a tad hard on the Mark IV.

[Permagrin]

Thom Hogan said there was a barely discernable difference in AF speed btw vr1 & vr2 of the 70-200.

http://www.bythom.com/nikkor-70-200-VR-II-lens.htm

Autofocus: Same. I don't see any large scale differences between the old and new lens. The new lens may focus a trifle faster in a few situations, but both lenses are capable performers.



you can just get the adapter, you don't have to buy a handstrap
http://www.camdapter.com/product_standard_arca.html

edit: btw...I'm so torn btw. vr1 & 2 of the 70-200. I NEED 200mm close up. And I don't mind 80mm on the wide end. I'd like the sharpness of the new version in the corners but not at the expense of distance.

[Mr. Clean]

Thom Hogan said there was a barely discernable difference in AF speed btw vr1 & vr2 of the 70-200.

http://www.bythom.com/nikkor-70-200-VR-II-lens.htm

Autofocus: Same. I don't see any large scale differences between the old and new lens. The new lens may focus a trifle faster in a few situations, but both lenses are capable performers.



you can just get the adapter, you don't have to buy a handstrap
http://www.camdapter.com/product_standard_arca.html
I read that, I'm hoping it's true in real life!

WTF. No Manfrotto RC0 adapter? Frick! Thanks for the linky! I looked at their site and it wasn't apparent (IE, jumping out at me). I'm going to hunt for something a tad more cost effective - both plates won't mount on my tripod...

[Permagrin]

I read that, I'm hoping it's true in real life!

WTF. No Manfrotto RC0 adapter? Frick! Thanks for the linky! I looked at their site and it wasn't apparent (IE, jumping out at me). I'm going to hunt for something a tad more cost effective - both plates won't mount on my tripod...


I have an acratec tripod qr plate that I attach to the bottom of the arca swiss camdapter plate. I'm sure there's a better way but...:lol::lol:

[radiohead]

There's some concerns about the hood allowing flare...One of the guys on the Cafe is having issues. JonathanF2 or something like that. most of my shots aren't looking for a good edge ot edge sharpness and I like 200mm when focusing close so I figured the VRI would be a good place to start.

Side note, your Xmas picture is the one that pushed me for the 85mm 1.4.


I've seen that thread. Can't say I've seen it myself. It's a fabulous lens though.

Glad you like the 85/.4. :)

[Thalagyrt]

You know, that picture with the PMA2010 announcement... It looks more like a D3 type body than D700. It doesn't have the crack that would be a telltale sign of the popup flash. Then again it's marketing material, so who knows, but it looks more like a D3xs or something like that mayhaps? We'll see in a few weeks. :D

[radiohead]

Thom Hogan said there was a barely discernable difference in AF speed btw vr1 & vr2 of the 70-200.

http://www.bythom.com/nikkor-70-200-VR-II-lens.htm


I call it differently - the AF on the new model is a lot more confident. Maybe not quicker but it's more accurate.



edit: btw...I'm so torn btw. vr1 & 2 of the 70-200. I NEED 200mm close up. And I don't mind 80mm on the wide end. I'd like the sharpness of the new version in the corners but not at the expense of distance.

Now, I'd buy the VRII. I just haven't seen the focus breathing as an issue at all. I'm rarely closer that 10ft to my subject with a 70-200 anyway and the new lens beats the old all ends up - contrast, sharpness, handling, colour, AF speed and accuracy.

[Tortie]

Hello everyone. I didn't read all of the posts, but I hope you don't mind me joining in.

I recently got the "is the grass always greener on the other side" curiosity bug and instead of going for my next lens, I decided to pick up a D3000 and 18-55 VR to compare against my XTi.

The body arrived two days ago and with all of our east coast snow, the lens didn't show up until today. From what I've read, the D3000 is supposedly "the worst" dSLR that Nikon's come out with. Then why did I choose it? Well, I wanted the size of a Rebel and I didn't want the (now outdated) 3 AF points of the D40/D40x/D60. AF points are a big thing for me and when I learned the D3000 had the updated 11 points from the D90, I was all over it.

