Rebel T2i Announced.

[sambcha]

Features at a glance:
18 Megapixel APS-C CMOS sensor
DIGIC 4 processor with ISO 100-6400 (Expansion to 12800)
Continuous shooting at 3.7fps
Full HD movie recording with manual control and selectable frame rates
7.7cm (3.0”) 3:2 Clear View LCD with 1,040k dots
iFCL metering System with 63-zone Dual-layer Metering Sensor
Quick Control screen to change shooting settings
Exposure compensation +/-5 stops.
Select maximum value for Auto ISO
External Microphone socket
Movie crop function
Eye-Fi connected functions compatibility


http://www.canonrumors.com/

[funlovincamera]

Yeah, it looks pretty sweet to me. As I posted in another thread, it seems to share a lot of 7D similarities (similar sensor, similar metering, full 1080 HD video, input connection for microphone, in-camera copyright information, etc). Also, the 550D apparently gets a huge boost in (usable) ISO.

Nice informative preview here: http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canoneos550d/

[naiirb]

Another increase in MP? I Wish they would focus on higher iso perfomance rather than just jacking up the MP.

[funlovincamera]

Another increase in MP? I Wish they would focus on higher iso perfomance rather than just jacking up the MP.

I agree 100%. Supposedly this one has ISO 6400 (expandable to 12800)... we'll have to wait for reviews to see how usable they are.

[TCOMC]

This is kind of a let down. I just bought my T1i not even three weeks ago. I'd love to have that mic input.. :confused: I didn't even bother to look at Canon product cycles before I bought the camera.

[jdang307]

Where did you buy. Can you return it? But why bother, unless you're dying for the new features. You have a good camera now, today. The 550D might not hit shelves for weeks.

[jdang307]

Ain't that something, better video formats then the 5dMkii.

[MrWho]

I do have to say I'm kind of left speechless with the new announcement. Usually the Rebel line was just incrimental steps up in features and technology but this is starting to look like a 7D lite of sorts, and unless I'm mistaken, this is something with more features than the D5000 (sans intervalometer) especially with the new EC options which are really the best of both Canon and Noink put together in one body. Also with the new body, it looks like Canon stopped somewhere inbetween a Rebel body and XXD body but just decided to skip the top LCD, FPS, and weather sealing.

I'm pretty sure that in reality there won't be too much of a difference in actual shooting, but it's a bit of a bitter pill to swallow seeing so much innovation come along not even 5 months after buying the same model.

[Robaccomando]

yeah, I just bought my t1i on Jan 15th. :confused:

[GCGuy]

Ain't that something, better video formats then the 5dMkii.

... yeah, not feeling the love here either

they'll just have to come out with an improved 5D and try to convince us all it's a good idea to spend another $2700 for a new body :P

[enrigonz]

This is technology, nothing new, buy today, enjoy, and save for tomorrow cause it's coming, newer bigger, better and lots more exciting! It never fails, it's always been like this for computers and todays SLRs are mostly that, a circuit board with a CPU, sensors, memory, etc.

[ni$mo350]

Although I picked up my T1i on 12/26 I find myself content with it. I know as soon as I pick up a T2i there will be talks for the bigger/better and I don't want to play that game. I'm more than happy with it and the next body upgrade should only be to a FF. Just my $.02 of course.

[sanjeedbd]

Canon's mania for high pixel count seems to be a chronic problem. They are not that concerned about IQ and good ISO performance. It won't be long before they lose their appeal and market share to competitors as enthusiasts already know high pixel counts don't produce good images. Fewer numbers mean bigger pixels and bigger pixels produce cleaner images.

And for good usable video performance at least a camcorder is a must. The Canon camcorder sellers will testify that.

[TCOMC]

The reason I'm not content is because I was looking for a camcorder with a mic input and as others put it, it would kill two birds with one stone. I don't see a seperate camcorder, along with my T1i, as a feasible option because I only use the video feature to record my practice presentations. If the T1i had a mic input, I would not be second guessing my decision.

[ni$mo350]

The reason I'm not content is because I was looking for a camcorder with a mic input and as others put it, it would kill two birds with one stone. I don't see a seperate camcorder, along with my T1i, as a feasible option because I only use the video feature to record my practice presentations. If the T1i had a mic input, I would not be second guessing my decision.

Sorry, response wasn't aimed at you but more of a general thing. Some of us will have our specific reasons to upgrade to it but most of us will be content with the T1i and it's features.