First impressions? I like it! Took a little time getting used to the menus and how to change settings but after that, it was basically a breeze. I LOVE that default while in the "info" menu, the round directional pad is used to change the AF points. It's so much more convenient than my XTi (pushing the button, then choosing the point). Also, I LOVE the AF 3D tracking. Now, if I choose to focus and recompose, it actually KEEPS MY SUBJECT IN FOCUS (as it follows to a different AF point)! Amazing, IMO. So far also, the auto WB is a bit more "true to life" than on my XTi. I'm also pleasantly surprised with the 18-55 VR. I don't know if I got an exceptional copy but all of my images are sharp! Definitely a plus in my book. I've been struggling with my XTi (even since I've upgraded my 18-55 non-IS to the Sigma 18-50 2.8 Macro) to get sharp images. I don't know if it's the D3000, 18-55 VR, or both together, that's helping in that aspect.

The only thing so far that I've noticed is that when I take a shot, it takes a couple of seconds to transfer to the SD card. I took it outside and used continuous shooting (following my running dog) and while the pictures came out great, it was only able to take about 12 pictures (give or take, I may be way off) before the shooting stopped and it paused while the card-reading-light blinked. With my XTi, I can pretty much just hold the shutter button down as long as I'd like (taking who knows how many shots) and then as soon as I take my finger off, it's ready to go again.

With all of that said, I never had any problems with my XTi. I don't really have any gripes with it. I just wanted to try something new and I've always wondered what it would have been like to start out with Nikon. As of right now, I'm not sure which camera I'll keep but I am very much impressed with the AF system of the Nikon.

[Mr. Clean]

Right on Tortie! In my experience, you need to spend huge money on SD cards to get a decent write time. Write time to SD cards is TERRIBLE.

I too am impressed with Nikons AF. So far, the D700 is one I can trust in AI servo even in static situations! It's a world different than your XTi. In my opinion, those older rebels are pretty tough to trust AF accuracy but they're good cameras.I call it differently - the AF on the new model is a lot more confident. Maybe not quicker but it's more accurate.



Now, I'd buy the VRII. I just haven't seen the focus breathing as an issue at all. I'm rarely closer that 10ft to my subject with a 70-200 anyway and the new lens beats the old all ends up - contrast, sharpness, handling, colour, AF speed and accuracy.
Guy, you jacka$$, if I end up upgrading because of you I'm going to bill you.

[Tortie]

Right on Tortie! In my experience, you need to spend huge money on SD cards to get a decent write time. Write time to SD cards is TERRIBLE.

I too am impressed with Nikons AF. So far, the D700 is one I can trust in AI servo even in static situations! It's a world different than your XTi. In my opinion, those older rebels are pretty tough to trust AF accuracy but they're good cameras.
Thanks! That first sentence made me feel so much better about trying out a new camera. :D

That is one thing that I would've liked the D3000 to use, CF cards. I feel they're a little more durable (physically and write-ability wise). I'm a fan of Lexar and since I've got one of their 233x CF cards, I decided to go for their 133x SD card. I suppose the write time could be worse, it just is noticeably slower than my XTi.

I can never use AI Servo on my XTi. Every shot comes out either completely blurry or focused on the wrong point. I thought it was me (still very well could be) but either way, it's unusable to me. I also like Nikon's AF-C (auto, I believe?) option. Amazes me how accurate it is.

EDIT: And.. I might have just found out why it was so slow to write to the SD card. I was experimenting with the D-Lighting feature and forgot to turn it off before I went outside. Probably the reason it took so long, ha.

[Mr. Clean]

Hey lookie here for bottom of the camera/grip strap mounting option for cheap

http://www.blackrapid.com/product/hardware/fastenr/

[midnight_rider]

Hey lookie here for bottom of the camera/grip strap mounting option for cheap

http://www.blackrapid.com/product/hardware/fastenr/

I do not really trust those. I had one almost drop a 1d2 with a 100-400 on it. Maybe I had to much weight but I have never had an issue with my manfrotto QR plate.