[ferretkingdom]

Since the better video is not a big deal for me, I'm really not impressed by the T2i. I like my T1i and don't feel like I'm missing out on anything. I'm gonna hold our for a 5D for the Full frame or something like the 7D for the higher FPS. Chances are I won't end up getting anything new for years, until I can afford the newest 1 series camera! :)

[preveen]

Tempting, but I'll pass for something with a second clickwheel. The most tempting thing is actually the metering and the 5 stop exposure compensation.

[Lelin]

Still hoping for a 60D...

[Invertalon]

I love how people do nothing but complain about more MP, yet Canon's ISO performance is great.

7D is *VERY* usable at 6400, and that is a crammed 18MP sensor. It is a one-stop increase, at least, over the T1i's ISO performance on a 15MP sensor. The T1i was an improvement over the XSI's 12MP sensor. Yeah, I DEFINATLY see the trend here of higher MP, worse noise...

If you can increase ISO usability, AND increase MP, why the hell not?

"Damn, I had to crop 20% of my photo today. And look, I can still print an 10x8 with great resolution! Stupid Canon!"

I think the high MP/bad ISO performance "argument" is foolish anymore... Get off the bandwagon!

[hawk911]

the video is still limited to 13 minute segments, right? It hardly replaces a video camera.

[Kiwikat]

This thing is ridiculously priced. For another hundred dollars or so you could get a brand new 50D...

The T2i's price better drop rapidly. It is easily 100-150 dollars overpriced, imho.

[Karl Johnston]

I wish they would stop dealing these gimmicky cameras and work on some real updates to real photographers, not just gear heads and soccer moms. I almost want to switch over to Nikon because their developments actually mean real upgrades.

[ferretkingdom]

I wish they would stop dealing these gimmicky cameras and work on some real updates to real photographers, not just gear heads and soccer moms. I almost want to switch over to Nikon because their developments actually mean real upgrades.

So switch, LOL. There must be some reason you still shoot Canon and not Nikon

[sanjeedbd]

If my Canon lenses could be mounted on Nikon bodies; I would get one Nikon body today. Nikon bodies are aimed at users' needs and perform better. I'm in full agreement that Canon lenses are supreme for their quality, variety and price competitiveness. Sorry, the bodies are not.

[Persephone]

Canon's mania for high pixel count seems to be a chronic problem. They are not that concerned about IQ and good ISO performance. It won't be long before they lose their appeal and market share to competitors as enthusiasts already know high pixel counts don't produce good images. Fewer numbers mean bigger pixels and bigger pixels produce cleaner images.

And for good usable video performance at least a camcorder is a must. The Canon camcorder sellers will testify that.

It's the Rebel line. This line has to pander more to the consumer than the higher lines, which includes upping the MPs. In fact, the Rebel line actually outpaced the xxD line for a bit, the XSi having more MP than the 40D. Then the 50D and T1I had 15 MP. The T2I means that the 60D, and I'm 95% sure, will also have 18 MP.

But I am heartened that the T2I has the full array of video options now.

[Er1kksen]

I love how people do nothing but complain about more MP, yet Canon's ISO performance is great.

7D is *VERY* usable at 6400, and that is a crammed 18MP sensor. It is a one-stop increase, at least, over the T1i's ISO performance on a 15MP sensor. The T1i was an improvement over the XSI's 12MP sensor. Yeah, I DEFINATLY see the trend here of higher MP, worse noise...

If you can increase ISO usability, AND increase MP, why the hell not?

"Damn, I had to crop 20% of my photo today. And look, I can still print an 10x8 with great resolution! Stupid Canon!"

I think the high MP/bad ISO performance "argument" is foolish anymore... Get off the bandwagon!

Let them drink their kool-aid. Those of us who are ready to take advantage of a higher-performance sensor can do so at a much more affordable price now that the 550D is out, and the rest will come to it as soon as the "awful performance of the crammed-in pixels" in the 20+mp APS-C sensors we'll see in a few years makes them forget how "horrible" these 18mp are... heck, they might even notice that it somehow produces better prints than their old low-density xTis and xSis...

Canon knows what they're doing. And they'll continue to do so, to our benefit. :)

[heartsdales]

I wonder how much it will costs...

[Er1kksen]

I wonder how much it will costs...

No need to wonder, just look at the stated pricing on the press releases. $799 body-only to start off, $899 kit, and you can expect prices to come down by $100 or so within a month. After that it really depends on the market.