[Mr. Clean]

I do not really trust those. I had one almost drop a 1d2 with a 100-400 on it. Maybe I had to much weight but I have never had an issue with my manfrotto QR plate.
Good point, good first hand knowledge. Enough for me to avoid it. I was thinking about popping the D-ring out and put a heavy duty key chain ring on it. I'll have to see if my QR plates have strap mount points...

[jacobsen1]

Mike, get a RRS plate for the camera. If you don't use tripods a lot, get the flat plate for the bottom. But it gives you acra compatibility AND a lug for a strap in a very slim profile. Bonus points if you go L-bracket, you won't regret it if you use your tripod at all. I regret not getting one sooner honestly.

[jdizzle]

You know, that picture with the PMA2010 announcement... It looks more like a D3 type body than D700. It doesn't have the crack that would be a telltale sign of the popup flash. Then again it's marketing material, so who knows, but it looks more like a D3xs or something like that mayhaps? We'll see in a few weeks. :D
Sounds good to me. I can wait a few more weeks. :D

[Mr. Clean]

Mike, get a RRS plate for the camera. If you don't use tripods a lot, get the flat plate for the bottom. But it gives you acra compatibility AND a lug for a strap in a very slim profile. Bonus points if you go L-bracket, you won't regret it if you use your tripod at all. I regret not getting one sooner honestly.

Will that work in conjunction with my Manfrotto RC0 plates? I've used Bogen/Manfrotto for so long I honestly don't know crap about any other company.

Oh yeah...And that 24-70G? RIDICULOUS. Holy crap. Yes, I'm floored.

[jacobsen1]

^ no, get a damn clamp worth a damn, you'll be glad you did. ;) (you can retro fit your current head)

and yeah, the 24-70G is epic. It's sad though, I'm considering selling mine to fund the 24mm... :confused: I'd buy it back when I could, but yeah, it might go for a while.... (how I use it I don't need the awesome AF)

[radiohead]

Guy, you jacka$$, if I end up upgrading because of you I'm going to bill you.

bw!

[jdizzle]

Let's speculate for a moment here guys and gals. :) If Nikon releases this so called 25 megapixel body a.k.a. D900, what do you guys think it'll cost?

[radiohead]

UK price - about £200 million.

US price - about fifty dollars

[jdizzle]

UK price - about £200 million.

US price - about fifty dollars
For the UK, it sounds about right. ;):)

[Mr. Clean]

Thanks Ben - Man, I gotta stick to another option or just deal with it. A new plate and L bracket is going to run 300, plus whatever software I shoose for the NEF file...It'd be too much at this point.
So I did more OCF playing last night. I swear, if you use flash at all, the D700 is the system to go with. I'm going to break out the lightstands this weekend and toss together a little product softbox for taking pictures of the camera gear. I'm assuming since it's indoors everything will work fine but it will be interesting to experiment first before I get in trouble later.
The auto ISO/minimum shutter speed is the real deal too. I had it set up to minimum shutter speed 1/50 and auto ISO on. On one of the flash pics I forgot to pop up the internal flash but the picture still was usable because the camera upped the ISO to compensate.
I want to do some side by side 5DII 24-70 vs D700 24-70 this weekend. Use the sRAW1 file size to see how they compare. My gut says the Nikon looks sharper at 100% than the 5DII by a bit but I'd like to look side by side and make sure the Nikons sharpening isn't considerbly more SOOC.
I wanted to do Mark III 70-200 vs D700 70-200 tests this weekend too but I don't think I'll have my Mark III back today.
Oh yeah - and the 8fps is the real deal too :D AND I notice very good servo AF performance on static objects.

[jacobsen1]

get LR. It's cheap anyway (edu discount).

as for comparing heads up, I've done it NEF to 21mp RAW. The 5Dii looks softer head to head, but once you resize it wins at 12mp. The D700 is actually closer resed up to 21 and it was with the 5Dii down to 12... But that was with a 24L -vs- siggy 24mm. The nikkor 24-70 is MUCH sharper so that should help your cause.

I got the tamron 28-75 today. It AFs pretty quick but the real shock is how TINY it is. MUCH smaller/lighter -vs- the G... I'm talking 17-40 size practically (but thick the whole length). Decent build too. I like it a lot more than I thought I would, so if it's IQ holds up this plan for the 24mm could work...

[Permagrin]

Ben, my husband uses the tamron. Even though we have the nikon 24-70 and had the canon 24-70 & 24-105, he's always bought that little tamron for himself. He likes that it's lightweight, likes the almost macro capability on it. It's sharp enough wide open and has very nice bokeh. It's only flaws seem to be that it hunts a bit in low light & is noisier. (not that that is an issue for us).


Mike, glad you are enjoying your new gear. I KNEW you'd be happy with the 24-70.

[Mr. Clean]

Yeah I don't know if I'm too anal or what but I'm studying the files and the reviews and the output of NX2 has better detail. But I don't know if I should even care. I'll keep playing with both the trial versions of Lr3 and NX2 and maybe go from there. I am going to miss DPP though. I love that program, very intuitive, and gets the quick and dirty stuff done easy and fast.

Eh, I don't know if I'm even going to bother anymore. F the head to head crap. It really doesn't matter anyways as I'm a Nikon customer forever at this point. I'm going to just shoot my gear and post it in the morning. The only thing that makes me want to shoot head to head is to give some good samples from a person who owns both systems.

Hey right on! Wow I'm shocked it's that small! I think you'll be happy with it, the price is right for something that's used every once in a while and the IQ is pretty damned good.
That's been discussed already but I'm sure everyone appreciates your input.

[tommykjensen]

i dont see the point of this... surely people with those cameras can go to more dedicated forums.

That is not for You to decide. If you do not like the subject then do NOT read it and certainly do NOT post such comments.

If you have any further comments send them in PM.

[puddlepirate44]

Ben, my husband uses the tamron. Even though we have the nikon 24-70 and had the canon 24-70 & 24-105, he's always bought that little tamron for himself. He likes that it's lightweight, likes the almost macro capability on it. It's sharp enough wide open and has very nice bokeh. It's only flaws seem to be that it hunts a bit in low light & is noisier. (not that that is an issue for us).


Mike, glad you are enjoying your new gear. I KNEW you'd be happy with the 24-70.

^^That. (I'm the husband in the aforementioned post). The Tammy 28-75 f/2.8 is a great little walkaround lens. I've used it many times in wedding shoots with no issue. I had the Canon 24-70 for a while and, while it's a great lens to be sure, there are things that the Tammy can do that the Canon could not. I'm sure there's some vice versa, too, but, for me, the Tammy is a keeper.

[Mr. Clean]

(I'm the husband in the aforementioned post).
:wink:
Hi husband!

Man! 87324 posts between you two!!! :eek::eek::eek::eek:

[puddlepirate44]

:wink:
Hi husband!

Man! 87324 posts between you two!!! :eek::eek::eek::eek:

Hi Mike. Glad you like the camera. It's a sweet machine. :D

[Mr. Clean]

Hi Mike. Glad you like the camera. It's a sweet machine. :D
Yes! So far it's looking like the best all arounder I've owned. Many thanks for that. Holler if you are up in the Olympia area, I figure I owe ya a beer/coffee/whiskey/wine ;)

[puddlepirate44]

Yes! So far it's looking like the best all arounder I've owned. Many thanks for that. Holler if you are up in the Olympia area, I figure I owe ya a beer/coffee/whiskey/wine ;)

Love to. It's been a while since we've just gone up there for fun and fotos. I'd love to hit Pike Place next Summer, maybe then.