[PIXmantra]

I think the high MP/bad ISO performance "argument" is foolish anymore... Get off the bandwagon!

...The problem with this approach is how much quieter the sensor has to be, and the proportional gains in deep-darks vs. the proportional LOSS of full-well (e.g. max light-gathering capabilities, which has a dramatic impact on dynamic range, and how intense "light" is handled by the sensels). The gains of on the bottom move at a certain "speed" and the loss at the top moves at another "speed", as we continue to shrink the sensels, and work on the manufacturing process and technology.

There very good samples of what happens when you start going too far. And, at ISo6400, the 7D has been already maxed out... and these issues DO NOT necessarily show (conversely to popular and conventional street belief) as resolution-loss, etc. They appear in the forme of CRIPPLED tonality, a sense of "dryness/opaqueness", visible loss of "shine-factor" and and overall "recessed" tonality and color density... which transfers the image a sort of point-and-shoot feel, regardless of the RAW conversion process you use (it will not matter which!). These issues only complicate matters even further, especially when you move to terminal Noise Reduction, at the end of the workflow, where you already need as much fidelity and color saturation as possible, in order to survive the proportionally stronger noise-reduction levels that you will need in order to remove any objectionable components and spectra, either at at 50%-size view or in paper.

Here's an example of the 1D MarkIII (left) and the 7D (right), neck-to-neck, at ISo6400 and the difference is already obvious (putting aside the massive destruction of red-channel detail by DiGiCIV which we will not address in this comparison):

http://www.pbase.com/feharmat/image/121362536/original (global view)
http://www.pbase.com/feharmat/image/121362515/original
http://www.pbase.com/feharmat/image/121362519/original
http://www.pbase.com/feharmat/image/121362523/original
http://www.pbase.com/feharmat/image/121362526/original
http://www.pbase.com/feharmat/image/121362531/original

What you see in the first link (global view, opaqueness/dryness/loss of tonal/chroma response on 7D) I also see on the 1D MarkIII... only when I push its files to ISO25,600ec (!)

Cheers,

PIX

[Er1kksen]

I see nothing to suggest that that effect is not simply the effect of stronger NR being used to counteract the 7D's slightly higher image noise (to be expected from a smaller sensor) and the fact that the 7D image is viewed at a significantly higher magnification, for whatever reason. Either way, let's not forget that these are JPEGs. This comparison says more about Canon's jpeg engines than it does about the sensor output.

Beyond that, you're comparing two same-generation sensors with different sizes. Of course the larger sensor is going to have better imaging characteristics; it's enlarged less for the same output size. The claim many are making here is that the 7D/T2i's higher pixel density will give it worse imaging characteristics than previous-gen sensors with lower pixel density. This is quite simply not true, as can be seen by comparing files at equal output sizes. The comparison you have posted just isn't really relevant.

Also, for what it's worth, the sensor with the most "CRIPPLED tonality, a sense of "dryness/opaqueness", visible loss of "shine-factor" and and overall "recessed" tonality and color density" in its RAW files that I've ever used was the 40D. The best, in that sense, was the higher-density Pentax K20D, and the Pentax K-x interestingly falls somewhere between the two. Not a big deal to me, RAW files aren't supposed to look vivid, and proper processing can get excellent, satisfying images out of any of these sensors. What the initial RAW files look like is not terribly important, I don't know anyone who shoots RAW and then posts unchanged default jpeg conversions. The final jpegs (or prints) that result from the RAW file as interpreted by the artist are what truly matters.

[banpreso]

it's 10 more MP than my rebel xt, which doesn't mean my xt instantly takes worse pictures than it used to before the t2i was annouced :p

all these features are great if you're in the market, but still, it's just a tool. our skills need to be there to take good pictures regardless.

besides, i'd take a 5D classic over this anyday.

but it it exciting tho... what's next? 20+ MP in a xxxD crop? crazy crazy

[sanjeedbd]

Bumping up the MPs in crop bodies seems to be never ending pursuit of Canon. Probably we'll see 30 MPs in crop bodies within a couple of years or so.

Hope they don't destroy the full frame bodies same way.

[Er1kksen]

Bumping up the MPs in crop bodies seems to be never ending pursuit of Canon. Probably we'll see 30 MPs in crop bodies within a couple of years or so.

Hope they don't destroy the full frame bodies same way.

Yes, 30+mp crop bodies delivering linearly downsampled RAW files that deliver higher image quality than you though possible from a crop sensor. :p