[jdizzle]

I keep seeing Nikon D3's on FM for sale. I want to jump on them but, I wanna wait to see what's announced on PMA 2010. Argh! :)

[Thalagyrt]

I keep seeing Nikon D3's on FM for sale. I want to jump on them but, I wanna wait to see what's announced on PMA 2010. Argh! :)

Patience, my young padawan.

Wait, wrong side of the force. Doh! :D

[Mr. Clean]

I keep seeing Nikon D3's on FM for sale. I want to jump on them but, I wanna wait to see what's announced on PMA 2010. Argh! :)

Patience, my young padawan.
Wait, wrong side of the force. Doh! :D
Exactly.
Just do it! It'll be your back up camera. Dizzle! Take your weapon. Strike me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!
:eek:

I though this shot is neat. I was amazed at the first Nikon lens I got. They're very petite, not manly like the Canon ones! The 85 1.4 is barely bigger than the 85 1.8! And look at the girth on the Brick in comparison!

[jdizzle]

Patience, my young padawan.

Wait, wrong side of the force. Doh! :D
Your suppose to say my young sith apprentice!! :);)

[jdizzle]

Exactly.
Just do it! It'll be your back up camera. Dizzle! Take your weapon. Strike me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!
:eek:

I though this shot is neat. I was amazed at the first Nikon lens I got. They're very petite, not manly like the Canon ones! The 85 1.4 is barely bigger than the 85 1.8! And look at the girth on the Brick in comparison!
Haha! That lens lineup is sweet! Thanks for posting that. :D

[Thalagyrt]

Your suppose to say my young sith apprentice!! :);)

Patience, my young Sith apprentice! :D

Actually though, in all reality I probably should be your apprentice. You're one hell of an artist my friend! ;)

[jdizzle]

Patience, my young Sith apprentice! :D

Actually though, in all reality I probably should be your apprentice. You're one hell of an artist my friend! ;)
Haha! :) I appreciate the kind words. :o I just wish I had the talent to shoot sports. I couldn't shoot a moving car! :oops:

[DStanic]

I'm trying to sell my Rebel XTi. I have someone interested (a student) and he has a Nikon D60 (with kit lens) and has offered to trade for my Canon because that is what they will be using in his school or something.

Is a XTi for D60 trade worth it? (I'll need to find a kit lens for my camera for the trade)

I would rather have money (selling the XTi because I just bought the 20D) however the thought of playing with a Nikon and comparing the differences is an enticing thought.. If I could sell the D60 and get the same or more then my XTi perhaps it would be worth it.

thoughts?

[Thalagyrt]

I'd think they're about equal in value currently, though I may be wrong... Just make sure that you only pick up AF-S or AF-I lenses if you decide to toy with it as it doesn't have a focus motor. To be honest, Nikon's entry line cameras are really gimped - if you're in that line Canon's absolutely better, no contest, and you'll likely end up with a sour taste in your mouth from the entry level Nikon experience as you won't be able to use the majority of the good lenses. When you start getting into higher end (D90/D300/D700 vs 50D/7D/5D2) and especially the pro lines (D3s vs 1D4) is when it really becomes a matter of what suits your needs the best.

[DStanic]

I'd think they're about equal in value currently, though I may be wrong... Just make sure that you only pick up AF-S or AF-I lenses if you decide to toy with it as it doesn't have a focus motor. To be honest, Nikon's entry line cameras are really gimped - if you're in that line Canon's absolutely better, no contest, and you'll likely end up with a sour taste in your mouth from the entry level Nikon experience as you won't be able to use the majority of the good lenses. When you start getting into higher end (D90/D300/D700 vs 50D/7D/5D2) and especially the pro lines (D3s vs 1D4) is when it really becomes a matter of what suits your needs the best.

I would just be playing with the kit lens.. too much invested in Canon. :) Unless I were to fall in love with the Nikon for some reason- I would be selling it anyways and getting a D300 or something. But it's unlikely I'll stray from Canon anytime soon.

[Thalagyrt]

I would just be playing with the kit lens.. too much invested in Canon. :) Unless I were to fall in love with the Nikon for some reason- I would be selling it anyways and getting a D300 or something. But it's unlikely I'll stray from Canon anytime soon.

Haha, that's what I get for not looking at your sig. Well if you just want to toy with it go for it - but don't take it for what the experience will be like in the higher end bodies. Even D90->D300 is a huge leap in terms of usability, and you're talking about something pretty much two levels below the D90.

[Mr. Clean]

35mm f2
http://www.echoesphotographic.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/MKM1162.jpg

[Mr. Clean]

85 mm 1point 4
http://www.echoesphotographic.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/MKM1122.jpg

[Mr. Clean]

through NX2 - still trying to figure this thing out...
70-200 2.8 VR one

http://www.echoesphotographic.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/MKM11421.jpg

[Absolutely Fabulous]

this is an interesting read, I may finally go try that D700! I'm tired of the hit or miss I'm getting now

[Mr. Clean]

I'm thinking Windows - IE - must add a color profile or something. The stuff I post looks more saturated on the jpg and browser window than it does in View NX or Capture NX...

[jdizzle]

^ The pics look fine to me Mike.

[jdizzle]

http://nikonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/nikon-pma-2010.jpg
I keep analyzing this Nikon image. It's making me think that there's a 25 megapixel sensor in there! :)

[Mr. Clean]

^ The pics look fine to me Mike.
I don't know what it is, the output JPEG always looks different than what it does within the editor DPP/ACR/CS4/NX etc...
Drives me batty
I keep analyzing this Nikon image. It's making me think that there's a 25 megapixel sensor in there!
Maybe 21 :D

[Permagrin]

Mike, are you shooting jpg or raw? And is your output set to srgb? (it should be). That will stop all the discrepancies.

I especially liked the 85 shot. She looks like she's in the same room, that's how crisp it is.

[René Damkot]

I'm thinking Windows - IE - must add a color profile or something. The stuff I post looks more saturated on the jpg and browser window than it does in View NX or Capture NX...
Your color management is set up way wrong:

Your last image ("through NX2")
http://img.skitch.com/20100214-ncgadrr9h22axduc1tn6huh2xh.jpg

Never use your monitor profile anywhere except in the OS. Certainly not as a working space.

If your image looks different in IE (which is not color managed) then in View NX and Capture NX, then likely those are set wrong as well.

Have a read in the link from my sig.

[René Damkot]

I have an acratec tripod qr plate that I attach to the bottom of the arca swiss camdapter plate. I'm sure there's a better way but...:lol::lol:

Yeah. Use an Arca Style clamp ;)

Better yet:

http://reallyrightstuff.com/rrs/Itemdesc.asp?ic=BD700%2DL&eq=BD700L%2D001&Tp=

[Mr. Clean]

Mike, are you shooting jpg or raw? And is your output set to srgb? (it should be). That will stop all the discrepancies.

I especially liked the 85 shot. She looks like she's in the same room, that's how crisp it is.
Raw, Adobe RGB. I have always shot sRGB but wanted to see if the prints were better SOOC - but I guess is doesn't matter since I edit prior to printing anyway.

The 85 shot is almost TOO sharp!
Your color management is set up way wrong:

Your last image ("through NX2")
http://img.skitch.com/20100214-ncgadrr9h22axduc1tn6huh2xh.jpg

Never use your monitor profile anywhere except in the OS. Certainly not as a working space.

If your image looks different in IE (which is not color managed) then in View NX and Capture NX, then likely those are set wrong as well.

Have a read in the link from my sig.
I'll read it again, I read it ages ago Rene - thank you. If it's ok, I may PM you for some additional help.
Yeah. Use an Arca Style clamp ;)

Better yet:

http://reallyrightstuff.com/rrs/Itemdesc.asp?ic=BD700%2DL&eq=BD700L%2D001&Tp=
You guys are trying to make me broke. I might go with a RRS mounting plate but I don't know, I dislike the feel of the plate/L brackets on the camera.